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Conference 7.286::dcu

Title:DCU
Notice:1996 BoD Election results in 1004
Moderator:CPEEDY::BRADLEY
Created:Sat Feb 07 1987
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1041
Total number of notes:18759

522.0. "What happens if the votes are tied?" by SLOAN::HOM () Wed Apr 08 1992 15:42

I have called Ms D'Addieco regarding the ruling on what
happens in the event of a tie for seventh place. Neither
the bylaws nor the guidelines give any guidance on what to
do.

A worst case scenario would be a tied between a petition candidate
and a nominated candidate.  I would hate to find out at the meeting
that the chairman will cast the deciding vote.  You may argue that that's
not fair but the someone has to cast the deciding vote.

Perhaps, both candidates can be on the BOD? (A better solution.)

If 10,000 members vote, I see a 1 in 10,000 chance of this happening - but
it can happen. 

Will post what I hear.  

Gim

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522.1SSDEVO::EGGERSAnybody can fly with an engine.Wed Apr 08 1992 16:481
    How about flipping a coin?  That happens even in government elections.
522.2BIGSOW::WILLIAMSBryan WilliamsThu Apr 09 1992 14:534
How can the chairman cast a vote? At least in this case, he probably
already has voted. One man, one vote?

Bryan
522.3similar to US ConstitutionSLOAN::HOMThu Apr 09 1992 15:589
If the Presidential candidates fail to get a majority of the electoral
college vote, the House of Representatives gets to vote (one state one
vote). You can argue that those representatives get to vote twice.

Perhaps in the event of a tie, these attending the annual meeting can
cast the deciding votes.

Gim

522.4GUFFAW::GRANSEWICZREAL CHOICES for a real CU!Thu Apr 09 1992 16:2016
    
    
>Perhaps in the event of a tie, these attending the annual meeting can
>cast the deciding votes.
    
    You mean just like the Special Meeting?  I can tell you what the result
    would be now and you don't have to pay me anything...
    
    This is all very unlikely and probably not worth worrying about until
    we come to it.  Besides, what makes you think DCU is now all of a
    sudden going to start documenting anything about this election?  The
    "DCU Election Guidelines" aren't being used.  That leaves no known
    rules that I am aware of.  DCU makes them up as they go along and as
    they see fit.  Welcome to politics at DCU.  Any wonder why people have
    a hard time trusting the place?
    
522.5PATE::MACNEALruck `n' rollFri Apr 10 1992 14:0914
�    "DCU Election Guidelines" aren't being used.  
    
    According to the bylaws, the President has the power to appoint the
    Nominating Committee.  Apparently the Guidelines were written before
    this bylaw change.
    
    As far as other DCU employee's inolvement, this appeared to be
    happening at only a couple of sites and could very easily have been
    individually motivated rather than DCU motivated.  In the cases
    documented, it appears that issues have been resolved.
    
    In the DCU branches I've visited I've seen all nominees names listed on
    literature posted in the branch, and signs and buttons that encourage
    people to Vote.
522.6GUFFAW::GRANSEWICZREAL CHOICES for a real CU!Fri Apr 10 1992 14:2527
    
>    According to the bylaws, the President has the power to appoint the
>    Nominating Committee.  Apparently the Guidelines were written before
>    this bylaw change.
    
    	Correct.  The 'new & improved' Bylaws now give the power to the
    President instead of the Chairman of the Board.  It still is not clear
    to me how the President is going to know that many members in order to
    choose them.  I wonder if he is going to solicit volunteers?
    
    The Election Guidelines covered much more than this item though.    
    
>    As far as other DCU employee's inolvement, this appeared to be
>    happening at only a couple of sites and could very easily have been
>    individually motivated rather than DCU motivated.  In the cases
>    documented, it appears that issues have been resolved.
    
    It happened at more than a couple sites.  And these were just the sites
    where activity was actually proven to be that of DCU employees.  How
    were the issues resolved?  Do you know something we don't?
    
>    In the DCU branches I've visited I've seen all nominees names listed on
>    literature posted in the branch, and signs and buttons that encourage
>    people to Vote.

    Yes, as the Bylaws require. (except signs & buttons)
    
522.7PATE::MACNEALruck `n' rollFri Apr 10 1992 14:5914
�    The Election Guidelines covered much more than this item though.    
    
    I asked the question in here as to which Guidelines were not being
    followed and the answer I got was the President's involvement with the
    nominating committee and candidate information distribution/removal by
    DCU employees.
    
�    It happened at more than a couple sites.  And these were just the sites
�    where activity was actually proven to be that of DCU employees.  How
�    were the issues resolved?  Do you know something we don't?
    
    I'm going by the info posted in here.  I believe that ZKO and CXO were
    the only branches that were discussed.  I also believe that the people
    raising the issue have said that the issue has been resolved.
522.8Earth calling Ruck 'n' Roll ?MLTVAX::SCONCEBill SconceFri Apr 10 1992 15:2414
.7>    I'm going by the info posted in here.  I believe that ZKO and CXO were
.7>    the only branches that were discussed.  I also believe that the people
.7>    raising the issue have said that the issue has been resolved.


I might be able to comment on ZKO.  "Resolved" isn't quite the right word
for an issue which has resulted in Open Door letters to Worldwide Employee
Relations and the Senior VP of Operations, and in threat of Corrective Action
-- all still in process.  That info is posted in here.

DCU employees aren't responsible for how things have unfolded at ZKO, of
course.  Their actions were only the seeds.  Still, those who raised the
issues at ZKO would prefer that you not believe that the "issue has been
resolved".
522.9WLDBIL::KILGOREDCU -- I'm making REAL CHOICESFri Apr 10 1992 15:5217
    
.5>  As far as other DCU employee's inolvement, this appeared to be
.5>  happening at only a couple of sites and could very easily have been
.5>  individually motivated rather than DCU motivated.
    
    See note 496.43 for evidence against the theory that DCU employee
    involvement in the election was individually motivated. The crux of
    that note is reproduced below:
    
DECie:      "Who distributed the [Vote for a Qualified Board] flyers?"
Branch mgr: "Digital employees were asked to volunteer their time to distribute 
             the flyers."
DECie:      "Who asked for these volunteers?"
Branch mgr: "I did.  On my own time."
Teller:     "Headquarters told us to solicit volunteers."
Branch mgr: "That's correct.  On our own time."

522.10SSDEVO::EGGERSAnybody can fly with an engine.Fri Apr 10 1992 17:127
    CXO Branch Manager:  We have no control over what DCU employees
    			 do on their lunch break.
    
    
    Mary Madden called me back to say that DCU HQ had discussed the issue
    with the CXO branch.  The problem of removing RC literature did not
    repeat.
522.11More than just a couple of sites...BTOVT::EDSON_Dthat was this...then is nowTue Apr 14 1992 15:345
    .9's note references BTO, so there are at least 3 sites.  I can't
    prove it, but I'd be willing to bet that it has happened at more
    sites than you'd care to know about.
    
    Don