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| 59.1 | JC's | SMURF::AMATO | | Tue Jun 28 1988 10:13 | 13 |
| Fred
I've been researching the JC this past year, and have gathered some
good information. I've got the names of 2 people that'll customize
the boat to your specs from the bare hull on up. Most of the people
that I've talked to feel that the JC is a very well built boat.
I think that I'll be going with a JC, when I can ever afford to
move up. There are only 2 problems that I've found with the JC.
Speed, and handling in a following sea. These problems are found
in any full keel boats anyway. Give me a call if you'ld like the
names or any other info.
Joe A.
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| 59.2 | Good Ariticle in "THE FISHERMAN" JC35 | CAD::BROPHY | | Tue Jun 28 1988 11:00 | 12 |
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"The Fisherman" magazine recently had a very good write up on the
JC 35, The author of the article had nothing but high praise for
the boat. In Fact got me intersted enough to write to JC for a copy
of thier sales literature., I will try and find my copy of the article
and will send copies to anyone interested, I believe it was the
June 2nd- 8th issue.
Mike Brophy
FASTAH::BROPHY
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| 59.3 | JC=Big Buck + Quality | TOOK::SWEET | Capt Codfish...Looking for Mr. Tuna | Tue Jun 28 1988 11:23 | 7 |
| As I think Joe found out, JC boats are not Cheap, the low end 26
foot starts around 45K with gas. I think the 31 with a cat turbo
will run around 90k or so.
Just wanted to make sure your dreams we in the right neiborhood.
Bruce (Who has seen some beatiful JC's on the high seas)
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| 59.4 | JC 35 NG | SMURF::AMATO | | Tue Jun 28 1988 12:43 | 7 |
| The 32 casco bay will run into the 100's. I spoke to people that
work on and with the JC 35, and that review is totally misleading.
The 35 is not a good boat at all. The handling is horrendous,
especially in a following sea. The 31' JC is an excellent boat,
the 26' JC is a good boat. They tried to take a 31 and add 4' to
it to make the 35, but it didn't work out well at all. Best bet
is the JC 31, for handling, room, range, and comfort.
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| 59.5 | need twins on the 31 | TOOK::SWEET | Capt Codfish...Looking for Mr. Tuna | Tue Jun 28 1988 14:26 | 5 |
| ALso I know someone that has the 31 with the cat and it is too slow.
Only does about 16 knots. You need twins to power that baby right
Bruce
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| 59.6 | MADE IN THE U.S.A. | AD::GIBSON | | Tue Jun 28 1988 14:49 | 31 |
| It's not a J.C. but neather is the price. I have an ALURA 30 that
I just bought this spring. It handles very well, Even in a following
sea (25 ft + and breaking) it does not shake ones confidance.
Yes it is slow at only 18 kts with a 270 pleasurcraft gas. A desil
would be a bit faster but more expensive.
I requested Amstrong brackets and twin 200 hp outboards but the
factory won't yet set them up that way. Maybe next year?
The Alura has much more cabin space than the J.C. and is just as
Classic looking.
Options I had to have.
1) Fresh water cooling.
2) Dive platform.
3) Custom full canvas ( Sunbrella) . Factory vinyl is junk.
4) pulpit ( Standard on new 88's) option on older < 87's
The addition of a marlin tower would round out the boat perfectly.
And I'm adding a 15 hp kicker as a trolling/backup.
If you want to know more about the boat, I might be able to talk
to the Yacht Dealers re: Price. Call me.
Walt Gibson
225-6501
P.S. I worked for J.C. doing cosmetics ( Glass work) in my younger
days as a temporary job. They are very well built!
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| 59.7 | | ABE::HASKELL | | Tue Jun 28 1988 15:13 | 19 |
| I live next to the man who founded the JC Boatworks Jack Caderio.
He builds a great boat that is very well made. It is very highly
regarded by commercial fishermen.
The 35 does not compare to the 31, the 31 being the very best.
The JCs are quite over priced (26 footer without the cabin finished
off was $38,000).
Like any name product, you pay for that name.
They are great boats, but way overpriced.
