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855.1 | Learn in small steps. | BPOV07::LORD | | Tue May 31 1988 16:58 | 18 |
| Nothing builds confidence more than learning how to control the
boat, and understanding what forces are acting on it. A few years
ago my 16 year old step-daughter was scared to death any time the
boat (17' O-day centerboarder) heeled a bit. So I gave her the
main sheet and said let out the sheet when you think the boat is
heeling to much. Her confidence improved minute by minute and soon
she was having fun. I guess the point here is to learn in small
managable steps, whatever you are comfortable with. I think learning
to sail with the main alone first is a good idea. It's one less
thing to worry about. The sail slamming against the rigging is
usually caused by not having the main sheet cleated down.
Hope this helps.
Bill
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855.2 | Go back to Coastal | BPOV07::LORD | | Tue May 31 1988 17:00 | 4 |
| Also, Coastal will probably give you a refresher course. How much
he will charge is another question.
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855.3 | I will Pass on the refresher | HYEND::SVAILLANT | | Tue May 31 1988 17:35 | 4 |
| .2 Burt is expensive and I just don't want to go back to him again.
I did not enjoy his course very much.
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855.4 | | GORP::MARCOTTE | George Marcotte SWS Santa Clara | Tue May 31 1988 18:36 | 6 |
| I am just getting into sailing too. I am afraid my wife will get
too nervous about sailing so we are going to take lessens and join
a club before taking the big plunge into ownership.
I agree with .1 knowing whats happening and why helps.
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855.5 | Try finding some experienced help ... | GRAMPS::BAILEY | May the 4 winds blow u safely home | Tue May 31 1988 18:46 | 30 |
| What about sailing friends? Are you a member of a yacht club?
If so, perhaps you can find some more experienced sailors to go
out sailing with you while you build your confidence. They might
be able to show you how to use your sails and steer your boat such
that you don't have to push it too much. And it is usually a good
idea to stay close to home till you get a little confidence built.
Remember, fear usually makes things seem a lot worse than they really
are. If the boat heels a little too much, you can usually do something
to remedy the situation. Like letting the mainsail out to spill
air, or turning upwind, or reefing the main so that you have less
sail area to power you along. And while it's true that sometimes
the charts don't show all the rocks, it's usually safe if you stay
well away from islands and areas shown as low water on the charts,
especially if you're sailing in well populated waters.
I'd recommend few things. First, like I said above, try to find
some experienced sailors to go out with you a few times. And also,
learn more about why things happen the way they do on a sailboat.
There's a lot of literature out that can be helpful, especially
if you've already taken a sailing course and just need a refresher.
And don't push your boat, but trust it a little. A Pearson 28 isn't
exactly a dinghy, they're fairly seaworthy as harbor cruisers go.
So you don't have to feel like it's going to tip over on you, at
least not any reasonable kind of sailing weather. The rest is just
practice. It's like driving or skiing, the more you do it the more
confident you feel in the equipment. After a while the things that
worry or frighten you now become a source of enjoyment and challenge.
... Bob
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855.6 | sounds like my past | MSCSSE::BERENS | Alan Berens | Tue May 31 1988 18:58 | 44 |
| re .0:
I read your note with wry amusement -- sounds like us oh so many years
ago! The first year we owned a boat we spent a beautiful Labor Day
weekend on our mooring because the 15 to 20 knot winds frightened us so
much.
We limited our early sailing adventures to short trips on days when
light winds and calm seas were forecast. We stayed fairly near
Marblehead (where we kept the boat) so that if the weather did change
we'd be near safety. I still remember the wonderful sense of
accomplishment we felt at sailing from Marblehead to Gloucester (10 or
12 miles) and back the same day. We finally felt like sailors. Sailing
competence is acquired slowly, a little at a time. Don't be discouraged
if things go wrong or you make mistakes. That is to be expected. Try to
understand what you should have done, and go on to learning something
else. If you keep doing something a little more daring, something that
pushes your limits just a little, soon you will find that your abilities
and confidence have increased greatly. The second Labor Day weekend we
owned a boat we began our first cruise to Maine.
Will the nervousness ever go away? No, it probably won't. What will
happen is that the wind and sea conditions that make you uncomfortable
will become worse and worse -- that is, you will begin to feel relaxed
in good weather and only apprehensive in not so good weather. Again, 20
knot winds once really worried me -- now 20 knots is glorious fun and 40
is worrisome. One of the pleasures of sailing is that there is so much
to learn. We've been sailing our current boat since the spring of 1980
and I'm still learning about how it behaves and how to sail comfortably
on long passages.
