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382.1 | prediction time.... | IRNBRU::HOWARD | NYC,June 18 - ITA 0 - 2 RoI | Fri May 27 1994 14:16 | 19 |
| This is the way it looks for us in the US...
if we win Group E we will play runners up Group D, probably Bulgaria. We'd be
the favourites for that match....
If we are the runners-up in E we will play the winner of F, probably
Holland....bad news
If we qualify as one of the 4 best 3rd place teams we get to play either the
winners of group A or D, probably Colombia and Argentina....I'd fancy our
chances against any South American side at the moment, so not too bad....
Conclusions....we must not come 2nd in our group....I'm predicting 5 points
which, (goal difference permitting), might be good enough to win the group, but
will probably only be good enough for 2nd.... therefore it looks like we'll be
playing the Dutch in Orlando on the 4th July....
just my opinion....
Ray....
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382.2 | Official squad | GALVIA::BSMITH | fweeze wabbit ........ | Tue May 31 1994 11:34 | 30 |
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official squad announced yesterday ......
1. Packie Bonner (Glasgow Celtic)
2. Denis Irwin (Manchester United)
3. Terry Phelan (Manchester City)
4. Kevin Moran (Blackburn Rovers)
5. Paul McGrath (Aston Villa)
6. Roy Keane (Manchester United)
7. Andy Townsend (Aston Villa)
8. Ray Houghton (Aston Villa)
9. John Aldridge (Tranmere Rovers)
10. John Sheridan (Sheffield Wednesday)
11. Steve Staunton (Aston Villa)
12. Gary Kelly (Leeds United)
13. Alan Kernaghan (Manchester City)
14. Phil Babb (Coventry City)
15. Tommy Coyne (Motherwell)
16. Tony Cascarino (Chelsea)
17. Eddie McGoldrick (Arsenal)
18. Ronnie Whelan (Liverpool)
19. Alan McLoughlin (Portsmouth)
20. David Kelly (Wolves)
21. Jason McAteer (Bolton Wndrs)
22. Alan Kelly (Sheffield United)
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382.3 | Italian Team | ROMCSA::BIANCHINI | GSM ITALIA | Wed Jun 01 1994 18:49 | 25 |
| Italian team
Goalkeeper:
Pagliuca (Sampdoria)
Marchegiani (Lazio)
Bucci (Parma)
Defender line:
Tassotti, Baresi, Maldini, Costacurta (Milan)
Benarrivo, Minotti, Apolloni (Parma)
Midfield:
Dino Baggio, Conte (Juventus)
Albertini, Donadoni (Milan)
Evani (Sampdoria)
Forward:
Roberto Baggio (Juventus)
Casiraghi, Signori (Lazio)
Zola (Parma)
Massaro (Milan)
Berti (Inter)
Pino
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382.4 | from today's Irish Times | GALVIA::BSMITH | fweeze wabbit ........ | Thu Jun 02 1994 10:19 | 16 |
|
Extract from today's Irish Times containing some quotes from Jorge Campos, the
Mexican goalkeeper ....
"The Irish are kidding themselves if they think they can compete with us on
equal terms in Orlando. They'll die of exhaustion under the mid-day sun",
Campos is quoted as saying in a Spanish paper, and he predicts an equally trying
afternoon for the Irish supporters. "They will be outnumbered by about 10 to
one".
Maintaining his theme, Campos says: "Just because they got two lucky results
against Holland and Germany they think they're world-beaters. We can't wait to
sink our teeth into them and shut them up once and for all".
so now for ya !
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382.5 | | XSTACY::PHAYDEN | � Ne�-Max�-Z��n-Dweeb�e | Thu Jun 02 1994 10:26 | 4 |
| Are you shaking in your boots ? My pants are brown already. Ohhh those Mexicans
are a scary bunch aren't they.
Peter.
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382.6 | | KERNEL::MCKEAVENEYJ | Egg and bacon soda please... | Thu Jun 02 1994 11:02 | 4 |
|
Let the anti-Mehecan rabble begin..... :-)
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382.7 | Ariba Ariba .... | XSTACY::PHAYDEN | � Ne�-Max�-Z��n-Dweeb�e | Thu Jun 02 1994 11:15 | 0 |
382.8 | Speedy Gonzales chases Sheep ;-) | BERN01::BOLGER | Jerry Bolger. | Thu Jun 02 1994 11:32 | 8 |
|
If Mr. Campos tries to sink his teeth into Tony Cascarino he may get
more than he bargained for ! On the other hand if he tries it with
Ronnie Whelan, Ronnie probably won't even notice with all the added
protection he carries around his waistline !
Jerry.
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382.9 | Hot, the main factor | SALES2::GRECO | | Wed Jun 08 1994 11:39 | 27 |
|
I think that hot will be the chief factor of this world championship.
Therefore "muscular" teams shouldn't be the favourites. South American
teams will take advantage of this situation.
The only positive factor for north european teams might be the playing
fields that are announced not very good, and the "technical" teams
would have some problems doing their usual kind of play. It seems that
this world cup will not have the best US stadiums. Americans don't
seem to be really interested about soccer. It's like a baseball world
cup would be played in Europe.
However I also think that in a such short competition like a soccer world
cup (only one month), lucky is a very important key.
About Italy, the last friendly matches didn't show a team
having a lot of chances. Against Switzerland the level of play was
poor, although we won 1-0. But in the championships things would be
quite different.
bye bye
Giuseppe
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382.10 | info, give me info damn it! | SUBURB::ABSOLOMT | Aye Karumba | Mon Jun 13 1994 15:48 | 6 |
|
What's the expected starting line-up for Italy then?
Tony
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382.11 | Hope this helps ..... | BERN01::BOLGER | Jerry Bolger. | Mon Jun 13 1994 16:26 | 6 |
| Tony,
I think they're planning to start out with Eleven men. Obviously, it
will be a bonus if they finish with 11 on the pitch ;-)
Jerry.
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382.12 | Italian team (?) | LUCCIO::ALTOBRANDO | | Mon Jun 13 1994 17:12 | 38 |
| Today "La Gazzetta dello Sport" show the more probable team that
Sacchi will choose.
1st supposition:
---------------
Pagliuca
Tassotti Costacurta Baresi Maldini
D. Baggio Albertini Evani
Massaro R.Baggio Signori
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2nd supposition:
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Pagliuca
Tassotti Costacurta Baresi Maldini
Donadoni Albertini Evani
Berti R.Baggio Signori
But you've got to know that it's really hard to understand what Sacchi is
going to do...
Lele
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382.13 | The little man..... | GYMAC::DCASSIDY | | Mon Jun 13 1994 17:18 | 6 |
|
Will Sacchi play the Parma winger Zola...I know he was ineffective
against Arsenal but he might have a field day against any of the
opposing full-backs in the Group matches.
Dezzz.
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382.14 | Nobody's gonna have a field day against our boys ;-) | BERN01::BOLGER | Jerry Bolger. | Mon Jun 13 1994 17:54 | 8 |
| Dezzz,
How dare you talk about Denis Irwin, Gary Kelly and Terry Phelan like
that. Well, OK, I do have some reservations about Phelan. Hopefully,
Jack will see sense and put Denis back on the left where he belongs,
leaving the right wing free for Gary Kelly to show his pace.
Jerry.
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382.15 | Clarification | LARVAE::FERRARO_A | Antony Ferraro @UCG | Mon Jun 13 1994 17:55 | 17 |
| Re .11
It will be more of a surprise if Ireland complete the game with 11 men,
considering the refereing guideance given for the World Cup around
tackles from behind.
Re.13
Zola is the main man in the Parma team and his position is in the
middle of the park, the reason you believe him to be a winger is the
free role he is allowed with them. This will be seen in the fact that
it is unlikely Zola and Baggio play in the same team as they are the
same type of player, taking the same positions, both looking to dictate
the pattern of play for the Azzurri.
Antony
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382.16 | | IRNBRU::HOWARD | NYC,June 18 - ITA 0 - 2 RoI | Tue Jun 14 1994 09:53 | 6 |
| can anyone tell me why Big Jack was so upset by the press
yesterday?...he did not look like a happy man....there were rumours of
a bust-up between Keane and Setters but that's all that I know at this
stage....
Ray....
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382.17 | | PEKING::COSSEYN | | Tue Jun 14 1994 10:16 | 17 |
|
I see Jackie did a very good impression of a spoilt brat yesterday,
It's great seeing him squirm for a change. As for his number 2 what the
F***k was he doing, was he going to hit the reporter with his hand bag.
I bet they were trembling in there boots with the threat of that dwarf
hitting there knee-caps.
I think the press have got it all wrong, it's not the players who are
drinking heavliy it's the management team.... Roy Keane looked totally
embarrased by his managers outburst....He should just calm down, wear a
hat. The sun is beginning to burn up whats left of his brain....Jackie
has obviously been to the same school as Grahame Taylor on how to
handle the press...Get a life Charlton you are pathetic....
Neil...
Neil...
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382.18 | Oh dear, here we go again... | GYMAC::DCASSIDY | | Tue Jun 14 1994 10:43 | 24 |
|
Neil,
I don't think you really understand what's going on here do you.....
Charlton was basically furious at the 'BRITISH" press for various
untruths. Now what interest the British press have in how well or how
badly Ireland do is beyond me. Up until a few years ago they wouldn't
even publish an Irish match report (sometimes failing even to publish
a result). So now they want to add their 'valued opinion' to the
occasion beacause they've got nothing to say about any of 'home'
nations.
There is a word in German 'Schadenfreude' of which the BRITISH press
and I'm afraid you Mr Cosseyn are guilty of; waiting on every little
slip-up that somebody makes just to have a good old gloat over.
PATHETIC - that's the only word I can describe the last note.
Can't you just for once look on things in a positive manner.
Dezzz.
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382.19 | How tall? | NEWOA::FLEMING_J | | Tue Jun 14 1994 11:16 | 11 |
| re. -17
>I bet they were trembling in there boots with the threat of that dwarf
>hitting there knee-caps.
Since when has Jack Charlton been a dwarf??? If he's counted as
small then I'm off to join the league of munchkins.
Cheers then
Jim
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382.20 | Oh dear, hear we go again.... | PEKING::COSSEYN | | Tue Jun 14 1994 11:33 | 18 |
|
The trouble is Charlton has had a reletive easy time from the press.
And since they are the nearest country to England taking part and
nearly all his squad play in the British league and none of the british
sides are in the tournement, he must have expected a certain ammount of
press coverage. And with the press coverage comes all the bullshit we've
had to put up with it for years... Let's face it, he blew his gasket
over a article over some of his players drinking too much. What will he
be like when they really start to stir it, and lets face it yesterdays
pathetic outburst won't help him one little bit.....I have always
wondered how he would react when he was put under a little bit of media
pressure, I'm beginning to find out.....
Neil...
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382.21 | | BERN01::GOODEJ | Mr Dragon | Tue Jun 14 1994 11:40 | 12 |
|
Re .18
Dezzz,
please don't generalise. I think you really mean that the English
press are guilty of Schadenfreude, not the British press as a whole. As
far as the South Wales Echo not publishing Irish football results, its
news to me that they've started publishing ANY football results! It'll
never catch on in Wales! 8-)
JBG
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382.22 | You can get a lot for 2� nowadays ;-) | BERN01::BOLGER | Jerry Bolger. | Tue Jun 14 1994 11:55 | 46 |
| Jim,
I think Neil was trying to imply that Maurice Setters is a dwarf,
although it is often difficult to translate his notes into gramatically
correct English. (Being Irish and living in Switzerland, at least I
have an excuse ;-).
Re: The rest of Neil's note:
I don't know about the rest of the Irish and associate Irish in here,
but it sort of makes me feel good to see people like Mr. Cossey
embittered and with nothing better to do than compare the Irish manager
who has taken his team to the WC Finals with the ex-English manager who
didn't.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to start up the Anglo-Celt war
party, I'm referring to one individual who has consistently spouted
s**t in any note where Ireland has been involved. I know plenty of
English (and British) people who always support Ireland when they play
against other "non-local" teams. Friendly rivalry is what sport is all
about, but the "Anyone but them" brigade don't contribute very much, in
my opinion.
Neil, tempted though I may be to tar all your countrymen with the same
brush as you have so effectively used on yourself, I will resist. In
fact I look forward to the day when Terry gets England on the road
again (same goes for Wales, N.I. and Scotland) so that everyone has
someone to shout for (and against).
Finally, I think Jack is right on the money in telling the Press where
to get off. He made the point that the Irish entourage have always been
open and accomodating to the Press, allowing them access to players and
staff where practicable (i.e. off the pitch). I don't think it was
entirely unreasonable for him to be upset when "inside stories" of
"excessive alcohol consumption" etc. etc. start to appear in an attempt
to liven up the stories for the non-committed reader. If Jack adopted
the same "Stay Away" approach as other teams, with security preventing
Pressmen access to the hotel and players, then the "Inside stories"
wouldn't appear. Well, I suppose they would probably appear in certain
papers anyway !
Keep taking the tablets,
Jerry.
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382.23 | Correction.... | GYMAC::DCASSIDY | | Tue Jun 14 1994 11:56 | 11 |
|
JBG,
Yes you're spot on...when I refer to the British Press I mean the
'nationals'...and I guess I really mean the 'gutter' press like the
SUN, Mirror , Mail, Express....
Goodness knows what they'll say if their great English cricket team
should lose a test to New Zealand.....
Dezzz.
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382.24 | | UNTADE::PCAS | Yorkie | Tue Jun 14 1994 11:57 | 9 |
|
I believe welshman Dave Page (alias Hector P. Rants), ex-noter in this very
conference and Sheffield United fan is working as a journo for the South
Wales Echo!! - so there may be some hope of Football results being
published in that rag at some time in the future.
As for Big Jacks outburst, I thought he was brilliant! - good man.
Al.
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382.25 | | BERN01::GOODEJ | Mr Dragon | Tue Jun 14 1994 12:10 | 12 |
|
Lets face it chaps, if the press wanted to be sensationalist about the
Irish squad we'd see headlines like:
"Jackie's Sober Squad"
or "Roy Keane : No Guinness for 6 weeks"
....but this stuff about the Irish squad labouriously sticking to
their staple diet in preparation for the WC is pretty boring really!!!
JBG
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382.26 | | PEKING::COSSEYN | | Tue Jun 14 1994 12:12 | 8 |
382.27 | | BERN01::BOLGER | Jerry Bolger. | Tue Jun 14 1994 12:13 | 11 |
382.28 | | PEKING::COSSEYN | | Tue Jun 14 1994 12:18 | 6 |
|
Re:27
Is he...Well knock me down with a feather....
Neil...
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382.29 | | IRNBRU::HOWARD | NYC,June 18 - ITA 0 - 2 RoI | Tue Jun 14 1994 12:28 | 25 |
| .22
>>> Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to start up the Anglo-Celt war
>>> party,
Jerry, I think you're too late, it's already started....how about we
call a cease-fire?...
let's get this thread started again....here's my prediction for the
starting 11 this Saturday night...
Bonner
Phelan Babb Ooh-Ahh Irwin
Staunton Sheridan Townsend Keane Houghton
Aldo
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382.30 | | GYMAC::DCASSIDY | | Tue Jun 14 1994 12:31 | 13 |
382.31 | Ahhhhhhhhh !!!!!@!!!!!!! | XSTACY::PHAYDEN | � Ne�-Max�-Z��n-Dweeb�e | Tue Jun 14 1994 12:48 | 23 |
| >>Is he...Well knock me down with a feather....
I will but only if there's an Emperor Penguin attached to it !
How can you compare Jack to Taylor. Jack handled the Press how they should be
handled. With contempt. If they don't play by his rules then they don't get
access to the team and press conferences etc...
Jack's quip about the players loosing Alcohol in the Orlando heat was seen over
here as being humorous because as everybody knows , the lads probably do consume
an odd Pint, but in Engerland , the Tabloids ,well they're so used to the inane
management style of Robson and Taylor they presume that players should be
treated like monks and that the manager will bow and scrape in the fear that
they will print somthing about him.
For Christ's sake in an interview on Sunday Grandstand which was filmed in Jacks
bedroom a Guinness tap could be clearly seen in the backround and the bar was
pointed out by Jack as being a feature of the room.
I don't know why I'm even wasting my time...
Good luck,
Peter.
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382.32 | Ignore him and his comments..... | KBOMFG::TANNER | Midnight is where the day begins.. | Tue Jun 14 1994 14:06 | 14 |
|
Dezz, Jerry, Peter and the rest... Don't let Neil get to you.. just ignore
the comments and laugh at the fact that Neil will be wanting teams to lose in
the States because he has no one to support... like nothing will change that....
nothing....
Iam sorry for the rest of the "genuine" British fans that their teams didn't
make it.. but Iam sure they will still enjoy the WC.... Neils biggest enjoyment
will be when Ireland lose..... It must be comforting to the real fans of
England to have an Ambassador like Mr Cossey....
yours in sport.....