You can find used JC 31 in the National Fisherman from $35,000 to
$68,000.
Regards
Paul
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| 59.8 | Getting Good Info on JC 31 | WIPS::FSMITH | | Tue Jun 28 1988 21:27 | 16 |
| Thanks to all who have responded so far. All of the info is
appreciated. I know the price tag for the JC 31 is high, but the
quality seems to be there and I've decided that if I'm going to
make a move from my 23' Seaway, I'm going to get something that
will take the entire family (5 of us) for a weekend, will take most
any weather (including early and late season), and has the looks
that I want (Downeast styling).
I have also looked at the Cape Dory 28 and I've heard that Coastal
(laid up by Pearson) is going to make a 30 even though I haven't
seen one yet. Any other suggestions with this styling would be
appreciated. Keep those cards and letters coming. Thanks.
Fred Smith Who_just_told_his_family_"its_only_another_payment"
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| 59.9 | So many to choose from! | AD::GIBSON | | Wed Jun 29 1988 08:49 | 32 |
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5 for the weekend will be cozy on a 28-30 ftr.
The next wish boat for me is the Albin 34 from Cos Cob Ct.
This is a real classic styled boat that will take 6 people for a
weekend. It has fore and aft staterooms, 2 heads and a salon that
has berths.
I looked at the Albin 27 prior to buying my Alura 30 and felt it
was too small, The Grand Banks 28 is beautiful but the Albin 34
can be had for a few dollers more. The Cape dory 28 is also very
nice but over priced.
A rather nice boat also is the Alura 35 , More euro styled, but
tasteful without the high price of some other 35's . They ( Alura)
seem to put the quality into the hull and let the buyer outfit all
the little things. ie: rod holders, rod racks, dish tracks, chart
racks, wash downs, ect.
For me thats half the fun of buying a new boat, I love to customize
to my own tastes.
Good luck.
P.S. does anyone have novel ideas on inflatable dingy storage??
Walt
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| 59.10 | Here's the usual arangements... | TOOK::SWEET | Capt Codfish...Looking for Mr. Tuna | Wed Jun 29 1988 09:27 | 8 |
| Hey Walt...
How about a couple of davits(sp?) on the bow! Would look very
navel (er Novel). Seriously...I see a lot of boats rest them on
the swim platform and lash them to the stern cleats, or just set
it up on the bow and lash it down there, or just tow it.
Bruce
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| 59.11 | A little dingy?? | AD::GIBSON | | Wed Jun 29 1988 11:27 | 18 |
| I have all the makings of a nice davit, but its for Tuna fish! Part
of the problem with the dingy is, I have too many intrests. I like
to fish and that makes the stearn mount a problem, or davits.
I like to dive . Also I have a dive platform. I want to use the
15 hp as a kicker on the dive platform and also use it on the dingy.
My Bow deck is only 10 ft. This limits the size of the dingy. The
motor is 15 hp which also limits dingy size to 10 ft or larger.
If I go 10 or 12 ft I can tow, but I've heard of a lot of people
flipping the dingy running the Merrimack Inlet.
The best bet would be a combo. Marlin Tower/ Dingy rack over head?
Has anybony seen such a thing? Any opinions??
Walt
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| 59.12 | Latest Info on the Down East Search | GRAPH::FSMITH | | Tue Jul 12 1988 19:03 | 23 |
| Thought some of you might be interested on the search for a new
boat. Besides the JC 31, I have also received info on the BHM 31
from Flye Point Marine in Brooklin, Maine. They sent lots of info
and the name and owner of one who lives in Mass. I have also sent
for info on the Duffy 31 which comes from Duffy and Duffy, also
in Brooklin, Maine. The info has not arrived, but they did provide
me with a reference in Sesuit Harbor (E. Dennis, Mass.). I plan
to talk with him tonight. Finally, I am going out on a Blue Seas
31 on Thursday night. This boat is beautiful!. Made in Canada and
sold by Rocknak Marine in Rockport, Maine. There is a great article
on it in the August issue of New England Offshore.
