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| 472.1 | | GYMAC::DCASSIDY | | Wed Mar 08 1995 13:32 | 24 |
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Mmm, intersting note ther Luis......
...but difficult and implicitely subjective......
1. Ajax (HOL)
2. Juventus (ITA)
3. Real Madrid (SPA)
4. Borussia Dortmund(GER)
5. P.S.G. (FRA)
6. Barcelona (SPA)
7. Porto (POR)
8. Lazio (ITA)
9. Parma (ITA)
10.Werder Bremen (GER)
And the team that's above them all...'cause their not out of it yet and
of course the current holders.....AC Milan.
Sorry ...a British team would be lucky to get on the top tewenty....
Dezzz.
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| 472.2 | Not in the least bit serious Top 10 | KIRKTN::JJACK | m|o|t|o|r|o|l|a | Wed Mar 08 1995 13:40 | 13 |
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1. East Stirling
2. Dukla Pumpherston Sawmill & Tannery
3. Glenbuck Cherrypickers
4. The Commercial Inn
5. Bo'ness United
6. Third Lanark
7. Celtic BC U-15's (East Division)
8. Crewe Alexandria
9. Ipswich Town
10. Rangers
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| 472.3 | | VARESE::SACHA::IDC_BSTR | Oh no! NOT Milan Kundera again! | Wed Mar 08 1995 14:40 | 10 |
| re: .1
>Sorry ...a British team would be lucky to get on the top tewenty....
Er...Dezz, something tells me that Luis isn't British.
Actually, I think the real situation is somewhere between the two, i.e.
I think Man. Utd are certainly in the top 20, but not as good as 4th.
Dom
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| 472.4 | Depends how you look at it | FUTURS::MARSHALL1 | | Wed Mar 08 1995 15:12 | 15 |
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I think it all depends on how you are working things out. If you are
talking about how the teams are playing generally in their home leagues
and cups, then Man. Utd and Blackbure certainly need to be considered.
If you start to take into account how the teams do in Europe, then I
agree that you can generally forget the British teams. I think the
story would be a little different if we didn't have the FIFA "Let's
think up a rule to stuff the British" Foreigner rule in place. Whilst
this remains in force, the brit teams are rarely going to be able to
field their 'first' and strongest team. (Unless you are Blackburn, in
which case you can and still get stuffed!)
Steve
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| 472.5 | | LISTIM::FERREIRA_L | | Wed Mar 08 1995 15:24 | 5 |
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I was thinking in a global apreciation ( national league + european
competitions + player's quality , etc...)
Luis.
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| 472.6 | Yes, but they lack a certain something in Europe | FUTURS::MARSHALL1 | | Wed Mar 08 1995 16:02 | 10 |
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For all but the european competitions, I have to agree that MUFC and
BRFC are up there, certainly with performances in home leagues/cups and
also with the quality of their players. The down-side comes when they
have to play in Europe - they just don't do well at all. There just
seems to be a 'gap' of some kind be it skills, perseverance, stamina,
whatever. Something is certainly missing from the brit teams.
Steve
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| 472.7 | | CHEFS::GEORGEM | The West is the Best | Wed Mar 08 1995 16:03 | 4 |
| >>>Something is certainly missing from the Brit teams.
Half their players?
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| 472.8 | Murphy's fourth(-ish) law ... | AYOV29::MTHEODORESON | Jones the Steam | Wed Mar 08 1995 16:18 | 13 |
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So therefore the logical conclusion of all this is : -
British teams are crap without foreign players.
Or am I missing something obvious here ?
Malc.
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| 472.9 | | MARVIN::MORRELL | Cos I missed you... Yeah.... I missed you | Wed Mar 08 1995 17:08 | 4 |
| Look at ManU in the EC this year... they were without many of their
foreign players & look how far they got....
Rick.
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| 472.10 | tough at the top.... | IRNBRU::HOWARD | Lovely day for a Guinness | Wed Mar 08 1995 17:21 | 17 |
| 1= Ajax (HOL)
1= Juventus (ITA)
3- Barcelona (SPA)
4- AC Milan (ITA)
5- R.Madrid (SPA)
6- Porto (POR)
7- Parma (ITA)
8- P.S.G (FRA)
9- Sampdoria (ITA)
10- ManU(gag,cough) (ENG)
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50ish- QPR (ENG)
Ray....