If you can, find an experienced sailor to sail with you for a day or a
weekend. Ask this person what he/she would do to make your boat safer
and easier to sail. Look at boats like yours to see how they are rigged.
Boats fresh from the builder (I'm obviously assuming you have a new
boat) usually aren't quite right. Where do you keep your boat?
Finally, believe the charts. They are accurate. The problem is knowing
where you are. But you probably didn't want to hear that (smile).
Have fun, but be careful.
Alan
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855.7 | Sail In Company ? | CHEFS::GOUGHP | Pete Gough @REO (7)-830-6603 | Wed Jun 01 1988 04:51 | 18 |
| Five years ago my wife had never sailed other than the odd day out
with me in dingys..... She was extremely nervous in our early days.
Some suggestions for you.
Several yachting schools run courses designed for sailing wives, they
seem to be beneficial. We now share the skippering of our yacht
(The same size as yours).
Our Yact Club most weekends have several "Cruise In Company" going to
various destinations. To sail in company is a great way of building
experiance safely and a lot of fun. The ability to talk to someone on
a radio if you have a problem etc is very reassuring.
I hope you will get as much pleasure out of your yacht as the rest
of us.
Pete
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855.8 | | 3D::GINGER | | Wed Jun 01 1988 10:17 | 18 |
| Two specific suggestions in earlier replies that I dissagree with.
1) "Sail with only the Main". This will leave the boat unbalanced,
and it will sail poorly. You will get less drive and probably about
the same heal, making things very uncomfortable. Sail with a small
jib and main. You want the boat behaving at its best.
2) "Stay close to shore".
One of your big worries is rocks, so get out in the open where you can
concentrate on sailing the boat without worrying about the rocks.
Of course Im not suggesting you head for England, but get a couple
miles straight out to sea, then sail around until you get more
comfortable with the sailing.
I would suggest your best bet is to learn to sail in a dinghy first.
There you can develop a real feel for whats happening, and better
understand and control the forces involved.
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855.9 | Sharks LOVE 28 footers | AKOV12::DJOHNSTON | | Wed Jun 01 1988 10:44 | 22 |
| I, for one think a little nervousness is a healthy thing in learning
something new like sailing. It encourages caution and hightens
the senses allowing you to absorb more information and recall it.
Panic has no use at all. So don't feel bad.
The best advice I've seen here is to get experienced friends to
go out with you. However, don't let the experienced ones do all
the work. Force yourself and your husband to do most of it with
the friend(s) as coach. Also keep in mind that under most
circumstances you simply will not get hurt by making mistakes.
Even going aground is something that happens to ALL sailors eventually
and is usually no big deal.
Two things you will need to know how to do are read a compass and
tell where the wind is coming from. Get a book or join something
like Community Boating in Boston to practice these skills. As others
have already noted, experience will come and with it, confidence.
Sailing is way too expensive not to have fun!
Dave
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855.10 | | CASV01::THOMAS_E | | Wed Jun 01 1988 10:56 | 37 |
| Couple things...
Note 134 has a pretty good discussion about overcoming sailing fears.
It starts off with catamarans but progresses to more general
discussion.
Let me second the comments in -.1!!!
Do you have tell-tales? If not get them and put them on before you
leave the mooring again. I'm a tell-tale sailor and believe very
strongly in them. They give you a very clear picture of what the
wind is doing.
Assuming you're out in clear water - don't worry about compass
direction. Sail the boat to the wind.
Hand-held compass for bearings. Get one, I've been using a Davis
model for years to take bearings on buoys and landmarks to get
positions. Big comfort factor especially in unfamiliar water.
Charts. Believe 'em! Sam spends a lot of our monies making sure
they're accurate. If you have a good idea where you are - go right
up to a buoy - turn the depth sounder on and compare the depths
on the chart to what your sounder is showing. Remember the depths
you see will usually be greater because charts show depth at low
water. check the chart to verify that. Also try to get a waterproof
chart of your sailing area. you won't worry as much about getting
it wet.
Please tell us where you sail. Somebody (experienced of course :-)!)
here may be able to spend some time with you.
Above all.... Hang in there and keep sailing. We're all pulling
for you.
