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158.1 | England 2 France 0 | PEKING::MCKIEN | NICK | Tue Feb 11 1992 14:22 | 7 |
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That man Lineker is no slouch either, even though he is
considered by some to be an "old man".
He is still knocking in the goals in the English 1st Division.
Nick.
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158.2 | | LISTIM::ARNOLD | | Tue Feb 11 1992 15:05 | 12 |
| Anyone got any team info?. I think this game may not be an accurate
pointer to the Euros as there are some significant absences through
injury in the England setup (Platt, Sharpe, Gascoine?,Barnes?). I
reckon Platini wont want to give too much away either and will leave
out a couple of key players. I fancy Taylor will give Shearer a go too,
either as a straight replacement for the boy Lineker or even as a
striking partner. I`ve noticed from watching Southampton on the box
lately that Shearer likes to go wide a lot, that may suit Lineker as
he`s a straight down the middle man. Dont think England will be able
to stop Papin scoring at least once.
Tony
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158.3 | Taylor Needs his Eyes Tested | SCOAYR::GMCKEE | | Tue Feb 11 1992 17:49 | 8 |
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This game would have been an ideal chance for Taylor to give Gary
Stevens a game. He is (IMO) a far better right back than Lee Dixon
and is the most consistent player in Scotland at the moment.
Taylor was at the Rangers v Aberdeen cup game but wanted to see Hately
who was out injured and never even said hello to Stevens.
GORDON...
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158.4 | | FORTY2::ASH | Grahame Ash @REO | Tue Feb 11 1992 18:20 | 5 |
| Re .2, no England team news yet. taylor's named a squad of THIRTY to cover the
Wembley game and the U-21 game the previous night. As you said, no Barnes,
Platt, Gascoigne - but everyone else is in!
grahame
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158.5 | 2 missing in the French team | BONNET::VISCIGLIO | Allez O.G.C.N. ! | Wed Feb 12 1992 09:56 | 8 |
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Two key players of the French selection (at least) will not be
there, due to injuries:
* The goal keeper Bruno Martini, replaced by Rousset (who does not
seem to be very secure at the moment)
* The winger Vahirua, whose backup is not yet known.
Pierre-Yves
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158.6 | | FUTURS::ROWELL | Boink ! | Wed Feb 12 1992 13:03 | 5 |
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Is Macmanamamamamamaman in the squad, or will Taylor wait until he is
30 to give him a chance ?
Wayne.
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158.7 | The England Squad | YOUWOT::DURANT | | Wed Feb 12 1992 14:44 | 28 |
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The England squad for both the B game and the first team games against France
has been combined as Taylor wants to start building the squad for the European
championship.
The new surprise selection is Jones (not Vinnie), the young right back from
Liverpool, but there is no MacManaman. Also, Matthew LeTissier and Alan Shearer
from Southampton have been included along with Martin Keown of Everton.
The full squad as far as I can remember is:
Woods Webb
Seaman Batty
Coton Thomas
Dixon Rocastle
Jones Sinton
Pearce Daley
Dorigo Le Tissier
Wright Shearer
Walker Lineker
Pallister Wright
Keown Shearer
Mabbutt Ince
Stewart
Beardsley and a couple of others are on standby.
Steve.
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158.8 | England win 4 tries to 1... | LEMAN::BURKHALTER | | Fri Feb 14 1992 13:48 | 10 |
| Well that well known Yorkshire lad Eric Cantona is in the starting
11 for the England game. It's a pity that the talented French
Club player Chris Waddles not in the England team squad.
Waddle continues to entertain the French crowds and stops the French
commentators from telling every one how dull the English game is...
The warm up game is tommorow with 15 players each in Paris.....
-Dom
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158.9 | ZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz | ULYSSE::CHAMPOLLION | �ric leads Leeds | Fri Feb 14 1992 18:05 | 3 |
| Yeah but when Waddle plays for England he IS boring. Same for Barnes.
�JF?