-dave-
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382.33 | Opposite over adjacent completed.... | GYMAC::DCASSIDY | | Tue Jun 14 1994 14:26 | 8 |
|
Yeah....
Mmmm....
Righto Dave...I reckon Jeff Astle was offside ...oder...????
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382.34 | Get a grip Dave ;-)) | BERN01::BOLGER | Jerry Bolger. | Tue Jun 14 1994 15:32 | 25 |
| Dave,
Re:
> Neils biggest enjoyment will be when Ireland lose.....
What the hell are you talking about man ? Haven't you read my
predictions :
> CHAMPIONSHIP
>
> Date Match Location Match-up SCORE
> M/DD NO. FINAL
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> 7/17 52 Pasadena Ireland v Sweden 2-1
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
As you can see, Neil has nothing to look forward to in this WC ;-)
Roll on 1996,
Jerry.
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382.35 | | PEKING::COSSEYN | | Tue Jun 14 1994 15:50 | 14 |
|
Dave, nice note...
Don't worry lads I've got plenty to look forward too during the next
month.
Lets hope Jackie enjoys it and doesn't let those naughty boys from the
press wind him up to much...
Neil...
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382.36 | | PEKING::BAREFIELDA | BLUE IS THE COLOUR | Tue Jun 14 1994 16:39 | 9 |
382.37 | | IRNBRU::HOWARD | NYC,June 18 - ITA 0 - 2 RoI | Tue Jun 14 1994 16:42 | 6 |
382.38 | No need for that!!! | PEKING::COSSEYN | | Tue Jun 14 1994 16:50 | 11 |
382.39 | | XSTACY::PHAYDEN | � Ne�-Max�-Z��n-Dweeb�e | Tue Jun 14 1994 17:04 | 7 |
382.40 | alternatives to World Cup | ESSB::BREE | | Tue Jun 14 1994 17:18 | 11 |
382.41 | | UBOHUB::UVOMAILROOM | | Tue Jun 14 1994 17:19 | 3 |
|
Here here .40
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382.42 | NO COMMENT..... | GYMAC::DCASSIDY | | Tue Jun 14 1994 17:26 | 14 |
|
Well chaps ....here it is....straight from the horses mouth.....
<<< TRUCKS::DISK$USER72:[NOTES$LIBRARY]FOOTBALL.NOTE;1 >>>
-< FOOTBALL >-
================================================================================
Note 324.180 POSSIBLE NEW ENGLAND MANAGER. 180 of 309
PEKING::BAREFIELDA "BLUE IS THE COLOUR" 4 lines 19-JAN-1994 09:30
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Little things please little minds......
Andy..B
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382.43 | It's only a game | ISEPUB::CHAMPOLLION | Can-tas-tic | Tue Jun 14 1994 17:42 | 12 |
| As you can all see if you venture backwards in this topic, some of the
replies have been set hidden by me.
As a non-Irish and non-British national and as a moderator too, I felt
I had to cool the *discussion* a bit.
Allez, back to football, lads.
What are your preds for the first Ireland game?
Cheers
�JF?
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382.44 | viva | IVOSS1::TOMAN_RI | | Tue Jun 14 1994 22:09 | 13 |
| re: 9
Wait till you see the pitch at all the stadiums before you spout off
your conventional wisdom about the condition of the grass.
the grass will be soft enough for your team to land on their bottoms
without hurting themselves--lets just hope your team doesn't bore the
American fans with their play acting and defensive tactics
good luck
rick
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382.45 | | PEKING::COSSEYN | | Wed Jun 15 1994 14:19 | 5 |
|
Well, I don't belive it, I've only gone and drawn Ireland in our
departments sweepstake.....Gutted....
Neil...
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382.46 | | XSTACY::PHAYDEN | � Ne�-Max�-Z��n-Dweeb�e | Wed Jun 15 1994 14:34 | 3 |
| re: -1
You're gutted .I got England ;-)
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382.47 | Strange??? | PEKING::COSSEYN | | Wed Jun 15 1994 14:59 | 6 |
|
Thats Irish sweepstakes for you..... I'd stick to the tabloid newspapers
if I was you, at least they get the right teams competing....
Neil...
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382.48 | | AYOV11::KMCCLELLAND | The Honest Truth | Wed Jun 15 1994 15:14 | 12 |
| neil,
I though you'd be quite happy with Ireland.....
after all most of the players are English anyway.
worse even than that, they now have a Kilmarnock player in nets.
bad to worse ;-)
Kev....
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382.49 | | PEKING::COSSEYN | | Wed Jun 15 1994 16:49 | 10 |
|
Kev,
Strange isn't it, there was certainly a few smiles going around when
I pulled that one out of the hat....I even offered to swap it for the
likes of Boliva, Moroccco, Saudi Arabia, South Korea and even the good
ole US of A and I still didn't have any takers. Popular lot Jacks mob...
Looks like I'll have to keep it and hope I don't collect the pot...
Neil..
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382.50 | | SSMPRD::FSPAIN | I'm the King of Wishful Thinking | Wed Jun 15 1994 17:26 | 3 |
| re -1
Get a life !!
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382.51 | | KERNEL::MCKEAVENEYJ | Egg and bacon soda please... | Wed Jun 15 1994 18:00 | 10 |
|
Re .46
Peter, I just got the USA, would you like to swap? ;-/
That's meant to be a smile, but I got a walloping at the weekend. :-/
Se�n
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382.52 | | KERNEL::MCKEAVENEYJ | Egg and bacon soda please... | Wed Jun 15 1994 18:08 | 8 |
|
Re .51
Feargal,
You're only lowering yourself by acknowledging him.
Se�n
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382.53 | | XSTACY::PHAYDEN | � Ne�-Max�-Z��n-Dweeb�e | Wed Jun 15 1994 18:16 | 4 |
| Tanks for the offer Sean but I think I have a better chance with what I've got
;-)
Peter.
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382.54 | Ireland 1 (Aldo-57 mns) Italy 0! | ESSB::MCUNNIFFE | I am the best footballer in DEC by a long way | Wed Jun 15 1994 23:54 | 38 |
|
I am very excited about the start of the world cup at the moment, more
excited than for any previous competition. I have the feeling that it may be
a very good world cup with star players emerging.
It's now a couple of days to the Italian game and with Roy Keane's problems
at the moment, Ronnie could get his chance and he is going really well in
training at the moment.
I think Jack's team will be:
Bonner
Irwin McGrath Babb Phelan
Houghton Sheridan Keane Townsend Staunton
Coyne
My team would be as follows:
Bonner
Irwin McGrath Babb Phelan
Whelan
Houghton Keane Townsend Staunton
Aldo
It will be a very close game against the Italians. I'll stick my neck out and
go for a 1-0 win to the Irish with Aldo getting the goal after coming on at half
time for Coyne.
C U N N O
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382.55 | Where is the quality??? | PEKING::COSSEYN | | Thu Jun 16 1994 09:40 | 10 |
|
re:54
The only worry I have is the lack of creative midfielders. In the type
of heat they will be playing in I can't see them playing there normal
game of legging it around for 90 mins. So, what they need is someone to
put there foot on the ball and slow the pace down a bit...Whose capable
of doing that ?....
Neil..
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382.56 | Just one more day | COL01::GUMPEL | Blondes have more fun ... | Thu Jun 16 1994 09:48 | 11 |
| Gentlemen,
yesterday I saw a report on German TV, that officials are expecting
riots when Ireland plays Italy. The reasons which were given in this
article were Houligans from both sides and also a large gay festival in
New York. Even American supporters seem to change their peaceful
behaviour. The pictures, which showed the situation in Vancouver after
the Stanley Cup final on tuesday reminded me a lot on Europe a few
years ago.
Frank
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382.57 | Diving to wrong conclusions | SIOG::FITZPATRICK | | Thu Jun 16 1994 10:25 | 21 |
| >> yesterday I saw a report on German TV, that officials are expecting
>> riots when Ireland plays Italy. The reasons which were given in this
>> article were Houligans from both sides and also a large gay festival in
>> New York. Even American supporters seem to change their peaceful
>> behaviour. The pictures, which showed the situation in Vancouver after
>> the Stanley Cup final on tuesday reminded me a lot on Europe a few
>> years ago.
I reckon that German TV is doing a bit of a Klinsman, trying
to get people in trouble where no offence has been committed.
The truth is that the Irish supporters NEVER cause trouble.
NEVER have and hopefully NEVER will.
I have never heard of reports of Italian international team fans
causing trouble either.
And, just because Irish supporters would crawl past 10 naked
women to get to a pint, doesn't suggest they're gay!!
Michael.
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382.58 | | UPROAR::LEMP | We danced the Lumbago till dawn | Thu Jun 16 1994 10:26 | 12 |
| Neil,
>game of legging it around for 90 mins. So, what they need is someone to
>put there foot on the ball and slow the pace down a bit...Whose capable
>of doing that ?....
John Sheridan. I think Jack introduced Sheridan for the reasons you
mention (as much as it was caused by the reshuffle needed when Nial
Quinn got injured).
Paul.
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382.59 | | PEKING::COSSEYN | | Thu Jun 16 1994 12:32 | 4 |
|
Sheridan, are you serious...
Neil...
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382.60 | | UPROAR::LEMP | We danced the Lumbago till dawn | Thu Jun 16 1994 13:49 | 14 |
| Neil,
Yes, he's so lazy he'll never run around all day. Seriously, I don't
think Charlton has brought him in to chase around after the ball. The
five man midfield will give them extra options in this area and
Sheridan can pass the ball accurately. Hopefully, this will mean giving
away possession less which in turn leads to the entire team being less
knackered.
If he's told to slow it down then he can take the ball from deep
although I don't think he's particularly good at this.
Paul.
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382.61 | They should worry about their own fans!!!!! | KBOMFG::TANNER | Midnight is where the day begins.. | Thu Jun 16 1994 14:13 | 12 |
|
Frank is german TV trying to take the focus off their own fans????? like we
all know what happened in Austria a few weeks back... and Ireland has an
excellent reputation regarding their fans....
By the way when i mentioned how German fans celebrate I was refering to what
happened in this town and a lot of others after they won the WC 90. I live in
a country town with only 50,000 inhabitants.. That's why I hope the Germans
don't win......
-dave-
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382.62 | Tomorrow.. | COL01::GUMPEL | Blondes have more fun ... | Thu Jun 16 1994 15:07 | 11 |
| Dave,
don't try to cheat our co-noters, in Austria 50 Germans + AUSTRIANS had
a fight, during which one German was seriously injured. There were not
thousands of houligans destroying the whole centre of Vienna. Regarding
WC 90 I don't know what was going on in Kaufbeuren, but here in Cologne
- a city of 1 mio inhabitants - we had a big party. Not as big as the
one after the 1/2 final against England, but we showed how to
celebrate.
Frank
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382.63 | | CUCKOO::YEOMANSD | King Sad of the sad people | Thu Jun 16 1994 16:41 | 9 |
| Due to a lost bet, I have to spend the evening of 28th June, in an
Irish club in Harrow, wearing the full Ireland kit, cheering for the
boys in Green. To make this even slightly bearable, I'm going to have
to have a big bet on Ireland to win.
Is anyone offering better than 33/1 about Ireland and does anyone know
the nearest bookies to DECpark?
Dave.
|
382.64 | WHERE IS THE MODERATOR ? | SALES2::GRECO | | Thu Jun 16 1994 16:53 | 12 |
|
.44
Why .44 has not yet set hidden ?
If you are already so angry, what it will happen if another Maradona
will score against your team with a HAND ?
bye for now
Giuseppe
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382.65 | | KERNEL::MCKEAVENEYJ | Egg and bacon soda please... | Thu Jun 16 1994 16:54 | 12 |
|
Dave, it's nice to know you believe we'll make it to the final.
I didn't spot any "IFs" in the paragraph. ;-)
33/1 is the best you'll get for Ireland these days Dave, their odds
will only get lower from now until Saturday. Most booies have them at
25/1 now.
Se�n
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382.66 | | CUCKOO::YEOMANSD | King Sad of the sad people | Thu Jun 16 1994 16:58 | 6 |
| > I didn't spot any "IFs" in the paragraph. ;-)
Isn't the 28th June your last group match? Even I don't reckon you'll
get knocked out without playing all three 1st round matches.
Dave.
|
382.67 | | KERNEL::MCKEAVENEYJ | Egg and bacon soda please... | Thu Jun 16 1994 17:05 | 4 |
|
Thanks for pointing that out, these tablets go straight to my head.
Se�n
|
382.68 | | GYMAC::DCASSIDY | | Fri Jun 17 1994 11:35 | 4 |
|
Ireland are 75-1 in the States ''according to Danny Sheridan''....
Dezzz.
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382.69 | Not in Las Vegas...... | KBOMFG::TANNER | Midnight is where the day begins.. | Fri Jun 17 1994 14:33 | 15 |
|
Dezz... ARD had a program on last night concerning the WC.. and one part of
the program was showing the odds in Las Vegas.... The four favourites were
Brazil, Germany, Argentina, and Columbia in that order.... It showed all the
odds... Ireland were at 25-1, and the States were at 30-1....
It wasn't a bad program though the more I hear Matthaus talking the less I
like the guy... He runs the team not Vogts.... Well if the Germans haven't
success at football maybe it'll work out with music!!!!! They must have three
or four songs out for the WC.. last night a new one with The Scorpions... I
would love to see them on stage with Nina Hagen!!!!!!
-dave-
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382.70 | here we go, here we go, here we go | IRNBRU::HOWARD | NYC,June 18 - ITA 0 - 2 RoI | Fri Jun 17 1994 17:21 | 16 |
| I'm off for the weekend. I've just one more thing to say
COME ON IRELAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The bookies are offering odds of 5-1 for an Irish win tomorrow night.
I'll have some of that. If there's any Irish in Ayr who are looking for
somewhere to look at the match, a gang of us will be in the rugby club
in Ayr, just past the cottage.
I suppose I'll need a new personal name as well....I also got Bolivia
in the office sweep today....COME ON BOLIVIA....
ITA 0 - 2 RoI
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382.71 | | TRUCKS::SANT | network partner exited | Fri Jun 17 1994 18:01 | 11 |
|
Well I suppose I'd better say it...
Good luck to the Paddies this weekend. Italy are my tip for the
trophy but you can nick a point I guess ;-)
Just beat Norway forchristsake!
I'll even drink a Guiness tomorrow night while I'm in t'pub.
Andy.
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382.72 | A comment from a Mexican guy | MEXW31::ODOMINGUEZ | | Fri Jun 17 1994 21:20 | 19 |
| hi everybody
I'm from MEXICO, you usually are talking about ireland only
what is you guess on this GROUP "the DEAD GROUP"
I really hope that Mexico go to the next round, but if I'm
honest I don't think so.
We usually have a good players but as a team...
You may not that we were 2nd play on the AMERICAN CUP (Argentina
is the champiom), we play versus BOLIVIA, COLOMBIA...BRASIL
was there, so the MEXICAN people like me want to see the team
playing as they did on this cup.
My guess
Italy vs Ireland 1 1
Italy vs Mex 2 1
Italy vs Noruega 2 1
Irela vs Noruega 1 1
Mex vs Noruega 1 1
Irlan vs Mex 0 0
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382.73 | 1-0, 1-0, 1-0, 1-0, 1-0 | BONKIN::BOYLE | Tony. Melbourne, Australia | Sun Jun 19 1994 13:29 | 15 |
| IRELAND 1 ITALY 0
Great game
Great goal
Great win!
The only downside of the match (apart from getting up at 5:30am) was
listening to Martin Tyler commentating. I lost count of the number of
times he told us that most of the team were born in England and only
had Irish ancestors. He also mentioned the English manager a few times!
I think Tyler might be better off going home and watching BBC re-runs
of the 1966 world cup final, his jealousy was showing through.
Tony.
|
382.74 | | BUSSTP::DREES | | Sun Jun 19 1994 15:21 | 14 |
|
Solid performance and a great result. I hope Charlton can keep
everyones feet on the ground but it will be tough. Expectations must
now be higher than ever.....has any other side beaten Germany, Holland
and Italy in a row ? I doubt it.
congratulations...
Del.
ps. re.last
During the opening match Barry Davies mentioned England on 7 different
occasions during the 90 mins. Sad really.........
|
382.75 | | MASALA::ISUTHERLAND | I'll be forever blue... | Sun Jun 19 1994 17:58 | 13 |
|
Great result for England reserves last night. ;>)
It was proved last night that if you snuff out Baggio.(R) and Baresi,
then the Italians are an ordinary team.Scotland proved it at Ibrox in the
qualifiers,and they're p!$$ poor.
I think the Norwegians may cause them some problems to.
The Italian defence looked as sound as the Columbian one at times.
Perhaps Saatchi should consider playing Tassoti and Maldini in the
centre of defence with Massaro and Savicevic (sp),up front. ;>)
Very surprised to see Coyne being booked for cheating.....
NOT!
|
382.76 | | MUNSBE::CHEQUER | It's the way I write um | Mon Jun 20 1994 09:24 | 4 |
| Good result.