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| 472.11 | | HBFDT1::SCHARNBERG | Senior Kodierwurst | Thu Mar 09 1995 09:18 | 11 |
| 1. Juventus
2. Porto
3. Borussia
4. Ajax
5. Lazio
6. Barcelona
7. Parma
8. Werder
9. Real
10. Hajduk
11. Man Utd
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| 472.12 | Rangers 8th/9th....8*)) | KIRKTN::GMCKEE | | Fri Mar 10 1995 19:49 | 61 |
| The following is a list of provisional participants of next year's
Champions League. This ranking is based on the league standings as
per 28/2 (taken from Ken Butler's Europe at a glance), and on the
provisional ranking coefficients as of 01/01/95.
Enjoy (and don't tell me that most leagues haven't finished yet ;) !
Excerpt from the FAQ on seeding for the European Cups:
> 1) The ranking coefficient which is used in the ranking of the teams
> in the Champions League, but also in the seeding of the teams in the
> other two European Cups. This coefficient is calculated for all the
> countries based on an average over the _last_ 5 years, including the
> season just finished (i.e the 1995/96 coefficient is based on the
> 1990/91 to 1994/95 seasons). What is averaged is (#total points for
> country/#total _games_). In addition the same coefficient is
> calculated for each participating club based only on that club's
> results in the last 5 years. If this coefficient is higher than the
> country coefficient, that club will be `competing' in the ranking with
> its club coefficient. Games in preliminary rounds do not count
> towards this coefficient.
>
> Note: There seems to be a rule which sets the country coefficient of
> countries participating less than three years to zero. These
> coefficients have been marked with an '*'.
The first number is the team coefficient, the second the country
coefficient.
directly qualified for league stage
Cup Winner 1994/95 -irrelevant-
Juventus Ita 1.853 1.580
Ajax Nth 1.781 1.198
Dortmund Ger 1.500 1.363
Nantes Fra 1.375 1.480
Real Madrid Spa 1.472 1.317
Porto Por 1.457 1.287
Spartak Moskva Rus 1.389 1.125
qualified for preliminary round
Rangers Sco 1.350 1.000
GOTEBORG Swe 1.318 0.903
Blackburn Eng 0.500 1.313
Anderlecht Bel 1.250 1.155
Brndby Den 1.208 0.892
Panathinaikos Gre 1.125 0.963
Austria Vienna Aut 0.889 1.036
Steaua Bucharest Rom 1.036 0.821
Dynamo Kyyiv Ukr 1.000 0.792*
Besiktas Tur 0.714 1.000
Croatia Cro 0.875 1.214*
Grasshoppers Sui 0.833 0.871
Slovan Slk 0.833 0.900*
Slavia Praha Czr 0.833 0.625*
Widzew Lodz Pol 0.500 0.833
Rosenborg Nor 0.800 0.667
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| 472.13 | | VNOTSC::HERIBERT | | Mon Mar 13 1995 08:18 | 7 |
| to .12
I have seen in the ranking Austria Vienna , but I can't believe that
Austria Vienna has a better ranking than Austria Salzburg.
(In the Champions League ranking Salzburg has place 12)
Heribert
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| 472.14 | | GYMAC::DCASSIDY | | Mon Mar 13 1995 12:14 | 6 |
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So effectively for an English team to get in the Champions League they
must hope Ajax, Porto or Spartak Moscow don't win their respective
leagues....and are won by teams with less than 1.313 team co-efficient.
Dezzz
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| 472.15 | | ZUR01::ASH | Grahame Ash @RLE | Mon Mar 13 1995 12:35 | 9 |
| Well, .12 is very strange. It seems to be a blatant attempt at getting the
best footballing teams into the Champions League - what sort of criterion is
that? Let's wait until ITV moves its considerable muscle in and "improves the
coefficients" of at least one team further down the list.
Re .-1, presumably every team in the list goes up one if one of the top 7 wins
the Cup this year?
g
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| 472.16 | MUFC in Champions League | AYOV27::FW_TEMP01 | John Hussey - Dunure's great | Mon Mar 13 1995 13:49 | 11 |
| What is the rating for the self-styled TGFTITW?
