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       I don`t know about Sky but I heard  Channel 4 have paid about 
       1 million to show live Italian football every Sunday,
       starting next season.

    
    I think its a brilliant idea having Italian football live on Chanel 4.
    Instead of suffering through games like Crystal Palace vs Southampton we can
    see the game as its supposed to be played - with players trying to
    pass the ball to guys wearing the same colour shirt, not hoofing the
    ball up to some 6'5 center forward, which is the way most of the teams
    in these islands play. Maybe now young players will look up to the
    likes of Ruud Gullit et al. instead of Mick McCarthy!
    
    Thank you Channel 4.

           <<< Note 248.2 by SIOG::APPS_PB "League Champions 1967" >>>
                                -< Viva Italia >-

    
 >   I think its a brilliant idea having Italian football live on Chanel 4.
 >   Instead of suffering through games like Crystal Palace vs Southampton we can
                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


      Surely some mistake.


      Stuart

    In reply to the first note apparently the new sky deal doesn't
    include Scottish as yet as they are still negotiating with the S.F.A,
    but S.T.V will be showing Scottish football this season they have just
    announced a new package which shows highlights from a Premier match and
    also the goals from all the other premier games played that day,there
    will also be goals from a 1st Division and 2nd Division game.

    Is there anyone outside Scotland who'd be interested ??? ;-)
    
    Adam.

    Wait and see its Fantasy to say Italian Football is interesting most
    games are boring, i watched some last yr on Sky and there is passing to
    the same coloured shirt Ok , the fullback givesit to the sweeper who
    gives it to the othere fullback who roles it in turn to the keeper 
    who roles it in turn to the sweeper and we have about 1 hr 25 of this 
    then one player runs into the oppositions half scores a goal then it
    gets really boring,
    
    Fact the grass is greener on the other side, our football might not
    be the prettiest to watch but it is the most entertaining,
    
    
    Joe, kick it and chase it thats Football!!!!

    I agree with that.  Italian football is very boring, because the away
    team never plays with a positive attitude.  I think all of the people who
    watch this, will be disapointed.
    
    
    Gary..

    
    I would disagree with the last two replies.I wasnt over impressed when
    I first watched,but as you get to know the players and teams and get
    used to the attitude towards the game in Italy,it grows on you,well it
    did me.
     
    Anyone who thought the Milan-Naples game was boring last year needs
    there head testing.
    
    The quality of the Football is good no doubt about that,but I supoose
    its what you think is good football,if you like the more direct
    football,it wont suit you.
    
    Dave...

    
    Must agree with you Dave, I managed to see most of the Italian league
    games last season and thought they were very entertaining.
    
     ANDY....B
    
    

    One game you remember one good game eh!
    The others must be good.
    Lets face it its the fashion to say Italian Football is good its boring
    in the main and every one knows it ,all that diving whats that all
    about.
    The English game is mostly enetertaining for one reason or another
    so many Italian games are stalemates where both teams are settling
    for a point its boring.
    
    It all sounds glamour and skill in reality its pass backs and boredom
    you will learn.
    
    Watch the german league thats boring too its on a friday nite
    

    Does anyone else turn to the crowd noise only audio channel (5) when
    they're watching the Sky Premier League coverage. I would highly
    recommend it if you don't want your IQ reducing to that of Andy Gray.

 
   Italian football boring!!!!! Come on lads, has anyone seen AC Milan play
boring football last season, or Juventus, or Lazio Rom, or Napoli, all of these
teams would kick ass in the premier league.... The Italian league was boring a
few years back approx 6-10, but then they started importing the creme de la
creme, and 90% of these players were and are offensive players.....

    I would say wait untill one of the English teams meets one of the Italian
teams in the European competitions, if the English teams get so far, then we can
start comparing......

                                                            -dave-

>    I would say wait untill one of the English teams meets one of the Italian
>teams in the European competitions, if the English teams get so far, then we can
>start comparing......

	There's no need to wait....

	Remember Genoa....	Liverpool do!!!

	'Nuff said

	I for one am looking forward to the 6th Sept.

Al

    Sorry about the typos in a hurry honest!!!!!

