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Conference unifix::sailing

Title:SAILING
Notice:Please read Note 2.* before participating in this conference
Moderator:UNIFIX::BERENS
Created:Wed Jul 01 1992
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2299
Total number of notes:20724

1063.0. "Topping Lifts" by MPGS::KTISTAKIS (Mike K.) Mon Dec 12 1988 13:47

    Yesterday I finish reading Eric Hiscock's Sou'west and at the end
    of the book,where he gives the specks of Wanderer IV,I believe on
    page 218 he states that...."Both Topping lifts are from Nylon"
    Now I always thought that the past 3 years I was learning something
    about sailing from USPS and CG Auxiliary and this file of sailing
    notes and till last night I would bet that you only can use Dacron.
    But when Eric Hiscock says Nylon Topping lift I feel like let's for-
    get what I have learn and start from the beginning.On the other hand
    I can imaging my topping lift -if it was from nylon- to be like a
    yo-yo as it stetches when the boat Hobby-horse.
    Am I missing something here or it is O.K to use Nylon Topping lift
    after you accumilate 30 years of experience.Frankly I wish it is a typo
    on the book to keep back the little confidence I have that I am
    learning something.

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1063.1use a rubber band if it worksCADSYS::SCHUMANNSay NO to bugsMon Dec 12 1988 14:139
>    But when Eric Hiscock says Nylon Topping lift I feel like let's for-
>    get what I have learn and start from the beginning.On the other hand
>    I can imaging my topping lift -if it was from nylon- to be like a
>    yo-yo as it stetches when the boat Hobby-horse.

If the boom doesn't hit you on the head, why not??

--RS

1063.2Saved by the gallowsCDR::SPENCERJohn SpencerTue Dec 13 1988 12:455
...and the Hiscocks had a boom gallows on Wanderer IV.  That helps one 
worry less about stretching a nylon t.l.

J.

1063.3Adding my 2cents.STEREO::LEVINETue Dec 13 1988 19:3414
    Well, I don't have 30 years experience, but I think I learned a
    bit from my own mistakes...and more knowledgeable tars.  With any
    rigging made of rope tails, you want something that will withstand
    sun and salt [presumably you are on the ocean].  Then you care about
    maintaining the wind in your sails...so you want halyards that won't
    stretch everytime you raise you mainsail or jibs; you want a mainsheet
    that won't stretch evrytime you 'tweek' you sails for a quarter
    knot of speed or a half degree on the rose and give you casue to
    lose your footing in the cockpitpit or the companio.   Now, what
    is the task of the topping lift?  Essentially to keep the boom off
    your head.  Does it matter if it stretches a little bit?  I don't
    think so--so if nylon is handier nas less expensive, use it.  If
    not then use dacron.  Either one is good for avoiding rot.ay

1063.4Thanks.MPGS::KTISTAKISMike K.Thu Dec 29 1988 11:2215
    O.K. I heared....The topping lift can be either nylon or
    dacron.Thanks!! In my case I decided to replace my 1/4"dacron topping
    lift with a 7/16" dacron for the following reasons-please don't
    hesitate to let me know if I am screwing up.-
    a. Increase in thicknes in case I ever need to support the backstay,or
    replace broken backstay before mast fall
    b. Use dacron instead of nylon because I don't have boom gallows and 
    there is a clip snap on the topping lift which clips on the backstay 
    holding the boom stationary when not in use.The boat hobey horses like
    crazy on the mooring and if I use nylon,because of the elasticity the
    clip will overtravel on the backstay with obviously result to brake and
    cause demage to the boom.
    Any inputs? Do I learn or not? Need to the boat is in and the knowledge
    is not.

1063.5MSCSSE::BERENSAlan BerensThu Dec 29 1988 11:3823
re 4:

Our topping lift and main halyard are interchangeable -- same diameter,
same shackles, and led through sheet stoppers to the same winch. This
allows the topping lift to be used as the main halyard (should the main
halyard break or somehow go up the mast -- both of which are more likely
than breaking the backstay). You might want to consider doing the same. 

I'm not in favor of clipping the topping lift or boom to the backstay 
when moored. This puts a small sideways load on the backstay, and even 
small loads can eventually cause failure through fatigue. Our toppping 
lift is attached to the outer end of the boom and supports the boom when 
moored. The boom is kept from swinging from side to side by lines from 
the boom to each side of the deck. When pulled tight, this is very 
effective at immobilizing the boom. 

We also use two mechanical vangs/preventers when sailing -- one to each 
genoa track. When reefing the mailsail, the boom is raised to the 
appropriate height with topping lift and then both vangs are pulled 
tight. This is as effective at immobilizing the boom as a boom gallows 
and has been satisfactory even reefing in a gale (it is also much 
cheaper than a gallows).

1063.6make sure it fits!CADSYS::SCHUMANNSay NO to bugsThu Dec 29 1988 14:336
re .3

Before you buy the larger line, make sure the sheave will accomodate it!

--RS