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Conference turris::womannotes-v5

Title:Topics of Interest to Women
Notice:Welcome to Womannotes!h 1.14 for news of important problems..es
Moderator:CSC32::M_EVANS
Created:Fri Aug 27 1993
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:623
Total number of notes:55447

38.0. "Quotable Women" by ULTRA::ZURKO (Martyr on a cross of luxury) Fri Aug 27 1993 17:39

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38.1katha pollitt (required reading!)DECWET::JWHITEmade from the best stuff on earth (tm)Tue Oct 05 1993 14:4358
38.2VAXWRK::STHILAIREFood, Shelter & DiamondsWed Oct 06 1993 16:456
38.3VAXWRK::STHILAIREFood, Shelter & DiamondsWed Oct 06 1993 17:1022
38.4Diane Ackerman...CFSCTC::BOBBITTnow at CFSCTC::Mon Nov 01 1993 14:2921
38.5ZENDIA::MALINGMon Nov 01 1993 17:403
38.6i like thisVAXWRK::STHILAIREare they playing our song?Wed Nov 10 1993 15:5515
38.7DSSDEV::RUSTMon Nov 15 1993 12:1810
38.8VAXWRK::STHILAIREsmog might turn to stars somedayFri Dec 03 1993 15:4111
38.9Poster in the TCFSCTC::BOBBITTan insurmountable opportunityTue Dec 07 1993 09:3521
38.10WAHOO::LEVESQUEthree puffsTue Dec 21 1993 10:404
38.11"Yes, they have more money."CASDOC::MEAGHERIn folly ripe, in reason rottenThu Dec 23 1993 14:424
38.12with bright blessingsPOWDML::AJOHNSTONbeannachdWed Jan 19 1994 16:3215
38.13;^)DECWET::JWHITEdecline to signTue Jan 25 1994 17:005
38.14Soujourner TruthDV780::DORODonna QuixoteFri Feb 04 1994 12:1096
38.15DV780::DORODonna QuixoteFri Feb 04 1994 12:3311
38.16WAHOO::LEVESQUEtreize c�pages pour une symphonieFri Feb 04 1994 14:006
38.17DSSDEV::LEMENFri Feb 04 1994 17:195
38.18BRAT::WOODYour past is what you wake up toMon Feb 07 1994 08:514
38.19one witty womanVAXWRK::STHILAIREit depends on who's aroundMon Feb 07 1994 09:366
38.20Patsy ClineINTGR8::DICKSONTue Feb 08 1994 13:515
38.21I'll bet she's watched Death Valley Days, too.CASDOC::MEAGHERIn folly ripe, in reason rottenWed Feb 09 1994 10:359
38.22CALDEC::RAHPas d'argent, pas de SuissesWed Feb 09 1994 11:024
38.23OKFINE::KENAHOn the Net, nobody knows you're a dogWed Feb 09 1994 13:156
38.24VAXWRK::STHILAIREsmog might turn to stars somedayFri Feb 18 1994 15:489
38.25REGENT::BROOMHEADDon't panic -- yet.Tue Feb 22 1994 11:533
38.26VAXWRK::STHILAIREhe just grinned & shook my handTue Mar 01 1994 15:367
38.27VAXWRK::STHILAIREfancy clothes & diamond ringsTue Apr 12 1994 13:0222
38.28CALDEC::RAHRobert Holt UCB Palo Alto CATue Apr 12 1994 14:162
38.29VAXWRK::STHILAIREfancy clothes & diamond ringsTue Apr 12 1994 14:365
38.30DSSDEV::RUSTTue May 03 1994 15:497
38.31CHISP::PETRIEemail to lcalor::petrieThu May 12 1994 14:235
38.32Anna Louise StrongCASDOC::MEAGHERIn folly ripe, in reason rottenThu May 19 1994 18:357
38.33WAHOO::LEVESQUElight, held together by waterThu Jul 28 1994 13:513
38.34StarhawkATLANT::SCHMIDTTOEM Engineering, MRO1-1 Pole KL32Wed Aug 24 1994 10:4416
38.35HAAG::HAAGRode hard. Put up wet.Wed Aug 24 1994 20:524
38.36KOLFAX::VASKASMary VaskasWed Aug 24 1994 21:4613
38.37:-)NAC::TRAMP::GRADYInto the night, an angel to be...Thu Aug 25 1994 03:288
38.38WAHOO::LEVESQUEspontaneous combustionThu Aug 25 1994 09:087
38.39HAAG::HAAGRode hard. Put up wet.Thu Aug 25 1994 12:1916
