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Conference unifix::sailing

Title:SAILING
Notice:Please read Note 2.* before participating in this conference
Moderator:UNIFIX::BERENS
Created:Wed Jul 01 1992
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2299
Total number of notes:20724

1018.0. "Extended cruising advice?" by CHEFS::GOUGHP (Pete Gough @REO) Wed Oct 19 1988 13:53

    In a few years time it would be great to take a year off and go
    cruising rather than say the normal 3 week annual holiday and weekends
    during the season. Anybody out there done this? If how about giving
    some advice on type of boat say for the Med, How you funded the
    year , What steps you took in planning for the year. I am an
    experianced cruiser with plenty of reasonable length passages under
    my belt ie 30 hours at the start of the annual pilgrimage.... Also
    the other half quite likes the idea of an extended cruise and is
    also a competant sailor.
    
    Pete

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1018.1SALEM::DHILLRound up all the usual suspectsThu Oct 20 1988 15:235
    See the latest issue of "Cruising World".  It has a multi-page
    article on cruising around the North Atlantic high; including
    chart numbers and suggested dates to leave ports on both sides
    of the pond.

1018.2some thoughtsMSCSSE::BERENSAlan BerensThu Oct 20 1988 18:4470
re .0:

A very interesting question. I too have considered taking an extended 
time off from work (a year or two) to go voyaging. Deciding whether or 
not to do so is very difficult. Much depends on your personal financial 
situation and your willingness to accept risk.

Among the financial and other considerations:

The cost of buying a suitable boat (if you don't already own one).

The cost of overhauling the boat and its equipment. Unless you buy a new 
boat, some preventive maintenance and replacement will be needed to
ensure everything is reliable for a year of continuous use. As an
example, our diesel engine is nine years old and has had some 900 hours
of running. I feel no need to replace it for normal summer weekend
sailing and an annual three or four week cruise. If I were going
cruising for a year, I'd replace it to ensure reliability. (One
liveaboard couple I talked to uses their engine about 1000 hours per
year and they do the kind of sailing I'd do.) My VHF radio is eleven 
years old. How much longer will it be reliable, I wonder.

The cost of equipping your boat. If you are going to live aboard and
possibly make extended passages, you'll need significantly more
equipment and spares than you might otherwise need. These might include
ground tackle (multiple anchors and rodes, windlass), engine parts (drive
belts, water pump impellers, fuel injectors, etc), electronics (SSB,
satnav, weatherfax), self-steering (electric autopilot, windvane), life
raft, charts, etc. Regardless of what you feel you need the cost will be
significant. It would be easy to exceed $20 000. 

Insurance. Unless your boat is fully paid for, the mortgage holder will 
insist on insurance. Insurance for extended voyaging in foreign waters 
is, if available, expensive, so expensive that many if not most long 
term voyagers either can't afford it or decide not to afford it. Being 
uninsured means serious financial risk if a major portion of your wealth 
is your boat and its equipment. Being uninsured also means you may be 
extremely reluctant to leave the boat more than briefly or to trust its 
care to someone else and also means you will have to be an extremely 
cautious sailor. 

Living expenses. Food, clothing, entertainment, boat repairs, customs 
fees, marinas, etc. The cost of living really depends on your life
style. The liveaboards I talked to recently live frugally on about $9000
per year (the decision to eat at a cheap restaurant is one discussed 
at great length). 

Job. Will you have one when you return? How long will it take to find 
one when you return? For example, my manager has indicated that he would
be unlikely to approve a leave of absence from DEC. Well, maybe, just
maybe he'd approve three months, but not longer. So, I am faced with the
choice of resigning from DEC to go sailing. This has very significant
financial and career implications. As a middle manager, DEC pays me
adequately. I fear I'd have trouble finding an equally good job in less
than several months of looking. So I'd need to have enough money for 
living expenses while job hunting after returning.

House. If you own one, who will look after it while you're gone? If you 
rent it, who will manage the tenants? 

Emergencies. You might want to have a significant emergency fund 
(perhaps $5000 to $10 000) for medical and boat disasters.