The other thing I have done is check out financing. The best I've
found to date is First Commercial Credit in Framingham, Mass. The
will require 25% down and will go to 15 years at 9.5%. There are
no points and no pre-payment penaltys. They will also do a 20% down
at 9.9% for 15 years with the same terms.
I'm continuing the search and I'll update this note as new info
is received.
Fred Smith Who_finds_there_are_lots_of_nice_Down_East_boats_around
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| 59.13 | SISU Means "Gutsy" in Finnish! | TELALL::CHRISTENSEN | Proofreader for Sky Writers | Mon Jul 25 1988 10:23 | 18 |
| We were also researching the JC 31 recently. The process was pretty
much finalized until my husband went to the JC headquarters with
cash in hand to close the sale. They were completely uninterested
in signing on the dotted line at the price which had been negotiated.
My husband and his father left without further discussion.
They moved on down the coast a way to our second choice, SISU.
This boat is styled much the same as a JC with the basic design
by Royal Lowell (sp?) being a raised bow and low, broad stern.
We were able to negotiate a scuba diving package of extras that
included a swim platform and access to it through a cut-out stern door.
We chose the diesel power option on the 30' craft, partly to minimize
the wait at the fuel dock (lots of gas guzzlers/few diesel drinkers!)
The 350 hp Perkins engine has been problem-free for three years
and we love the boat. Check us out if you're around Cape Ann
(Gloucester/Rockport), Massachusetts any weekend...we're EASY DIVER,
docked at the Cape Ann Marina, Gloucester, MA.
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| 59.14 | How about some more on SISU | TOOK::SWEET | Capt Codfish...Looking for Mr. Tuna | Mon Jul 25 1988 11:30 | 6 |
| Could you give a little more info on the SISU. What are the prices
like, do the y make anything around 25-26 feet? How fast do they
go and any creature comforts.
Thanks,
Bruce
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| 59.15 | Sisu 26ft. | SEDJAR::JOYCE | | Mon Jul 25 1988 13:32 | 10 |
| Bruce,
Sisu does make a 26 ft. downeast style boat. I don't know about
prices, but a look in the back of Offshore would give ou an idea
of the price of a used one. They are a nice boat. I you want to
see one in the water, take a ride up to Eastmans in Seabrook. The
name of the boat is the Saga (sp?), dark green in color. They use it
for six pack charters. I believe it has a 8.2L diesel.
Steve
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| 59.16 | Not exactly the Queen Mary... | TELALL::CHRISTENSEN | Proofreader for Sky Writers | Tue Jul 26 1988 15:45 | 10 |
| Ours cost $65,000 three years ago, but $24,000 of that was the diesel
engine.
Creature comforts include polyester, upholstered V-berth; enclosed,
marine toilet with holding tank; alcohol, counter, flush-mounted, two
burner stove; counter, flush-mounted, sunken cooler; large, fresh water
holding tank. Plus the ultimate: 6'6" standing headroom at the wheel.
Finally, there is a flying bridge with duplicate controls and
three-person, vinyl upholstered bench seat with backrest.
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| 59.17 | Yikes !!! Oil burners are expensive. | MENTOR::REG | Just browsing; HONEST, I'm BROKE ! | Tue Jul 26 1988 16:55 | 11 |
| re .16 $24K for a diesel ??? Good grief, I paid a lot less
than that for mine last year...
and I got a free Suburban to wrap around it too...
Reg
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| 59.18 | | MSCSSE::BERENS | Alan Berens | Tue Jul 26 1988 17:46 | 5 |
| re .16:
$24 000 for a diesel? Is that $24 000 more than gasoline power? Good
grief, you must REALLY hate waiting at the gas dock.
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| 59.19 | Looked for JC---Found Blue Seas | WIPS::FSMITH | | Fri Aug 12 1988 15:05 | 22 |
| I just realized that I had not updated this note in some time. The
decision has been made and a price (including a trade of my 23'
Seaway) agreed to. I am ordering a Blue Seas 31 for delivery next
spring. This after spending an evening on one back in July and also
after a trip to Rockport, Maine a couple of weeks ago. I spent 5
hours going over the boat from stem to stern including 3 hours out
at sea. The dealer, Rocknak Marine has been very good in answering
all of my questions and in showing me that they want both parties
to be happy with the final result.