38.40 who said anything about relationships?GOLLY::CARROLLthe courage of my contradictionsThu Aug 25 1994 12:3512
38.41HAAG::HAAGRode hard. Put up wet.Sat Aug 27 1994 22:2312
38.42HARDY::MALLETTSun Aug 28 1994 23:3129
38.43Don't try this at home!KOLFAX::VASKASMary VaskasTue Aug 30 1994 13:4210
38.44naturallyTARKIN::BEAVENtoo soon old, too late smartTue Aug 30 1994 14:4312
38.45MEOC02::CASEYMEO78B::CASEYTue Aug 30 1994 17:1017
38.46you are EVIL!ALLVAX::GELINEAUfear, surprise, and an almost fanatical devotionTue Aug 30 1994 17:3417
38.47PEACHS::RROGERSRoseanne Rogers, Atlanta CSCWed Aug 31 1994 10:448
38.48POWDML::AJOHNSTONbeannachdTue Oct 25 1994 16:5511
38.49yPOWDML::FLANAGANI feel therefore I amTue Oct 25 1994 17:129
38.50JULIET::MORALES_NASweet Spirit's Gentle BreezeTue Oct 25 1994 17:193
38.51BSS::S_CONLONSeason of Chameleons...Tue Oct 25 1994 17:225
38.52POWDML::AJOHNSTONbeannachdTue Oct 25 1994 17:2622
38.53Nancy AdamsREGENT::BROOMHEADDon't panic -- yet.Mon Nov 14 1994 10:543
38.54AnnBCSC32::M_EVANSperforated porciniWed Nov 16 1994 17:1910
38.55BSS::S_CONLONSeason of Chameleons...Wed Nov 16 1994 17:203
38.56KOLFAX::VASKASMary VaskasTue Nov 22 1994 18:215
38.57SNAX::SMITHI FEEL THE NEEDTue Jan 24 1995 07:424
38.58From "Divine Inspiration" by Jane Langton ---BUNKA::LEMENTue Jun 20 1995 16:109
38.59COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertThu Jul 27 1995 00:0213
38.60COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertThu Aug 03 1995 17:4411
38.61birth as sacredPCBUOA::DBROOKSFri Aug 04 1995 13:4911
38.62RUSURE::GENTRYStopping at the open windowsFri Aug 04 1995 14:1016
38.63Ain't no ocean wide enough...COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertFri Aug 04 1995 16:258
38.64MKOTS3::TINIUSIt's always something.Fri Aug 04 1995 16:367
38.65BSS::S_CONLONA Season of Carnelians...Fri Aug 04 1995 16:463
38.66creeping Disneyification.PCBUOA::DBROOKSTue Aug 08 1995 09:087
38.67Germaine GreerPCBUOA::DBROOKSWed Aug 23 1995 12:482
38.68from a book on ecofeminismPCBUOA::DBROOKSWed Aug 23 1995 13:239
38.69just possibly...I wonder whose?PCBUOA::DBROOKSFri Sep 01 1995 14:594
38.70as if they were connectedPCBUOA::DBROOKSThu Oct 05 1995 16:1210
38.71what Americans need.PCBUOA::DBROOKSFri Oct 06 1995 13:594
38.72hall of mirrorsPCBUOA::DBROOKSThu Nov 02 1995 07:446
38.73On the Merrimack School Board situationBRONS::BURROWSJim BurrowsMon Nov 13 1995 16:0843
38.74Barbara RobertsPCBUOA::DBROOKSSheela-na-giggleTue Nov 21 1995 13:1410
38.75BUNKA::LEMENMon Dec 04 1995 13:235
38.76from a good book - Brothers and SistersDELNI::NEWFIELDSandy Newfield - good to be back...Mon Dec 11 1995 15:067
38.77SNAX::NOONANcrumpled, tarnished soulThu Dec 14 1995 05:354
38.78Awesome quote!BUNKA::LEMENMon Dec 18 1995 14:343
38.79SNAX::NOONANcrumpled, tarnished soulTue Dec 19 1995 00:233
38.80willed ignorancePCBUOA::DBROOKSSheela-na-giggleThu Dec 28 1995 11:538
38.81believingGODIVA::benceSounds like a job for Alice.Thu Jan 18 1996 12:398
38.82Virginia WoolfPCBUOA::DBROOKSonly connectFri Jan 26 1996 11:534
38.83Joan Osborn ASDG::NJACKSONSun Feb 04 1996 17:445
38.84Eudora WeltyPCBUOA::DBROOKSonly connectTue Feb 13 1996 09:005
38.85Melissa EtheridgeASDG::NJACKSONTue Feb 13 1996 14:449
