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>>> In Marblehead:

1. Fees charged for mooring permits privately owned.

>>> All mooring permits are issued by the harbormaster, supposedly on a 
first come, first served basis. Permits cost $2.00 per foot per year. No 
mooring may be placed in the harbor without a permit (whether by an 
individual or mooring rental company).

2. Fees charged for parkin if any at launch areas.

3. Service charge for non-residents if any.

>>> I have a real philosophical objection to special or extra fees 
charged to non-residents. The limited waterfront facilities should be 
equally open to all at the same cost to all. Were I a lawyer, I'd quite 
happily challenge any non-uniform fees in court. (Bedford, MA, has a 
launching area on the Concord River that, as I recall, was originally 
limited to town residents only. After some legal wrangling, the 
launching area is now open to both residents and non-residents -- no 
cost.)

4. Fees charge for Town Marinas.

>>> What town marinas? 

5. Requirements for mooring inspection if any(and charges).

>>> All moorings must be inspected every two or three years (depending 
on location in the harbor) and mooring chains must be replaced 
frequently (like every two or three years). Inspection must be done by 
someone other than the owner (if a private mooring) at the owner's 
expense. The mooring rental companies are, I think, allowed to inspect 
their own moorings. I think that they simply lift the entire mooring 
(block, chain, and all) out of the water for a look. Marblehead has had 
problems with over-crowding and boats getting loose in storms (see the 
notes of last fall), which is why the requirements have been made more 
stringent in the last few years.

Please include any other pertinent information not mentioned above that
you believe would help in writing new regulations for a town.

Thanks in advance as this data will absolutely help the town committee
responsible for this area in the town of Bourne.

norm

    The survey you are conducting would be of interest to a lot of folks.
    Might you publish it when complete ?
    
    A mooring permit in Falmouth costs $30.- annually.  There are no
    inspection or hardware requirements.  There are no residence
    requirements.  Parking is free but generally very limited.
    Rental of private moorings to other individuals is not allowed.
    
    Mashpee, which shares at least one bay with Falmouth, has more
    stringent requirements regarding hardware and inspections.
    

    Gloucester charges $3/ft for private moorings and there are no rules
    about inspection periods.  The harbor master must approve location
    prior to placement.  The public launch ramp is $5/day on weekends
    and free during the week.

    In Sakonnet RI the charges are $2.00 per foot for private mooring,
    the Yatch Club own two mooring I do not know how much they are charged.
    
    No charge or restriction at loading ramp (state owned).  No restriction
    on who own private mooring, but reeeeeeeal tough to get.  
    
    Mooring must be inspected yearly by harbor master ($ 35.00) repairs
    are the owner responsibility (harbor master will do for cost of
    diver and material).
    
    Town dock is just going in, 2hr limit for tying up, no charge.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Tom
    
    

Hey-- I can not believe the poor response on this request. I 
thought that many more valid inputs woud be given. Thank you who 
have replied. Are there any more folks out there with valid data 
please. NO BS ok??
thanks.
norm

OK, here's a response for Cape Ann, but not what will do you much good:

First, there are *no* unregulated moorings allowed, so getting a mooring 
means applying through the town or city for a permit.  Permits for for 
specific locations, and those locations are laid out and a plan maintained 
by the harbormasters of each community.  

ROCKPORT -- If your boat is under 18' long, expect a 10-year-plus wait on 
   the mooring list.  Over 18' long, it's more than 25 years, though 
   obviously hard to be precise.

   Moorings are placed and maintained at owner expense.  No town facilities 
   except for a town float at each harbor; no tie-ups or dinghy storage 
   allowed.  One yacht club (cheap to join) serves Rockport Harbor, but 
   that's the harbor with the longest wait list; times listed above are only 
   averages.  Besides, SBYC doesn't control any moorings, so joining the 
   club has no influence on getting one.  Workboats have precedence in
   Rockport's north basin and in Pigeon Cove, so there's half the 
   opportunities not really available right there.

GLOUCESTER -- Depends on the harbor or location, but count on at least 5 
   years for the least protected spots, more than 10 for the better ones.  
   (I've been on the Smith Cove list for 9 years now, and am at least five 
   more from hearing anything.)

   Moorings are placed and maintained at owner expense.  No city facilities 
   except for a couple town floats, not generally at the mooring locations.  
      
   The two yacht clubs (Annisquam & Eastern Point) control some moorings, 
   but you face both the club's own membership waitlist and the expense of 
   joining the club - the ballpark of $2K/year at each.  Eastern Point is 
   the only club or location in town for that matter with any currently 
   available big boat moorings.  If you want to apply for club membership, 
   write me a note and we can talk about it.  EPYC owns and maintains 
   their own moorings, for which you pay an "ownership" fee up front and 
   an annual inspection/maintenance fee.  Dinghy storage, etc, all add up. 
   On the positive side, it certainly is one of the most beautiful club 
   locations, with views all the way to Marblehead and Boston from the 
   front porch.