I don't like all the passing back to the goalie. Really slows the game
down, still I guess that's what Charlton wanted.
|
382.77 | Congratulations | SALES2::GRECO | | Mon Jun 20 1994 09:34 | 13 |
|
After the Saturday's match, Italy is in a stir. People still don't
believe to have lost the match. A poll made just before the match,
showed that more than 70 percent of Italians believed in a win for 2-0
or more. Now, after the match the same amount of people think that the
team will be certainly defeated. Sacchi, that was considered a great
trainer, now is believed a stupid. This is typical italian.
Congratulations to the Irish.
Giuseppe
|
382.78 | | MUNSBE::CHEQUER | It's the way I write um | Mon Jun 20 1994 09:40 | 3 |
| I think a lot of Irish will also be a little amazed also. I guess most
will have to big a hangover to remember though :).
|
382.79 | | IRNBRU::HOWARD | Orlando 24/6/94 RoI 3-1 Mexico | Mon Jun 20 1994 09:46 | 14 |
| oh my head....____well, as that great South American commentator once said..
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golgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgol
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382.80 | | MUNSBE::CHEQUER | It's the way I write um | Mon Jun 20 1994 10:03 | 13 |
| I think he actually said
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golgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgol
golgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgol
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golgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgolgoal
^
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382.81 | | IRNBRU::HOWARD | Orlando 24/6/94 RoI 3-1 Mexico | Mon Jun 20 1994 11:30 | 6 |
| Hey Cunno and the Irish based lads,
How's about a few headlines from the Irish papers for us ex-pats????
Has Amoan Grumpy been stirring it again????
Ray..(missing the atmos back home but I'll be there this Friday)..
|
382.82 | Ole Ole O lay | XSTACY::CMAGUIRE | Ireland - 16/1 and dropping fast | Mon Jun 20 1994 11:48 | 5 |
| All good news from the Irish papers.
Award for the most obvious headline goes to 'News of the World'.
"PIZZA CAKE - Ireland beat the Pasta Masters"
Crap or what ?
Conor.
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382.83 | Update | KERNEL::MCKEAVENEYJ | Egg and bacon soda please... | Mon Jun 20 1994 13:16 | 22 |
| P W D L GF GA Pts
Ireland 1 1 0 0 1 0 3
Norway 1 1 0 0 1 0 3
Italy 1 0 0 1 0 1 0
Mexico 1 0 0 1 0 1 0
18th June '94
East Rutherford Italy 0-1 Ireland
19th June '94
Washington Norway 1-0 Mexico
23rd June '94
East Rutherford Italy v Norway
24th June '94
Orlando Ireland v Mexico
28th June '94
Washington Italy v Mexico
East Rutherford Ireland v Norway
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382.84 | Not bad at all... | XSTACY::PHAYDEN | � Ne�-Max�-Z��n-Dweeb�e | Mon Jun 20 1994 14:04 | 4 |
| Good game , Great tactics , Great performances , Great Goal.
Overall the World Cup isn't bad so far.
Peter.
|
382.85 | | IRNBRU::HOWARD | Orlando 24/6/94 RoI 3-1 Mexico | Mon Jun 20 1994 14:36 | 15 |
| I've just read some of the game reviews in some of the British papers.
They're almost wetting themselves over McGrath's performance. Where's
our man in Italia, Dom Turner, for the Italian angle?
The news about Coyne is bad. FIFA must relent on the `no water on the
pitch' rule or someone will be seriosly damaged. Coyne collapsed on the
flight back to Orlando. Apparently the situation was worsened because
Coyne had to provide the pi....(ahem), urine sample and there was
nothing left in the tank, so he drank loads of water and he re-hydrated
himself too quickly. Charlton will make an official complaint today.
I've also just collected the 60 quid that I won on the match. Don't you
just love Mondays....
Ray....
|
382.86 | John Sheridan can always find the nearest Bar | WOTVAX::GREENJA | Andy Green | Mon Jun 20 1994 14:57 | 22 |
| re .84
Peter,
I think I'd go along with your analysis, and certainly I enjoyed
watching the match (Kevin Moran was shown about 4 times :-), great
stuff!)
The only black mark for Ireland was picking up 3 unnecessary bookings.
The fouls by Irwin and Phelan were recklessly stupid and both justified
a card IMO. I suppose Coyne was a bit unlucky in that he'd been
smacked on the head and didn't seem to understand what was going on.
Personally I think this get-up or get-off policy is working well so far.
Cheers,
Andy
p.s. If I was driving the golf cart I suspect the temptation to roll
over the leg of a performing Klinsmann would be too good to miss ;-)
|
382.87 | | XSTACY::PHAYDEN | � Ne�-Max�-Z��n-Dweeb�e | Mon Jun 20 1994 15:09 | 15 |
| I'd agree that the two of the bookings were justified. Irwin maybe just lost his
footing trying to stop himself from going in on the player but it did look bad.
Coyne's booking wasn't at all fair and really there should be some form of
appeal available to players after the game. I suppose there is consolation in
the fact that yellow cards don't carry to the second round.
I'd imagine that Cascarino will line out (if fit) against the Mexican's , they
were brutal in the air last night and as for their keeper , well, 'nuf said.
Norway will be a tough game and I think that we do need to beat Mexico to be
assured of qualification to the second phase.
Roll on Friday,
Peter.
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382.88 | Appeals against booking/sending off | YOUWOT::HOUSEN | World famous brick hypnotist | Mon Jun 20 1994 15:52 | 7 |
| I heard that for this World Cup they ARE allowing an appeal against yellow/red
cards - by use of video... I'm not sure what the criteria is for appealing -
ie. whether you have to wait until the player receives two yellow cards, and
then appeal against the first one; I dare say it will become clearer later
in the tournament.
Norman
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382.89 | Accumulation of Yellows? | MTWAIN::BURROWS | WC'94; Football in Foxboro | Mon Jun 20 1994 16:03 | 10 |
| Is there some sort of an "accumulation rule" on yellow cards I am not aware of?
FIFA rules= 1 yellow has no effect on the next game; you can draw 1 yellow in
every game you play with no effect on subsequent games?
2 yellows in a game draws a red and you sit out the next game.
World Cup rules= Different?
Clark
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382.90 | | XSTACY::PHAYDEN | � Ne�-Max�-Z��n-Dweeb�e | Mon Jun 20 1994 16:09 | 13 |
| >>FIFA rules= 1 yellow has no effect on the next game; you can draw 1 yellow in
>> every game you play with no effect on subsequent games?
In the W.C 1st round if you get a yellow card in any two games you are suspended
for 1 game. If you receive a red card in any game you are suspended for 2 games.
From the 2nd round on, red merits a two match suspension and 2 yellows in adn
two games means a one game suspension.
Clear as mud,
Peter.
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382.91 | Green | PIECES::63597::oneills | Place holder for NOTES | Mon Jun 20 1994 16:26 | 7 |
| I wonder what that smug Italian who was sitting beside me in the
Olympic stadium in ROme feels now. Just like I did 4 years ago!
Roll on Orlando.
Shane
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382.92 | | KERNEL::MCKEAVENEYJ | Egg and bacon soda please... | Mon Jun 20 1994 16:49 | 33 |
|
I think this game was won first and foremost by the tactics Jackie boy
used, but tactics or no tactics it wouldn't mean sh*t if the boys in
green hadn't given their all for 90 minutes. Can't say who was best for
the Irish, this must be the first occassion when the whole team were
contenders for MOTM, but since Tommy Coyne did so much and very rarely
took in water during the game (if at all he did), I'd say he's earned
his place in Heaven, well, a free pint on me anyway.
R.Baggio and Baresi??? Who??? Never heard of them, personal, I think
Dino Baggio was best for the Italians, but we had him covered :-)
Roll on Friday, this will probably be more difficult for us, not cos
the Mexicans are a better team than the Italians, but cos I think the
heat might tell this time round for the Irish. I'll be happy with a
draw, ecstatic with a win.
Did anybody else hear one of the reasons the Italians gave for getting
beat, apparently they had been doing all their training using the ball
that we use here in Europe, the difference between this ball and the
one being used in WC'94 is that WC'94's ball is lighter. HA! lame
excuse or what. They were shut up though when FIFA came out and said
that every team in the WC were given a quantity of balls which they
were told would be the balls they would be using during the tournament.
Se�n
Ps...Lets hope FIFA have no rulings against a minutes silence for those
killed in Northern Ireland.
and a mention for those Mexican fans also who were killed in a
plane crash flying up for the game.
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382.93 | | MTWAIN::BURROWS | WC'94; Football in Foxboro | Mon Jun 20 1994 16:59 | 10 |
| If you draw your second yellow card of the round in a game other than the
one in which you received your first yellow, does your team play with 10
players on the field for the remaider of the second game?
That would seem to give an unfair advantage to your second opponent over a
completely innocent team, such as the one you received your first yellow
against.
Clark
|
382.94 | | BERN01::GOODEJ | Mr Dragon | Mon Jun 20 1994 17:00 | 16 |
|
Great win, well deserved on their performance. I was a bit worried
that they'd struck a bit early and would be struggling to keep Italy
out for the next 80 odd minutes. As it turned out, Ireland controlled
the game from then on & the Italians only looked threatening for the
first 15 minutes of the second half. Ireland stayed cool & McGrath &
Babb played out of their skins. I felt Italy made the mistake of not
putting Bonner under pressure with all the back-passes. Thats what the
new(ish) ruling was for, & Bonner never looked comfortable. Still, I'm
glad really as Ireland gave everything. I'd take commitment over skill
any day, not that Ireland are lacking in skill, just that with all
their stars, they were expected to win. They lost because they won no
loose ball, were always closed down, and gave Ireland too much time on
the break.
JBG
|
382.95 | It's a simple game... | XSTACY::PHAYDEN | � Ne�-Max�-Z��n-Dweeb�e | Mon Jun 20 1994 17:08 | 11 |
| >>If you draw your second yellow card of the round in a game other than the
>>one in which you received your first yellow, does your team play with 10
>>players on the field for the remaider of the second game?
No. you carry on as normal but the player is suspended for the following game.
What the situation is if you get a second yellow in the last game of group 1 is
one that I'm unsure of. If yellow cards don't carry into the second round will
you be suspended or is the slate wiped clean ?
Peter.
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382.96 | Can it be! | NEMAIL::PILATON | Nick Pilato DECUS IM&T Supervisor | Mon Jun 20 1994 17:24 | 6 |
| From an Italian point of view..... McGrath was the MOTM. Great game!
Can someone confirm... There was a yellow given at every game so far
and I believe ITALY is the only team without a card issued! Hummm! (:^))
Nick
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382.97 | Who was playing on Saturday night anyway ? ;-) | BERN02::BOLGER | Jerry Bolger. | Mon Jun 20 1994 17:36 | 14 |
| My hands have steadied themselves enough now to let them near a
keyboard. By mid-afternoon yesterday I could almost talk again !
I'm still not sure that my head is back to normal (shut up, JBG !)
but it was all in a good cause.
I think everything has already been said about the game. I'ld like to
take this opportunity to thank the ref for allowing us four extra
minutes to enjoy our dominance over the Italians (Doesn't he know that
my Da has a heart condition ;-) !). Also, perhaps we should spare a
thought for our old friend Schilachi (sp?). My thought is "REVENGE" ;-)
I wonder who we'll meet in the final ;-)
Jerry.
|
382.98 | Wrong balls this | GVA02::LUANDA::Lainsbury | OK - You got me.... | Mon Jun 20 1994 17:53 | 7 |
| No-one has mentioned the possible foul by Babb that could have given
the Italians a pen. Very touch and go, and many referees would have given it,
including myself if I was the man in cerise or mustard yellow (uughh).
However, it would have been unjust as the best team won. (and that's
from an Englishman).
|
382.99 | Me biased ? Never | BERN02::BOLGER | Jerry Bolger. | Mon Jun 20 1994 18:14 | 9 |
| F**k off, he got the ball !
Jerry.
;-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
At least it looked like that to me, but then I was looking through the
end of an emerald-tinted beer glass !
|
382.100 | Just some wishfull thinking... | XSTACY::PHAYDEN | � Ne�-Max�-Z��n-Dweeb�e | Mon Jun 20 1994 18:15 | 100 |
| Chart the likely path to the final for Ireland if we come either first or second
or third in our group.
Naturally not every angle could be covered but here are some anyway.
Not that I seriously think that we can get there in light of the fact that we
would probably have to face...
Ireland 1st
|
|
Argentina or
Nigeria 2nd from D
|
|
Germany
|
|
Spain or
Columbia or
Argentina or
Nigeria
|
|
Brazil or
Italy
Ireland 2nd
|
|
Holland or
Belgium
|
|
Brazil
|
|
Romania or
Holland
|
|
Italy or
Germany
Ireland 3rd ( 1st scenario )
|
|
Argentina or
Nigeria
|
|
Spain or
Colombia
|
|
Germany or
Italy
|
|
Brazil
Ireland 3rd (Second scenarion )
|
|
Romania
|
|
Belgium or
Holland
|
|
Italy or
Brazil
|
|
Germany or
Nigeria
I made these possible scenarios up very quickly so please don't give me the crap
that it's impossible etc...just let me know what you think.
Of course there are plenty more possible paths depending on winners of certain
games but I feel that these are the most likely. Granted , the third place ones
are unlikely but maybe we'd be better off finishing in third place when you look
at these.
Finishing first. I thought the big names shouldn't meet until the semi's ? Looks
like the hardest rout to me.
Second looks best and would suit me fine,
Peter.
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382.101 | What an annoying man Jack is... | PEKING::COSSEYN | | Tue Jun 21 1994 09:23 | 8 |
|
Jack Charlton is getting right on my tits complaining about this water
issue, his constant wingeing reminds me so much of that other idiot
Graham Taylor...
Good result Saturday...
Neil..
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382.102 | Italian job done well..... | GYMAC::DCASSIDY | | Tue Jun 21 1994 09:31 | 12 |
| The first scenario is the more favorable one eventhough Germany would
be a quarter finalist. All the games through to the final would be in
New York...Now eventhough its tough there.. by the time a hopeful 1/4
final came along the Germans would be playing 'away' in the
Meadowlands.....
Absolutely delighted with the result by the way...Townsend and Keane
were to me the difference...Townsend winning in the air whilst Keane did a
job on the Italian midfield similar to the one he did in Hannover ;
McGrath...well what can you say....
Dezzz.
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382.103 | Let the water flow.. | YELBUS::DSMITH | It's over the line... | Tue Jun 21 1994 09:37 | 17 |
|
Considering the state that Tommy Coyne was in after Saturday's game,
Charlton is quite right to complain about the water issue. Players
could be made quite ill if they are not properly re-hydrated during
matches. A couple of 30 second times-outs during each half seems to
be a pretty sensible idea to me, ie when someone is being
"power-strechered" off the park, refill the boys then.
Danny.
ps How are you enjoying the world cup without the glorious England team
Neil? Mind you, the number of times that Engerland are mentioned by
the commentators, I'm quite sure they'll suddenly appear and make
a dramatic appearance in USA.
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382.104 | Jackie Taylor or is it Graham Charlton! | PEKING::COSSEYN | | Tue Jun 21 1994 10:04 | 12 |
|
I agree it is dangerous for the players not to have water, but, every
report ?. It's obvious what Charlton is trying to do....
I'm Enjoying the Championships so far with the Romania, Columbia and
Brazil being the outstanding teams, So Far!. Their are no really weak
sides, though plenty of average ones. It's a shame England arn't there as
I'm sure under Terry Venables England would have done well. Also, don't you
think this is what the championships are lacking at the moment. Lets
face it, every world competition needs England..
Neil..
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382.105 | | KERNEL::MCKEAVENEYJ | Egg and bacon soda please... | Tue Jun 21 1994 12:23 | 11 |
|
Well folks, This seems like the appropriate note to write my fairwell.
After all, it will probably be going until 17th of July :-).
I've enjoyed these notes, guess I'm going to miss them, what with the
banter, humour, and that sorry bloke COSSEYN :-), Oh, and Cunnooooooo.
Take care and Viva Ireland USA '94.
Se�n
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382.106 | | GYMAC::DCASSIDY | | Tue Jun 21 1994 12:44 | 4 |
|
Take care Sean.....all the best....
Dezzz.
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382.107 | | IRNBRU::HOWARD | Orlando 24/6/94 RoI 3-1 Mexico | Tue Jun 21 1994 14:40 | 3 |
| good luck Se�n....just when it's getting interesting as well....
Ray....
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382.108 | Good Luck Se�n. | XSTACY::PHAYDEN | � Ne�-Max�-Z��n-Dweeb�e | Tue Jun 21 1994 14:40 | 8 |
| Always entertaining and informative. Can safely say that I've never
"Next Unseened" over one of your notes, unlike some others I could mention
( Hi Neil & Andy ) ;-)
Good luck in the future,
Peter(An Impartial Celt)
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382.109 | thirsty work... | XSTACY::JDUGGAN | | Tue Jun 21 1994 14:43 | 9 |
| Just heard on the radio that a compromise has been
reached on the drinking-water-during-the-game problem.