38.86SNAX::NOONANMust I be *quite* so. . . odd?!Mon Feb 19 1996 08:1711
38.87SNAX::NOONANMust I be *quite* so. . . odd?!Mon Feb 26 1996 07:325
38.88LanguageASDG::NJACKSONThu Feb 29 1996 09:015
38.89COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertFri Mar 08 1996 19:287
38.90SNAX::NOONANfreckles :==concentrated soulSat Mar 09 1996 00:1717
38.91If Women CountedPCBUOA::DBROOKSMon Mar 11 1996 12:2319
38.92When conditions are evil...ASDG::NJACKSONMon Mar 11 1996 12:597
38.93SNAX::NOONANfreckles :==concentrated soulSat Mar 16 1996 06:129
38.94Prostitution thoughtASDG::NJACKSONTue Mar 19 1996 09:146
38.95Katharine HepburnASDG::NJACKSONTue Mar 26 1996 07:596
38.96EDRDAN::KALIKOWDIGITAL=DEC; Reclaim the Name&Glory!Sat Mar 30 1996 08:304
38.97A favorite from Emma Goldman...BUNKA::LEMENSat Mar 30 1996 17:221
38.98Nancy HenleyASDG::NJACKSONThu Apr 04 1996 09:007
38.99Adrienne RichPCBUOA::DBROOKSFri Apr 05 1996 09:366
38.100Judith Bardwick and Elizabeth DouvanPCBUOA::DBROOKSFri Apr 05 1996 09:406
38.101Naomi WolfASDG::NJACKSONMon Apr 08 1996 11:126
38.102Winifred HoltbyASDG::NJACKSONWed May 01 1996 11:036
38.103Marsha Clark]ASDG::NJACKSONFri May 24 1996 09:2716
38.104NPSS::MLEVESQUETue May 28 1996 15:515
38.105DRDAN::KALIKOWMindSurf the World w/ AltaVista!Tue May 28 1996 16:085
38.106SPECXN::CONLONAltaVista: Damn, we're good!!Tue May 28 1996 16:402
38.107IJSAPL::VISSERSDutch ComfortTue May 28 1996 20:266
38.108NPSS::MLEVESQUEWed May 29 1996 08:3012
38.109It comes to us via "The Great Gasbag"ATLANT::SCHMIDTSee http://atlant2.zko.dec.com/Wed May 29 1996 10:3412
38.110just what is YOUR problem, anyway?NPSS::MLEVESQUEWed May 29 1996 11:321
38.111Listening to Rush LimbaughDRDAN::KALIKOWMindSurf the World w/ AltaVista!Wed May 29 1996 15:2221
38.112NPSS::MLEVESQUEWed May 29 1996 16:5120
38.113Emily SaliersASDG::NJACKSONTue Jun 04 1996 17:007
38.114Helen KellerASDG::NJACKSONWed Jun 05 1996 10:515
38.115Adrienne RichASDG::NJACKSONMon Jun 10 1996 16:248
38.116Carter HeywardPCBUOA::DBROOKSSheela-na-giggleTue Jun 11 1996 13:4310
38.117Carrie FisherASDG::NJACKSONThu Jun 13 1996 10:416
38.118Mother TeresaASDG::NJACKSONMon Jun 17 1996 14:165
38.119the delusion of destinyPCBUOA::DBROOKSSheela-na-giggleThu Jun 20 1996 08:487
38.120Chinese curse...ASDG::NJACKSONTue Jun 25 1996 11:457
38.121Sonia JohnsonASDG::NJACKSONMon Jul 01 1996 14:278
38.122CSC32::M_EVANSI'd rather be gardeningMon Jul 01 1996 15:448
38.123Anne Morrow LindberghASDG::NJACKSONWed Jul 03 1996 12:296
38.124Nomura MotoniASDG::NJACKSONMon Jul 08 1996 09:389
38.125Marya MannesASDG::NJACKSONTue Jul 16 1996 10:566
38.126Gloria SteinemPCBUOA::DBROOKSSheela-na-giggleTue Jul 16 1996 12:543
38.127Erica JongASDG::NJACKSONWed Jul 17 1996 09:336
38.128SNAX::NOONANsing the soul's bluesThu Jul 18 1996 01:284
38.129swoonSNAX::NOONANsing the soul's bluesFri Jul 19 1996 02:4923
38.130Re: .129ASDG::NJACKSONFri Jul 19 1996 11:206
38.131Andrea DworkinASDG::NJACKSONTue Jul 30 1996 10:025
38.132Anon.PCBUOA::DBROOKSWed Jul 31 1996 08:4910
38.133Virginia Wolfe...experienced writer.ASDG::NJACKSONWed Jul 31 1996 11:106
38.134Adrienne RichASDG::NJACKSONFri Aug 09 1996 12:055
38.135Candace GingrichASDG::NJACKSONWed Aug 14 1996 10:177