    
    Re .14
    
    Dear Mr Antell,
    
    Welcome to the Football conference. I have been following your
    unsuccessful attempt at provoking reactions in the Golf conference for
    a while now and I must admit I have found them extremely unamusing.
    Fortunately you have failed to drag that conference down to your own
    level. I guess it was to be expected that you tried another hunting
    ground (or is that fishing waters?)
    
    Before you continue to litter this conference with more useless
    diskfillers let me enlighten you that a certain Martin Cunniffe
    (Known to himself as The Great Cunno, Angling Champion, known to
    everybody else as the Great C**t) for years now has fished in these
    waters, and I regret to say caught some big ones. There is also a
    minority group in Scotland whose members enjoy indulging in Big Sea
    Fishing, but they rarely catch anything. More often than not they get
    caught by their own hooks.
    
    In recent years the Football noters have learned to distinguish
    Cunnoisms from serious entries, and I must warn you that in order to
    generate any controversy in this conference you have to be far more
    subtle than you have been so far. Otherwise your notes will be totally
    ignored. 
    
    This is written in all friendlyness, I just don't want you to waste
    any of your valuable time on a feeble cause.
    
    
    	Best regards,
    
    		Stefan

    Dear Stefan,
    
    You are a moderator are you , the feelings i put forward were not meant
    to be rude or anything like that , they are what i feel about
    continental football sorry if they dont fall into place with your
    veiws,
    i dont know what to say i thought thats what the notes file was about
    
    I have not been trying to provoke anything Stefan you are out of line 
    i would say.
    
    I watch foorball and tried to play it for a few yrs at a desperate
    level , why get on my case.
    
    
    Joe
    
    

    
    	Yeah, shut up Joe, what are you talking about 8-) 8-)
    
    	Ha Ha Ha!!!!!!!!!! I think you upset someone me ol' mate!!!
    
    	Any chance of some of those brilliant quiz questions in the
    	relevant topic to redeem yourself to your disillusioned public?
    	See if slap-head's got any good ones....
    
    	Andy.

    
    Sorry, I should have made clear that I am NOT a moderator of this
    conference. The moderators do a good job and perhaps my "help" was
    uncalled for, I don't know.
    
    
    	cheers,
    
    		Stefan
    

    Hi Stefan,
    
    Yes Moderators do a good job , but i was more than a little suprised to
    see my writing a few facts about Football History trying to justify
    my point caused such a stir, still it takes all sorts and if we were
    all the same life would be boring, no offence meant honest guv!
    
    

    Well Channel 4 have got themselves another viewer here. Italian
    football for free certainly beats 5 quid for Wimbledon v Sheffield
    United.
    
    Glad I didn't buy a satellite dish!
    
    Paul

	Sky Sports doesn't seem to have scrambled yet, so it's stll FREEEEEEE!
	
		p1

    
    	Well, Sky sports has scrambled on my cable but it is still
    watchable with the sound turned off (Usually better for footie
    matches!)
    	Channel Four certainly kicked off with  a terrific game
    Sampdoria 3 Lazio 3 - definately a good game to watch

    RE. 23
    
    Did Gascoigne play for Lazio ?? If so, how did he do ??
    
    Keith.

    re .24
    
    No, he didn't, he was injured.
    
    John ( and caused to enter a new topic.......:-( ..)

    Here are the latest prices for SKY sports ....
    
    If you Subscribe to the following.
    
    Sky Movies +  and Sky Movies  �2.99   a month
    Sky Movies +  only            �4.99   a month 
    Sky Movies    only            �4.99   a month 
    Neither of the above          �5.99   a month
    
    
    
    Rupert.
    

    
    
    My hangover must be bad today, that doesn't make any sense to me.
    
    Paul

    
    Translated =
    
    If you subscribe to both movie channels Sky Sports will cost 2.99
     "       "       to only one movie  "    "    "     "    "   4.99
    If you don't subscribe to the movie channels  "     "    "   5.99
    
    Gordon...
    
    

    
    	Well I don't subscribe to either, and I'll be b*ggered if anyone's
    	getting �5.99 out of me !! 8-)
    
    	Andy.

    
    Yeh, serves me right for working with a hangover - in my defence, I
    didn't realise there was Sky Movies + and Sky movies.
    
    Anyway, why would anyone want to spend money to watch Sky after the
    'free' football that's been on in the last week...
    
