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Conference 7.286::fddi

Title:FDDI - The Next Generation
Moderator:NETCAD::STEFANI
Created:Thu Apr 27 1989
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2259
Total number of notes:8590

78.0. "Timings for Extended LANS, PCSA" by VAOU02::ICAESAR (Ian Caesar (VCO 604-382-6464)) Thu Jun 21 1990 19:10

    We have a customer who is planning an FDDI based metropolitan area
    network which will bridge Ethernet (and Token ring) networks.  They
    have asked us about the timing tolerences for differenet Ethernet based
    protocols/services including: LAD, LAST, DECnet and LAT.  I realize
    this sounds like an application dependent question but is there
    anything the FDDI folks can say about the use of these different
    services on high speed extended LANs.  I have posted this question in
    the PCSAV2 notes file also.
    
    I think what the customer would like is to be able to state  throughput
    timing goals (in milliseconds or something) for the network and then
    commit to maintaining the average service levels.  They want to make
    sure their goals are consistent with the needs of common services like
    DECnet/PCSA.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
                                            
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78.1KONING::KONINGNI1D @FN42eqMon Jun 25 1990 17:1812
FDDI allows a ring circumference of up to 200 km.  At that sort of distance
the channel delay is still under 2 ms.  None of the protocols you mentioned
should suffer unduly.  For comparison, the "7 bridge rule" is based on an
assumption of 1 ms "typical, loaded" delay through a bridge.

In other words, such an oversized FDDI could be counted as if it were 1 or 2
bridges, and the 7 bridge rule applied as usual.

On the other hand, we have configuration recommendations for FDDI, and
MAN sized FDDIs are well outside those recommendations.

	paul
78.2arithmeticsNCEIS1::CHEVAUXPatrick Chevaux, Nice, 828-6995Wed Oct 10 1990 11:2318
    Back to basic arithmetics:
    
    - propagation in the fiber at .66c (example):
      
      1ns = 20cm
      1us = 200m
      1ms = 200km     <--- max circumference of FDDI ring
      1 s = 200000km
                                                         
    - send/receive delays
    
      at 10 Mbps  1500Bytes=12000bits  takes 1.2ms
      at 100Mbps  _________ _________  _____ 120ns
    
    - I assume the bridges complete the receive operation before they
      forward the frame.
      
    - I haven't included the token acquisition time
78.3!ZPOVC::HWCHOYIt must be Thursday.Wed Oct 10 1990 12:597
    
    � - propagation in the fiber at .66c (example):
      
      but propagation in the fiber should be "c"!?
    ain't it?
    
    
78.4Glass is slower than a vacuumBAGELS::LEVYWed Oct 10 1990 13:275
    re: -.1
    
    Nope. Propagation in a vacuum is "c"
    
    	  Propagation in a fiber (n~1.5) is ~.66c