38.136WAHOO::LEVESQUEand your little dog, too!Wed Aug 14 1996 11:163
38.137Winona LaDukePCBUOA::DBROOKSOnly connect.Fri Aug 16 1996 09:2412
38.138TUBORG::M_EVANSwatch this spaceMon Aug 19 1996 10:476
38.139CSC32::M_EVANSwatch this spaceWed Aug 21 1996 08:588
38.140Irene StuberASDG::NJACKSONMon Aug 26 1996 09:479
38.141ATLANT::SCHMIDTSee http://atlant2.zko.dec.com/Wed Aug 28 1996 13:5816
38.142specious reasoning?PCBUOA::DBROOKSlet the story fires be lightedWed Aug 28 1996 14:428
38.143CSC32::M_EVANSbe the villageThu Sep 05 1996 10:226
38.144SNAX::NOONANsing the soul's bluesSat Sep 07 1996 04:485
38.145;-)PCBUOA::DBROOKSSheela-na-giggleThu Sep 19 1996 10:155
38.146SNAX::NOONANsing the soul's bluesSat Sep 28 1996 04:558
38.147SNAX::NOONANsing the soul's bluesSat Sep 28 1996 05:404
38.148CSC32::M_EVANSbe the villageMon Sep 30 1996 09:104
38.149CSC32::M_EVANSbe the villageMon Sep 30 1996 11:514
38.150Helen KellerASDG::NJACKSONTue Oct 01 1996 12:006
38.151Helen KellerASDG::NJACKSONMon Oct 07 1996 11:387
38.152kind of scaredPCBUOA::DBROOKSTue Oct 15 1996 16:528
38.153Nora EphronASDG::NJACKSONThu Oct 31 1996 09:218
38.154PCBUOA::DBROOKSwhen the veil is thinnestThu Oct 31 1996 12:465
38.155too true to be funnySWAM1::ROGERS_DASedat Fortuna PeritusFri Nov 01 1996 20:547
38.156DECWIN::JUDYThat's *Ms. Bitch* to you!!Mon Nov 04 1996 10:255
38.157 (*8 SNAX::NOONANsing the soul's bluesWed Nov 06 1996 01:388
38.158CSC32::M_EVANSbe the villageMon Nov 11 1996 09:055
38.159Editor Charlotte Watson ShermanASDG::NJACKSONTue Nov 12 1996 15:3312
38.160MOVIES::POTTERhttp://www.vmse.edo.dec.com/~potter/Tue Nov 12 1996 17:543
38.161SNAX::NOONANsing the soul's bluesWed Nov 13 1996 01:106
38.162MOVIES::POTTERhttp://www.vmse.edo.dec.com/~potter/Wed Nov 13 1996 03:3918
38.163CHEFS::COOPERT1Reservoir ModWed Nov 13 1996 06:1212
38.164SALEM::DODAVisibly shaken, not stirredWed Nov 13 1996 08:052
38.165SNAX::NOONANsing the soul's bluesWed Nov 13 1996 08:208
38.166CSC32::M_EVANSbe the villageWed Nov 13 1996 08:222
38.167ASDG::NJACKSONWed Nov 13 1996 10:0114
38.168Georgia O'KeeffeASDG::NJACKSONWed Nov 13 1996 10:035
38.169library, here I come...! ;-)PCBUOA::DBROOKSSheela-na-giggleFri Nov 15 1996 11:4915
38.170Clarissa Pinkola EstesGIDDAY::BACOTMon Nov 18 1996 01:5737
38.171CSC32::M_EVANSbe the villageTue Nov 19 1996 09:354
38.172re women being taught to hate their bodies..PCBUOA::DBROOKSSheela-na-giggleThu Nov 21 1996 08:118
38.173Wild Woman ArchetypeGIDDAY::BACOTFri Nov 22 1996 06:2433
38.174;-)PCBUOA::DBROOKSSheela-na-giggleFri Nov 22 1996 08:156
38.175Marriane Williamson - It is our light...ASDG::NJACKSONFri Nov 22 1996 08:3728
38.176of ecofeminism and the patriarchal core..PCBUOA::DBROOKSSheela-na-giggleMon Nov 25 1996 12:0210
38.177you'd almost think he cares about women's health..PCBUOA::DBROOKSSheela-na-giggleTue Nov 26 1996 12:4212
38.178'The Pot-Banging Protection'PCBUOA::DBROOKSSheela-na-giggleMon Dec 09 1996 12:0815
38.179CSC32::M_EVANSbe the villageMon Dec 30 1996 12:483
38.180BUNKA::LEMENTue Jan 14 1997 13:026
38.181BUNKA::LEMENTue Jan 14 1997 13:035
38.182SNAX::NOONANsing the soul's bluesThu Jan 23 1997 03:425
38.183SNAX::NOONANsing the soul's bluesSun Jan 26 1997 04:295
    