    Wednesday
    
    Leeds 4-1 Stuggart - a classic
    
    Saturday
    
    Blackburn 7-1 Norwich - Shearer magnificent
    Ipswich   4-2 Leeds - Leeds brought down to earth with a bump
    
    Sunday
    
    Napoli 2-3 Juventus - amazing atmosphere - not a bad game
    either....Juvenus 3-0 up with 7 minutes to go
    
    (The Sky game on Sunday, Oldham - Everton got 0.5 out of 10 for
    entertainment from the radio commentator)
    
    Paul

    RE.29
    
     I don't think you can get it any clearer than that.
    
    
    
                                          

    
    re .29
    
     If you can't understand it then call 0506 260 260. Then again it's
    a Scottish number so you might not understand them.
    
    

    
    Well, well, well.......another excellent Italian game on Sunday with AC
    Milan beating Lazio 5-3. There were a few comments earlier in this
    topic...are they being withdrawn yet as I would say that the
    entertainment supplied by the Italian soccer has been excellent with
    Sundays game the best football I've seen in ages.
    
    Mind you the Man U v Liverpool was OK as well but then it should be
    with it costing so much!!!!! ;-)
    
           Jonno
    
    

    
    What Sky appear to be worried about is that the number tuning
    in to watch these live games is around the 500,000 mark.
    
    They have reason to worry because the weekly average for the
    Sunday live games of last season on ITV/BBC was around 5 million.
    
    I doubt they'll ever get these numbers either unless the price
    of a dish and decoder was to come down by a huge amount.
    
    The majority of the football loving masses in this country simply
    don't have the money to lay out.
    
    JN.

>                      <<< Note 248.34 by PEKING::NAGLEJ >>>
    
>    I doubt they'll ever get these numbers either unless the price 
>    of a dish and decoder was to come down by a huge amount.

    The dish and decoder aren't that expensive are they? What I object to
    with Sky is the ridiculous price for subscriptions to scrambled
    channels, and the need to have a dustbin lid stuck on your wall.

    Andy

    
    You are looking at about �200 as a minimum and then you charges
    on top of that. Alot of pockets don't go as deep as that.
    
    JN.

    I suppose this is the right place to give an opinion of "The Whole New
    Ball Game" at the end of its first season?
    
    Much to my surprise, I have been very impressed with Murdoch-Vision. I
    have watched a lot more football than I used to on the box, and it has
    generally been very well presented. I also (unlike most of you!) quite
    like Andy Gray (When I can understand him) and reckon he is a bit like
    James Hunt in his views.
    
    Good Bits -
    
    Having the score/time on screen all the time
    The spread of matches shown - ie not always Man U, Looneypool, Arsenal
    in some combination
    The Footballers Football Show
    The variety of studio guests (eg Bill Foulkes at the MU game last
    night)
    The generally very restrained commentaries 
    The lack of endless verbiage in the player graphics during games
    The Club Show - some interesting angles for example Eagle Eye's view of
    Palace
    The interviews with fans and referees
    The commitment to non-Prem matches, eg World Youth Cup, Eng U18,
    Autoglass Trophy
    
    The Bad Bits -
    
    Rather gushing about non-descript games at first
    The graphics for goals and at the add breaks
    The Sky Strikers and Sumos
    Too much intro on Sundays (2 hours is too much, the 45-60 mins on
    Mondays is better)
    Richard Key's jackets (By Yves St Laurent)
    Ignoring the old Football League
    Having to pay for it! (even tho we currently get it for around #5 a
    month via cable)
    
    Anyway, I have enjoyed it, Palace were on live, Salads Salako was kept
    busy, and we'll be watching next season (assuming Palace stay up!)
    
    Paul

    
    I would agree, I also think it has been good. The show on Sunday is too
    long but apart from that it's ok. 
    
    What I hate is Richard Keys continually reminding us "its exclusivly 
    Live on SKY sports"...we know that.
    
    At �2.99 a month its a bargain. I wonder how much it will be next
    season....? mindyou Its got to be worth it, if only for the Boxing.
    
    Dave... 

Can somebody please explain why Wimbledon are featured on nearly every Monday
night game? I'm watching Eurosport, rather than Sky - however I guess that the
setup is the same?

Also, why are some of the 'name' clubs never featured - it is only when
Wimbledon are playing one of them that you DON'T get to see Vinny and co.!?

