| Title: | SAILING |
| Notice: | Please read Note 2.* before participating in this conference |
| Moderator: | UNIFIX::BERENS |
| Created: | Wed Jul 01 1992 |
| Last Modified: | Mon Jun 02 1997 |
| Last Successful Update: | Fri Jun 06 1997 |
| Number of topics: | 2299 |
| Total number of notes: | 20724 |
Here are my Cruising Objectives, Requirements, and Boats that may fit
my needs.
Please comment and add to the requirments or Boat list.
Frank Lazgin
A) Cruising Objective: o One couple and frequent single-handed sailing.
o Most Sailing along New England Coast.
(Chesepeake Bay, MD to Maine)
o Capability for offshore. (ie to Bermuda, to Tortola)
o Cruises Up to 2-3 months aboard.
o Extended season sailing. (Spring, Summer & Fall)
B) Cruising Requirements (Some important features)
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o Full or Modified Full Keel, or Fin Keel with Skeg rudder.
o Sloop or cutter rig.
o About 30-32' LOA, Moderate displacement. (Smallest to meet comfort,
speed & onboard storage.)
o Roller furling jib, Jiffy Reefing Main.
o Halyards to the cockpit and Lazy Jacks for Mainsail.
o Self-tailing winches.
o Wheel Steering with Autohelm. (& Windvane Steering)
o Inboard Diesel, minimum 20 Hp.
o Dodger, Cabin heater, Chart Table, Life raft.
C) Potential Boats
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High Price band Medium Priced
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o Hans Christian o Bristol 30
o Baba 30 o Tartan 34
o Island Packet o Seafarer 31
o Southern Cross 28 o Sabre 28
o Down-East 32 o Cape Dory 30
o Pacific Seacraft
Seasprite 28
o Bayfield 29
o Valient 32
o Shannon 28
o Morris
o Dana 27
o Nortica 30
D) SOME MARKET PRICES (all with diesels) (Oct. Soundings)
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'75 Bristol 30 $14k
74 Seafarer 31 $18k
83 Seafarer 30 $28K
81 So. Cross 28 $28k
82 Tartan 30 $39k
82 Is. Pack. 27 $28k
82 Baba 30 $69k
85 Bayfield 29 $32k
81 Cape Dory 27 $29k
84 " " " $29k
86 Seasprite 28 $38k
74 Cape Dory 28 $15k
| T.R | Title | User | Personal Name | Date | Lines |
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| 1623.1 | no help? | MSCSSE::BERENS | Alan Berens | Mon Nov 12 1990 12:57 | 30 |
If you haven't done so already, see Note 3.5 for a listing of numerous notes in SAILING that provide partial answers to your questions. Your cruising objectives are similar to mine, and based on owning a Valiant 32 for eleven years, I personally would not choose a smaller boat. Even a 32 foot boat, reasonably well-equipped and carrying ample food, water, tools, spare parts, etc, for some months of cruising is none too large for a couple. Opinions vary (see the note about what is too small for the Atlantic) but I would not go to offshore on a boat smaller than mine. Bermuda is definitely offshore. Many of your requirements are boat independent, eg, roller furling, self-tailing winches, diesel engine, etc. I'd suggest trying to define better the boat-specific characteristics you want, eg, keel type, rig, interior layout, beam, draft, age, sail area/displacement ratio, length/displacement ratio, water and fuel tankage, etc. Some of the boats you list (eg, Sabre 28) I wouldn't take offshore, and others, because of age, will quite likely need rerigging, a new engine, new electronics, and so forth, all expensive. Some others (esp, the Baba 30 and Shannon 28) are very overpriced in my view. In the size range you're looking, I'd suggest tiller steering, especially if you want a windvane. A windvane has limited steering movement, and will, I think, steer more effectively with a tiller than a wheel. Some boats (eg the Valiant 32) were not designed for a wheel and are most awkward and uncomfortable to steer with one. Given the sorry state of the used boat market (if you're a seller), there are no doubt some excellent boats available. It may take much searching to find them, though. | |||||
| 1623.2 | Baba 30 impressions | AIADM::SPENCER | Commuter from the other Cape | Tue Nov 20 1990 16:54 | 8 |
One small impression based on direct experience: The Baba 30 is rock-solid, very well laid out (clearly the best laid-out under-35' boat I've ever been aboard), rugged, attractive and supremely comfortable for her size. She is a competent performer, but no one would call her fast. Cruising capacities are very generous for a 30-footer. J. | |||||
| 1623.3 | Concordia Yawl? | STEREO::HO | Wed Nov 21 1990 13:56 | 11 | |
If you're including more upscale boats in your list, how about the
Concordia yawl or their fibrglass equivalents?
I gawk unashamedly whenever I see one. My re-curring fantasy is to
cruise to Labrador aboard one. There are few things on the water as
drop dead gorgeous. But I've never been on one.
Is their beauty only as deep as the varnish on their topsides? Or do
they have some genuine sailing and cruising qualities?
- gene
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| 1623.4 | ELWOOD::KEENAN | Wed Nov 21 1990 16:23 | 2 | ||
I heard the yearly maintenance on a wooden Concordia yawl
is about $10K - $20K.
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| 1623.5 | anything but spacious | AIADM::SPENCER | Commuter from the other Cape | Fri Nov 23 1990 19:03 | 11 |
RE: Concordia yawls, Due to fine ends, plank-on-frame construction and other design features which contribute to their charm, they are quite tight inside compared to most anything new today of the same length -- perhaps as little as half the interior volume total. Some are simply beautiful, though. So you know their owners must love them for emotional as much as practical reasons! J. | |||||