    	"Being a mother is a noble status, right?  So why does it change
    	 when you put "unwed" or "welfare" in front of it?"
    
    				-- Florynce Kennedy
38.184From a letter written by Laura Ingalls Wilder on her 80th birthday....BUNKA::LEMENMon Jan 27 1997 13:358
"...

The Little House books are stories of long ago.  The way we live and your
schools are much different now, so many changes have made living and learning
easier.  But the real things haven't changed.  It is still best to be honest and
truthful; to make the most of what we have; to be happy with simple pleasures;
and to be cheerful and have courage when things go wrong."

38.185SNAX::NOONANsing the soul's bluesTue Jan 28 1997 00:156
    Is that by any chance from a school program put on by Historical
    Perspectives for Children?  I ask because I'm auditioning for them (oh,
    stop your laughing, all of you!) later on today, and Laura Ingalls
    Wilder is one of the women whose life they portray.
    
    E
38.186BUNKA::LEMENTue Jan 28 1997 10:507
re:. 185

No, it's from an actual letter written by Laura Ingalls Wilder on her 80th
brithday to her fans.  It's on one of the Laura Ingalls Wilder web sites ---
I wish I could find the URL, but I don't have it bookmarked.

	june
38.187WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjTue Jan 28 1997 12:323
    your wish is my command:
    
    http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/p_greetham/letter.htm
38.188SNAX::NOONANsing the soul's bluesThu Jan 30 1997 01:143
    ah.  I was just wondering.
    
    E
38.189InspirationSAPPHO::DUBOISJustice is not out-of-dateFri Feb 07 1997 15:2138
An ox at the roadside, when it is dying of hunger and thirst, does not lie
down; it walks up and down--up and down, seeking it knows not what;--but it
does not lie down.

                 Olive Schreiner


We must do the things we think we cannot do.

                 Eleanor Roosevelt


Nothing in life is to be feared.  it is only to be understood.

                 Marie Curie


You will do foolish things but do them with enthusiasm.