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158.10 | PAPIN - VAN BASTEN | ULYSSE::DAVIDSE | | Fri Feb 14 1992 21:34 | 7 |
| What do you mean by saying that there can't be a more lethal finisher
in Europe. Did you ever in your life take a look at our Marco van
Basten??? It seems like if you did not.
bye and have a lot of pleasure watching A.C. Milan
Bart
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158.11 | | CASEE::CIOT | | Sat Feb 15 1992 18:06 | 3 |
| I like : " ... at our Marco van ..."
^^^
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158.12 | 2-1 to England | LEMAN::BURKHALTER | | Mon Feb 17 1992 12:56 | 14 |
| Let's hope Wednesdays game is little cleaner than Saturdays rugby
match. It does add another twist to the game, French pride
certainly a little hurt, more from how the English press viewed
the game than from the actuall result. Just goes to show what happens
if you quote from the 'Sun' and 'News of the World'.
Yesterdays TF1 football review gave a close look at the French
goalie Rousset (sp) who is normally the second choice for the
French team. He gave the impression of being a 'tall Bruce Grobellar'
especially in some of the daft run outs from his area.
Could be a weak point to exploit for Wednesday.....
-Dom
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158.13 | The eternal pessimist writes ... | ANNECY::ROWLAND_A | a slip of the tongue | Mon Feb 17 1992 13:36 | 14 |
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Well, having seen the last few French matches, I'd say the last
prediction was just a little optimistic ! Does it really matter who
they stick in goal if England don't get anywhere near it ??? I gather
we'll be without a few "regular" players too, if you can call them
that. I liken the situation with the current England side to that of
the French rugby team - ie, a period of transition. So I wouldn't be
surprised if the french strolled this one by three or four goals. Let's
face it, it wouldn't be too much of a disaster anyway, if they go to
Sweden thinking that we'll be pushovers !
Ads (who, incidentally, will probably be watching the game as the only
England supporter in a bar crowded with fanatical Frenchmen !)
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158.14 | Unbiased reporting ??? 8-) | ANNECY::ROWLAND_A | a slip of the tongue | Mon Feb 17 1992 13:41 | 8 |
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re. 12 -
I forgot to ask - how did the British press view the rugby match ?
You might be interested to hear what the papers over here had to say, I
can tell you !
Ads.
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158.15 | Garlic Revenge? | LEMAN::BURKHALTER | | Mon Feb 17 1992 14:15 | 13 |
| Well Ads I'm in Geneva, so all I got was a quick glimpse of the
headlines from what was shown on STADE 2 as the French commentary
team went over the debacle. I did get yesterdays Observer and that
was ENGLAND ROUT UNRULY FRENCH, a bit dramatic for one of the
'sensible papers' what?
Best of luck on Wednesday just rememeber not to jump up and down
when England score. I'll be introducing my 8 month year old
daughter to English football when its being shown on French TV...
...I hope it doesn't send her to sleep, on secon thoughts I hope it
does as I'll get to see the game in a bit of peace!
-Dom
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158.16 | Who paid the ref ?? 8-) | ANNECY::ROWLAND_A | a slip of the tongue | Mon Feb 17 1992 15:30 | 29 |
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>> I did get yesterdays Observer and that
>> was ENGLAND ROUT UNRULY FRENCH, a bit dramatic for one of the
>> 'sensible papers' what?
Agreed. But get some of this, as reported in the french press :-
Apparently one of the English forwards, in an interview in a french
magazine before the game, made certain "statements" regarding the
french "style of play" - basically that the ref needs to keep his wits
about him. According to this journalist, this led to "the referee
spending all his time watching the men in blue, thereby allowing the
English to CHEAT AT WILL without punishment". Now that's strong enough,
but here comes the 'pi�ce de resistance'...
"The sendings off of <frenchman no.1> (for stomping repeatedly
on someone's head) and <frenchman no.2> (for a head butt), were,
despite the fact that they had been warned not five minutes
previously, totally unjustified ...." !!!!