The boat was written up in the August issue of New England Offshore
in the section called 'The Editor goes Powerboat Shopping'. If anyone
is interested in seeing one up close, there will be one at the Boston
In-water Boat Show this coming week. August 18-21 at the World Trade
Center.
As soon as I have all the paperwork, I will insert a reply regarding
options, etc. The power will be a 210 HP Cummins Turbo. In the
meantime, pray that the prime rate does not go any higher.
Fred Who_now_gets_to_dream_all_winter
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| 59.20 | The Dream is Becoming Reality | CURIE::FSMITH | | Fri Jan 13 1989 16:06 | 23 |
| It has been 5 months since my last reply so an update is in order.
My Blue Seas 31 goes into production on January 23 and with a 60
day build cycle, it should leave the factory for the boat yard in
Camden Maine on March 20. I've decided on most of the electronics
and they will include 2 Icom VHFs---an M100 in the cabin and an
M55 on the bridge. The loran will be a Raytheon Raynav 570 and if
all goes well, a Raytheon R20 radar. The depthsounder will be a
Dart with guages on both the bridge and in the cabin. It displays
the water depth, water temp., speed, and distance travelled.
At this point I believe that I will finance the boat through the
Maine Savings bank. They offer a 20 year term at 11.25% and if you
open an account with them and allow the payments to be automatically
withdrawn, the rate is reduced by .25%, making the rate 11.0%. This
is about the best I could find in the last 2 weeks. The person I
spoke with was knowledgeable about boats and very 'down home'. I
think it will be a good place to do business.
So, it looks like it will really happen and even though it's been
a long fall and winter, it looks like it is really going to happen.
Fred Smith
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| 59.21 | The dream is real---the boat is reality | CURIE::FSMITH | | Thu Mar 02 1989 15:22 | 41 |
| Another update on the Blue Seas 31. I spent last Friday in St.
Catherines Ontario at the Hinterhoeller Yacht Company. They are
the people who have taken over the manufacturing of the Blue Seas
31. Hinterhoeller makes the Nonsuch and Niagra line of sailboats
and they have been in the boat business for many years. Their sailboats
are generally viewed as high quality and their owners are very loyal.
They also make the Limestone 24, which is an I/O. It comes in both
cuddy cabin and runabout models.
I spent 8+ hours at the factory and they let me climb all over the
place, take pictures, ask questions, gave me samples, etc. Although
I am not an experienced boat builder, they certainly seem to be.
I saw boats which had just come from the mold, boats being laid
up, boats having balsa core installed, boats being finished, and
one 31' about to leave just getting its bottom paint. They currently
have 5 31' in various stages. They also had 6 Niagras and 6 Nonsuchs
in various stages.
My boat is hull #30 and the engine is installed and the head and
forward bulkheads were being installed. The cabin top was finished
and was sitting on the floor beside the hull. The cockpit floor
was out of the mold and was being further laid up while we were
there. The flying bridge was still in the mold. They do all their
own upholstery work and I met the woman who does it. She loves the
interior fabrics we chose and she promised a great job. Based on
work she has done, I believe her. I also met George Hinterhoeller
and his son who run the business and I invited them down for a ride
after we launch. Even though sailing is their first love, they readily
agreed.
In short, it was well worth the trip to see the production of the
boat in process. I realize not everyone can do this, however I would
recommend you to do it if you have the chance to see your boat being
made. You'll have plenty of time to see it once it's finished, but
only a limited time to see it in production.
The boat is scheduled to leave Canada in late March and hopefully
it will be ready for launching in late April.
Fred Smith Who_wakes_up_every_morning_dreaming_of_launch_day.