FIFA are to allow teams to throw bags of water to their
players during the game.... Jack seems to be happy with
that,
Jim.
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382.110 | | PEKING::COSSEYN | | Tue Jun 21 1994 15:03 | 6 |
|
Jack's happy with that, oh good, what will Jack find to moan about now ?.
Neil..
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382.111 | | KERNEL::MCKEAVENEYJ | Egg and bacon soda please... | Tue Jun 21 1994 15:15 | 5 |
|
Well folks, I'm about to walk out the door, keep an eye open for me on
the 28th in the Giants Stadium, I'll be wearing the Irish Top.. :-)
Se�n
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382.112 | Referee killed by flying Guinness 6-pack | WOTVAX::GREENJA | Andy Green | Tue Jun 21 1994 15:16 | 12 |
|
This throwing water bags sounds like great fun, but what are the rules?.
Does the play have to stop ?
Is there a maximum range ?
How many throwers are allowed ?
Can the crowd join in ?
Must it be water ?
Cheers,
Andy
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382.113 | | XSTACY::PHAYDEN | � Ne�-Max�-Z��n-Dweeb�e | Tue Jun 21 1994 15:28 | 3 |
| Well if we showed him some of your notes Neil I'm sure he could find somthing ;-)
Peter.
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382.114 | | GYMAC::DCASSIDY | | Tue Jun 21 1994 15:53 | 7 |
|
Now surely this isn't the first time that the Finals have been held in
a 'hot' weather country ?? What happened in Italy,Mexico and Spain ???
I seem to remember players having bags of water on the field ???
Dezzz.
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382.115 | | ROMA::KUMAR | | Tue Jun 21 1994 17:22 | 11 |
| Re: .114
You're spot on, Dezzz. I remember small bags of water begin tossed to
players in the '82 WC in Spain. If memory serves me right, that was the
first world cup where the loss of body fluids was recognised. I think I
even remember the english players biting of packets of water or ice and
sucking on it.
I was wondering why this wasn't done in this WC. Instead we've been
seeing the plastic containers. At least they've figured it out now.
Kumar
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382.116 | | MASALA::ISUTHERLAND | I'll be forever blue... | Tue Jun 21 1994 18:12 | 6 |
|
Re:last
The water bags definitely happened in Mexico,not sure about Spain.
I too, am wondering why this hasn't been allowed from the start of
these championships.
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382.117 | The wife's still speaking to me... | PAVONE::TURNER | | Tue Jun 21 1994 18:38 | 58 |
| Well, I guess apologies for absence are due! I dearly wanted to give you guys
the Italian side of the buildup to Saturday's big match, but it just happens
that I've been sunning myself in Minorca for the last fortnight...and very nice
it was too! So you'll have to make do with this post-match (or should I say
"post mortem", given that it's the Italian angle...) analysis.
First of all, Ireland were magnificent. During the last few weeks, I've lost
count of the number of "experts" here who have said that the Irish would
collapse in the New Jersey heat, and that their style of play was suicidal,
etc. So what a laugh to see McAteer (great prospect for the future) skipping
past Maldini and Albertini as he took the ball into the penalty area, leaving
them dead in their tracks, tongues hanging out. Indeed, of all the teams I've
seen so far, Italy are the team that appear to have been most at odds with the
heat and humidity. I think they *can* raise their game (I should bloody hope
so too!), but it has to be a worry for Sacchi that they're looking sodrained at
such an early stage.
But what about Ireland? Great team performance, but if I've got to name names,
then I can look no further than McGrath and Townsend. McGrath hobbles along as
though he's in need of a double knee operation, but when he actually starts to
run, there are still few quicker players over 20 yards. I was reminded of the
young McGrath I saw play in midfield for Man Utd. against Juventus 10 years
back, when he held Boniek stride-for-stride over 50 yards...and Boniek's
possibly the fastest player I've ever seen. Townsend must have iron lungs; his
interception and break in the last minute (admittedly, he made for the corner
flag rather than the penalty area!) must have been the most demoralising moment
of the lot for Italy.
I watched the game in a Minorcan bar along with my wife (Italian) and 3 year
old daughter (more interested in persuading me to teach her how to play
pinball!), and another Italian couple. The Italian contingent took defeat
pretty well, thugh they had few kind words for their own team. The wife took
the baby off to bed early in the second half; her parting shot was: "You'll see
- we'll score now!", and at that moment, Signori very nearly did, with Italy's
only decent shot of the game! The Spaniards in the bar seemed to be supporting
Italy (Latin solidarity!), but there were a fair number of English tourists too
(I think the inhabitants of Yorkshire/Lancashire regard Minorca as a second
home!) a nd they were well behind Irel Good atmosphere - nothing too
serious.
Gotta hurry - here are a few fragments from the Italian camp:
- Most hilarious quote of the night? Beppe Signori, the Lazio forward: "Well, I
wouldn't like to be in Ireland's shoes. If they play like that, they won't go
far in this tournament". Nice one, Beppe!
- The general consensus here is that Italy got little right. The main targets
for derision were Pagliuca (I thought he was at fault with the goal, but kept
Italy in the game in the 2nd half), Albertini (was he playing?) and Tassotti
(leaden-footed). The press reckon that Casiraghi, Massaro, Berti and
Bennarivo will now come into the side, in place of Evani, Donadoni, Tassotti
and A.N. Other.
- Most people here, including Pagliuca, thought that Houghton mishit his shot
and shot without even looking. Possibly, but you can't begrudge Ireland the
victory.
Dom
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382.118 | Brothers Baggio ? | ESSB::MANNING | Blessed are the Cheese Makers ...... | Wed Jun 22 1994 12:24 | 12 |
|
Can anyone out there settle an argument (Dom ?).
During the Ireland/Italy match George Hamilton, RTE's commentator, kept
referring to the two Baggio's as brothers. This was news to me and most of
us watching. Is it true or is it as accurate as Georges description of the
'electric' stretchers.
Thanks,
Fintan
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382.119 | | IRNBRU::HOWARD | Orlando 24/6/94 RoI 3-1 Mexico | Wed Jun 22 1994 12:28 | 6 |
| .118
as far as I know, they aren't even related
Ray....
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382.120 | | PAVONE::TURNER | | Wed Jun 22 1994 12:45 | 4 |
| Confirmed. Roberto is from Vicenza; Dino is from...er, somewhere else
(near Turin, I think).
Dom=
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382.121 | Going back in time? | PAVONE::TURNER | | Wed Jun 22 1994 12:49 | 8 |
| Incidentally, was anyone else struck by the similarities between the
Italy vs. Ireland match and the England vs. Ireland match during EC88?
Same scoreline, same scorer, goal scored in the first 15 minutes, etc.
Although I think it's fair to say that England did trouble Bonner a
little more than Italy did after they went behind ;-)
Dom
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382.122 | rock on | RUTILE::AUNGIER | The world's n largest computer company | Wed Jun 22 1994 13:50 | 36 |
| >================================================================================
>Note 382.104 World Cup '94 Group E 104 of 120
>PEKING::COSSEYN 12 lines 21-JUN-1994 09:04
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> -< Jackie Taylor or is it Graham Charlton! >-
>
>
> I agree it is dangerous for the players not to have water, but, every
> report ?. It's obvious what Charlton is trying to do....
>
> I'm Enjoying the Championships so far with the Romania, Columbia and
> Brazil being the outstanding teams, So Far!. Their are no really weak
> sides, though plenty of average ones. It's a shame England arn't there as
> I'm sure under Terry Venables England would have done well. Also, don't you
> think this is what the championships are lacking at the moment. Lets
> face it, every world competition needs England..
>
> Neil..
Neil,
This is a hooligan free world cup, I wonder why. The athmosphere at
all the matches I have seen on the box is great, no drunken louts
running riot in the streets.
Nigeria played a great match last night, the students (Nigeria.
Saudi Arabia, Ireland etc) have become the masters it would seem.
I enjoy reading your tripe, it sounds like you repeat what the rag
mags have to say. Thanks I can listen to Eric Cantona speaking about
the merits of the Irish and no biased British station.
Hasta el final triste.
Ren�
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382.123 | All the way | UPROAR::LEMP | We danced the Lumbago till dawn | Wed Jun 22 1994 14:02 | 7 |
| I've been busy all week so far but better late than never.
Well done Big Jack and the team. I hope the old farts at Lancaster Gate
were watching.
Paul.
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382.124 | It's a differant mentality | PEKING::COSSEYN | | Wed Jun 22 1994 14:44 | 14 |
|
Rene,
There are two reasons why it's a hooligan free World Cup.
1. A slap, and a kick up the arse to the folks in the states is
regarded as pretty tame compared to what they are used to.
I mean, would they stop all there programmes and go over live
to watch a few supporters cuffing each other, I don't think so.
2. The lager is also pi** poor...
Neil..
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382.125 | Neil could win a fortune!!!!! | KBOMFG::TANNER | Midnight is where the day begins.. | Wed Jun 22 1994 15:24 | 20 |
|
Common Neil your up to win a fortune if Ireland win!!!! Well I won a few
marks on Sat night in the Irish pub down here in Germany.. I tipped the right
result.... There were 4 or 5 Italians fans present and we had a lot of fun...
Very good game, and a deserved win as well..... Fridays story will be
different in Orlando.... 35-40 degree heat and 75-95% humidty aren't perfect
conditions for playing footie!!!!!!
Are Phelan, Irwin, and Coyne out for fridays game because they got booked????
Well the best games take place in the early hours and the worst games so far
have been the two games by the Germans....
all the best......
-davie-
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382.126 | | MUNSBE::CHEQUER | It's the way I write um | Wed Jun 22 1994 16:02 | 3 |
| was there any trouble after the Italy/Ireland game. I heard reports
that the police were really worried.
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382.127 | | BERN01::BOLGER | Jerry Bolger. | Wed Jun 22 1994 16:04 | 13 |
| Dave,
Re:
> Are Phelan, Irwin, & Coyne out for fridays game because they got booked?
Thankfully not ! Two Yellows results in a one-match ban, so they'll be
OK on Friday. They'll have to behave themselves though !
Jerry.
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382.128 | | ADISSW::SMYTH | | Wed Jun 22 1994 19:10 | 10 |
| re .126
There was absolutely no trouble after the game on Saturday. A few fans
who tried to get on the pitch after the win were led away by the cops
and let out a side entrance. The Irish fans have never caused any
trouble! This was scare-mongering by the media. Any of the cops I saw
interviewed said that the media were making mountains out of
mole-hills.
Joe.
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382.129 | He's an annoying foul mouthed YOB!! | PEKING::COSSEYN | | Thu Jun 23 1994 12:06 | 7 |
|
I see FIFA have had enough of that Geordie big mouth and have told him
to "shut it" .. "No other coach or team has seen fit to make
any criticism. But Mr Charlton is attacking FIFA almost daily". Said
Secretary Blatter..
Neil...
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382.130 | | IRNBRU::HOWARD | Orlando 24/6/94 RoI 3-1 Mexico | Thu Jun 23 1994 12:08 | 5 |
| Neil
I'm tempted to say `it takes one to know one', but I won't....
Ray....
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382.131 | | XSTACY::PHAYDEN | � Ne�-Max�-Z��n-Dweeb�e | Thu Jun 23 1994 12:27 | 20 |
| I wonder Neil how many other managers will be chucking bags of water onto the
Pitch now that ol' "Big mouth" has got that concession out of FIFA.
Obviously if they didn't need it they won't use it.
Maybe it's like a lot of things where only people with guts and balls will stand
up against the "System" instead of cowering in corner and waiting for somebody
else to do the dirty work.
You can bet that they were all complaining behind FIFA's back but they were also
afraid of upsetting Mr. Bladder & Havealunch.
How many complained openly over the blatent way in which Pele was not included
in any of the opening ceremonies because of Havealunchs' whim.
To me Hypocrites stink. If you have something to say and complain about well
then do it but you can't expect things to change while sitting on your arse.
Jack got on with getting what he wanted for the well being and health of his
players( not to gain an unfair advantage or to create turmoil ) and if you can't
respect a motive like that well you must really be one sad person.
Peter.
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382.132 | | FORTY2::FOWLERM | Enhance your calm | Thu Jun 23 1994 12:31 | 7 |
| re:-1
I agree totally. Jack had the bottle to stand up for his players against the
ridiculous FIFA regs. Compared to the whining at linesmen that England's last
manager got up to Jack comes out light years ahead.
Mike
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382.133 | defending Charlton | ESSB::BREE | | Thu Jun 23 1994 12:47 | 13 |
| re: last few
PHAYDEN is 100% right about Charlton. All teams will benefit from
Jack's efforts. FIFA are a bunch of self-serving incompetents.
Charlton is definitely a Geordie but foul mouthed? I don't think so.
He's also not a yob but he could find some in this conference if he
wanted to.
Now he may be annoying, especially if you're (a) a FIFA freeloader or
(b) English but these are subjective cases and not representative of
informed opinion.
Paul
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382.134 | Charlton one of lifes irritants!! | PEKING::COSSEYN | | Thu Jun 23 1994 13:10 | 6 |
|
Re: last few..
Your sad....You really are.....
Neil..
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382.135 | | MUNSBE::CHEQUER | It's the way I write um | Thu Jun 23 1994 13:53 | 7 |
|
Charlton has build a great team. And like he's team fight for him on
the pitch, he fights for them off the pitch. I think he does his team a
great service.
Quite frankly I would rather have one of lifes irritants as a manager
then one of lifes losers.
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382.136 | | UNTADE::PCAS | Eat stool food | Thu Jun 23 1994 14:21 | 7 |
|
Big Jack is my bloody hero!
He says what he believes is right, and usually, what he believes *is*
right.
Crack on.
Al.
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382.137 | | CHEFS::HARRISR | Baby don't cry | Thu Jun 23 1994 14:34 | 15 |
| So Jack Charlton is getting a ticking off for trying to stop his and
other teams players from getting seriously dehydrated. I would have
thought that after what had happend to Tommy Coyne F.I.F.A. would have
relented,but it seems like the same kind of people run F.I.F.A. as those
in the F.A.
As a sideline, some smart ass Americans have decided that the World Cup
cannot be called the World Cup as you cannot drink from the trophy.
Haven't some people got better things to do ?
Rich.
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382.138 | | PEKING::COSSEYN | | Thu Jun 23 1994 14:46 | 10 |
|
I can't belive you lot really like him, he annoy's me no end. His voice,
attitude everyting about him grates on my nerves...You all say you like
him but in the next breathe have a dig at Graham Taylor, the thing is,
they are clones of each other....Both have the tendency to wind folk
up before opening there gob...The only differance is one turned a bunch
of average players into a team, the other turned a great team into a bunch
of average players..
Neil..
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382.139 | Jack's the man. | XSTACY::JLUNDON | <A HREF="http://xagony.ilo.dec.com/personal/james/home.html"> | Thu Jun 23 1994 14:48 | 26 |
| I have to agree with Peter and Paul (no pun intended) that Jack was the
only person with a bit of backbone to stand up to the sheer incompetence of
FIFA. What does FIFA want - a person to fall over on the playing pitch
from dehydration or even more tragic to die from it before they will change
the insane rule they have concocted to increase the viewability of football
in certain parts of the world.
Now wouldn't that go down a dream with the American audience - all the
careful marketing done by FIFA of the game in the States would be down the
drain instantly if something like the above happened? These idiots can
only see $$$ signs and care not a whit about the fans, players or managers.
You only have to look as far as the attitude they took to the complaint by
Jack. If these people had been reasonable, Jack would have only had to
make one complaint and the situation would have been altered for the better
immediately.
Fair play Jackie! It's but another reason why his/our players are
literally willing to work their hearts out for manager/nation, unlike other
countries players close at hand who aren't in the world cup finals as we
speak. Just another reason why the Irish are one of the more successful
international side in the world at the moment...
Live by your principles and they will stand to you forever.
James.
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382.140 | What an Ars**ole he is!! | PEKING::COSSEYN | | Thu Jun 23 1994 15:31 | 14 |
|
The problem is, it's Irelands huff and puff game. All apart from Norway
(who didn't seem to have any problems) teams have players who can pass
and slow the game down, you don't want to leg it around like demented
chickens for 90 mins. Not in that heat and thats the majority of Irelands
game apart from passing it back to Bonner in goal and let him have ago
at hoofing it up the middle...If they really want water they can get
it, just as they did in the game against Italy. Makes you wonder
wheather Coyne actually collapsed on that plane. Personally, I think
it's another one of Jacks little ploys, it got FIFA to climb down, and
in turn has taken the pressure off his players by all the media hype
surrounding it...
Neil..
