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Conference 7.286::dcu

Title:DCU
Notice:1996 BoD Election results in 1004
Moderator:CPEEDY::BRADLEY
Created:Sat Feb 07 1987
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1041
Total number of notes:18759

407.0. "_The March of Folly_" by MLTVAX::SCONCE (Bill Sconce) Tue Dec 10 1991 11:25

         Three outstanding attitudes -- obliviousness to the growing
         disaffection of constituents, primacy of self-aggrandizement,
         [and the] illusion of invulnerable status -- are persistent
         aspects of folly.

                                             Barbara Tuchman
                                             _The March of Folly_



(Quoted by Tom Peters on the frontispiece of his latest book.)

Sound like anyone we might know?
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407.1GUFFAW::GRANSEWICZSomeday, DCU will be a credit union.Tue Dec 10 1991 12:4225
    
>	Sound like anyone we might know?
    
    
    	Including or excluding politicians?  8-)
    
    
    
    	I believe these are many of the symptoms of people in positions of
    power who have been in power for any length of time.  That is why I
    believe it is very important to have a limit on how many consecutive
    terms any elected official may serve.  The longer one holds such power,
    the further away one tends to get from the people who put you in office. 
    And once you have the position, incumbency all too often is a lock on
    the position, whether it's a Board position or Senator.  The current
    BoD controls the communications vehicles of the credit union.  They
    restrict access to information concerning their past performance in a
    fiasco that has cost our credit union millions of dollars.
    
    Only when people wake up, take an interest, get involved and demand 
    change and accountability will things improve.  Otherwise, we will be
    faced with endless streams of disasters like we have seen at DCU and in
    Washington.
    
    Stepping down my the soapbox now...
407.2"Feelings...Nothing more than Feelings"HOTWTR::OSSLER_KESoccus Carminium AdmirariTue Dec 10 1991 17:077
Ferdinand and Imelda would be dang proud of this BOD.

Once the old board is overthrown, we should ask the new board to 
investigate how many pairs of shoes were bought with DCU funds.

/kevin

407.3VERGA::WELLCOMESteve Wellcome (Maynard)Wed Dec 11 1991 14:4112
    If you go to the DCU headquarters, on the wall at the end of the
    main corridor as you go in, at the end nearest PK03, is a plaque
    on the wall commemorating the building of the headquarters.  It
    lists the names of the president and the BoD at the time (Mangone,
    Steinkrauss, et al).  To me, that example of self-aggrandizement
    typifies the fundamental flaw of the current BoD.  That sort of
    thing I expect of politicians; I don't expect it from the officers
    of a credit union.
    
    How much more appropriate would be the plaque listing all the charter
    members of DCU that is currently hanging in the DCU branch in the mill
    on 5-4.
407.4SSDEVO::EGGERSAnybody can fly with an engine.Thu Dec 12 1991 00:272
    How appropriate that Mangone's name is on the plaque.  I hope we can
    keep that there for a long time as a rememberance of things past.
407.5TOMK::KRUPINSKIDCU Election: Vote for REAL ChoicesMon Mar 23 1992 11:278
	Saw this in "New Hampshire View", (DEC publication for NH sites),
	and thought this was an appropriate place for it:


		"Rank does not confer privilege or give power. It 
		imposes responsibility."

				Peter Drucker in FORTUNE
407.6A Vice President speaks :)MLTVAX::SCONCEBill SconceMon Mar 23 1992 12:336
              "My friends, no matter how rough the road may be,
              we can and we will, never, never surrender to what
              is right."

                          -Dan Quayle, in a keynote speech to
                           Pat Robertson's "Christian Coalition"
407.7BIGSOW::WILLIAMSBryan WilliamsMon Mar 23 1992 14:2915
>              "My friends, no matter how rough the road may be,
>              we can and we will, never, never surrender to what
>              is right."
>
>                          -Dan Quayle, in a keynote speech to
>                           Pat Robertson's "Christian Coalition"

I know the popular press likes to do this, but here is a situation where he
was misquoted. The "to" has been added in. It still was a convaluted sentance.

"Oh, Mario.."

:-)

Bryan
407.8spin this doc......NECSC::ROODYMon Mar 23 1992 15:1811
    re .7
    
    All "spin control" aside, is this yet another case where what he said
    (the Dano) differs from what the published text reads, but not from the
    reports?  I have seen at least two cases where what the "poplular"
    press published has been attacked by Danies staffers based upon the
    released transcripts, but when you "listen" to a recording of what was
    said, the press got it correct.
    
    Sorry for the non-topical disturbance.
    
407.9Publisher is checking the tapeMLTVAX::SCONCEBill SconceTue Mar 24 1992 09:5114
.7>  I know the popular press likes to do this, but here is a situation where
.7>  he was misquoted. The "to" has been added in. It still was a convaluted
.7>  sentance.

Yeek.  I got my quotation from _The Quayle Quarterly_, Volume 3 Number 1,
page 6.  I just called the publisher (a Deborah Werksman; TQQ is out of
Bridgeport CT).  She said that the author of the article (a Frederick
Clarkson) actually attended the Christian Coalition conference, was there
when Dan Quayle made his address, and has it on tape.

But she said she feels that being very sure about such things is important,
and she's going to call the author and review the tape.  I promised to call
her back next week to find out whether that "to" is on the tape or not.
(Stay tuned.)
407.10MURE::EGGERSAnybody can fly with an engine.Tue Mar 24 1992 11:2610
    Re: .-several
    
    What seems to happen is that Quayle's speech writers give him a good
    speech which Quayle himself then manages to botch by changing a few
    words.  So the original speech would not have the critical "to" in it,
    but a tape recording very well might have the "to".  This discussion
    from an article in the Denver Post yesterday.
    
    The question is, do the reporters use the same criteria when reporting
    Quayle's speeches as they use for the speeches of other politicians?
407.11we come full circle grasshopper....NECSC::ROODYTue Mar 24 1992 11:4319
    re .10

    >The question is, do the reporters use the same criteria when
    >reporting Quayle's speeches as they use for the speeches of other
    >politicians?

    Now now.  Lest this head down a Soapbox rathole, I'll leave it at:

    I thought the question of the day is - what do our leaders say and think,
    and how do their past and present actions, both public and covert,
    effect our lives, our finances, and our futures; for the positive,
    negative, or irrelevant.  

    I'm glad to see we are finally getting back to discussing the issues
    here at the "employees'" credit union.  ;^)

    It does seem to apply, doesn't it?

    /greg
407.12Follow-up: publisher says "to" is on tape11SRUS::SCONCEBill SconceMon Apr 06 1992 13:1118
.9>                 <<< Note 407.9 by MLTVAX::SCONCE "Bill Sconce" >>>
.9>                        -< Publisher is checking the tape >-
.9>
.9>  .7>  I know the popular press likes to do this, but here is a situation
.9>  .7>  where he was misquoted. The "to" has been added in. It still was a
.9>  .7>  convaluted sentance.


After I called her (see .9), the publisher wrote to the author.  (The author,
Frederick Clarkson,  attended the conference, taped Quayle's address, and
prepared his article from the tape recording.)

In response to my relayed question, Carlson went back and listened to the
tape again.  He says that Quayle did say "never surrender to what is right".
The word "to" is on the tape, as is a stunned audience silence immediately
following.

We now return you to follies closer to home...