How much will a year of sailing cost? My personal estimate for me was 
very roughly $50 000 plus paying off the boat mortgage. The used boat 
market now is such that you'd be lucky to sell the boat for less than a 
substantial loss should you decide to or have to sell it when you 
return. 


1018.3"Romance"CAM2::DAMONFri Oct 21 1988 18:0035
    Good points all - Alan... 
    
    I believe it all comes down to how daring you are - how much risk
    will you accept. Self-insurance is the name of the game. 
    
    You could skip lots of the electronics if you had confidence and
    expertise in simpler tools. (Sextant & leadline - that's what we used
    on "Romance".)  Hand sew your own sails (you'll have the time if you
    plan ahead). (More... in this area...)
    
    Job. I believe the P&P manual has some guidelines for personal leaves
    that make a circumnavigation (2 yr) trip during a leave impossible.
    Atlantic High trip - maybe. I left and came back. Again - assumed
    risk. The earlier in a career the easier (vacation, retirement, etc.).
    
    House/family/dog, etc. The fewer the easier (obviously). A friend
    of mine has just started on a 1 year trip with his family from Maine
    to the Bahamas and back on a Sabre 42. He was a partner in a yacht
    brokerage firm (small one in Maine), with 2 kids 8 & 10, who found
    a couple to rent his house and a manager should something go wrong.
    He's also got someone picking up mail & "handling his affairs".
    
    It's a classic question of the sooner the better. If you're thinking
    of it and you've got the qualities (expertise, persistance, patience,
    inovative, clever, lucky, etc.) and can assume LOTS of risk, do
    it - now!
    
    Peter
    
    P.S. One other thing Alan didn't mention - customs, etc. fees, oil
    prices, etc., have skyrocketed since the window of my experience -
    '75 - '77.

    

1018.4"experience speaks?"LDP::PARKERMon Oct 24 1988 13:3724
    I agree with the "sooner the better" and "it is a big risk" so here's
    what we (wife and 1 1/2 year old daughter did.
    
    Sold the house to pay for the boat. DON'T GO IF YOU OWE!"
    
    Had my brother in law cover us on his companies group insurance
    plan for health benefits and dropped the boat coverage because of
    the expence. Riskey but nothing happened.
    
    Saved $10,ooo and said we would return when it was gone. In 1978
    this took 10 months and by the end of that time we were watching
    every penny. This did include a rather large boat expense but......
    
    Both quit our jobs. My wife was fortunate to get her old job back
    and I took the bus to my interview with DEC.
    
    We brought aboard canned goods for 6 months and renewed them half
    way through.
    
    And yes I would do it again and more slowly this time but the bank
    wants it's money and it's only 12 years and 3 payments to go. I
    can't sell the house this time cause we live on the boat now.
                             

1018.5Tr.atl. in 3 monthHAEXLI::PMAIERTue Dec 06 1988 04:0326
    Have you considered following:
    
    I have 5 weeks of holiday a year.I plan to leave Genova in Italy
    during summer 1991 and move the boat to Gibraltar and then to
    the Canary Islands.Should be possible to do in 5 weeks.(1700 nm)
    You could do the same from the UK to the Canary Island.Same distance.
    
    Then I fly home and return end of November 1991.For the next 5 weeks
    I need unpaid leave + 5 weeks holiday of 1992. 6 weeks for crossing 
    the Atlantic should be sufficent even for my "bathtube".That brings me
    to Barbados in 1992.I plan to ship my boat home as deckcargo.Its
    cheaper then loosing my job and sail the boat home.(My wife gets 1991
    1 mounth additional holiday for beeing 15 years at the same job)
    
    The only open question is:how to ship from Barbados.Venezuela is an
    other possibility.
    
    1992 is the large Transatlantic Race from Palos in Spain to New York
    to repeat the journy (sp?)of Christoph Columbus.
    
    To prevent somebody else leaving the Canary Islands with my boat,I plan
    to remove the injectors from my engine and rent a safe in a bank to
    deposit the boatelectronic and the sextant.
    
    Peter