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382.141 | What an Ars**ole *he* is!! | XSTACY::PHAYDEN | � Ne�-Max�-Z��n-Dweeb�e | Thu Jun 23 1994 15:34 | 0 |
382.142 | | MUNSBE::CHEQUER | It's the way I write um | Thu Jun 23 1994 15:37 | 11 |
| neil, I think you've lost the plot on this one.
no one runs around for 1� hours in 30c+ and not suffer from
dehydration. There is nothing in it for jack to complain to FIFA other
than maybe he gets to give them water, as will all the other teams.
He's not vying for some special advantage, it's something for everyone
... remember this is also a new rule and not a good one at that.
If he's just taking the pressure off his players .... whats wrong with
that, as a manager that should be his primary responsibility.
|
382.143 | Neil...especially for you.... | GYMAC::DCASSIDY | | Thu Jun 23 1994 16:12 | 31 |
|
Neil, you're a lost soul really aren't you.....
FACT: You don't like Jack Charlton...no matter what he did.
FACT: Most other noters think he is OK ...from taking a balanced view on
the facts as they are presented.
FACT: You've a bigotted viewpoint...NOT ONCE did you praise anything
that the Irish team has done eventhough the Germans AND Italians
recognise their achievements.
FACT: You don't even have a sense of humour...if you did you would have
recognised the irony of getting the Irish team in your
sweepstake.
FACT: You've more place in the pussy-cats conference....then maybe you
will get the opportunity to scratch somebody's eyes out.
FACT to be established: I think most other noters would agree with the
facts as they are presented above.
PROPOSAL: Let others enjoy the World CUP without having to read your
literary sub-standard and adolescent points of view.
Kind Regards,
Dezzz.
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382.144 | | MUNSBE::CHEQUER | It's the way I write um | Thu Jun 23 1994 16:26 | 3 |
| I agree with the facts ... this time :)
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382.145 | | PEKING::COSSEYN | | Thu Jun 23 1994 16:29 | 11 |
|
Re:143
(-:
I really do like Jack, he's done a great job with the bunch of
Irishmen, great result against Germany, super result against Holland,
brilliant result against Italy....And blow me how funny I've picked
Ireland in the sweepstake. Ha ha ha . I must go home and have a saucer
of milk..
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382.146 | | GYMAC::DCASSIDY | | Thu Jun 23 1994 16:30 | 5 |
|
That's the spirit Neil....now it's not that difficult to be a
reasonable sort of chap is it now .
Dezzz.
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382.147 | A wee gripe, if I may... | PAVONE::TURNER | | Thu Jun 23 1994 16:36 | 15 |
| >FACT: You've a bigotted viewpoint...NOT ONCE did you praise anything
> that the Irish team has done eventhough the Germans AND Italians
> recognise their achievements.
Dezz,
I'd say it was more to the point (given Neil's nationality) that 99.99%
of the English in this conference have also recognised Ireland's
achievements - perhaps more so than people from any other country.
FACT: This invariably gets ignored and we then have to put up with the same
old crap about whingeing - hardly true in view of the evidence.
Dom
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382.148 | | PEKING::COSSEYN | | Thu Jun 23 1994 16:36 | 6 |
|
No your right Dzzzzzz it's not that difficult. Now you try and walk
around with a smile on your face and people won't keep thinking your a
boring twat....
Neil....
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382.149 | | GYMAC::DCASSIDY | | Thu Jun 23 1994 16:47 | 10 |
|
Dom, I was referring to the Germans and Italians as far as Vogts and
his players and Sacchi and his players...But I do however get your
point...stereotyping/gereralisation is a danger....I did say however
that the majority of noters do have a balanced and fair opinion which
would mutually imply a good cross-section of nationalities.
Neil, charming as ever....
Dezzz.
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382.150 | | SUBURB::ABSOLOMT | Dillydallying and shillyshallying | Thu Jun 23 1994 17:59 | 7 |
382.151 | Norway 0 Italy 1 | BOSEPM::BOSEPM::CAMPKIN | The Landlord is back! | Fri Jun 24 1994 00:09 | 26 |
| Norway 0 Italy 1
By far the worst game of the tournament so far. Norway looked as
though all they had come to do was play for a draw. Italy's
goalkeeper sent off early in the first half for handling outside
of the box, and Baggio (this was Eur player of the year???) was
subbed for a new goalie.
Even then Norway still refused to attack except with a few badly
directed long balls that went nowhere. Italy gradually realized
they had no opposition and started to attack themselves.
Eventually they got the important goal following a free kick from
out on the left. The goalie who had had a good game, albeit
fairly quiet, stood on his line as a header went through his hands
into the roof of the net from the other Baggio. Now with 20 mins
to go Norway actually got into the Italian half and had a few
chances but they looked very devoid of ideas as to how to get the
ball under control and into the penalty area. They did actually
get the ball into the net but it was another 'hand of God' that
the archangel with the whistle spotted!
I hope neither of these teams ends up in Foxboro in the next
round! I've got tickets. A 1-0 win to Mexico tomorrow and this
group can start again.
Gerry
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382.152 | Italy 1 Boreway 0 | PEKING::WILSOND1 | DAVE WILSON @WLC | Fri Jun 24 1994 08:40 | 12 |
|
I'd have to say an excellent result for the Italians, who tried to
play despite being down to nine men and then playing the last few
minutes with only 7 fit men on the pitch.
All I'll say about Norway is the quicker they get on the plane home the
better.
Does anyone know what happens if Mexico were to beat Ireland 1-0 today,
and the remaining two games end up as draws..?
Dave...
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382.153 | | MUNSBE::CHEQUER | It's the way I write um | Fri Jun 24 1994 09:02 | 8 |
| I wanted to say what .-1 and .-2 said but I thought ... na I can't be
that hard on Norway .... but they were a load of crap, I feel sorry for
Italy having to play them. Norway are VERY hard in their game, they showed
no flair what so ever.
Italy are a talented team, and may still do great things this year.
Why was baggio subbed ?
|
382.154 | | EVTDD1::WOOD | | Fri Jun 24 1994 09:07 | 5 |
| Baggio got subbed because the Italian keeper got sent off.
They had to bring on another goalie and you can't really take off
a defender when you're down to 10 men. The keeper got sent off
for handling the ball outside the area after diving at the feet
of an attacker.
|
382.155 | ...... | PEKING::WILSOND1 | DAVE WILSON @WLC | Fri Jun 24 1994 09:10 | 8 |
|
Ive just heard that Italy made three outfield substitutions, I must
admit when Baresi went off I thought they were down to nine men, but
apparently they subbed Baresi, casaraghi and Baggio.
They could be in trouble now.
Dave...
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382.156 | And they kill whales... | YUPPY::PATEMAN | Some Fantastic Place | Fri Jun 24 1994 09:20 | 26 |
| But Baggio was subbed for a keeper, and the FIFA rules apparently state
that the keeper can be a third sub under ANY circumstances.
As for the game, I don't agree it was the worst, it was half the worst,
the half played by the Norwegians. Well, to say they played half is a
complement. They were dire. Over physical, over defensive, lets hope
they go out as unlucky thirds. Italy did a superb job and never gave
up, they had loads more spirit than I would have expected on past
performances.
FIFA award for stupidity:
Casiraghi goes down stunned after an elbow in the head. Ball kicked
out, trainer and stretcher on. After some water and smelling salts,
Casiraghi gets up to play on only to be threatened with a card by the
ref cos he hasn't gone off. Everybody realises that he has already been
booked so another card and he's off. Jumps on stretcher, carried to
side of pitch, runs back on. What a farce.
FIFA award for mean spiritedness:
The referee for forcing the obviously seriously injured Maldini to run
back to the half way line to return to the pitch rather than come on
where he was treated.
Paul
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382.157 | | MUNSBE::CHEQUER | It's the way I write um | Fri Jun 24 1994 09:21 | 5 |
| re .-1
That was my understanding also, my question was regarding the choice of
baggio.
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382.158 | | UPROAR::LEMP | We danced the Lumbago till dawn | Fri Jun 24 1994 09:25 | 11 |
| At the end of the match Italy were effectively down to 8 men, with
Maldini and Dino Baggio both walking wounded. Glad I didn't watch the
first half - it sounded as though most of the action (apart from the
sending off) came in the last half-hour or so. Good goal - whipped
cross, well met by Baggio.
Did anyone stop up till 2 or 3 to (European time) to watch Bolivia
v Korea ? I thought about it for about a pico-second.
Paul.
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382.159 | | GYMAC::DCASSIDY | | Fri Jun 24 1994 09:55 | 7 |
|
Delighted with the result ....The Italians played against the
Norwegians who didn't...The referee was awful....
This Dino lad has scored some important goals......
Dezzz.
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382.160 | South Korea 0 - 0 Bolivia | AYOV16::KMCCLELLAND | The Honest Truth | Fri Jun 24 1994 10:04 | 8 |
| Yes I watched it and it made the Italy Norway match look like a
classic. 0-0 with little skill and over 103 minutes playing time
allowed by Les Mottram , Scotland's FIFA ref. Bolivia had another
player sent off for a double-booking (Christadalos or something)
and Korea almost scored with the last kick but were denied by a
good save. All in all it was kak.
Kev...
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382.161 | | EVTDD1::WOOD | | Fri Jun 24 1994 10:12 | 8 |
| >> But baggio was subbed for the keeper
>> Keeper may be a third sub ...etc
The keeper was sent-off, he wasn't subbed. The substitution was made
becuase Italy then hadn't got a keeper.
The third sub rule is for when you've already made two subs and you
have an injured keeper.
|
382.162 | crumble | COMICS::HAWLEYI | Happy! Happy! Joy! Joy! | Fri Jun 24 1994 10:19 | 14 |
|
re.158
> Glad I didn't watch the first half - it sounded as though most of the
> action (apart from the sending off) came in the last half-hour or so.
not at all, the Italians came out like men possessed and besieged
Norways goal (a la Brazil v russia) until their keeper got sent off as
Norway were on a counter attack.
I missed the second half, what happened to Maldini and the other bloke?
why were they injured?
Ian.
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382.163 | Good game | XSTACY::JDUGGAN | | Fri Jun 24 1994 10:24 | 15 |
| >I missed the second half, what happened to Maldini and the other bloke?
>why were they injured?
Maldini was in a bad way... he twisted his ankle in a challenge
at the end-line, and the physio strapped up his boot with
support tape, so he hobbled around for the last ten minutes.
It was ridiculous to see the ref ordering him up to the
half way line before he'd let him on... I don't know
where FIFA get some of their ideas from.
I thought the Italians showed great spirit (especially Signori)
and I reckon they could go on to win the trophy (unless they
meet Ireland on the way!)
Jim.
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382.164 | norway go home | DBSUK2::GRICE | Phil Grice DBS Sustaining Engineering | Fri Jun 24 1994 10:29 | 13 |
| I was really pleased with the result - and apalled with the Norwegians.
What lack of ambition considering they had a one player advantage.
Totally agree with our Gary (Lineker) who didn't exactly pull his
punches ("Norway were pathetic" "Appalling" and words to the extent
that it would be good for Norway to go home asap.)
After the goal the Italians really were inspired until injuries hit
them. I didn't notice the third substitution - but heard the
commentators talking about the possibility. I couldn't work out how it
would be allowed. But if it happened then the referee must have allowed
it - so I would have thought it was down to him.
/phil
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382.165 | come on Italy! | IOSG::TYLDESLEY | | Fri Jun 24 1994 10:56 | 7 |
|
I thought the Italians played with great spirit and determination. They
deserved their win, but (having drawn them in the department
sweepstake) I'm worried about the extent of their injuries. Does anyone
know? Baresi and Maldini seemed in a pretty bad way.
DaveT
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382.166 | do I not like Nilway! | TRUCKS::SANT | network partner exited | Fri Jun 24 1994 10:59 | 18 |
|
What does all this say about England's inability to qualify? Ever
since that fateful day in Oslo we've been hearing these experts
predicting how difficult the Norwegians will be in USA and they'd
come up with some surprises for the more fancied teams etc etc.
Most of this was prompted by the fact that half the team play in
the Premier League, widely reported on TV as the hardest league
in the solar system....
All this just because they took three points out of England in
the qualifying phase. What a load of crap. We were dismal in
Norway against what is being shown as an ordinary team. Well
done Italy, and lets hope the paddies go on to whack them next
week to put them on the big silver bird back to the land of the
vikings.
Andy.
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382.167 | Good goal Dino - take that! | UPROAR::LEMP | We danced the Lumbago till dawn | Fri Jun 24 1994 10:59 | 8 |
| Baggio pulled up as though he'd got cramp but the commentators thought
that by the way he was running it could be a calf muscle strain. I
think he was more badly injured after the final whistle when one of the
Italian entourage jumped on him to congratulate him on the goal and
nutted him in the face - he didn't look too impressed.
Paul.
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382.168 | smacker | IOSG::TYLDESLEY | | Fri Jun 24 1994 11:04 | 5 |
| Dino B. seemed to hurt his foot when he took a shot from quite a long
way out. He limped from then on. It was was hilarious when that little
chap jumped up and nutted him while trying to kiss him!
DaveT
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382.169 | England | XSTACY::JDUGGAN | | Fri Jun 24 1994 11:25 | 14 |
|
I don't think England should worry too much about losing
three points to Norway in the qualifiers. That's all in
the past, and as John Giles said on TV last night,
England were a shambles in Oslo that night. (It just goes
to show what difference a manager can make to a team).
On their day, I'd say England are a match for most teams...
I wonder why they never gave the Manager's job
to one of the winning players in 66 ?
Jim.
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382.170 | Oh ya | BONNET::VISCIGLIO | Bora played for OGC Nice | Fri Jun 24 1994 11:36 | 12 |
|
re: -1
Other not-qualified good teams have the same thing in mind.
After having seen Bulgaria, I am sure that France would have been far
better. The Danes might also have the same feeling (not vis-a-vis
Ireland or Spain, but Greece or Norway).
But we are NOT qualified. And we have to accept it.
Pierre-Yves (French and disappointed)
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382.171 | Roberto off... | MOVIES::PLAYFORD | Kevin @ EDO-13 [DTN:824-3394] | Fri Jun 24 1994 12:16 | 13 |
|
Somebody asked a few back why did Saachi take off Roberto Baggio.
Perhaps Saachi figured that they should play for the draw with 10
men and save Baggio for the final match against Mexico in the hope
that Italy would get a win against Mexico. As it turned out the
10 on the pitch played their hearts out against a Norway side
playing for the draw. Italy got the result they deserved.
Forza Italia.
/Kev
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382.172 | Baggio | XSTACY::JDUGGAN | | Fri Jun 24 1994 12:21 | 15 |
| Interesting contrast on Irish TV last night about Baggio.
The two panelists were shocked, (Joe Kinnear and Johnny
Giles). The said that in such a difficult situation
you need the man most likely to provide inspriation
to stay on the pitch.
Then there was an interview with Jack Charlton, and he
said the first player he would have taken off was
Baggio. He said that the team needed to keeps its midfield
and that Signori was playing too well to be taken off.
He also thought that Italy would win (even with 10 men).
Jim.
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382.173 | Sacchi proved right in the end... | PAVONE::TURNER | | Fri Jun 24 1994 12:27 | 13 |
| The withdrawal of Baggio really is provoking some debate!
Sacchi was quoted as saying that he really needed 10 men who could run
like demons in the heat. Baggio is not famed for his workrate. Add to
that the fact that he's had problems with sore tendons recently (and
probably would have needed to be replaced in the last half hour
regardless), and Sacchi's decision becomes that much more
comprehensible.
Well-deserved win for Italy - they really did dig deep into their
reserves. Norway deserved nowt...and got it!
Dom
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382.174 | Working Jack out? | YOUWOT::HOUSEN | World famous brick hypnotist | Fri Jun 24 1994 12:54 | 17 |
| As Big Jack is keeping with the same team - one or two of his players are
deviously attempting to get picked for the starting 11, by using devious means.
Now everyone accepts (I think) that Roy Keane has a silly beard... but then
Jack always selects him... well now Tony Cascarino and John Aldridge have grown
Keano beards. I think their plan is that - Jack being pretty useless at
remembering names will say "Maurice, I want the guy with the silly beard in the
team" leaving Maurice Setters with a big dilemma.
Seriously, good luck to the Irish tonight... it is at times like this that I
remember that my mum is from Limerick, and I forget my dad is English ;-).
I bet they can't wait to play Norway.. they were dreadful and I cheered when
Dino Baggio scored.
Norman
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382.175 | One of them's an International manager | UPROAR::LEMP | We danced the Lumbago till dawn | Fri Jun 24 1994 13:17 | 7 |
| >I wonder why they never gave the Manager's job
>to one of the winning players in 66 ?
Jim,
Jack Charlton perhaps?
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382.176 | roll on 5.30 | XSTACY::JDUGGAN | | Fri Jun 24 1994 13:56 | 15 |
|
I know Jack applied back in 84 or someyear like that, and
he never got a reply. Then again, not many of the England
team of 66 went into management. All the same, I reckon
that a World Cup winner will always have the confidence
to repeat the success as a manager....
anyway.... here's hoping for a good Irish performance,
I think we've the team to get a result.... although Mexico
will be hard to beat, they won 3-0 against Northern Ireland
a few weeks ago.
