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Conference 7.286::dcu

Title:DCU
Notice:1996 BoD Election results in 1004
Moderator:CPEEDY::BRADLEY
Created:Sat Feb 07 1987
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1041
Total number of notes:18759

353.0. "Why is 352.0 Hidden?" by TOMK::KRUPINSKI (DCU Special Meeting: 12-Nov-1991) Thu Nov 07 1991 18:01

	Why was topic 352 set hidden and nowrite. I was able
	to read what was in 352.0 (and the replies) before they
	were hidden, and while I disagree with what the author 
	wrote, I certainly found nothing in it that would warrant
	setting it hidden. Both sides need to be heard.

					Tom_K
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353.1BEIRUT::SUNNAAThu Nov 07 1991 18:3412
    
    Note 352.0 is not set hidden. It has been deleted. 
    
    It was a moderation decision on my part. If someone objects, I'll be
    happy to start a seperate not on "MODERATION COMMENTS" or whatever, but
    please hold off the "abuse the moderator mail". I already reached my
    quota for the day.
    
    thank you.
    
    Your moderator.
    
353.2HUMOR::EPPESI'm not making this up, you knowThu Nov 07 1991 19:214
How about just deleting the whole note string, then...? 
(I hate coming across hidden notes - makes me wonder what I missed! :-) )

							-- Nina
353.3BEIRUT::SUNNAAThu Nov 07 1991 21:2811
    
    
    re: -1
    
    I usually set them hidden and ask people to delete their own notes. I
    do it as a matter of courtesy, and to give them a chance to
    object if they choose to. 
    
    Nisreen
    
    
353.4TOMK::KRUPINSKIDCU Special Meeting: 12-Nov-1991Fri Nov 08 1991 09:247
	No abuse intended from this quarter. It would be helpful,
	however, to explain what your decision was based upon, if for no
	other reason than to prevent a future, similar occurrence.

				Thanks,

					Tom_K
353.5Just a word or two would doMLTVAX::SPINS::SCONCEBill SconceFri Nov 08 1991 10:4032
.4>	No abuse intended from this quarter. It would be helpful,
.4>	however, to explain what your decision was based upon, if for no
.4>	other reason than to prevent a future, similar occurrence.


Tom's right.  The moderator was probably right to remove that note.  It was
a real foamer(*).

But whenever the moderator encounters a case needing surgical attention,
the surgery itself is only part of the job.  Some words of explanation can
keep down what would otherwise be inevitable speculation as each and every
reader encounters "Note nnnn is set hidden".

In this case, "Note nnnn moved to SOAPBOX" might have been the right
explanation.



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(*)  Originally cross-posted in HUMANE::DIGITAL, from whence it was similarly
     purged.  It has since re-surfaced there (as 1639.47), now including a
     new preface which begins

         One hundred years ago, in 1891, men, women, and children starved
         and froze to death on the streets of this country. [...] Well, we
         are nearing 1992 and Americans still go homeless and hungry, right
         there in Boston.  Some do not survive the winter.  The fabric of
         economic life is a delicate one and we are all woven into it.  The
         Digital Credit Union is the largest credit union in Massachusetts.
         [...]

     You might consider taking a look at it.
353.6Deletion of the note in question seen as overkillSTAR::BECKPaul BeckFri Nov 08 1991 12:089
    I read the note in DIGITAL, and so no reason why it should have
    been summarily deleted from this conference, unless the goal of
    this conference is to channel public opinion in one direction and
    squelch any opposing views.

    I don't know who to believe in all of this - it's like Anita Hill
    versus Clarence Thomas - but there are an awful lot of Arlan
    Spectors (sp?) in evidence, going for the proverbial throat at any
    opportunity.
353.7SSDEVO::EGGERSAnybody can fly with an engine.Fri Nov 08 1991 13:2722
    Different conferences have different standards.  Some are more willing
    to entertain invective than others, and it's up to the moderator(s) to
    keep things on an even keel.

    The posted note, now that I've read it in humane::digital, would have
    been the most incendiary note in this conference.  I can easily see how
    it might exceed the moderator's threshold.  The moderators of
    humane::digital are entitled to keep their own standard of discourse,
    and if you compare the level of discourse between that conference and
    this one, I think you'll agree that "the level of intensity" in this
    one is lower on a regular basis.  That is one of the choices the
    moderator of a conference must make.  Personally, I prefer the
    lower level of intensity.

    Since a pointer has been given to the note in humane::digital, and that
    note has been allowed to stand (as it should be!!!), I don't think any
    claims of biased moderation will hold much water.  Some discussion of
    that note has also continued in this conference, along with quotes from
    it.
    
    As a point of humorous speculation, I think the DCU BoD will cringe at
    seeing that note.
353.8More humor - (sorry... no I'm not!)PLOUGH::KINZELMANPaul KinzelmanFri Nov 08 1991 13:402
Re: .-1
	It could be worse, he could be on *our* side! 8*)
353.9about 353.8BEATLE::REILLYSo I rewired it...Fri Nov 08 1991 17:3611
    
    Paul, I was initially very insulted (personally) by Gary's notes, and I 
    could not think of an appropriate way to convey my feelings that his notes
    have been, imho, slightly hypocritical and very inflammatory.
    
    You're comment has pretty much calmed me down, as well as given me
    a good chuckle (hard to come by wrt DCU events lately, too).
    
    Thanks,
    
    - Sean