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Conference unifix::sailing

Title:SAILING
Notice:Please read Note 2.* before participating in this conference
Moderator:UNIFIX::BERENS
Created:Wed Jul 01 1992
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2299
Total number of notes:20724

970.0. "Life Without TBT" by VBV01::HJOHNSON () Wed Sep 07 1988 10:16

    The stinging nettles have left The Bay as rapidly as they appeared,
    and that allowed me to check the bottom of Second Wind for the first
    time since she was hauled last March.  The bottom was painted with
    Woosley blue copper.
    
    Except for the bottom of the keel, there were no barnacles.  The
    bottom of the keel seems to have had the paint removed by bottom
    action.  I did however, have a heavy buildup of algae scum for the
    first two to three feet down.  I guess the light did not allow for
    growth below that depth.  With the TBT, I never had such a heavy
    buildup such as this year.  Of course it was a hot summer and the
    water did get a bit warmer than usual (78).
    
    I did something new this year.  I put zinc cromate primer, then
    bottom paint on the shaft and prop ( on all but the zinc on the
    shaft).  This seems to be working great.  There were no barnacles
    or growth on these items.  I usually have to clean them two or three
    times a season.  There were no signs of electrolysis either.
    
    The scum was fairly easy to remove with a nylon scouring sponge
    leaving the bottom looking just painted.  
    
    How is the rest of the world doing in this life without TBT ?
    

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970.1Interlux Micron CSCECADSR::FINNERTYWed Sep 07 1988 21:1021
    
    I tried the Interlux Micron CSC this year, and have had good
    results.  Back this spring in the "how smooth is smooth enough?"
    note somebody mentioned that the old Interlux 33 wouldn't quite
    last a full season and the 44 worked well but would rub right
    off if you touched it.  Micron CSC appears to be formulated
    just about like the old 44.
    
    Back sometime in July I noticed just a small amount of slime
    on the rudder extending about 4" below the waterline.  It wiped
    off easily, but so did the paint!
    
    A couple of weeks ago I took a dive to look underneath and it
    looked very clean with the exception of about 4" on the
    rudder, which could use a little more paint ;)     
    
    All in all, I'm very pleased with the results.
    
       - jim
    

970.2Micron CSC working well so farAYOU17::NAYLORDrive a Jaguar, fly a CheetahThu Sep 08 1988 05:3111
    Club Wine was done with CSC in early April and has been used very
    little this year (moved house instead!!!) but the results so far
    are encouraging.  Last year there was quite a build-up of slime
    and algae after a few weeks alone in the marina, and this year is
    certainly no worse (last year I used cruiser copolymer TBT).  the
    only complaint I do have is that the blue line of exposed antifouling
    that sits out of the water clashes with her deep maroon hull colour!
    
    Brian
    

970.3EMASA2::HOTue Sep 27 1988 11:0828
    Life without TBTF is greatly improved, for the barnacles.  For the
    first time I've actually had barnacles growing on the bottom that
    could not be removed with my long handled nylon scrubber.  I usually
    clean every week and what little growth occurs comes off easily.
    My usual routine had little effect this past weekend.  Frustrated,
    I jumped in and tried to clean the barnacles off with a hand scrubber.
    Despite the unusually warm weather in New England this summer, the
    water temperature doesn't seem to have gone up one bit.  I got about
    three feet of hull done before hypothermia set in.  Had to drive
    all the way home with the car heater on high to stop shivering.
    
    Returing the next morning with a divers dry suit, which leaked,
    I resumed cleaning but ran out of time and energy.  The boatspeed
    problems we had during the race that afternoon indicate that more
    cleaning was needed.  An identical boat moored next to mine has
    its bottom painted with some TBTF based paint that the owner saved
    from last year.  He was cleaning his bottom at the same time I was
    and encontered no unusual growth.   He finished ahead of me in the
    race too.
    
    In the absence of a breakthrough in biocide chemistry, it looks
    like the only substitute for TBTF is going to be a wet suit and
    weight belt.
    
    - gene ho
    
    

970.4MSCSSE::BERENSAlan BerensTue Sep 27 1988 12:1312
How ecology minded are you? My local lumberyard sells a mildewcide for 
use in exterior house paint. The label says it contains TBT. Methinks 
that an unethical person could create a more effective bottom paint than
can now be purchased at your local chandlery. Mind you, I haven't tried
this approach. 

Has anybody else tried using Starbrite Compound X in his/her bottom 
paint? We used it this year (in the same paint we used last year) and 
there seem to be less slime on our bottom this year. Not exactly a 
conclusive test, however.


970.5My Expereince with Micron CSCSALEM::MCWILLIAMSThu Oct 13 1988 09:1637
    Well we hauled Freudian Sloop last week, and here's what happened for
    the season; 
    
    This spring I over coated the TBT loaded RULE GRAF-COTE with Micron
    CSC, after sanding down the GRAF-COTE. I was worried since the Micron
    CSC has a warning about over coating graphite based paints. Several
    calls to Micron's maker yielded a lot of conflicting information,
    (their technical department really wasn't that helpful), but the
    consensus was that since GRAF-COTE was a hard finish, there shouldn't
    be too much of a problem. 
    
    When she came out there wasn't much slime on the bottom that was
    painted. The boot stripe was a mess with weed, even though I scrubbed
    it twice during the season, but that was probably because I was up
    before the no-wake zone and was getting a lot of wake and wave that was
    keeping the boot stripe wet, thus promoting growth. 
    
    I had complete erosion of the paint at the bow from the waterline down
    about 8-12 inchesand back about 6-8 inches. Micron CSC warned that the
    paint should be applied heavily to leading surfaces, and it seems
    that 3 coats weren't enough. (It should be mentioned that I moored
    in the Merrimac so there was always water moving past my bow).
    
    On the port side about 6-12 inches below the water line and three feet
    from the bow I had three patches about 8 inches by 4 inches where the
    adhesion of the Micron CSC completely failed, and it is missing. This
    area could be where the mooring ball rubbed against the boat at tide
    changes, but it is also interesting to note that the GRAF-COTE below is
    also completely missing - so it could have been an adhesion failure. 
    
    To sum it up the bottom looked as good or better than when I used the
    GRAF-COTE. I will have to coat the leading edge of the bow much heavier
    than I did last spring. The places where the paint did not hold well I
    will grind down and recoat and hope for the best. 
    
    /jim