                 Colette


It is necessary to try to surpass one's self always; this occupation ought
to last as long as life.

                 Queen Christina


One can never consent to creep when one feels an impulse to soar.

                 Helen Keller


My friends are my estate.

                Emily Dickinson

 
38.190Sally Roesch Wagner (historian)PCBUOA::DBROOKSSheela-na-giggleMon Feb 24 1997 11:414
[Indian women] ``had rights on this land before Columbus came, that women
today still don't have.  Indian women feared [gaining U.S.] citizenship
because they'd lose their rights as women.'' 

38.191From "The Anatomy of the Spirit" by Caroline MyssBUNKA::LEMENTue Feb 25 1997 13:345
"We contain the scripture.  We contain Divinity.  We are Divinity.  We are the
church, the synagogue, the ashram.  We need but close our eyes and feel the 
energy of the sacraments, the sefirot, the chakras, as the origin of our own
power---as the energy that fuels our biology.  Ironically, once we realize the
stuff of which we are made, we have no choice but to live a spiritual life."
38.192ASDG::NJACKSONTue Feb 25 1997 13:392
    
    <---Amen! 
38.193SNAX::NOONANsing the soul&#039;s bluesSat Mar 08 1997 06:478
    "I am also very proud to be a liberal. Why is that so terrible these
    days? The liberals were liberators - they fought slavery, fought for
    women to have the right to vote, fought against Hitler, Stalin, fought
    to end segregation, fought to end apartheid. Liberals put an end to
    child labor and they gave us the five day work week! What's to be
    ashamed of?" 
    
         - BARBRA STREISAND 
38.194Carol Lee SanchezPCBUOA::DBROOKSSheela-na-giggleTue Mar 18 1997 13:014
"I believe Euro-Americans waste the resources and destroy the environment in 
the Americas because they are not spiritually connected to this land base, 
because they have no ancient mythos or legendary origins rooted to this land."

38.195WAHOO::LEVESQUESpott ItjTue Mar 18 1997 13:383
    And her explanation for why the euros waste their own resources and
    destroy their own environment is what? And what about the south
    americans? Africans?
38.196PCBUOA::DBROOKSSheela-na-giggleTue Mar 18 1997 14:044
Gee, I wouldn't know.  

Nor would I speak for her, but perhaps they take their cue from us?

38.197forgot to mention..PCBUOA::DBROOKSSheela-na-giggleTue Mar 18 1997 15:5111
The quote by Carol Sanchez is from her article "New World Tribal Communities:  
An Alternative Approach for Recreating Egalitarian Societies," in *Weaving 
the Visions:  New Patterns in Feminist Spirituality*, ed. Judith Plaskow and 
Carol P. Christ, 1989.  (Sanchez is a poet and essayist of Laguna and Sioux 
ancestry)

It's quoted by Jane Caputi in her book *Gossips, Gorgons and Crones:  The 
Fates of the Earth*, 1993, intro. by Paula Gunn Allen.  (Jane Caputi teaches 
at the U. of New Mexico, wrote *The Age of Sex Crime* and co-wrote *Webster's 
First New Wickedary of the English Language* with Mary Daly)

38.198Dorothy DayASDG::NJACKSONWed Mar 26 1997 08:304
    
    "Comfort the afflicted. Afflict the comfortable".
    
    			Dorothy Day
38.199Anais NinASDG::NHARVEYTue Apr 22 1997 15:276
    
      "Each friend represents a world in us, a world possibly not born until
    they arrive, & it is only by this meeting that a new world is born ..."
    
    			Anais Nin (1903 - 1977) 
      		        French/American Writer
38.200Good show last Sunday at UNHSALEM::DODADon&#039;t make me come down there...Wed Apr 23 1997 14:233
"Any tool can be weapon if you hold it right."

                            Ani Difranco
38.201Anna Louise StrongASDG::NHARVEYWed Apr 30 1997 11:3114
    There is so much wisdom in the quote following this line or two.  When
    one finds that one is married simply to prevent one from being lonely
    can be a sweet awakening.  Marriage is for those in love with each
    other.
                ------------------------------------------------
    
    "To fall in love is very easy, even to remain in it is not difficult;
    our human loneliness is cause enough. But it is a hard quest worth
    making to find a comrade through whose presence one becomes steadily
    the person one desires to be."
    