I imagine that it will be higher than Blackburn, Rangers & Moscow and so good
enough to qualify for the Champions League.
Of course 10 million from ITV into UEFAs pockets won't influence the ratings
system at all :-)
I would imagine that Gothenburg's rating would go up when they beat Bayern this
week.
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| 472.17 | | KIRKTN::GMCKEE | | Mon Mar 13 1995 22:16 | 6 |
| re .13
correct, Austria Salzburg have a higher coef than Austria Vienna
but if you re read .12 then you will see that it only includes the
teams that are currently (or were) leading their Leagues...
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| 472.18 | | VNOTSC::HERIBERT | | Tue Mar 14 1995 12:13 | 8 |
| re .17
Thanks for the information
Austria Salzburg has not been leading at this moment (Austria Wien has one game
more).
Heribert
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| 472.19 | A bit off the point, but what the hell! | VARESE::SACHA::IDC_BSTR | Oh no! NOT Milan Kundera again! | Thu Mar 16 1995 11:50 | 30 |
| re: .15
>Well, .12 is very strange. It seems to be a blatant attempt at getting the
>best footballing teams into the Champions League - what sort of criterion is
>that? Let's wait until ITV moves its considerable muscle in and "improves the
>coefficients" of at least one team further down the list.
Well, Grahame, I suppose they're welcome to try, but I rather think
that the "considerable muscle" of ITV looks rather puny when compared
to the might of organizations like Fininvest in Italy. The examples of
UEFA sucking up to Italian clubs in recent years through fear of losing
considerable amounts of dosh are almost too numerous to mention. A
couple that immediately spring to mind are:
- Milan's laughable one year ban for refusing to finish thair European
Cup semi-final against Marseille 3 years ago (despite being ordered
to do so by the referee)
- My own personal favorite: Parma were seeded in the 1992/93 edition of
the ECWC (which they went on to win). Their only previous appearance
in European football was in the previous season's UEFA Cup
competition...when they were knocked out in the 1st round by a
Bulgarian club!
I'm sure that one day we'll see a European Cup Final between Dinamo
Tirana and Vasas Budapest, staged in Vladivostock...
NOT!!
Dom
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| 472.20 | The best team in Rome | ROMOIS::SANTILLIFE | | Thu May 04 1995 00:22 | 5 |
| Dear Ferreira yuor opinion is in part correct, but yuo forget the best
team in Rome, his name is ROMA i'm support of this team and i think
that in Italy's championship this team is best of Lazio.
goodby and FORZA ROMA
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| 472.21 | | VNACO1::HERIBERT | | Tue Dec 05 1995 08:53 | 14 |
| The new world ranking of football clubs (standing: 30.11.95)
1 (2) AC Milan 365,0 Pts.
2 (1) Juventus Turin 352,5
3 (3) AC Parma 330,0
4 (5) Ajax Amsterdam 309,0
5 (6) Porto Allegre 296,5
6 (4) Paris SG 295,0
7 (9) River Plate 242,0
8 (8) La Coruna 234,0
9 (7) Lazio Rom 227,5
Heribert
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| 472.22 | Be fair! | MOEUR8::SMITH | | Tue Dec 05 1995 09:09 | 4 |
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Wot complete and utter crap! Ajax are the best!
How do they work out that Milan are best, cost of players?
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| 472.23 | | IRNBRU::HOWARD | Lovely Day for a Guinness | Tue Dec 05 1995 09:34 | 6 |
| I must agree. 66(?) games unbeaten, World Club champions, champions of
Europe and still ranked only No. 4????
The Gazzetta della sport must be the sponsors....
Ray....
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| 472.24 | | VNACO1::HERIBERT | | Tue Dec 05 1995 12:25 | 17 |
| An example for Austria:
Salzburg has been 1993: EC final Cupwinners
1994: Champions League (2x 1:1 ag. Ajax)
1995: Champions league qualifying
Salzburg has place 197 !!!
Rapid Wien place 79
Austria Wien 137
Sturm Graz 168
what have these 3 teams done the last years ?
I don't understand my published list, too.
Heribert
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