Jim.
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382.177 | workrate,whats that !! | KERNEL::SMITHS | more nonsense in a minute ... | Fri Jun 24 1994 13:59 | 14 |
| As a further comment on workrate of the Italian players.
Did anyone notice Berti.... For the last 30 minutes he really did'nt
want to know.He simply picked the ball up went a little way with ball
and passed it on,he appeared to have no intention of picking up a
return pass.I was very disapointed with his workrate.
And Casirahgi,well...... he did'nt come off soon enough,no wonder he
fails to get a game for Lazio.
My tuppence worth.
Steve.
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382.178 | Sundry thoughts... | PAVONE::TURNER | | Fri Jun 24 1994 14:01 | 51 |
| >I don't think England should worry too much about losing
>three points to Norway in the qualifiers. That's all in
>the past, and as John Giles said on TV last night,
>England were a shambles in Oslo that night. (It just goes
>to show what difference a manager can make to a team).
>
>On their day, I'd say England are a match for most teams...
Very gracious of you, Jim! (Duggan *is* an Irish name , isn't it?).
To be fair to Norway, the dominant feature of international football
thses days seems to be inconsistency. Are Germany the team that lost
0-2 to Ireland, or the team that beat Italy 2-1 (should have been
5-1). Are Italy the team that dominated Norway last night, or the team
that failed miserably against Ireland? As for Colombia beating
Argentina 5-0 and then screwing up against the U.S., no comment.
I was astonished by Norway last night. True, they looked very mediocre
at Wembley last year and clinched a 1-1 with their only shot of the
game. But at least they looked *gritty*. Last night's was the worst
performance I've ever see from a team with a one man advantage. I
really thought that Norway had a good chance of reaching the
quarter-finals; they seeme(ed) to have made the transition from being
11 big, hard running athletes to being a tactically aware team with a
very astute manager. Nothing of the sort (at least on yesterday's
performance)! The again, Norway in Oslo did look a different cup ,of
tea entirely and deservedly won 2-0 on the night. Will the real Norway
plese stand up?
So many international teams seem to have trouble putting 2 or 3 good
results together (Rumania are another example). Still, I hope they
don't return to their winning ways against Ireland ;-)
As for the reference to England, my own feeling (when I see England
beat Denmark and thrash Greece 5-0 at Wembley) is that EC96 still
seems a long way off. Especially for players the wrong side of 30, like
Peter Beardsley.
Dom
P.S. I think it's imperative that Jack Charlton gives people like Kelly
and McAteer a run out tonight, at least for half an hour (result
permitting). Refreshments or not, Coyne will collapse sooner or later.
Ireland aren't the only tame playing the 4-5-1 formation in this WC.
But they're the only team who require their front man to run up and
down the line, harassing defenders and pulling them out of position.
Personally, I'd put more money on Dennis Irwin scoring in this World
Cup than Coyne; his role just doesn't allow him to get into scoring
positions (to the benefit of people like Keane, Sheridan and,
especially, Townsend).
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382.179 | | UNTADE::PCAS | Eat stool food | Fri Jun 24 1994 14:10 | 16 |
| .166
Dead on.
It certainly looks like the right descision was made, bringing Baggio
off. If Italy had lost, you can imagine whose head the Italian press
would have been calling for! - brave descision indeed.
Italy out-played Norway by a long way, and deserved the victory. I hope
they get through to the next round (though not at the expense of
Ireland).
EVERYBODY I've spoken to who saw the match couldn't believe how Norway
played - obviously playing for the draw. I've nothing against 'hard'
play, but the way the Norwegians were playing was both hard and
offensive. Not nice to watch - I hope they're not in the next round.
Al.
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382.180 | 4 hours to go | XSTACY::JDUGGAN | | Fri Jun 24 1994 14:19 | 24 |
| Dom,
Right first time, Duggan is an Irish name!
I work in Galway and sit not-too-far-away from a celt
of renounded impartiality.
I'd agree that there seem to be a lot of apparent
inconsistencies in results of late. Maybe we're writing off
Norway too soon, but I think they are a bit limited in
their play and they remind me of Ireland in 1990 (very
direct football). Romania are a mystery and I never would
have predicted their collapse against Switzerland.
As for Ireland, I think it's our best ever team. We're far
more subtle that Italia 90 in that we have more constructive
players. For example, compare our back-four from 90. Then
it was Morris, McCarthy, Moran, Staunton. None of these
were really comfortable on the ball, and now we have
Irwin, Babb, McGrath and Phelan which is possibly the best
defence in the World Cup.
Ole ole,
Jim.
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382.181 | Very happy for the Italians.. | KBOMFG::TANNER | Midnight is where the day begins.. | Fri Jun 24 1994 14:23 | 20 |
|
Sacchi showed big coconuts in taking of Roberto Baggio last night.. and fair
dew in payed off...
Re .166 Andy Iam sure we all appreciate your comments in note .166 and its
great to hear ya pulling for us "paddies".....
Someone mentioned what happens if Mexico beat us tonight 1-0 and the last two
games are indentical draws??? Well I'll tell ya what I'll do.. open a bottle of
Bushmills (malt) drink a few a scoulps and then hope the luck of the Irish comes
out!!! All four teams will pull straws to see who finishes 1st to 4th. the 3rd
will probably get through as well.....
Well I for one would be happy with a draw tonight, I reckon the heat and
humidty at Orlando will be of no help to us... does anyone know whose playing
in green tonight???? as both teams normally play in green....
all the best.....
-dave-
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382.182 | Bitter...me? | PAVONE::TURNER | | Fri Jun 24 1994 14:27 | 21 |
| Had my ears boxed by the wife yesterday (and in particular by our next
door neighbours for not jumping up and down like a nutter a)when Italy
scored and b)when the match finished. They were all out on the balcony
with their flags and klaxons; I was putting the kettle on for a cup of
tea. The next door neighbour even leered to me: "So where's England?".
But I had the answer ready:"Just to the east of Ireland - I'm sure you
know where that is!"
The football-lover in me says that Italy thoroughly deserved their win
(perhaps 2-0 would have been fairer), and Norway should be sent back
home on the next plane. But it's hard being a foreigner here when you
hear commentators saying that Norway and Ireland are two very average
teams and an on-form Italy would take them both to the cleaners. Flags
and banners everywhere...we are the greatest...who's next for the
slaughter, etc.
Before the match, we were treated to all the Italian goals from the
last 30 World Cups - to a backing track of "We Are The World"! I kid
you not.
Dom
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382.183 | comeon the whites!! | XSTACY::JDUGGAN | | Fri Jun 24 1994 14:29 | 10 |
| re 181:
Mexico are in green.
That straws scenario looks like a heartstopper!
Jim.
PS You should try and pick up Gabriel Egan on Astra with Jim Beglin,
they do a great commentary.
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382.184 | | UNTADE::PCAS | Eat stool food | Fri Jun 24 1994 14:53 | 10 |
| Dom,
I feel for you, I really do! - Imagine what it was like here, as an
English supporter in Germany when they beat us in the semi's in Italy.
The worst day of my life (that I'm prepared to share with you lot).
Chin up, at least you have the sure knowledge that Ireland are better
than they are (remember the golden rule - you're only as good as your
last game).
Al.
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382.185 | | BERN01::GOODEJ | Mr Dragon | Fri Jun 24 1994 15:17 | 8 |
|
All the best to Ireland tonight. If you have half the luck Jerry has
when we're playing pool you won't have any troubles. If you play the
same way you did against Italy you won't need any luck. My Guinness
is waiting in the fridge & an Irish wins would nicely round off my
birthday. 8-)
JBG
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382.186 | ere we go, ere we go, ere we go | ESSB2::MBRANIFF | | Fri Jun 24 1994 15:17 | 13 |
| Here's an interesting fact which I just found out.
Did you know that the word 'OLE', which we all have taken great liking
to singing during matches, actually means 'Smell'.
So lads, when we're down the pub tonight singing "Ole,Ole,Ole,Ole..."
we will actually be singing about a smell.
All the same, it might distract the Mexicans !!!
Ole, Ole Ole Ole, Ole, Ole........
Michael
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382.187 | | BERN01::GOODEJ | Mr Dragon | Fri Jun 24 1994 15:19 | 6 |
|
Oh, I nearly forgot, congrats to you Italians. A great backs-to-the-wall
effort produced a well deserved win. I still fancy Italy to make it at
least to the semis.
JBG
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382.188 | 2 hours to ko | XSTACY::JDUGGAN | | Fri Jun 24 1994 16:16 | 1 |
| any news on the Irish team ?
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382.189 | Good job it's only once every 4 years... | PAVONE::TURNER | | Fri Jun 24 1994 16:32 | 10 |
| re: .184
>Dom,
>I feel for you, I really do! - Imagine what it was like here, as an
>English supporter in Germany when they beat us in the semi's in Italy.
>The worst day of my life (that I'm prepared to share with you lot).
Thanks for the solidarity, Al! I guess you've got to go through it to
appreciate it ;-)
Dom
|
382.190 | undertakers | BRUMMY::CLARKSON | may u build a ladder to the stars... | Fri Jun 24 1994 16:32 | 10 |
|
Bobby Moore also had an unsuccessful go at management (with Southend I
think?)
Ray Wilson was a more successful manager - unfortunately it was of an
undertaker's business, not a footy team!!!
Dave C.
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382.191 | 3 player substitutes? Nope! Exception to the rule! | ELIS::BOEREN | I aim to please. Then I fire! | Fri Jun 24 1994 16:49 | 14 |
| RE.185
Happy birthday!
RE. a whole lot back
About the three Italian substitutes.
It says in the WC rules that a team can only substitute 2 players and 1
goal keeper, *unless* the keeper is sent of, in which case a player can
be substituted for a keeper.
Well, if that wasn't the case, you could always put a player in the
goal, and then, at the first interuption, replace the keeper for
another keeper, right?
Marcel.
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382.192 | There's an annoying whine on my radio | XAPPL::HINXMAN | Be not too hard | Fri Jun 24 1994 17:01 | 6 |
| Alan Ball played in WC66, and is now managing Southampton.
I leave it as an exercise to the reader to decide whether he should
be running the England team.
Tony
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382.193 | All four teams now have three points | TNPUBS::NAZZARO | Will edit for food | Fri Jun 24 1994 20:49 | 7 |
| Final score: Mexico 2, Ireland 1. Garcia scores both goals for
Mexico, one late in the first helf and the other early in the second.
Mexico carries most of the play until the final 10 minutes, when they
decide to get too cute with the ball, and Aldridge eventually scored on
a header seven minutes from time.
NAZZ
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382.194 | Mexico 2 Ireland 1 | BOSEPM::BOSEPM::CAMPKIN | The Landlord is back! | Fri Jun 24 1994 20:54 | 32 |
| Mexico 2 Ireland 1
A very good game that the weather eventually won (110 degrees F on
the field and very high humidity as well). Two excellently taken
goals by Mexico after some sloppy marking at the back. The Irish
defence did not play as well today as the previous game - McGrath
was nothing like as commanding. The game looked as though it was
slipping away from Ireland until as excellent header from Aldridge
put Ireland back in it with 6 mins left. Heavy pressure but with
players almost out on their feet they could not find the
equalizer.
The Irish seemed to be conserving energy in the first half with
the result that they were nothing like as quick in passing or
moving the ball as the previous game, allowing Mexico to catch
them in possession too often.
Ref - fairly good game though a couple of the cards seemed to be
for offences that were no worse than every other - cumulative
effect I suspect.
What was that FIFA official doing trying to prevent Aldridge from
coming on? He had NO business getting involved in the game - that
is SOLELY the job of the ref and linesmen. I hope to hear he has
been severely reprimanded. If the players and coaches have to
start worrying about guys in blue jackets as well as yellow and
maroon and silver shirts, they'll go nuts. It very nearly led to
an almighty punch-up - only the heat prevented it.
This group is really interesting now - wide open.
Gerry
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382.195 | Poor display in atrocious conditions | ADISSW::SMYTH | | Fri Jun 24 1994 21:17 | 15 |
| Yup, Ireland suffered in the heat bigtime. The temp on the pitch was
110 degress (45 Celsius!)
This is the lowest workrate I've seen Ireland turn in since possibly Egypt
in 1990. Aldridge had a great row with the FIFA official as he tried to
come on after the second goal. It was plain on US TV (ESPN) that he called
the official "a f***ing dickhead". Then Big Jack had a go at the guy. I'll
bet there's trouble over that!
The two Mexican goals were well taken, but were basically due to the
defense having big holes in it due to players not covering back. The
Irish goal was a classic "Aldo"!!
Ah well, Norway next week in a mere 90 degrees.
Joe.
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382.196 | What I call a good game... | MEXV00::CAVAZOS | | Fri Jun 24 1994 22:03 | 7 |
| Don't blame it on the sunshine..... It was a good game, specially to
M�xico!
Italy, you're next!
Regards
Fausto
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382.197 | Mexico looked good | XSTACY::JDUGGAN | | Mon Jun 27 1994 09:37 | 13 |
| Well done Mexico... Garcia took his goals well. I think
Ireland sat back too much in the first half but at least
showed some spirit with Aldridge's goal (nice move too!)
A lot of ifs I suppose... if Coyne had scored, if Sheridan
had equalised, if someone had tracked down Garcia...
but then again Mexico had about four other scoring chances.
This group could fall any way, it will be tough against
Norway, and Italy will find it hard against Mexico.
Jim.
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382.198 | | CECEHV::KEENAN_B | | Mon Jun 27 1994 09:47 | 5 |
|
Jack got charged #10,000 and must sit in the stadium for the rest
of the matches, Aldridge got a fine of #1,200.
Barry.
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382.199 | 2-1 was better than it could have been... | GYMAC::DCASSIDY | | Mon Jun 27 1994 09:47 | 23 |
|
Well, the Mexican goalkeeper wea right...'they'll die in the heat'
The Irish threw away an early chance from Coyne and allowed the
Mexicans to dominate for most of the game apart from maybe the last 10
minutes. A fully deserved victory by a team who were much more used to
playing in 'how shall we say' sunnier climes and adopted their strategy
likewise. The Irish workrate was as high as could be expected though
Houghton was sadly lacking...
Hindsight is 20-20 vision though maybe Jack could have injected some
youth in the middle after the break.
The FIFA incident was unfortunate though Jack and the players will have
to learn to be at least 50-50 with these autocrats.
Should be an interesting last round of matches with Italy being able to
pip the bouncing Mexicans and Ireland trying for the victory in the
releatively 'cooler' New York.
Dezzz.
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382.200 | | PEKING::COSSEYN | | Mon Jun 27 1994 09:59 | 18 |
|
I'M not one to gloat...But Jack's ploy of winding up FIFA has back
fired, he was fined 10.000 pounds for constant bad behaviour, banned
from the dug-out for one game (Norway). Aldridge was fined 1500 pounds
for his absurd outburst at a FIFA official and quite frankly got off
lightly, I was shocked that a professional footballer could act in such
crazed manner, he was lucky not to be sent off before he even got on..
As for the game, Mexico thoughly deserved the victory and the Irish goal
could prove to be very very important...But a gritty performance was once
again overshadowed by Jack " I'm bigger than FIFA" Charlton...And also
the Irish FA was fined 10.000...Disgusting behaviour...I think the Fair
play award is out of the question....
Come on Jack you obviously can't handle the pressure retire NOW before
the ole ticker goes...
Neil...
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382.201 | | AYOV11::KMCCLELLAND | The Honest Truth | Mon Jun 27 1994 10:09 | 4 |
| re last
You forgot the smileys Neil.....
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382.202 | FIFA bollocks | CECEHV::KEENAN_B | | Mon Jun 27 1994 10:35 | 9 |
|
I never noticied this at the time as I was to concerned with the match
but apparently Ireland where playing with 10 men and for some odd ball
reason Aldridge was not let on. Considering the way the game was going
and we needed to get back into it fast I think that FIFA rep should
have been strung up, it is impossible to be anything but completely
pissed off
Barry.
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382.203 | | MUNSBE::CHEQUER | It's the way I write um | Mon Jun 27 1994 10:36 | 5 |
|
re > I'M not one to gloat...But Jack's ploy of winding up FIFA has back
snigger ....
....
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382.204 | Fitness | YOUWOT::HOUSEN | World famous brick hypnotist | Mon Jun 27 1994 11:21 | 9 |
| My main surprise for the Ireland v Mexico game is that Jack kept the same
team as for the Italy match.... Everyone keeps going on about the heat and each
game is a 13 (sometomes 14 ;-)) man game.... and if this is true wouldn't it
have been a better idea to use more of the squad players, to give Townsend,
Coyne etc. time to recover for the Norway game? Other members of the squad
may not be considered to be as good?... but you can't close a team as
good as Mexico down with tired players.