-Steve

    
    Steve it  was always the same with M.OT.D 
    
    Give SKY their due, this is the first season that they have attempted
    to deliver football to the screens regularly. I for one enjoy what they
    dish up. ( <-  dish up   get it ?? ). Im looking forward to the FA.C 
    first round games live etc, this is a first as well. Anyway I like
    watching Wimbledon.
    
    
    Gary

    Gary,
    	Don't you get whiplash when you watch Wimbledon, cause all that head 
    jerking, as you watch the ball being booted into a low orbit is sure to 
    have some effect on the muscles in your neck.
    
    ;-)
    
    Rich.

    
    Is there any chance that it's the 'Big Clubs' pressurising Sky not to
    get them to play on Monday nights because of decreased gate receipts ?
    
    I suspect such things make little difference to Wimbledon. In fact its
    probably to their advantage that Sainsbury's is closed on a Monday
    evening ;-)
    
    Rob

    
    And why, when there is regular football almost every night, does 
    nobody play on Thursdays ? 
    
    Is it because Vinny and the boys are doing the weekly stock check 
    at Sainsburys ?
        

    
    Re pressure from the clubs on Sky.
    
    You'll probably find this is the other way around. Football wouldn't
    survive without the millions in dosh that Sky is pumping into it.
    
    Sky have a big handle on the FA. and in a sport thats as much about
    money as it is kicking a ball - its the man with the wallet who comes
    out on top. 
    
    As for playing Thursdays, thats too close to the weekend. Saturdays
    will always be big football day and some rest is required.
    
    Do I get whiplash and neck ache from watching Wimbledon play ?.
    Nah, I play that way every Sunday, Im used to it !.
    
    Gazzer.

    >>Football wouldn't  survive without the millions in dosh that Sky is
    >>pumping into it.
    
    'course it would. So there.

    
    -1
    
     without the millions being pumped in there would be practically no
    live football on tv and 2. Entrance prices to the grounds would go
    through the roof.
    
    So it wouldn't. So there.  :-)
    
    

    
    Gary, 
    
    I take it you're looking to get discount from your monthly 
    sky rental.
    
    Football could live quite easily without TV, but it wouldn't 
    be the same.
    

    Actually, football probably couldn't survive now without the money from tv.
    It could have done if the ammounts hadn't become extremely silly over
    the last few years, and some of them use these funds as a lifeline.
    Siome of the money filters down into the lower leagues, and could you
    immagine a small club suddenly getting nothing. Clubs would fold faster
    than an expert at origami. I'm not saying that I agree with it. I find
    the idea that some yob live Mr Vinnie Jones can earn over �3000 a week
    for kicking a piece of leather around. The world of football has gone
    mad and I wouldn't be surprised if the accountants decided it would be
    much be much better financially if all the players were sacked, and the
    accountants went out onto the pitch and compared figures to a crowd of
    30,000. 
    
    Rich.

    
    Can anybody tell me which games are being shown live over Christmas, as
    I don't own a Wok I need to plan my visiting schedule before the wife
    does.
                 
    I already have Man Utd. vs Blackburn Rovers on 26th Dec.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Andy  

    
    Everton - Sheff Wed's is live on SKY at some time - 27-Dec at 5:00 PM I
    think....
    
    Paul

    
    So we can all plan a night out on that date then.

    
    What, and miss another episode in the downfall of the Toffee's ??
    
    The Owls to win 3-0
    
    Paul.
    

    Only 3 ?????? come on.
    
    Rich.

    
    Can somebody tell me which game is on next Monday night and will the
    MANU trip to Leeds be shown on Wednesday.
         
    thanks,
    
    Andy

    There is no football on Monday night as they are showing the ManU game
    on Saturday....
    
    	There's also no Leeds vs ManU game.
    
    Rick.

    
    For info:
    
    Sky's coverage up to Nov 21 (courtesy of Sky text)
    
    Aug 6/7 Makita tournament, live coverage of the matches involving
    Arsenal, Chelsea, Napoli and Athletico Madrid.
    
