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1920.1 | Hydrofoil Power Boats/Ships | DEMOAX::GINGER | Ron Ginger | Fri Aug 28 1992 09:00 | 10 |
| Its not a sailboat, but there is a photo of a BIG- maybe 100ft?- navy
vessel riding on foils down the Kenebec river in front of the BIW. The
photo hangs in the mens room of Sarahs Pizza Shop in Wiscassett ME. Ive
always been curious about the ship, and how the photo comes to be in
the mens room!
I rode a foil ferry in Sydney Harbor. About a 50-60ft boat. Interesting
ride, fast and very smooth.
So, has anyone any experience with foil sailboats?
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1920.2 | hydrofoil vs windsurfer | STARCH::HAGERMAN | Flames to /dev/null | Fri Aug 28 1992 12:22 | 9 |
| You should subscribe to Sailing World, which covers racing. The
current world speed record is held by a hydrofoil boat that has
dynamic adjustment of the foils. The speed is somewhere around
40 knots, just slightly below the record for windsurfers--the
windsurfers have the advantages of lightness and use sail lift
to get higher in the water, while the boat has the advantages of
pure foil lift and catamaran stability.
Doug.
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1920.3 | ex | POWDML::SPENCER_J | | Fri Aug 28 1992 12:43 | 42 |
| The Navy has stationed a hydrofoil (~80-100' LOA) in Key West since the
early '80s. It has the obvious advantages of relatively high speed,
around 40-45 kts I understand, and it's oblivious to chop up to about
6' high. Propulsion is through turbine engines geared to props in the
foils. All foils can be hydraulically retracted so that the conventional
PT-boat-like hull operates in displacement mode and she can come alongside
docks and piers without damaging the foils. The original purpose was
to test the concept in year-round operations without dealing with cold
weather issues, and unofficially to be available to support drug traffic
contradiction.
The Sydney Harbor foil ferry is similar to the Navy's boat in
configuration (2 side foils forward, one stern strut), but larger, I
recall. You can also foil across the English Channel, too.
There certainly are several foil kits out there, mostly for light
skiffs and windsurfers. Right now the most exciting and fastest ride
under sail you can buy (~20-30K, with support) is Greg Ketterman's
tri-foiler. It has an somewhat iceboat-like configuration and appearance,
with *two* large windsurfer-like sails mounted port and stbd out near each
of the forward foils. The stern foil steers. The unique feature is the
articulating foil design, which controls angle of attack according to
boatspeed and height above the water -- all through programmed stress
deflection engineered into the materials and design, rather than
through any articulating mechanical feedback systems. Theoretically if
you get it pointed in the right direction and can steer the thing,
don't hit any obstacles including too much chop, it'll just keep going
faster and faster. Any deviation from design conditions or in actual
foil performance results in a very quick crash & burn. Which has
happened several times during development. Drivers always wear
helmets. It's been clocked at over three times wind speed on
occasion. Greg's main supporter has been Russell Long (remember him
from 12 meter AC racing years ago?), who has bought one or two and
regularly campaigns them for world record speeds. Does anyone know how
close he's come most recently in the trials at the purpose-built speed
Trench in southern France?
For anyone serious, Ketterman advertises in MM, which has featured his
design a couple times in articles, including a cover story last year.
Last year he was a speaker at one of the NEMA meetings at Savin Hill YC.
J.
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1920.4 | And the answer is: | POWDML::SPENCER_J | | Fri Aug 28 1992 12:47 | 4 |
| .2's record-holder is Ketterman's tri-foiler.
J.
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1920.5 | Harken sold one for windsurfers | MILKWY::WAGNER | Scott | Mon Aug 31 1992 13:29 | 12 |
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I think this was referred to- the foil for a windsurfer. I've seen
a couple of little ads, not too sure how serious, but for the last 3 or
4 years, Harken has been advertising a little plug-in foil. I guess you
stuff it into the keel-slot, from the bottom. It looke sort of cross
shaped, and there is a photo of someone several inches out of the
water, board and all, under sail.
`Course I can't even stand on the board with the sail flopped down
in the water... and the tiller was nowhere to be found...
Scott
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1920.6 | new world speed record | POWDML::SPENCER_J | Commuter from the Other Cape | Thu Sep 03 1992 15:06 | 13 |
| As an answer to my own question asked in an earlier reply:
Russell Long set a new world record for a sailboat (which by rules
definitions excludes sailboards) of 41.89 knots (48.2 mph) in his
Ketterman trifoiler "Longshot". He did this in the French Trench on
March 16, 1992. He broke his own previous Class A world record of
37.08 knots set in 1990.
The new record was set in 25-35 kt winds at 120 degrees to the course.
FYI, the still-standing sailboard record is 44.66 knots, which is the
outright speed record for any water-borne sail-powered craft.
J.
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1920.7 | I believe has raised it again recently | STAR::KENNEY | | Thu Sep 03 1992 15:18 | 1 |
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1920.8 | Sydney hydrofoils no more | AKOCOA::DOUGAN | | Fri Sep 04 1992 17:28 | 5 |
| The Sydney harbour hydrofoils have been taken out of service some time
ago and replaced by more conventional catamarans. The reasons were
that the Italian built hydrofoils had high maintenance costs, high fuel
costs and were quite small. The cats are larger, almost as fast and
much cheaper to run.
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