My apologies to the french guys who read this conference - but
surely that's taking journalistic licence a little too far ... IMHO,
it's a great shame - there's no doubting the talent and potential of
the side, but they just seem to lose their heads on these big occasions
for some reason. Something that the footballers don't seem to have a
problem with, thankfully (then again, we haven't seen them losing for a
while... 8-) 8-) ) !!
Ads.
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158.17 | "I only crushed his skull, ref" | ULYSSE::CHAMPOLLION | �ric leads Leeds | Mon Feb 17 1992 19:04 | 15 |
| May I just say that the 2 French commentators, after the game and the
excitement, conceded that the English were... simply better on the day
and that "possible" ref bias was not the reason behind the defeat.
The problem is elsewhere. I don't know English rugby, but French rugby
certainly is rough to say the least. A pity, as we do have the best
skills for fast play etc.
Oops, this is a football conference and I am one of the moderators, the
founder... Perhaps I will delete my note now... no, tomorrow, so you
get a chance to read it!
Revenge next Wednesday :-)
�JF?
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158.18 | Interested to hear from you !! | PLUNDR::LOWEG | Don't believe a word | Mon Feb 17 1992 19:34 | 10 |
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Try ADD ENTRY SHAWB1::RUGBY
SHAWB1's decnet address is 41.570..
Your comments would of interest to the rugby noters trying to
understand the French so called different way of playing the game.
(That isn't a dig at anybody neither)..
Gary..
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158.19 | 'B' International. | PEKING::DAVIESG | Wherever you go, there you are | Tue Feb 18 1992 08:56 | 20 |
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...Just seen the team selection for the 'B' international tonight at
Q.P.R.'s ground (I've forgotten where that is..);
Seaman (Arsenal)
Curle (Man City)
Dorigo (Leeds)
Stewart (Spurs)
Mabbutt (Spurs) Capt.
Pallister (Man Utd)
Ince (Man Utd)
Merson (Arsenal)
Wright (Arsenal)
Palmer (Sheff. Wed)
Sinton (Q.P.R.)
So you can get most of the team of the big game by taking these players
away from the 30-strong squad. Sort of.
Greg...
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158.20 | | AYOV10::MDONNELLY | Leaning against the spin | Tue Feb 18 1992 13:55 | 8 |
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Is the game live on French TV?
Michael
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158.21 | Keown's in | BLKPUD::WATTERSONP | oh - and while you're there.... | Tue Feb 18 1992 14:07 | 6 |
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The England team has been announced, I haven't heard all the details,
but Lineker's OUT. In come Rob Jones (Liverpool) ????, Shearer
(Southampton) and MARTIN KEOWN - Everton's classy centre back.
Paul
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158.22 | Oui (je crois) | BONNET::HARDY | | Tue Feb 18 1992 14:29 | 8 |
| Michael,
If I remember correctly, it's on TF1 at 20.50. I assume that's a 21.00
kick-off (20.00 for the UK and Mickey Mouse has his big hand on the 12
and his little hand on the 8 for the mackems)
peter
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158.23 | England Team | FORTY2::ASH | Grahame Ash @REO | Tue Feb 18 1992 16:47 | 18 |
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Woods
Jones
Pearce
Walker
Wright
Keown
Webb
Clough
Shearer (Southampton)
Hirst
Thomas (FEs)
Lineker is one of the subs. Interesting that Taylor isusing this match to get
experience for uncapped players, but Platini has picked an almost
full-strength team
grahame
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158.24 | Intresting team | LISTIM::ARNOLD | | Tue Feb 18 1992 17:49 | 3 |
| Great to see Clough get an outing, is it Clough jnr or snr?
Tony jnr
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158.25 | Looks a bit boring, but you never know.. | TRUCKS::SANT | | Tue Feb 18 1992 18:57 | 13 |
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A little strange for Taylor to pick a sweeper. Clough is not a good
choice, nor a particularly long-term one, but he probably got a
chance owing to all those injuries.