Ed
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855.11 | | CASV01::THOMAS_E | | Wed Jun 01 1988 11:00 | 6 |
| re my .10 I was referring to .8's comments
Dave, I don't believe the title you put on .9 :-)!
Ed
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855.12 | In Little Harbor | AIMHI::STOWELL | | Wed Jun 01 1988 11:20 | 17 |
|
I would guess by the time you have read all these suggestions, that
you may be all screwed up. I don't have any more suggestions, but
if you sail in the Little Harbor (Portsmouth) area, I would be glad
to help you out. There are a lot of good suggestions and bad ones
as well (but well intentioned) throughout these comments. I have
been sailing for nine years, and I have a lot to learn as well.
I usually learn something new every time out. Sailing is always
a learning experience.
Don't stay on the mooring, you can only learn how to drink on the
moring, and I would suspect you didn't buy a boat for that.
Bob
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855.13 | Your past is my present | HYEND::SVAILLANT | | Wed Jun 01 1988 11:20 | 18 |
| .6 Thanks for the support and words of encouragement. I am going
to give it another try this weekend - weather permitting.
We sail out of South Freeport, Maine. Actually, the harbor
is fairly well protected and Casco Bay is large enought that
we should NOT have to get into the open ocean for the remainder
of the season.
And NO, I didn't smile when you asked about "know where you
are" - I find that most islands look alike when your out on
the water.
But I will give it time. And yes, we do have friends in the
same area that have offered (and we will take them up on it)
to sail with us.
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855.14 | Nervous Reply | HYEND::SVAILLANT | | Wed Jun 01 1988 11:32 | 6 |
| .10 We sail out of S. Freeport, Maine. And as a mater of fact one
of the guy in Stow has a boat (35') up there, we will get together
with them - SOON.
Thanks for the encouragement.
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855.15 | Step by Step | CAMELS::MCGARRY | | Fri Jun 03 1988 17:43 | 45 |
|
I have chartered a Pearson 28 out of Marblehead and found
they are a well built and rigged boat. We sailed it over to
P-town and back one long weekend, it handled great.
Some suggestions,
Learn to read the chart of your area, land markings, water
marks, and look at your depth meter both at high tide and
at low tide. You can do this by just sitting in the cockpit
if you want at your slip or mooring. I like airplane
photo graphs of the area if possible. (located in some
cruising guides).
Learn to motor your boat around these areas first if you
are in a bay area. You will learn how far the boat slides
forward when you stop the motor, how well it turns in close
areas and how the boat feels with the sail down.
Learn how the boat sails in light winds with just the main
then learn how to reef the main down to the first reef points
then reef down to the second points. Next just unroll the jib
and see how the boat moves, faster than the main and handles
easier. Get to know how all of the lines on the boat work
by their selfs and then how they work together. You can do all
of this in a large bay.
I agree with the other notes, if you know of other experinced
sailors take them along to show you how a boat sails.
Remember to take things slowly, and do them over and over
again until you feel confortable doing them and they work
for you. If it is too windy out just relax onboard, you have
all summer to enjoy good weather. When you do go out try and
go out with other boats, they will help build your confidence
and aid you if a problem occurs.
Good Luck this summer, you have bought a good crusing sailboat
and all you have to do is get to know each, this will take
a number of sailing seasons so don't rush it, take your
time and enjoy it.
richard
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855.16 | Nervous getting there | HYEND::SVAILLANT | | Tue Jun 07 1988 16:13 | 7 |
| .15 Thanks for the suggestions. I/we have put some into practice
and find taking it slowly really does help w/the confidence
area.
Sandy
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855.17 | Keep Plugging, you'll get there... | GALAGR::MOODY | Software - support = Mushware | Tue Jun 07 1988 17:52 | 23 |
| Sandy,
Some advice from a second time novice. LEARN TO SAIL FOR
YOURSELF! Make yourself a skipper too, and wrestle for the
tiller [could get kinky but fun].
(although I haven't convinced my alter ego to do this, I'm trying).
I joined a local sailing club and am relearning (after 20 odd
years) to sail. First year - if the tell-tails on the rigging
were horizontal I drank coffee on the dock. Second year - "What
not enough wind to hike out on the seat backs?? Darn, Oh well.."