      	                Anna Louise Strong, 1885-1970
    	                    Radical journalist and writer
    
38.202Sisters Across BordersPCBUOA::DBROOKSFri May 02 1997 10:4719
"Neoliberalism is a set of global economic policies which weaken national 
governments and make groups like the International Monetary Fund and the 
World Bank, the entities which determine the economic future of millions. 
These policies, through the implementation of agreements like GATT and 
NAFTA, have created extreme poverty for millions and centralized power for 
a select group in the world accountable to no one. This centralization of 
power disenfranchises millions and denies the human right to the 
fulfillment of basic human needs like food, housing, and employment. 
Weakened national governments prefer to dedicate important resources to the 
protection and subsidy of corporations and deny protection to marginal 
groups, such as women, children, the elderly, the indigenous, etc. As a 
result neoliberalism promotes the militarization of societies in response 
to the needs of the weapons industry and increased social unrest."


(Sisters Across Borders is a collaborative effort of diverse women from the
US and indigenous women in Chiapas, Mexico to break the cycle of poverty
and violence imposed on women in both countries by neoliberalism.) 

38.203SX4GTO::OLSONDBTC Palo AltoFri May 02 1997 16:0650
    My word!
    
    I have such strong disagreement with the preceeding statement that I
    hardly know where to start.  I have spent years trying to understand
    the way the world economies work, including the origins and
    influences of the institutions named, and my understandings are
    vastly different from those of "Sisters Across Borders".  I do NOT
    agree that current economic policies "have created extreme poverty
    for millions".  To the contrary, I think that the policies of the
    Bretton Woods institutions (the IMF and the World Bank) and the
    trade agreements of GATT and its successor, the WTO, together with
    other trade agreements such as those of the EU, NAFTA, MERCOSUR,
    ASEAN, etc, have instead provided the opportunities to Billions of
    people to work more productively, competitively, and efficiently,
    and in so doing provided meaningful work and livelihoods to far more
    people than would ever have been the case in the absence of these
    institutions and agreements.  Among others, I am at present reading
    Dean Acheson's book, "Present at the Creation - My years in the
    State Department" in which he describes the background of trade
    policy as it stood before, during, and following World War II.   
    The horrible lessons of that war include the notion that absent
    effective trading relationships, nations will go to war to protect
    their economic interests and competitive access to materials and
    markets.  These institutions have not served to completely avoid the
    negative aspects of competing industrial nations, but they have
    certainly served to structure their relations in ways that permitted
    growth for all while checking the impetus for war, in countless
    ways.  
    
    The statement does more than condemn these institutions and
    agreements without understanding- it condemns what it calls the
    policies of "neoliberalism" behind them.  I also disagree with
    them about this.  I don't agree that the priorities of governments
    supporting these policies have resulted in unaccountability, in
    disenfranchisement, in protection for corporate elites at the
    expense of the poor, or in denying "the human right to the
    fulfillment of basic human needs like food, housing, and
    employment."  To the contrary, it is precisely to protect and
    deliver this right to the largest number of people possible that
    these policies are followed.
    
    Not that it is done perfectly.  Not that there aren't terrible
    abuses.  But to deny the decades of success and the hundreds of
    millions who are participating now in the global economy, to decry
    the system which delivers it by painting its motivations falsely,
    this is an unworthy and unhelpful method of political argument.
    
    To this I object.
    
    DougO
38.204bumpersticker: 'don't blame me, I voted for Ralph'PCBUOA::DBROOKSMon May 05 1997 16:588
!

I guess maybe some folks (across some borders?) see things differently ...

I believe there's some discussion of these matters - esp. in relation to 
indigenous peoples - on the internet; maybe elsewhere too, 

D.
38.205Ellen DeGenerisASDG::NHARVEYTue May 06 1997 11:286
    
        You have to stay in shape.  My grandmother, she started walking five
     miles a day when she was 60.  She's 97 today and we don't know where
     she is.   
    		              Ellen DeGeneris
    
38.206From the Slob Sisters...BUNKA::LEMENThu May 15 1997 15:191
"Whenever we take on too much, we can never accomplish enough."