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Conference unifix::sailing

Title:SAILING
Notice:Please read Note 2.* before participating in this conference
Moderator:UNIFIX::BERENS
Created:Wed Jul 01 1992
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2299
Total number of notes:20724

1671.0. "help on buying used custom" by SCAACT::WRIGHTR () Tue Feb 26 1991 23:20

    I am a fairly novice sailor (1 year experience).  I own a old (74) in
    medium condition Hunter 25.  I sail for now on inland lake (Lewisville
    lake in Dallas) some lessons, mostly self taught with help of others.
    
    I am interested in a larger boat, more comfortable for laying around,
    reading, friends over, weekends on the lake, etc.  I may want to
    coastal cruise and perhaps sometimes more (much more skill needed
    first).  I may race but not likely seriously, who knows.
    
    I have found what seems to be a reasonable buy.  A custom built 38 foot
    boat --18,500 displacement, 8400 ballast, 6'draft, 12'2" beam, roller
    furling, other standard equipment. 
    
    Built for TMI (Texas Marine Industries)
    Designed by Jim Taylor (did some work for Ted Turner?)
    Built by Bruce Goodwell in 1981 (started Morgan??)
    
    Needs some inside painting etc.  Have not had a survey done or looked
    at bottom or sails.  Will do before purchase of course.  
    
    Possible purchase in 40's.  Seems like a possible really good deal.
    
    anyone heard of these people?  Any advice on what I should do to
    determine if I should buy it?
                                        
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1671.1My name isSCAACT::WRIGHTRTue Feb 26 1991 23:275
    Sorry about that.  My name is Ronnie Wright.  Sail with wife Lelia,
    grown kids, grandkid, and anyone else that will dare to go out with me.
    Always wanted to sail, finally broke down and bought one. 
    
    DTN 486-6168, Ronnie Wright @DLO, or Wrightr::DPDMAIL
1671.2look aroundPERFCT::PELLEGRINIThu Feb 28 1991 17:224
    there are a lot of used boats around with "brand" names.i suggest a 
    thorough search before buying a unique design/build.
    good luck!
    
1671.3no rushMSCSSE::BERENSAlan BerensThu Feb 28 1991 17:4328
re .0:

I assume you've read the many BOAT_BUYING notes in SAILING.

Caution: Personal opinion follows.

Based on my experience, I would suggest taking more time to learn about 
sailing, and about boats. Your present requirements would be satisfied 
by many, many boats. The list of boats suitable for extended coastal 
cruising is rather shorter. Jim Taylor designs, at least these days, 
racing-oriented boats. Such boats are, in general, not the best choice
for extended cruising. Boats have what can conveniently be called 
personalities. Each is better for some types of sailing than others. It 
takes a fair bit of experience to understand which boat(s) would be best 
for you. Perhaps lack of experience or understanding is one reason why some 
people frequently sell one boat and buy another. 

Bigger is not always better, except for one's ego perhaps. Bigger is
more expensive to buy, maintain, store, equip, and repair. Bigger is
also physically more work to sail. For weekends and vacation cruises,
I'd rather have my 32' boat than something bigger. For evening and
daysailing, I'd rather sail the 26' boat we used to own. Only if I were
going around the world would I get a bigger boat (and maybe not even 
then). 

The sailboat market is terrible, and it isn't likely to improve any time 
soon. Take the time to look at dozens of boats and the time to learn as 
much as you can before buying another.
1671.4Exploit your advantage as a buyerSELECT::SPENCERMon Mar 04 1991 12:4319
>>>  The sailboat market is terrible, and it isn't likely to improve any time 
>>>  soon. Take the time to look at dozens of boats and the time to learn as 
>>>  much as you can before buying another.

Besides this, the best time to buy is late summer/early fall, right after 
the season is over.  If you can be patient for a summer, and enjoy the 
search, some real bargains can be found.  The most desperate sellers are 
those who are a year into searching for a buyer, and facing another winter 
of storage costs is unappealing at the least.  It's also when many new 
sellers enter the market, which adds to selection and induces some to 
accept a lowball price in desperation.

Remember, as a buyer, you should be enjoying the process and in control of 
it all the way.  It's the sellers who suffer.

With apologies to fellow noters 
now trying to sell a boat,

J.
1671.5Shop till ya drop.MILKWY::WAGNERMon Mar 04 1991 13:0920
    
    
    	Hmmm... those are a few heavy hitters. How old is this ship?
    	I mean how many seasons of use? That price seems a mite high.
    
    	`Course, you offer `em LOTs less, and who knows????
    
    	Fact: Jim Taylor has LOTS of designs. Call him. 617-631-6235.
    
    	One friend of mine has a very quick 27 footer, also a TMI, 
    	Morgan team pedigree, as it were. He finished the interior
    	himself. Lotsa room. Seaworthy? Hmmm, probably no Valiant,
    	OK coastal cruiser, fine daysailer & PHRF racer.
    
    	What everybody seems to concur on here, is do some shopping.
    	This is one lousy seller's market, thus one great buyers!
    
    	Have fun- remember the saying about the 2 happiest days...
    
    	Scott.