Great to see young Jones in the side. This boy is *good* and I've
said as much a few times in the Liverpool note recently. Well done
to him, and to Sourpuss, who must take some of the credit for
unearthing him from Crewe.
Just can't see who's going to get the goals..
Andy.
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158.26 | Zap zap zap | ULYSSE::CHAMPOLLION | �ric leads Leeds | Tue Feb 18 1992 19:55 | 6 |
| Re. 19
The 'B' game is live on Canal+ in France, just about to start actually.
If you're reading this from home and you have le d�codeur, enjoy!
�JF? [I don't have a decoder so I'll eat tacos instead]
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158.27 | Good side.... | PEKING::WILSOND1 | | Wed Feb 19 1992 09:13 | 20 |
| RE-2
Boring ?????
Id say this is the most interesting team Graham Taylor has picked as
England manager.At least he is picking promising players for this
one,not unlike other games where he picked Gray,Wise Sinton Etc.
It good to see him going with a sweeper,lets hope he sticks with
it,This allows Pearce and Jones to get foward without having to worry
to much about charging back everytime we lose the ball.England played
there best Football for years in the World Cup when they used a
sweeper.Last night the B side were knocking the ball about,actually
playing Footaball,it seems Graham Taylor has decided maybe the passing
game is the way foward,and not playing the long ball.
I hope the French A Team are better than the B side,I expect they
will be.
Dave...
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158.28 | So how'd it go ? | RTOEU::RDELANEY | Brace Yerself Gertrude...... | Wed Feb 19 1992 09:36 | 1 |
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158.29 | What ?? | PEKING::WILSOND1 | | Wed Feb 19 1992 10:02 | 1 |
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158.30 | The 'B' game.... | RTOEU::RDELANEY | Brace Yerself Gertrude...... | Wed Feb 19 1992 10:29 | 1 |
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158.31 | England 3 France 0 | PEKING::WILSOND1 | | Wed Feb 19 1992 11:00 | 9 |
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England won 3-0,with goals from Paul Merson,Paul Stewart and an O.G.
The French actually scored a perfectly good goal.that the ref
dissallowed as he didnt think it crossed the line,replays showed it to
be atleast a foot over.England dominated,and Merson's goal was agood
one from a free kick.Carlton Palmer had a very ggod game as did Keith
Curle.The French were very dissapointing.
Dave...
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158.32 | Hirst? | BONNET::MACDONALD | | Wed Feb 19 1992 11:23 | 1 |
| I must be out of touch but who is Hirst?
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158.33 | | FORTY2::ASH | Grahame Ash @REO | Wed Feb 19 1992 12:29 | 6 |
| David Hirst plays for Sheffield Wednesday and is one of those rare strikers
who can actually play a bit. He got a game or two on the summer tour.
Was the B game on British TV last night? I couldn't find it . . .
grahame
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158.34 | 2nd rate striker | ARNIES::PAGED | Brent Crude | Wed Feb 19 1992 12:59 | 1 |
| So why has Brian Deane been left out ?? Shearer !! Spare me.
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158.35 | 3-0 again.... | LEMAN::BURKHALTER | | Wed Feb 19 1992 15:03 | 9 |
| I hope Englands first team can match the B team score, 3-0 will do
just fine. Good to see Clough in, would have prefered to see his
Dad in the Manager spot too.......
Last nights France vs USA ice hockey match carried the spirit of
Saturdays Rugby match on, with it ending in a mass brawl, lets hope the
soccer is a little more civalised.
-Dom
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158.36 | England subs | FORTY2::ASH | Grahame Ash @REO | Wed Feb 19 1992 16:11 | 6 |
| And the mystery of why Le Tissier only played the last few minsutes last night
is solved - England's substitutes for tonight:
Seaman, Dixon, Batty, Lineker, Le Tissier.
g
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158.37 | Lineker on the subs bench | EICMFG::HOWE | Walking on VMS but sinking in ULTRIX | Wed Feb 19 1992 16:24 | 3 |
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Why is Lineker on the subs bench ?? Performance probs !! or just to
give someone else a runout.
