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Title:SAILING
Notice:Please read Note 2.* before participating in this conference
Moderator:UNIFIX::BERENS
Created:Wed Jul 01 1992
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2299
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749.0. "Lobsters" by HAEXLI::PMAIER () Wed Feb 24 1988 07:53

I just got the o.k for another trip to the States.
All this beautifull lobsters waiting for me.....but

  since years I have following questions:
    
- what is the average age of a lobster ("eating age")
- what is the maximum age of a lobster
- are lobsters cultivated loke salmon
- if not,are lobsters going to be exterminated sooner or later?

Peter

    

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749.1survival of the fittestMSCSSE::BERENSAlan BerensWed Feb 24 1988 08:529
>>> are lobsters going to be exterminated sooner or later?

If the lobster fishermen were allowed to do as they please, the answer 
would be yes. Fortunately, there is a minimum size and (I think) a maximum 
size that may be trapped. I've heard that 95% to 98% of all lobsters are 
caught before reaching the maximum size. It takes a number of years to 
grow to maximum size. When North America was first settled, the lobsters 
were so numerous they could be caught by hand in shallow water.

749.2Some trivia on lobstersSALEM::MCWILLIAMSWed Feb 24 1988 09:5545
    Average age for a lobster; 5-7 years old for minimum catchable size.
    
    Lobsters are graded on the basis of the length of their carapace,
    from the front 'horn' to where the main body joins the tail. Depending
    what state's laws prevail, this length should be from 3.0" (NH)
    to 3.375" (Maine).  This yields a lobster of about 1lb for a 3.0"
    carapace to 1.25-1.5 lb for a 3.375" carapace. Maine has been
    increasing the minimum size for the lobsters to give them a longer
    time to breed. It takes about 2-3 years longer for them to grow
    the extra 3/8" and hence should provide a large breeding stock.
    
    You are quite right about most of them being caught when they reach
    'legal' size. The plan is to increase the time between lobsters can be
    sexually mature (about 4-5 years old) and when they are caught.
    
    Other interesting trivia, lobsters live a long time. A 42 lb lobster
    caught in recent years was estimated to be over 100 years old.
    
    Lobsters migrate long distances, apparently spending a good portion
    of their time in deep waters. This is why areas don't necessarily
    become fished out.
    
    Some attempts ahve been made to cultivate lobsters, but the long
    growing times and other factors make this difficult. What some
    lobstermen in Maine have been doing is raising small lobster 'fry'
    and releasing them in the sea after about a year. The theory (never
    confirmed in point of fact) is that by nuturing them through the
    1st year the survival rate would be higher.
    
    It is also illegal to retain a female lobster that is bearing roe, no
    matter what the size. The female's roe adheres to the inside tail
    section, which is how you can tell a lobster's sex. Females have a
    slightly different tail shape (somewhat wide/flatter), and they have a
    'hairier' swim fins on the inside of the tail to give a better surface
    for the roe to adhere to. Many female lobsters contain roe inside in
    the tail but it is never expulsed except when a male is near and
    courting. Unfortunately many lobstermen (amateur) will scrape off the
    row on an egg bearing female so that the lobster can be retained. 
    
    To my knowledge there is no maximum size that can be trapped except
    for the practical limitation of what will fit through the lobster
    trap hole. Really big lobsters are caught by trawling in deep water.
    
    /jim

749.3I d'ont like lobsters anymoreHAEXLI::PMAIERThu Feb 25 1988 07:4116
    Thanks a lot for your information.
    
    Some background to my questions:
    
    I sail in the Mediteranien.Its very hard to find there lobsters anymore,
    even fish is getting scarce.
    On the other hand,in Switzerland lobsters are sold now in supermarkets
    like potato chips.
    Sad to hear,that all this lobsters have once "roamed the open seas",
    enjoyed some nice afternoon breeze,survived so many years ,and in the
    end got frozen to a tasteless "something",transported 5000 miles and
    sold for nearly nothing.
    
    Peter
    

749.4GRAMPS::WCLARKWalt ClarkThu Feb 25 1988 08:2613
    Although not as dense as they once were, and given the conservation
    and breeding work going on, I doubt that you have to worry that
    the lobster we have in North America will become extinct. It will
    become more expensive.
    
    The lobster like crustacean in the Med is not the lobster we have
    here in New England. The Italian Americans call the critter from
    the Med (also found in the Pacific in warm waters) Langostino.
    In my opinion it doesnt taste any more like a lobster than shrimp
    does. There are no large claws either.
    
    Walt

749.5Oysters Too!VBV01::HJOHNSONMon Feb 29 1988 08:0613
    Along the same line.
    
    Oysters in the Chesapeake are becomming very scarce.  In the early
    1800's, the average size was nearly a foot.  Today it is rare to
    find them in the 5 to 6 inch range.  The MSX bacteria is another
    concern, killing the spatz before they can mature.  Oh what man
    can do to nature.
    