I'm actually having fun now! The only way to get rid of the
belly-wobbles is to know what is going on and be able to do
anything your partner can. Go as often as you feel comfortable,
look, learn, ask questions, READ, DO and (hopefully) ENJOY. I
loved sailing the first time round, and do again but it took some
time. Remember what riding a bike was like? SCARED TO DEATH FOR
THE FIRST 3 WEEKS!!!
have fun,
Greg
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855.18 | ex | HYEND::SVAILLANT | | Wed Jun 08 1988 12:20 | 12 |
| .17 Thanks, Greg. All of support you "sailors" have offered
had done great things as far as developing my confidence.
I have been out twice since the first "mishap" and
enjoyed the sail both times. I put up the sails and
got the tiller, under MY control. The wind was light
and enjoyable.
I will master sailing yet.
S
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855.19 | Health warning | CHEFS::GOUGHP | Pete Gough @REO | Thu Jun 09 1988 07:12 | 41 |
| It sounds as if you are going up that fun learning curve that never
ceases. However nobody appears yet to have warned you of the real
danger of sailing or the problems it can cause.......
Above the door of a well known yachting school were the following
words "Her Majesty's Government warns that sailing can be injurous
to the wallet and is liable to be addictive"
You can spot sailors in many ways - Their gardens tend to be either
concrete or over grown (We call it the old English cottage style,
the neighbours occaisionaly ask when we are going to get the Combine
harvester in to sort out the lawns)
- At birthdays and Christmas they
get presents that nobody else seems to understand (Last Christmas
I gave my wife The North Brittany Pilot book, She gave me 100 feet
of anchor plait)
- On weekends when not sailing
they can be spotted in their local pub looking uncomfortable in
discussing everything but sailing.
- Their homes are full of literature
of items they cannot afford or even need for their craft.
Beware of the addiction because once hooked ..........You start
thinking about doing trans ocean passages. It would be nice to take
say 5 or 10 years off and sail around the world especially in warmer
climes........The reality tends to be a few weeks each year of sheer
bliss. (This year 3 weeks cruising the Brittany Coast, so my distinctly
better half who does the pilotage can use her Christmas present.....)
Every day is different and something new is learnt especially when
it is an activity that one can choose one own pace to learn at.
Enjoy and get addicted and join the rest of the sailing fraternity,
if nothing else it will give you a home away from home. You can
walk into most yacht clubs in the world and get a warm welcome.
Ah well back to work so I can pay for the dreams.
Enjoy
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855.20 | Warning Noted | HYEND::SVAILLANT | | Thu Jun 09 1988 13:19 | 6 |
| .19
Pete, strains of truth are beginning to show thur ........
Sandy
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855.21 | Reading material for nervous novices ... | GRAMPS::BAILEY | May the 4 winds blow u safely home | Thu Jun 09 1988 13:30 | 12 |
| One book that I'd recommend for the nervous novice is called
"The Art of Coarse Sailing" or something like that. It's a very
humorous novel about all the things novices tend to do while learning
the sport (quite tongue in cheek). I read this a couple of years
ago and could relate to a lot of the situations one finds oneself
in. Sorry, I can't remember the author. But I do believe he's
British, so perhaps one of our friends across the big puddle can
help out. Just keep in mind, it's humor not tutorial. And meant,
I'm sure, to re-inforce the old adage that "misery loves company".
... Bob
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855.22 | Dubious Books I didn't start it... | CHEFS::GOUGHP | Pete Gough @REO | Mon Jun 13 1988 04:39 | 44 |
| Ah well now we are onto books of a dubious nature..........
The Art of Coarse Sailing is by Michael Green. I am afraid I cannot
give you the Publisher as my copy is on loan....... The book is
humorous in a mildly idiosyncratic English way. We all recognise
ourselves in some of his tales. He is also the author of many other
books which include The Art of Coarse Drinking, The Art of Coarse
Rugby, The Art of Coarse Golf etc etc
Another brilliant book I gave my wife just asfter she became a RYA
Day Skipper (RYA = Royal Yachting Association) was Must I Go Down
To The Sea Again by Lesley Black. She tells the tale of the sailing
wife. Once again apologies I cannot tell you the publisher it is
out on loan. It is very funny and should not be read on passage,
the laughter it generates is dangerous for the helmsperson (Note
the use of the word helmsperson I am well trained).
I showed my wife this entry in the notes file and her pearls of
wisdom for you are : Own a couple of aspects of running the boat.
ie She works out all stowage, handles all pilotage once we are within
a mile or so of our destination and second guesses me on Navigation.