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| 59.22 | The boat is real---The mortgage is reality | CURIE::FSMITH | | Fri Apr 21 1989 13:25 | 25 |
| Well, the boat arrived at the dealers (Rocknak Yacht Sales, Rockport,
Maine) last Friday. My son and I had driven up that morning from
Massachusetts and stopped in Portland to sign the mortgage, and
documentation papers and pick up the check. The boat arrived just
after we got to Rockport and we observed them unloading it from
the tractor/trailer. After blocking it we did an on-site inspection
and only found some minor problems which have been taken care of.
Saturday we spent about 4 hours laying out the electronics and adding
a few goodies we had not planned on originally. I spoke with the
dealer this morning and the work is under way with a goal of having
it close to completion by next weekend. Rocknak's is having and
open house in Rockport on April 29-30 and the will have 4-5 Blue
Seas 31's on display. They are also dealers for Coastal and Rampage.
Since the are brokers they have some good used boats (including
sail). If you are in the Rockport Maine area next weekend, they
are located on US Route 1 in Rockport about 1 mile from Camden.
I will be there for the weekend and would love to show you LIBERTY
if you stop by.
Looks like we will launch the first week in May and bring her down
to Hingham, Mass. the weekend of May 13. Come on warm weather!
Fred Smith
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| 59.23 | It's all real now | CURIE::FSMITH | | Tue May 30 1989 19:21 | 49 |
| This reply will complete the adventure which started last July.
LIBERTY was launched on May 15, 1989 at Wayfarer Marine in Camden,
Maine. I spent Saturday May 20 on her doing sea trials and getting
to know how to handle a single screw inboard. All went well and
plans were made to bring her down to Hewitt's Cove Marina in Hingham,
Mass. on Friday May 26.
I drove to Camden on May 25 and met with the dealer and we decided
to leave at 6:00 AM. We actually got underway at 6:30 at the beginning
of what looked to be a good day. We were in for a bit of a surprise.
The weather and seas were great for the first 25+ miles. As we
approached Monhegan Island, the seas started to build and the
visibility dropped to about 3-4 miles. We set a course for Cape
Ann, Massachusetts, which is about 90 miles from Monhegan and it
takes you between 30 and 40 miles offshore. The seas built to 8'
to 10' and there were crests of 10' to 12'+. It was like that all
of the 90 miles to Cape Ann. One of my crew was sick and could not
take the helm at all and my 12 year old son did not feel comfortable
because of the conditions. That left me and the dealer who did most
of the navigating while I was at the helm.
At Cape Ann we set a course for the "B" buoy off of Boston Harbor
which is about a 20 mile run. The seas finally started to calm a
bit, but the were still running 6' to 8' most of the way. Once at
the "B", it was a short run in through Hull Gut and on into Hingham.
We arrived at my slip at exactly 6:00 PM, a trip of about 150 miles
and 11 1/2 hours.
The good news is the boat performed fantastic. It is everything
I thought it would be and more. It handled the seas with no problems
and we never took any water over the bow with the exception of lots
of spray because of the wind. My son and I slept aboard on Friday
night like a couple of babies. I topped off the tanks on Saturday
and we had used exactly 100 gallons of fuel on the trip. With 220
gallons on board, we had plenty to spare.
I made a 'punch list' yesterday for a few little things that need
to be fixed and the dealer said they will be down this Friday to
take care of them. LIBERTY is now in Hingham for the summer and
I hope to be out and about in her most weekends and during some
vacation time. If any of you noters are down in that area, please
give a call (if you can get through on 16) or send mail.
An interesting anecdote: someone asked my son if he got seasick
on the trip down and he said "No, but I got sick of the sea". He
asked me if we could do it in 2 days the next time.
Fred
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| 59.24 | Say Hello at the Boston Show | CURIE::FSMITH | | Fri Aug 18 1989 12:54 | 10 |
| I could not find a note on this topic so I will add it here. My 31'
Blue Seas 'LIBERTY', which is the subject of most of this note will be
on display at the Boston In-water Boat Show which runs from August
24-27 at The World Trade Center. It will be displayed by the dealer
Rocknak's Yacht Sales of Rockport, Maine. I will be there most of the
time also and would like to meet any noters who are in the area. Please
come aboard and make yourself known. Hope to see some of you there!
Fred Smith
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