    On the other hand, our ban on rockfish looks like it may begin
    to pay off.  The number spawning this year was up significantly.
                           
    

749.6More than you wanted to know about lobstering...EXPERT::SPENCERWed Mar 02 1988 13:1763
Good comments by the previous replies.  Some additional notes:

-  The size of a lobster (how it grows) is determined by the number of 
   moults, usually 3 per year for a females and 2 per year for a male after 
   the first two years of growth (when there are 4-5 each.)  After moulting, 
   the new shell takes a few days to harden, during which the smart lobster 
   is very well hidden and not tempted to venture out.

-  The measurement of a lobster by gauge is along the carapace from behind 
   the eye, not the horn.  (Picky, picky...)

-  Massachusetts has proposed, and passed as law I think, an increase in 
   minimum size.  I *think* it goes in 1/16" or 1/32" increments from 3-1/8" 
   up to 3-5/16" over four or five years.  (And that is the stuff for major 
   argument on the waterfront....)  Maine's limit has always been higher, 
   which angers the downeast lobstermen, particularly those near the border.  
   The Canadian limit is smaller, hence the brisk business in Canadian 
   lobster *meat*, which makes it tough to determine the size of the source.  
   You can truck an undersize Canadian lobster through Mass, but you can't 
   possess or sell it here.

-  I'm pretty sure there is a maximum limit, apart from what is able to 
   crawl through the trap nets.  It may apply to sale rather than 
   possession, but for inshore lobstermen is entirely moot -- they may not 
   see one lobster over 6 lbs in their traps in a year.  The offshore 
   lobstermen often convert the lobsters to meat on the boat, given time.  
   It's a real bone of contention as to whether/how much meat comes from 
   oversize and undersize critters.

-  Raising lobsters is difficult at best.  First, no one knows much about 
   their planktonic stage lifestyles and preferences.  The other problem is 
   that they're cannibalistic, and you can't really peg or band their little 
   tiny claws and expect them to moult, let alone eat much!  A common 
   technique is to use lucite/lexan pigeon hole racks suspended in flowing, 
   temperature-controlled, filtered water.  After some limited success
   ventures, the main problem continues to be economic -- it costs a bundle
   to do right with a reasonable yield.  (Of interest:  One lobster farmer on
   the Cape a few years back successfully bred his stock to a uniform blue
   color, intending to maintain his product's trademark through breeding!) 

-  Ethical lobstermen everywhere, upon finding a female (as evidenced 
   unequivocally by the presence of eggs) will cut a notch in the middle 
   segment of the tail, as a marker to other lobstermen of its sex.  Until 
   fairly recently, that was honored pretty uniformly.  Nowadays, I don't 
   know what the common practices is, though many still do this.  One 
   problem with it is that it takes time, and as fishermen may now run 
   400-800 traps to get the same yield 100 or fewer might have gotten 20 
   years ago, it may not happen as much, even if the female is tossed over.

-  I agree with Walt, that lobstermen probably won't make Homerus 
   Americanus extinct, but there's a risk nonetheless.  If their food chain 
   is disrupted by natural or unnatural disaster -- even temporarily -- or 
   if for any reason the number falls below that which mathematically will 
   allow a critical number of males and females to find each other, then 
   there could be problems.  Remember that the young are great food to many 
   fish in their pelagic stage, and the survival rate is at best well down in 
   the single percentage numbers.  Also, we don't know much about what 
   affects them at that stage.

   The greater risk, and a very real one, is that lobstering as an industry 
   may fail.  There is a limit of efficiency in putting out more and more 
   traps which take bigger and bigger boats, which cost more and more....

749.7small vs big for eating quality?KEYBDS::HASTINGSMon May 07 1990 13:574
	Can anyone help me out with an argument? Does the size of a Lobster have any 
effect on the eating quality? Are larger lobsters "tougher" or less "sweet" than
chicken lobsters?
749.8TOOK::SWISTJim Swist LKG2-2/T2 DTN 226-7102Tue May 08 1990 09:497
    You'll get lots of arguments on this one.  I believe large==tough
    and/or tasteless is mostly phony, but many disagree.   One of the
    problems is that conditions you describe are also a symptom of
    overcooking.  People tend to leave large lobsters in the pot far too
    long (thinking you gotta boil them to death!).   I cook 2-3 lb lobsters
    for 10 min after the water reboils and don't find them significantly
    different from small ones.
749.9Another opinionSALEM::MCWILLIAMSWed May 09 1990 09:4813
    One other consideration is the time that the lobster spends in the
    tank/pound between the time it is caught and the time that it is eaten. 
    
    Most small lobsters are caught by traps and are to the pound by the end
    of the day. Larger lobsters are usually caught in trawls, and spend
    several days in tankage until they may it to the pound.
    
    Once they are caught, they don't eat.
    
    I have found getting them from the pound/off-the-boat yields the best
    tasting lobster (except after the spring molt) regardless of size.
    
    /jim