   Or if you're willing to consider a slip rather than a mooring, many 
   more opportunities open up, but so does the cost.  Slip condos begin at 
   $55K (for a 99-year lease); other places seem to run around $2-3K/ yr
   for up to 20 feet, >$3K for larger.  Depends a lot on what you want for 
   services and location.  Note that many of the larger marinas are in the 
   river, which a) puts you behind the drawbridge for sailing south, b) 
   sticks you in the worst summer boat traffic, and c) forces you to 
   negotiate a tidal river with many opportunities to run aground.  Those 
   factors plus my not liking slips as much as moorings anyway means I don't 
   pay much attention to them as an option on Cape Ann.  There are some 
   other marinas down the head of the harbor and around Smith Cove.

   Brown's Yacht Yard currently runs the only rack storage system in town.
   but as you probably know, they can take only powerboats up to 24', and 
   you must call ahead so they can launch it for you, for a fee each time. 

The only angle I can think of which doesn't guarantee anything, but might 
work is to buy waterfront property on the river where the current owner 
has a mooring.  If the corrent owner will include his rights to a mooring 
in the deal, and it's not instrusive on navigation, the Gloucester harbor-
master might allow you to put one in without having to wait, on the basis 
that that location wouldn't suit anyone else due to restricted access.  
But watch out for the remarkable number of historic public landings -- the 
public landings committee is working hard to recover access everywhere 
they can, so this might backfire without some reearch beforehand!

Discouraging, isn't it?  Even for us residents.

J.

    Some information for the City of Salem (Ma.)
    
    Mooring permit fee, annual charge seems to be $1/foot.  I pay $29 for a
    29 foot boat.  One data point may not make a good graph.
    
    City provides no parking for any specific purpose.  Parking on a first
    come first served basis is available at a (presently) unused Coast
    Guard station is free.  This provides access to some mooring areas. 
    The lot is not open 24 hours a day.  Is unattended.  Dinghy space
    available at the same facility.  I'm not sure, but I think it is free. 
    No security provided for the dinghy when there.
    
    No service charge for out of town residents.
    
    The only fee I pay to Salem is the mooring permit fee.  Of course, the
    City does collect the excise tax on boats moored or stored in the City
    as of July 1.
    
    In answer to your question about inspections, from the mooring rules
    and regulations sheet:
    "The care of the moorings shall be the responsibility of the mooring
    owner.  Each owner shall place a buoy on his/her mooring by June 1st
    and a Winter spar on same, if mooring owner wishes, after October 1st. 
    The mooring may be brought ashore during the Winter  Moorings which
    remain in the water year round need to be inspected at least every two
    (2) years."
    
    Send mail if you want a copy of what the Harbormaster sends out for
    rules and regs.
    
    djc
     

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I live in Pocasset MA and currently the Shore and Harbor Committee is 
considering rewriting the waterways regulations. One of the biggest areas
of interest is how to charge for mooring permits, user fees etc.
I would like to get a compilation of fees and rules used in other locations.

Specifically data is needed on:

1. Fees charged for mooring permits privately owned.

2. Fees charged for parkin if any at launch areas.

3. Service charge for non-residents if any.

4. Fees charge for Town Marinas.

5. Requirements for mooring inspection if any(and charges).


Please include any other pertinent information not mentioned above that
you believe would help in writing new regulations for a town.

Thanks in advance as this data will absolutely help the town committee
responsible for this area in the town of Bourne.

norm

    I'm looking for info on slippage in Annapolis area. What is the typical
    charges for the season ? what is the season ? Nothing fancy just water,
    power, lights, and  security.

    Re: .9  Annapolis info
    
    Need more details: length, beam, draft, exactly how close to Annapolis
    are you talking about, etc.
    
    Prices could range all over the place ($500 - $5000) depending on
    proximity to downtown. Are we talking Spa Creek/Back Creek (walking
    distance) or Galesville (10 miles south) or Kent Island (other side of
    the Bay; 10 miles and possibly a 2 hour commute on Friday afternoon
    during beach traffic, but only a couple of miles via water).
    
    Also, yuppie marina with tennis/swimming vs private home informal
    rental?
    
    Season is ambiguous too as possibly as many as 50% of the slips are in
    use year round with bubblers.
    
    JR
    Draft greater than 5' will cut the possibilities in half.
    
    JR

    Thanks for the quick response. I have a Valiant 37, 11.5' beam which
    drafts 5'9". looking for walking to town but this could change based on
    price. Don't know enough to ask the right questions so help if you can.
    

    I will look thru my collection of marina price lists and input some
    representative data. Mostly though, you are looking at the $3K-$4K
    range for this boat. Which is not to say that you couldn't luck-out and
    find a private home owner with an empty slip for $800-$1000. [You are
    only a little more likely to find one of these than you are in finding
    the proverbial government surplus jeep, still in the crate, for $50.]
    
    This is also a popular size which means that even though the prices are
    published, there may be a waiting list for an opening. Last year when
    looking for slips for my 42' I couldn't find anything for under $4k or
    so within 5 miles of downtown.