Norman
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382.205 | What a Surprise | NEWOA::FLEMING_J | | Mon Jun 27 1994 11:22 | 7 |
| re .200
Really Neil, you're so predictable.
Cheers then
Jim
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382.206 | | ELIS::BOEREN | I aim to please. Then I fire! | Mon Jun 27 1994 13:45 | 17 |
| First of all:
Too bad Ireland lost. But, well played by the Mexicans.
What was that Irish attacker (Coine or something) doing?
He should have scored twice in the first half. 5th minute and 40th
minute. Why did he dive on top of the ball instead of hitting it in
with his head? :)
Marcel
Could be exciting: How about Ireland - Norway 1 - 1 and Italy - Mexico
0 - 0, table:
Ireland 4 (3-3)
Norway 4 (2-2)
Mexico 4 (2-2)
Italy 4 (1-1) ---> Italy going home with 4 points. That would be
surprising, to say the least...
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382.207 | Eamon and Jack | XSTACY::JDUGGAN | | Mon Jun 27 1994 13:52 | 19 |
|
The always-controversial journalist and ex-Millwall player
Eamon Dunphy had an interesting article in one of sunday's
papers. He said that Jack had "reverted to type" for the
Mexican game and had abandoned Ireland's recent tactics
for the long-ball game. He reckons Charlton underestimates
the skill of the team, and that his limited ambition means
that Ireland might not go as far as they could in the
tournament.
I hope they don't try and play for a draw on Tuesday, they
should really aim for a win and try top the group to stay
in New York (and keep away from Orlando).
Jim.
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382.208 | Wide open now... | PAVONE::TURNER | | Mon Jun 27 1994 14:01 | 29 |
| Disappointing result for Ireland, though Mexico deserved their win.
Still, Aldridge's goal could prove to be one of the most important he's
ever scored. It catapulted Ireland from bottom place in the table to
equal top (with Mexico), but more important, it prevents Italy and
Norway from looking for anything other than a win in their final
matches (if my calculations are correct).
I have to question the logic of Ireland having only used 13 players so
far. There were some pretty tired men on the field in the last half
hour (40 degrees heat is no joke). Surely, either Kelly or McGlaughlin
could have started the game and allowed Staunton or Keane a well-earned
rest. Keane had a very good game, but he looked exhausted at the end.
I remember Babb having to wait 20-30 seconds for him to jog up to
Mexico's penalty area for that last minute free kick! And, is it my
imagination, or does he look like he's carrying some extra poundage? No
comparison with Ronnie Whelan, but he looks like he's done too much
weight training. He reminds me of Gabriela Sabatini (well, up to a
point ;-)), who's gradually built up her power/strength to the
detriment of her agility.
Not wishing to detract anything from the Mexicans (who were well worth
their win), but I think Ireland would always be hard pushed to beat
Mexico in a hot climate in the month of June. Surely there's a case for
switching occasional World Cup competitions (say, every other edition)
to the mid-season period when may countries in Northern/Eastern Europe
are forced to suspend their national championships? The current system
clearly benefits countries with hotter climates.
DOm
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382.209 | Bore draw.. | PEKING::WILSOND1 | DAVE WILSON @WLC | Mon Jun 27 1994 14:17 | 14 |
|
I cant see Norway looking for a win, they don't know how to (unless they
are playing at home against England).
This has to be a draw, both teams are awfull anyway, with Ireland the
better of the two, but as far as entertaining the nuetrels... the only
thing we can look foward to in this game is another outburst from Jack
or one of his players, that was great....(-:
Dave...
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382.210 | Italian update | LARVAE::FERRARO_A | Antony Ferraro @UCG | Mon Jun 27 1994 15:01 | 42 |
| The latest reports in England are that Baresi is out for the finals,
Maldini is also injured and will miss the Mexico game, Pagliuca
is suspended until (if they reach this far) the qtr finals.
This means options at the back are limited.
For me the worse loss is Maldini. I think he is the successor to Baresi
in the sweeper role, his loss means that the back four is :
Tassotti or Bennarrivo
Costacurta
Apolloni
Minotti or Evani
I do not think they have played together too many times before. The
Mexican strikers look quick and so the off-side tactic for this team is
very dangerous. I would play Bennarrivo and Evani at full back as the
Mexicans are very quick so the Azzurri need pace at the back.
I think that Sacchi will play the midfield and forwards the same as
Norway.
So :
Berti
D Baggio
R Baggio
Albertini
Casiraghi
Signori
I would be tempted to play Massaro from the start as he is faster than
Casiraghi and more mobile. Anway, just over 24 hrs away and we will
know.
I am interested to see whether it is best to win the group or
come second. Winners play the second in group d (Nigeria or Bulgaria) in
New York and the second place go to Orlando to play the top in group F -
probably Belgium.
Antony
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382.211 | Maldini OK | XSTACY::JDUGGAN | | Mon Jun 27 1994 15:06 | 9 |
| Antony,
I don't think Baresi is a big loss, he looked far too
hesitant in both games and never once made one of
his renouned forward breaks. I think he's too old and
that Maldini can do a far better job at libero (if he
recovers in time).
Jim.
|
382.212 | Take cover!! | BOSEPM::BOSEPM::CAMPKIN | The Landlord is back! | Mon Jun 27 1994 15:43 | 14 |
| Look out below!
NORWEGIAN CHUCKS TV FROM THIRD FLOOR AFTER ITALY MATCH
OSLO, June 24 (Reuter) - An angry Norwegian threw his television set into the
street from the window of his third floor flat after Italy beat Norway 1-0 in
Thursday's World Cup soccer match, police said.
"A woman called to say that her neighbour had thrown out his TV after last
night's match," a police officer in Trondheim said.
No-one was injured by the falling television and police decided not to
investigate the case, he said.
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382.213 | Maldini IS OK | FORTY2::ASH | Mail Interchange Group, Reading | Tue Jun 28 1994 11:31 | 4 |
| Maldini's fit and takes over the captaincy tonight. Should be a great game -
pity we won't be allowed to see it in Engalnd.
g
|
382.214 | We'll see...... | KBOMFG::TANNER | Midnight is where the day begins.. | Tue Jun 28 1994 14:02 | 9 |
|
Personally I hope we beat Norway and that we win the group and stay in "a
little cooler New York" where we would probably meet Nigeria... But as long as
we make it to the next round that's more important.....
Dave you state in .209 that "both teams are awfull anyway" God you must be
hurtin not seeing Gazza running around heh??????
-dave-
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382.215 | ...by the way, bad luck tonight (-: | PEKING::WILSOND1 | DAVE WILSON @WLC | Tue Jun 28 1994 14:26 | 10 |
|
re.214
Dave,
Not at all, anyway has'nt he got a broken leg..?, anyway I'm delighted
we didnt qualify, having seen most of the games, the England side under
Graham Taylor would have lost to almost everyone anyway.
Dave...
|
382.216 | Ireland!! FOUL Play Award... | PEKING::COSSEYN | | Tue Jun 28 1994 14:31 | 11 |
|
Personally, I hope Norway win. But most of all I hope football is the
winner no more disgraceful scenes like we saw against the Mexicans, these
pictures were shown all over the world and couldn't do much for the Irish
credibillity. Because of the negative attitude of both sides this has
got a draw written all over it, and for the life of me I don't no WHY
the BBC are showing it. The other game in this group is a far better
prospect, with both sides out to entertain the public.
Neil....
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382.217 | Hope for the best but... | XSTACY::JLUNDON | <A HREF="http://xagony.ilo.dec.com/personal/james/home.html"> | Tue Jun 28 1994 14:36 | 13 |
| I hope that we (Ireland) can do it tonight but it will be oh so difficult
against what will be a very resolute Norwegian team. I go for a draw - 1-1
or 0-0 - with the other game giving a positive result either way. This
will land us in 2nd place in the group and whatever it brings.
Whichever way we end up in the group, the eighth-final match will be a
corker (Nigeria, Belgium or Argentina)!
I don't know which team I'd prefer to see Ireland play as all three teams
will pose dire threats to our progress in the World Cup. I suppose I'll
have to wait and see like everyone else.
James.
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382.218 | Norway v Ireland | BOSEPM::BOSEPM::CAMPKIN | The Landlord is back! | Tue Jun 28 1994 14:56 | 77 |
| Reuter report
NORWAY PREPARED FOR "LITTLE WAR" WITH IRISH
EAST RUTHERFORD, New Jersey, June 27 (Reuter) - Norwegian coach Egil Olsen
said on Monday his team was prepared for a "little war" with Ireland as the
two long ball exponents battle for a place in the second round on Tuesday.
The teams the critics love to hate clash with at least one place in the last
16 up for grabs from the deadlocked group E.
Ireland, Norway, Mexico and Italy all have three points from two games but
the Mexicans and the Irish enjoy the advantage of having scored a goal more
than their rivals.
So it all comes down to the final matches in which Italy play Mexico in
Washington while Ireland meet Norway here just outside of New York at the
same lunchtime hour.
A draw should put the Irish through and could condemn Norway to an early exit
in their first World Cup since 1938.
Coach Olsen clearly knows what to expect.
"It will be a tough game. Maybe like a little war. We are prepared to
participate in that war," he said. "There will be a lot of physical contact
and a lot of running."
Norwegian goalkeeper Erik Thorstvedt said the game should appeal to Americans
brought up on the brand of football the Giants Stadium normally hosts.
"Norway games are always entertaining," the Tottenham Hotspur goalkeeper
said. "I think Americans like the physical side of things -- they like to see
big guys crashing together in mid-air," he added.
Ireland, like Norway, are committed to going for all three points even though
a draw should be enough for them.
"I don't like playing for a draw against anyone," said Ireland coach Jack
Charlton.
The abrasive Charlton has been banned from the touchline for this vital game
after arguing with officials during his team's 2-1 defeat by Mexico on
Friday.
Assistant coach Maurice Setters will take charge down by the pitch while
Charlton is banished to the stand, from where he will communicate with the
bench via two-way radio.
Neither coach would announce his team on Monday.
Charlton is forced to change his two full-backs as both Denis Irwin and Terry
Phelan are suspended.
Gary Kelly, 19, is set to replace Irwin on the right while Steve Staunton
will drop back from midfield to fill the gap left by Phelan. Jason McAteer,
who has come on as substitute in the last two games, is expected to start in
midfield.
Norwegian defender Alf Inge Haaland is out of the game through supension and
his place could go to Gunnar Halle of Oldham Athletic, one of several
English-based players in the two squads.
Probable teams:
Ireland: 1-Pat Bonner; 12-Gary Kelly, 14-Phil Babb, 5-Paul McGrath, 11-Steve
Staunton; 6-Roy Keane, 7-Andy Townsend, 8-Ray Houghton, 10-John Sheridan,
21-Jason McAteer; 15-Tommy Coyne.
Norway: 1-Erik Thorstvedt; 2-Gunnar Halle, 20-Henning Berg, 4-Rune Bratseth,
5-Stig Inge Bjoernebye; 7-Erik Mykland, 8-Oevind Leonhardsen, 22-Lars
Bohinen, 11-Jahn Ivar Jakobsen, 6-Jostein Flo; 9-Jan Aage Fjoertoft.
Referee: Jose Joaquin Torres Cadena (Colombia)
Kickoff 1635 GMT.
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382.219 | Hey Maurice, where's my seat then ? | WOTVAX::GREENJA | Andy Green | Tue Jun 28 1994 15:23 | 10 |
|
The Graham Taylor video was shown again last night, it got me thinking:
If, and I am noting purely hypothetically, somebody were to be
monitoring short wave radio somewhere near a stadium this evening,
and they happened to record about 90 minutes worth of pleasantries
exchanged between a couple of men who didn't sound like Americans,
I wonder how entertaining this tape would be ?
But then I guess this is illegal, right ?
|
382.220 | Conference Call??? | GALVIA::FLOOD | Queue here for hatch #14 | Tue Jun 28 1994 15:44 | 13 |
| Re. <<< Note 382.219 by WOTVAX::GREENJA "Andy Green" >>>
-< Hey Maurice, where's my seat then ? >-
Ireland's 2FM breakfast show had a brilliant piece on this this morning.
It featured Jack and Maurice being interupted by Eamonn Dunphy on a on
another phone, with Eamonn berating Jack for not playing more through
midfield and Jack demanding to know who was interrupting him while he
was trying to run the game... Maurice was just confused.
The voices were brilliant!!!
Kevin.
|
382.221 | | PETRUS::GUEST_N | An innocent passer-by | Tue Jun 28 1994 15:46 | 7 |
|
1635GMT - thats 17.35 UK time and 18.35 European time ?
I take it that both games are being played at the same time ? It's
just that someone else in this conference implied they weren't.
N.
|
382.222 | Team news (as of last night) | XSTACY::JDUGGAN | | Tue Jun 28 1994 15:54 | 13 |
| RE -1
Both games are kicking off at 1735 Irish Time, which is
1835 European time.
On TV last night there weemed to be an injury doubt about
Paul McGrath and I think Jack has Alan Kernaghan on standby.
McAteer will most likely start too, and maybe Aldridge will
be given the striking role,
should be a close game,
Jim.
|
382.223 | | EASE::SMYTH | | Tue Jun 28 1994 15:58 | 11 |
| Ireland need to win tonight and hopefully win the group as this would mean that
they play their next match in New York, if they finish second then they go to
Orlando and from what we saw on Friday they were affected by the heat.
My prediction
Ireland 1 Norway 0
GS in Dublin
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382.224 | Latest | FORTY2::ASH | Mail Interchange Group, Reading | Tue Jun 28 1994 17:16 | 5 |
| Still no team news from Ireland or Norway - McGrath has a late fitness test.
Apolloni replaces Baresi, and possibility of Hugo Sanchez playing.
g
|
382.225 | Irish team | FORTY2::ASH | Mail Interchange Group, Reading | Tue Jun 28 1994 18:05 | 3 |
| is as expected - and Aldo replaces Coyne.
g
|
382.227 | Let's go Mexico | MEXM02::CARREON | Igor Carre�n | Tue Jun 28 1994 21:34 | 15 |
| Well,
Mexico did it. It is the first place of group E.
So, I feel Mexico has done and will do more than it
was expected. Football is as exciting as surprising.
And in the same way the Mexican couch said:"We are
not worried about what the statistics can say". Football
is not as predictable as tought and any team can beat to
any team. For the Mexicans, statistics are growing up but
this time the things are getting different.
I will be looking at all next comments you may have
Anyway, enjoy this exciting event.
I
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382.226 | Vamos Muchachos!!! | MEXV01::CAVAZOS | | Tue Jun 28 1994 21:50 | 7 |
| Just want to wish good luck to our team (MEXICO),
My prediction is that we'll see a couple of very
good games in a few minutes.
I'll save my comments for later....
Regards
Fausto
|
382.228 | Final scores anyone? | ASABET::KNIPSTEIN | | Tue Jun 28 1994 22:09 | 5 |
| Can anyone post the scores from today's matches? I can surmise that
Mexico defeated Italy - which means Italy doesn't advance - but what
about the Ireland - Norway match?
Steve (Foxboro Stadium, Sec 225, Seat 12)
|
382.229 | Group E Scores | ODIXIE::RYANKE | Kevin Ryan @MTO DTN 360-5115 | Tue Jun 28 1994 22:28 | 2 |
| Mexico - Italy 1-1
Ireland - Norway 0-0
|
382.230 | Is the E for even? | ASABET::KNIPSTEIN | | Tue Jun 28 1994 22:34 | 7 |
| So does anyone know how this leaves the final Group E table? Mexico is
first, Norway last on goal differential, how about 2nd and 3rd?
Ireland and Italy are level on differential as well as goals for and
against. Does Ireland get the nod for 2nd since they beat Italy in
head-to-head?
Steve
|
382.231 | | MASALA::GMCKEE | | Tue Jun 28 1994 23:08 | 3 |
|
Who do Ireland play next..?? reports are either Brazil or Belgium.
|
382.232 | The HEAT is on | MASALA::JCRONIN | | Tue Jun 28 1994 23:44 | 4 |
| Eire finished 2nd due to the fact that they beat Italy.This means
that they will have to go back to Orlando according to the match
commentators.
Ferry Jambo.
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382.233 | You pick one! | BOSEPM::BOSEPM::CAMPKIN | The Landlord is back! | Wed Jun 29 1994 00:55 | 7 |
| Ireland as runners up in group E have to play the winners of group
F in Orlando on July 4th. That group hasn't finished yet. It could
any one of three teams, Belgium, Saudi Arabia, or Holland. Since
Belgium already are 3 points ahead of the others and have a plus 2
goal differential, they are favorites, but...!!!
Gerry
|
382.234 | | KBOMFG::RFORST | Rainer Forst SHR1-3/O13 DTN 237-3016 | Wed Jun 29 1994 11:01 | 2 |
| Together with group this is the lousiest. Fast food for the future
opponents.
|
382.235 | | KBOMFG::RFORST | Rainer Forst SHR1-3/O13 DTN 237-3016 | Wed Jun 29 1994 11:01 | 1 |
| ... together with group c ...
|
382.236 | | CECEHV::KEENAN_B | | Wed Jun 29 1994 11:06 | 6 |
|
yeah, I believe the match is in Orlando agains't Holland or Beligium
most probably Beligium I think either is ok and have the same problems
with heat. Well done Ireland.
