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Title:SAILING
Notice:Please read Note 2.* before participating in this conference
Moderator:UNIFIX::BERENS
Created:Wed Jul 01 1992
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2299
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1150.0. "amateur surveyor needs help" by CSSE32::BLAISDELL () Wed Mar 15 1989 10:45

Time to ask for help. I expect to be looking at used C&C 27s and C&C 25s
(newer models in both cases) and would like advice on how to inspect these
boats or, at least, how to pretend I know how to inspect them. If I do end up
buying, I will of course have a survey done, but this would be for my first
look at these boats. 

I would have thought this was discussed elsewhere in this file; but I can't 
find a "how to" survey topic. Does anyone have a checklist they can share,
perhaps a checklist obtained from a surveyor?

Thx in advance for your help.

- Bob

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1150.1Any Good Books?CSSE32::BLAISDELLWed Mar 15 1989 10:475
Recommended book titles on how to survey fiberglass sailboats would also be
appreciated. 

Thx agn, Bob

1150.2beginning of a listMSCSSE::BERENSAlan BerensWed Mar 15 1989 16:1148
re .0:

Humph, you're right, there doesn't seem to be any discussion of this. 

Two books:

I don't recall the title exactly but something like 'Surveying Small Craft' 
by Ian Nicholson is supposedly good. Another book is 'What Shape is She 
In?' (or something similar) by Alan Vaitses. 

How much time do you propose spending looking at each boat? A friend of 
mine just bought a Bristol 35. The surveyor spent over nine hours 
looking at the boat -- rather thorough. I'd guess that a casual hour or 
so inspection would tell you much about the boat. 

A very partial list:

Is the boat clean (including bilges, engine, lockers)?

Any visible structural damage, especially at the keel to hull joint and 
the aft end of the keel? (Fin keel boats like C&Cs can be badly damaged by 
a not too hard grounding -- I've seen two C&Cs with the hull cracked at 
the aft end of the keel.)

Any visible signs of water leakage around the ports, stanchions, 
hatches, deck fittings, toe rails, etc? (After 5 to 10 years everything 
will need rebedding -- not fun or easy). 

Any bent stanchions or pulpits?

If the deck is balsa cored, and if you can see the underside of the deck 
around fittings, look for discolored balsa (eg, black). This indicates 
rot and water in the balsa. If the deck is cored, is it deformed under 
any fittings? This indicates that the core has been crushed. Any stress 
cracking of the gelcoat, especially around stanchions, genoa tracks, 
etc?

Does everything work? Lights, pumps, electronics, stove, etc.

Is everything on the inventory actually on the boat or actually exist?

Do all winches, blocks, cleats, etc, have substantial backing plates?

Any signs of corrosion in the wiring? Are there enough circuit breakers? 
(I'd avoid fuses.) Is all the wiring neatly cabled and supported?

And so on.

1150.3surveyingILO::TFOOTEThu Mar 16 1989 10:0032
    I am not familiar with the C&C yachts but basically the survey would
    be the same for all.
    Here in Ireland professional survey's don't come cheap and before
    engaging in one you would need to be pretty sure that you are close
    to buying and really looking for confirmation that there are no
    serious hidden defects which you may have overlooked yourself.
    I have just bought a Comfort 30,Swedish design from 1974.So have
    been through the survey route.
    I looked at quite a number of boats,some of which gave themselves
    away very readily symply from the way they had been looked after.
    Look for any hull irregularities ,stress cracks or star crazing
    particularly in the way of chain plates etc. If you are lucky shemay
    have been cleaned off well below the waterline which will enable
    you to at least pick up signs of wicking or osmosis.
    When walking on balsa cored decks,evidence of creaking underfoot
    is an indication of delamination from the balsa core.
    Clean bilges and engine are the sign of a careful owner.
    Check the free movement of seacocks and for signs of corrosion or
    weakness in skin fittings.
    check for excessive play in rudder bearings and propellor shaft.
    look for rust streaking from an iron keel joint.There  may be keel
    bolt corrosion. You may be able to have them x-rayed rather than
    drawn.
    I would also suggest you inspect the internal chain plate fixings
    for adequate bonding etc.
    I have just skimmed the surface,but hopefully it is something for
    you to proceed from.
    Good luck,
    Regards,
    Tom