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1144.1 | Heat ? | CHEFS::GOUGHP | Pete Gough @REO 830-6603 | Wed Mar 08 1989 04:54 | 11 |
| Brian,
A lump hammer will shatter it all quite nicely as a last
resort..........and then you can replace the lot.!!!!!!!!!
However if you have access to a power source try gently heating
the area with something like a Black & Decker stripper. Gently heat
and keep trying to free it up. It worked rather well on a neighbours
boat to free a stainless stanchion out of an Ali base.
Good luck Pete
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1144.2 | another solution | MSCSSE::BERENS | Alan Berens | Wed Mar 08 1989 08:59 | 16 |
| re .0:
If brute force doesn't work, you're not using enough of it! If the
screws heads sheer off, so be it. With a bit of care, you can drill out
the broken off screw. The threads in the aluminum casting are most
likely corroded beyond use anyway. There is available in the US (and I
would assume in the UK) something called a Heli-Coil. It is a stainless
steel threaded insert. Drill the old screw holes out, drill oversize
with the Heli-Coil tap drill, tap the hole, coat the Heli-Coil with the
proper anti-corrosion stuff (liquid zinc chromate or Never-Seize), and
screw in the Heli-Coil. Any machine shop can do this. The Heli-Coil will
be stronger than the original tapped aluminum hole and the corrosion
problem of stainless steel screws in aluminum goes away. (Heli-Coils
meet all sorts of military specifications and are really neat things.
I've used them several times.)
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1144.3 | Boats love to become batteries | GIAMEM::KEENAN | | Wed Mar 08 1989 12:52 | 26 |
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Galvanic corrosion inhibitors work in four basic ways:
1. Set up a voltage potential to stop electron flow from
the anode to the cathode (not very practical).
2. Eliminate the liquid eloctrolyte (salt water). Good luck with this
one on a sailboat.
3. Insulate the anode from the cathode.
4. Introduce a sacrificial metal into the electrical circuit such
as zinc. Would you believe that approx. 25% of the weight of an
oil drilling rig is sacrificial metal!
Re .2
What is the life of the zinc based corrosion inhibitor you
mentioned for the helicoil. Considering that aluminum and stainless
are such a strong galvanic pair, I wondering how long it would take for
the zinc to be consumed. Have you used it in a very wet environment?
-Paul
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1144.4 | | MSCSSE::BERENS | Alan Berens | Wed Mar 08 1989 13:05 | 14 |
| re .3:
Actually, stainless and aluminum aren't that bad (just don't use
passivated stainless steel). Corrosion happens when salt water gets into
the screw threads. The liquid zinc chromate (which has a Mil Spec
number) is apparently effective (I actually haven't tried it).
Never-Seize is effective -- I just easily removed some stainless screws
from an aluminum boom fitting (no Heli-Coil) that hadn't been removed in
maybe three years. No corrosion. Also effective is low technology
anhydrous lanolin (available from better sheep everywhere) -- I use this
frequently for lubricating stainless screws in aluminum and for turnbuckle
threads. Just coating the screw threads with something like BoatLife is
also fairly effective. Nothing absolutely prevents corrosion.
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1144.5 | Got 'em! | AYOU17::NAYLOR | Drive a Jaguar, fly a Cheetah | Mon Mar 13 1989 05:57 | 25 |
| Well, I got them out without shearing - or brute force. As it happens,
the helicoils wouldn't have worked as an idea because of the design
I'll try to draw it :
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| | Mast
| _ _ |
|| | <- Tabs ->| ||
|---- ----| Screw into tab welded
|| | | || onto foot
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| | Foot
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| | | |
---- ----
The tabs aren't think enough to take a helicoil so I guess it was
the soaking in WD40 and penetrating oil for a few days and then
slight heating and a BIG screwdriver into enlarged screw slots that
did it - fortunately. Now all I need is to persuade the manufacturer
to repair it quickly for launching in 2 weeks!
Brian
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1144.6 | a through bolt? | MSCSSE::BERENS | Alan Berens | Mon Mar 13 1989 08:48 | 11 |
| Oh crikey, why not drill out the holes slightly and use a through bolt?
This would avoid the problem of threading aluminum completely.
By the way, Heli-Coils come in various lengths (usually 1, 1.5, and 2
times the screw diameter). If the tab is thick enough to thread, it is
thick enough for a Heli-Coil. A 1.5 times diameter length Heli-Coil in
aluminum is (more or less) strong enough that the screw or bolt will
shear when overtightened -- that is, the Heli-Coil won't pull out of the
aluminum.
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1144.7 | corrosion in outbaord motor bracket | UNIFIX::FRENCH | Bill French 381-1859 | Wed May 12 1993 10:18 | 34 |
| Check your outboard motor tilt brackets, especially if they are the
aluminum and stainless "fresh water types" rather than all stainless.
I have the "fresh water type, and my (sail)boat has spent 1-2 weeks in
salt water each of the last 4 years. The rest of the time (8 years) it
has been in Lake Winnipesaukee. I believe the manufacturer is Eez-In.
Although I thought that I washed my boat off well at the end of the
salt water period each year, apparently I did not - or salt water is
even more destructive to dissimilar metals than I realized.
In any case, there are aluminum spacers on the stainless steel bolts that
pass thru the "L-brackets" mounted to the hull, where the pivoting arms
attach. These spacers also act as bushings for the coil springs that
help counter balance the weight of the motor.
I decided it was time to disassemble the outboard bracket and attempt
to stop any salt water damage that had occurred.
I found that 3 of the 4 spacers/bushings were split / corroded into
3 or 4 pieces. As a result, I am replacing them with pieces of 3/4" pvc
pipe which have been filled with silica filled epoxy and bored out to
the required diameter. I will also keep the bracket well coated with
Boeshield while in and around salt water (2 weeks on Penobscot Bay)
this summer.
Those of you who have this type of outbaord bracket should check these
bushings carefully - you should be able to see them under the coil
springs without disassembly. It does take about 6 hands to reassamble.
Bill
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