She also has become good on the helm as on passage I tend to do
the navigation and that tends to mean I am fairly active once near
the coasts. (We suffer from strong tides and rocky coasts , ring
any bells?)
Keep on enjoying and join the rest of us who have a fealing of immense
pleasure on making a sucessful passage even if that passage is a
Saturday afternoon sail or a longer adventure.
Pete
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855.23 | Another Nervous Novice gains confidence! | DFCON1::FRENCH | | Wed Jul 20 1988 12:03 | 65 |
| My wife and I have read with interest the notes regarding fear (on the part of
a mate) of wind and the boat heeling. Within the last year, she has made
great strides in overcoming her fears while sailing through several steps.
Her first experience on a sailbaot was tipping over on a sailfish in a lake
in April (in 1967). Also, she has much less confidence in the water than I do.
We presently have a 19' COM-PAC yacht on Lake Winnipesaukee. It is a rather
heavy and stable boat with 800 lbs of keel ballast in a boat with 2000 lb
displacement. Whenever the wind approached 15 knots or the boat heeled more
than 15 degrees, she would freeze, and between clenched teeth say
"Take me back!" Mentally, she knew it was o.k., but her gut feelings
were of panic.
In the last 2 years, I have gained a lot of confidence in the boat, especially
in heavy air. Several times I have really pushed the boat in winds over 20 knots
(with friends who enjoyed sailing hard) and found that after about 35-45 degrees
of heel, the boat will round up - I have been unable to get it to go past 45
degrees of heel, no matter what I did. After hearing this, (that the boat
really didn't want to tip over) my wife beccame a little less timid, but was
still a fair weather sailor. Once last summer, she consented to take the helm
in a stiff breeze and began to feel a bit of control over the boat.
At the New England Sailboat Show, in Feb.) I took her to the New England
Sailing School booth and asked her to talk with the owner about how his courses
might relate to her lack of confidence. He seemed very laid back, and the
school was about 1/2 hour from our home. She reluctantly agreed to take a 3 day
sailing course - on Great Bay in Durham. 3 Days in a Rhoades 19 with two other
women and the instructor (professional educator and decades of sailing,
including circumnavugation). The second day was with one other student, and the
third day she was alone in the class. (one decided after one day that she didn't
want to be on a sailboat at all) and the other was sick ther 3rd day).
She was really impressed with the instructor when on the first day (very gusty)
she declined to take the tiller and he didn't push her. She ran the jib sheet,
which she could let off whenever the heeling became uncomfortable.
She completed the course with a grade of 96, feels much more comfortable,
and has overall confidence that she can run the boat by herself - including
man overboard situations. Two weeks ago she docked under power at a dock she
had never seen before, when last summer she wouldn't even touch the motor!
She is not what I would call a heavy weather sailor (yet) but is well on her
way to gaining confidence one step at a time - as others in this notes file
have advocated. The well rounded course gave her feelings of control and
confidence. I'm sure the attitude and experience of the instructor had a lot
to do with it. Fortunately, he agreed with most of what I had told my wife,
which increased her confidence in me as a prudent sailor. Now we are
talking about doing some coastal sailing in Maine. A couple of years ago she
had told me "No way are you getting me or the kids on the ocean".
If anyone wants more info on the school, New England Sailing School is in
its second year, ASA certified, is run from a farm on Durham Point
(on Great Bay). Presently they have 3 boats and 2 instructors. The coastal
sailing is from a boat kept on Badger's Island in Portsmouth Harbor.
The cost for her course was around $325 - (plus it cost me another $70
to take her and the kids out to dinner the night she completed the course)
For those of you who are overwhelmed by sailboats and some of the things that
they do, I would strongly recommend a learning environment such as my
wife experienced.
Happy Sailing!
Bill
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855.24 | Control begets Confidence | HYEND::SVAILLANT | | Tue Jul 26 1988 10:25 | 13 |
| Bill, thanks for your input. Practice does wonders for gaining
confidence. Read note 911.
The feeling of being in control, has helped tremendously. We both
took sailing lessons, on the ocean, and are presently sailing the
high seas. We are sailing out of South Freeport, Maine. And I
also, like the heavier winds as opposed to gentle breezes, a far
cry from a few months ago.
Applause, applause to your wife, sounds like she has made real progress
as well as enjoying it.
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