    Aug 13 Charity Sheild
    
    	Man Utd v Blackburn
    
    Aug    Prem. Live
    
    21	Leicester 	v 	Newcastle
    22	Notts Forest 	v	Man Utd
    28	Liverpool 	v	Arsenal
    29	Coventry	v	Aston Villa
    
    Sep
    
    11	Leeds		v	Man Utd
    12	Tottenham	v	Southampton
    18	Chelsea		v	Blackburn
    19	Ipswich		v	Norwich
    25	West Ham	v	Arsenal
    26	Sheff Wed	v	Leeds
    
    Oct
    
    2	Notts For	v	QPR
    9	Newcastle	v	Blackburn
    10	West Ham	v	Crystal Palace
    16	Ipswich		v	Sheff Wed
    17	Arsenal		v	Chelsea
    23	Blackburn	v	Man Utd
    30	Wimbledon	v	Norwich
    31	QPR		v	Liverpool
    
    Nov
    
    6	Aston Villa	v	Man Utd
    20	Leicester	v	Man City
    21	Everton		v	Liverpool 	

    How come Man Utd is getting so much Sky coverage.. you'd think they'd
    won the Leauge or something.... or is Sky trying to give them extra
    money so that they can go out and buy players like Chris Sutton.
    
    Sept. 11 will be an interesting match!!! :->>>
    
    	My prediction... 
    
    		Leeds 	2	Man U 	1...
    
    	:->>>
    
    	Rick.

	On the Jan 1st 'Goals on Sunday' on Sky Sport, they ended the
	program with a 100 goal video sequence. The music playing during
	this was probably titled 'New Years Day' (judging by the lyrics),
	but the question is, who were the band ?

U2?

	I don't actually know, I was just trying to find out because
	it was kind of catchy. It seemed a bit on the mellow side for U2.

All is quiet on New years day,
da, di ,da da da da, da di da( don't know the words)
Want to be with you, be with you, night and day ,
I will be with you again ( repeat ad nauseam...)

If it is that's U2 
Problem solved ?

Except, that's not at all mellow, is it.  Maybe it's some fancy new 
trance-type-doobury.  Why not pop over to UKMUSIC and ask in there.  

    The following details are from the back of todays Daily Mail:
    
    1.	Sky is thought to be offering �600m for the Premiership coverage
    	for seasons 1997/7 - 2001/2.
    
    2.	Part of the current sky deal means that they can submit their bid
    	after other TV companies and they have full access to the other
    	bids. Apparently, ITV, BBC & Wire TV (Cable Co) privately admit
    	that they cannot beat Sky unless Sky decides it doesn't want to bid
    	for the football.
    
    3.	The Endsleigh League receives nothing from the deal at all whereas
    	Premiership club will get �6m a season.
    
    4.	Next season, 3 clubs go down with 3 coming up so Premiership stays
    	at 20. If this stays the case in season 1997/8 the Merson Cup
    	winners will not get a place in the UEFA Cup. A working party is
    	being set up to look at 2 up & 2 down in future.
    
    5.	Pay to view TV is part of the new deal so expect to have all of
    	Moan Utd's games televised.
    
    Stuart 	 

	re .63

>    4.	Next season, 3 clubs go down with 3 coming up so Premiership stays
>    	at 20. If this stays the case in season 1997/8 the Merson Cup
>    	winners will not get a place in the UEFA Cup. A working party is
>    	being set up to look at 2 up & 2 down in future.

	Could you please explain this a little more fully. (I'm having a
	rough morning. It's just taken me far to long to understand the
	nature of a change in our code one of my colleagues was asking for.)

	Tony

    Tony,
    
    > Next season, 3 clubs go down with 3 coming up so Premiership stays
    > at 20.
    
    3 relegated from Premiership with 3 teams promoted which means that the
    total n� of teams in the Premiership will stay at 20.
    
    > If this stays the case in season 1997/8 the Merson Cup winners will not 
    > get a place in the UEFA Cup
    
    UEFA has stated that if a country has its top division with more than
    18 teams, as from 1997/8 season onwards their League Cup competition
    winners will not be invited into the UEFA Cup. Incidentally, the French
    have just started their League Cup and have negotiated an opt out from
    this clause.
    
    >A working party is being set up to look at 2 up & 2 down in future.
    
    The Premiership want to exclude crap like Leicester, Swindon & Ipswich
    so will be making it harder for them to get promoted by reducing the n�
    of places available.
    
    hth
    
    Stuart