Barry.
|
382.237 | | PEKING::COSSEYN | | Wed Jun 29 1994 11:23 | 8 |
|
No suprises here a VERY negative Norway drew with a not much better
Ireland side, worst game I've seen so far.....Thank god this group is
over and done with...As for Norway they are on there way home they were
a disgrace they contributed nothing to a World Cup that is becoming one
of the best I can remember...
Neil..
|
382.238 | | CECEHV::KEENAN_B | | Wed Jun 29 1994 11:29 | 6 |
|
Does anyone know anything about Italy are they going through or what
its not the same without them I presumed they would go through on third
place but do you have to wait until all matches are over.
Barry.
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382.239 | July 4th: ole ole ole | XSTACY::JDUGGAN | | Wed Jun 29 1994 11:39 | 17 |
| Italy still have to sweat it a bit.
Depends what happens in Groups D and F.
Romania v 3C/3D/3E Los Angeles
Argentina v 3B/3E/3F Boston
Great display by Ireland last night, if Sheridans chip had
of gone in it would have been one of the goals of the tournament.
Looks like Belgium in Orlando,
Jim.
|
382.240 | | FORTY2::FOWLERM | Resonate some understanding | Wed Jun 29 1994 11:42 | 6 |
| By, that Ronnie Whelan's fast isn't he? He looked like the Six Million Dollar
Man when he steamed after that through ball in the second half. 8-)
Whay hasn't he started all Ireland's games?
Mike
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382.241 | good option... | XSTACY::JDUGGAN | | Wed Jun 29 1994 12:00 | 9 |
| I think Ronnie should start against Belgium, he gives us
more attacking options from midfield (i.e. Keane, Towsend
and Sheridan can attack more knowing that Ronnie is covering
the space in midfield).
Also, he can put his foot on the ball, which will be handy
in Orlando,
Jim.
|
382.242 | | TRUCKS::SANT | network partner exited | Wed Jun 29 1994 12:01 | 5 |
|
Italy do qualify, but have to wait to see if they play Romania
or Argentina. The latter is most likely.
Andy.
|
382.243 | Almost as boring as watching speedway... | SWETSC::MELKE | Mats Melke, Stockholm | Wed Jun 29 1994 12:59 | 7 |
| I have to agree that the Ireland-Norway game was the most boring game
so far in this WC. Two defense-oriented teams without fantasy and
variation. If you want to play good football, you have to
enjoy playing football, but the two teams didn't seem to enjoy playing
football at all.
/Mats
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382.244 | That's that lot summed up then! | FORTY2::ASH | Mail Interchange Group, Reading | Wed Jun 29 1994 13:25 | 10 |
| Well done, Mexico - they played well against Ireland and deserved to finish
top. They've also got the only guy in the group who knows how to score - Luis
Garcia. Norway were a great disappointment after playing so well in the
qualifying (!). Don't know what to say about Italy - so much talent, so little
achieved.
Ireland have done well to get so far, but they are going to need a bit more
intelligence in the final third to go any further, I think.
grahame
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382.245 | Another for the coleman balls | IRNBRU::SMALLWOOD | Scotland. Hills Yes. Home no� | Wed Jun 29 1994 13:26 | 6 |
| RE .239
If the chip had gone in it would have been a goal????????
:>}
Steve.
|
382.246 | | GYMAC::DCASSIDY | | Wed Jun 29 1994 13:28 | 8 |
|
Boring ??...and Sweden - Brazil...Germany - Spain....Bolivia - Korea
Still matter of opinion....I quite enjoyed it actually...
Great to see Italy qualified though....
Dezzz.
|
382.247 | | SIOG::FITZPATRICK | | Wed Jun 29 1994 13:30 | 25 |
| I reckon Ireland played quite well yesterday. They attacked from the
outset. They were up against a stern defense, so I suppose a 0-0
draw is not going to entertain the neutral.
I reckon that Ireland are suffering from their reputation for the
long ball. However, they didn't play the long ball game in any of
their group matches so far. They have played the ball to feet, except
for crosses from the end line.
Having said that, I reckon that there's no harm playing the long
ball game, if it gets results. I must be one of the few who feels
sorry for Norway. I know they blew it by trying to settle for a
draw against Italy, but I for one wouldn;t blame them. Success for
Norway would have been to qualify from the group, just like it was
for Ireland in the last WC.
I'm all for entertaining football, but don't tell me that one sided
games with plenty of goals for one team are more exciting than
close 1-0 games.
So, poor Norway go out with 4 points, and Russia may well go through
with 3. I will be glad to see Russia go through, given their 6 goals
yesterday, but, I think people are just a little hard on Norway.
Michael.
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382.248 | The heat is on.... | KBOMFG::TANNER | Midnight is where the day begins.. | Wed Jun 29 1994 14:31 | 6 |
|
Well at least we know its hot in Orlando, and the lads have about 5 days to
recover.... heh Rainer I suppose your a great soccer player as well???? Mr
know-all from the ice-hockey world.......
-dave-
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382.249 | Well done Ireland!! | UNTADE::PCAS | Eat stool food | Wed Jun 29 1994 14:35 | 14 |
| Why did Ireland keep on putting crosses in for TGA, when it was obvious
they weren't going to win a header in the Norwegian penalty area if
they played till next Christmas??
Sheridan had the right idea, and it nearly paid off - I wish it had,
it would have been a cracker.
Norway were terrible in the first have, very negative. Ireland needed
more ideas in front of goal. In the 2nd, I thought it was pretty even,
and Norway looked more like scoring.
I spent ages last night trying to figure out how Ireland had qualified
above Italy - nobody mentioned the reason on German TV, or Eurosport,
as if they thought it was patently obvious!
Al.
|
382.250 | | KBOMFG::RFORST | Rainer Forst SHR1-3/O13 DTN 237-3016 | Wed Jun 29 1994 14:40 | 1 |
| Mr. know-nothing, people are just not created equally ... 8-)
|
382.251 | Re last... | KBOMFG::TANNER | Midnight is where the day begins.. | Wed Jun 29 1994 14:41 | 1 |
| and thank god for that..........
|
382.252 | | MUNSBE::CHEQUER | It's the way I write um | Wed Jun 29 1994 14:55 | 1 |
| did ireland qualify because they beat italy ?
|
382.253 | Ireland 1-0 Italy is the criteria... | CLARID::KREYER | Andre KREYER, Sophia Antipolis (FR) | Wed Jun 29 1994 15:01 | 14 |
|
> did ireland qualify because they beat italy ?
Yes, everything else being equal (goal difference, goals scored), the
next criteria is result of the game between the two, and since Ireland
won that one, they get ranked 2nd and Italy third...
On the other hand, all those rules seem very confused in most peoples
minds. I thought I understood that the yellow cards/red cards counters
were supposed to be reinitialized for whoever enters the next round
(8th final) but some comments from the french commentators seemed to
imply the contrary, I'm lost... and eventually I don't care anyway :-)
.Andre.
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382.254 | Hope to make things clearer... | ELIS::BOEREN | I aim to please. Then I fire! | Wed Jun 29 1994 15:08 | 6 |
| RE.-1
About the yellow cards: Every player will lose a yellow card when going
to the second round, except when you've got two, then you *do* get a
suspension.
Marcel
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382.255 | Not all sweetness and light | BOSEPM::BOSEPM::CAMPKIN | The Landlord is back! | Wed Jun 29 1994 15:29 | 46 |
| Reuter Report
POLICE FIRE RUBBER BULLETS, TEARGAS, AT MEXICAN FANS
LOS ANGELES, June 28 (Reuter) - Police fired rubber bullets and teargas at
rock and bottle throwing Mexican soccer fans as celebrations of their team's
progress to the second round of the World Cup turned violent, a police
spokesman said Tuesday.
Huntington Park police Lieutenant Michael Gwaltney said some officers were
injured, as well as a three-year-old girl hit in the head by a bottle, and
about 12 people were arrested.
Half of the small city's 12 police cars were extensively damaged from the
hail of rocks and bottles, Gwaltney said, and several store windows were
broken and there was minor looting.
It was the second time that police in the Huntington Park suburb of Los
Angeles had to deal with fans throwing bottles and rocks in celebration of
Mexico's progress through the world's largest sporting event.
Gwaltney said the crowd of rowdy fans, estimated at 3,000 to 4,000 large, got
out of hand at just before noon when Mexico drew 1-1 with Italy.
About two hours later the situation was out of control and police used
"pepper spray, rubber bullets and sting balls" to combat the unruly
celebrators, Gwaltney said.
The so-called sting balls were thrown toward the mob by officers and exploded
in the air, releasing small rubber projectiles about the size of the top of a
man's little finger.
"They are non-lethal projectiles that get your attention. They sting when
they hit," said Gwaltney.
He described Huntington Park as 96 percent Hispanic and said some local
Spanish language radio stations, "encouraged people to go out and celebrate
and block the streets. They created this but we still look like the bad guys
for spoiling the fun.
"We would like them to get the idea that we don't want to have to do this. We
would like them to go home. We would like to be able to go home," he said.
On Friday night, police were pelted with rocks and bottles by more than 3,000
Mexican fans after Mexico had defeated Ireland 2-1.
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382.256 | Italy vs ?? | STRATA::ZAMORA | | Wed Jun 29 1994 15:50 | 18 |
| Re .239
>Italy still have to sweat it a bit.
>Depends what happens in Groups D and F.
>Romania v 3C/3D/3E Los Angeles
>Argentina v 3B/3E/3F Boston
Same question I asked before about group A. What determines which
team would Italy play since we know Argentina or Romania could play
against 3rd place from group E ????
Thanks.
A_Colombian_who_was_let_down_by_a_team_that_all_of_us_know_plays_10_times_
better_than_they_did_in_their_first_two_games. :( :(
/PZ
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382.257 | LA or Boston | XSTACY::JDUGGAN | | Wed Jun 29 1994 15:59 | 17 |
|
> Same question I asked before about group A. What determines which
>team would Italy play since we know Argentina or Romania could play
>against 3rd place from group E ????
I think they just go through the list in sequence and work
them out from there. So, in Italy's case, they'll calculate
Romania v 3C/3D/3E Los Angeles
If Italy are the best 3rd team of those, then they'll play
in LA. If not, they'll compete for the place in Boston.
Argentina v 3B/3E/3F Boston
Jim.
|
382.258 | Easy ! | LARVAE::FERRARO_A | Antony Ferraro @UCG | Wed Jun 29 1994 16:05 | 17 |
| It is dependant on which mix of countries qualify for the 2nd round as
the 4 best placed teams.
If the four teams that qualify are from groups
ABDE then A3 v B1, B3 V C1, E3 V D1, D3 V A1
ABEF then E3 V A1, A3 V B1, B3 V C1, F3 V D1
ADEF then D3 V A1, A3 V B1, F3 V C1, E3 V D1
to get the full picture look at the elimination table on the world cup
prediction notes file. Above are the only three possible combinations
of best third placed teams.
See, as clear as mud.
Antony
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382.259 | if then else.... | TRUCKS::SANT | network partner exited | Wed Jun 29 1994 16:29 | 3 |
|
Sorry, Antony, but I don't understand. Could you explain that
again for me please? 8-)
|
382.260 | BBC COMMENTRY BLOOPERS! | AYOV16::WCOLVILLE | | Wed Jun 29 1994 17:41 | 43 |
| Well a pretty boring game for a neutral to watch, although I imagine
the Irish/Norwegian fans were engrossed due to the high stakes
involved.
The Irish definately had the better of the game with some good passing
movements, but seemed to lack the killer punch in the last third of the
field. Saying that, Sheridan was unlucky with his chipped attempt, and
if Wheelin' had more pace than an Elephant Seal he might have been in
with a chance.
Anyway now some good comments from last nights Intelligent BBC
commentry team John Motson and Liam " Crap Manager " Bradey.
John Motson : near half time.
" Well Bonner's had nothing to do apart from picking up the
Pass Backs !!!!! " <--- What a donkey Motson is!
John Motson : In the first half
" Once the players are on the pitch, theres not much the manager can
tell them. "
John Motson : Second half
" Norway are attacking more now, You think Big Jack (management)
would give the players ( now on the pitch ) more instructions. "
How long does Motsons memory (if he has one) last.
Liam Brady : Inthe second half, after Gary Kelly had brought a
Norwegian down.
" It was a cynical foul, but a GOOD foul!!!!! Norway were on the break
then, he did well to bring him DOWN !!!!!!!!! "
Can you believe it ???????????? Anyway it was funny at the time :-)
.Sandy
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382.261 | Saudis 1-0 Bel, Hol 2-1 Morocco | IRNBRU::HOWARD | NYC 28-6-94 Irl 3-2 Nor | Wed Jun 29 1994 22:18 | 4 |
| It looks like Ireland -v- Holland in Orlando....
Ray....(just back from 5 days in Dublin, does anyone have a spare
stomach pump?...)
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382.262 | | PEKING::WILSOND1 | DAVE WILSON @WLC | Thu Jun 30 1994 09:09 | 15 |
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Well done Mexico, good riddance Norway.
Ireland qualify and will beat Holland imo, although they should try and
make the keeper make atleast one save in the game, which is more than
they did against Norway, but atleast they tried to win the game.
..still trying to figure out how Paul McGrath gets MOM when he only had
to defend for 25 minutes and it was clear that Jason McAteer was the
best player on the pitch.
Italy, not to sure about them, can't see them really troubling any of
the better sides in the competition.
Dave...
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382.263 | Ireland, no probs | CECEHV::KEENAN_B | | Thu Jun 30 1994 09:20 | 10 |
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Ireland 2 Holland 0
I think we can do it and we will then face brazil in tge 1/4 final
presumming off course Brazil beat USA. I am living in Hollland so I
will be out in Amsterdam wearing my Ireland top in the local Irish
pub for the match should be intresting, but we done it once and I
think we are looking better now and holland no better.
Barry.
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382.264 | Y | ESSB::MCUNNIFFE | I am the best footballer in DEC by a long way | Wed Jul 06 1994 12:31 | 11 |
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Holland 2 Rep of Ireland 0
Berkhamp
Vonk
Aldo is a great player but even he can't score from the sideline. He should
have been in the team instead of Coyne was was crap.
C U N N O
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382.265 | If Jack retires Cunno can take over ... The Shredded Wheat ads ! | BERN01::BOLGER | Jerry Bolger. | Wed Jul 06 1994 13:59 | 11 |
| Spot on Martin,
Also, what the hell were Kelly, Babb and McAteer doing on the pitch.
Ronnie could easily have replaced all three leaving Jack with the
option of playing Aldo, Tommy Coyne and Tony Cascarino up front.
Jerry.
;;;;-----))))))}
(Just in case anyone other than Martin thought I was being serious !)
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382.266 | | ADDULT::ROBERTSON | S'il Vous pla�t, o� est le bar? | Wed Jul 06 1994 14:06 | 8 |
| For once I agree with the great one.
TGA should have been brought on during the Holland game instead of Tony (and I
thought Whelan was slow!!) Cascarino, god what a donkey he looked. And I think
Houghton should have gone off. He got into the scoring positions well enough,
but wasn't going to score until he'd grown at least another 4 inches.
Al
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382.267 | ;>) | PAKORA::ISUTHERLAND | Same Sh*t...Different day. | Wed Jul 06 1994 18:58 | 6 |
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Re:last.
In height....
or length ?
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382.268 | Some more cliches on our defeat!! | ESSB::MCUNNIFFE | I am the best footballer in DEC by a long way | Thu Jul 07 1994 01:40 | 10 |
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At the beginning of the week, I was over the moon about our qualification
for the second phase but after the Holland game, I was as sick as a parrot. The
boys never got into their stride and Holland set their stall out right from the
start by throwing everything at us. We never got to the pitch of the ball and
once we lost thew two goals we were chasing the game. We had a mountain to
climb and we had to dig deep but at the end of the day, it wasn't enough.
C U N N O
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382.269 | If Italy win the WC they where only beaten once | CECEHV::KEENAN_B | | Thu Jul 07 1994 09:28 | 11 |
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I thought we showed alot of spirit though in the second half, a pity
we did not play that way in the first. Why Mc Ateer was not on from the
start and Aldrdige brought on, I think Aldridge would'nt have missed
Houghtons chances although he gets himself in the positions. I can't
help feeling Cascarino was brought on to give him a kick about in the
world cup. The Dutch papers wrote about how rare it was for one manager
to hug the other after a match as this, they say thats how it should
be.
Barry.
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382.270 | | AYOV20::MRENNISON | Waiting for hell to freeze over | Thu Jul 07 1994 13:22 | 5 |
| re.268
Surely it was a game of two halfs
Greavesie
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