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Conference unifix::sailing

Title:SAILING
Notice:Please read Note 2.* before participating in this conference
Moderator:UNIFIX::BERENS
Created:Wed Jul 01 1992
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2299
Total number of notes:20724

643.0. "Rhodes Seafarer 34" by P928S4::MCBRIDE () Wed Sep 09 1987 17:11

    I am looking for some information on a Rhodes Seafarer 34'.
    
    The specifics are:
    
    Built in 1974
    Ketch rig
    Volvo Diesel
    Original sails (quantity unknown)
    Fairly complete electronics including Radar and Loran
    8' Dinghy (type unknown, rigid)
    Fresh water system needs replacement
    Surveyed at beginning of season
    Price of $30,000 
              
    Is anyone familiar with this boat? Does the price sound okay for this 
    design, year assuming condition is good. Who built it? Are they still
    in business? Any information at all would be really helpful.
    
    Thanks,
    
    Brian                          

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643.1maybe, maybe notMSCSSE::BERENSAlan BerensWed Sep 09 1987 18:1350
I think that Seafarer has gone out of business, but I'm not sure.

It is difficult to say, given the information you've provided, whether 
$30 000 is a good price for a thirteen year old boat or not. It really 
depends on several things. Have you seen the survey? Some questions I'd 
ask:

Is the standing rigging original? If so, it likely should be replaced.
Expensive.

How old is the engine? How many hours? Major repairs to the engine are 
likely to be so expensive that it would be better to replace the engine 
than repair it. A new engine might be $5000. 

Original sails? I would expect that they should be replaced. Another 
$5000?

How old are the electronics? Do they all work?

What is the cosmetic condition of the boat? A pristine boat is worth
much more than a dilapidated one. Does the interior need refinishing? 
Does the hull need painting? A professional linear polyurethane paint 
job runs $50 per foot and up. 

Be sure to determine whether or not there are any leaks in the hull to
deck joint. These can be very expensive and possibly impossible to
repair. The owner of a Bristol 40 I know is trying to decide whether or
not to spend $2300 (minimum) having his hull/deck joint leaks fixed. 

Is the deck cored with balsa or plywood? Has water gotten into the core? 
(Very likely, by the way.) Has the deck delaminated? (Very likely, by 
the way.) Again, very expensive to repair. Our not terribly serious deck 
delamination repairs were $4500. 

What you really need to do is determine what you must spend on the boat 
over and above the purchase price to have a boat you'd feel good about 
owning. Compare that investment with the cost of a newer, and more 
expensive, boat. Be realistic about how much time you are willing (and 
able) to spend working on the boat. Also be realistic about what 
maintenance and repair skills you have or are willing to acquire. 
Boatyard labor is ruinously expensive. 

As a personal comment, I'd not buy a ketch. And given the state of the 
used sailboat market, I think that there may be better values available.

But don't let me discourage you ...... I like owning a sailboat. 

Alan


643.2condition not known at this timeP928S4::MCBRIDEFri Sep 11 1987 11:3014
    Thanks Alan, I appreciate the input. The boat is not something I
    am personally looking to purchase rather the inquiry was for a friend.
    I am not really sure what the systems are like except that the water
    system is rusted and needs to be replaced. If the sails are original
    then I suspect the standing rigging is also original. The boat is
    in the water at this point and has been sailed this summer but the
    exact condition is not known by myself or my friend, they will be
    looking at it this weekend if all goes well. And yes Seafarer has
    gone out of business as of 1983. 
    
    Thanks again,
    
    Brian McBride