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158.38 | | LISTIM::ARNOLD | | Wed Feb 19 1992 16:40 | 6 |
| The English defenders get to have a good look at J-P Papin tonight
(if they turn their heads quick enough!), guess Taylor is not inclined
to show off his star striker in return. On the other hand, maybe he`s
just playing crap!.
Tony
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158.39 | I reckon it'll be a draw!! | FORTY2::ROBERTSON | That's me in the corner | Wed Feb 19 1992 16:56 | 5 |
| re -.2
Lineker's on the bench purely to let Hirst & Shearer have a go.
Al
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158.40 | Still can't see who's going to get the goals... | TRUCKS::SANT | | Wed Feb 19 1992 17:44 | 4 |
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I think it'll be a draw too....nil-nil.
Andy.
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158.41 | | PEKING::NAGLEJ | | Wed Feb 19 1992 17:52 | 18 |
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Re:- Lineker.
What you have to remember is that Lineker will retire from England
duty after the Euro Finals. Taylor is simply taking advantage of
the friendly internationals to see who he can put in Linekers
place after he goes as opposed to waiting until he has already
gone.
I understand that he is looking for a two man partnership replacement
as opposed to a single striker practice. The sweeper system will be
employed this evening as well so with a bit of luck we'll see Pearce
and Jones patrolling the flanks.
JN.
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158.42 | Well....that was the main reason he went there ! | KIRKTN::JJACK | | Thu Feb 20 1992 00:20 | 5 |
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What was the score then ?
And also,...I bet Paul Elliott (ex-Celtic) is really delighted with the
way his England career has taken off since joining Chelsea 8*))
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158.43 | | KIRKTN::CPATRICK | SHOUT SHOUT let it all out | Thu Feb 20 1992 02:59 | 2 |
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England 2 France 0
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158.44 | Need to practise chiping over the goalie! | LEMAN::BURKHALTER | | Thu Feb 20 1992 06:31 | 12 |
| In the end England looked good and deserved they're win. There were moments
in the first half that didn't look too good. A mixture of lack
of imagination plus lack of confidence made them look a bit lost.
But it all changed with the goal at the end of the half and after
Lineker came on. The French seemed to lose heart and players
like Papin were never given the room that they get in the French
League.
With the addition of a player like Gascoine, the team could get
to the final this summer.
-Dom
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158.45 | Shearer & Lineker ? | RTOEU::RDELANEY | Brace Yerself Gertrude...... | Thu Feb 20 1992 08:47 | 1 |
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158.46 | Didn't Hirst and Thomas play well? :-) | PEKING::DAVIESG | Wherever you go, there you are | Thu Feb 20 1992 09:15 | 19 |
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I saw this game live last night on Sky Sports and England (to my
surprise) played really well without what is widely considered our
danger men (Gazza, Platt etc.). Shearer is definetly England's new
danger man, and He showed it last night with a very classy performance
that proved he is an adequate replacement for Lineker, and more
importantly, he plays well alongside Lineker which is a good sign for
the European Champs. I also thought that Rob Jones played a blinder
showing great composure at the back and almost getting a goal early on.
On the other side of the coin, France played some exciting football at
times and looked dangerous at several times during the match, Cantona
nearly scoring on five minutes and Woods really had to stretch for the
ball when Boli had an excellent chance later.
It was a good games, all in all, and although the French looked
dangerous, IMO England always looked like winning.
Greg....
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158.47 | * | LEMAN::BURKHALTER | | Thu Feb 20 1992 09:17 | 9 |
| re: -1
Yup...
First time France has lost in 3 years!!
But it'll be the game in Sweden that really counts.
-Dom
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158.48 | Promising effort | SHIRE::ROQUET::DIXON | | Thu Feb 20 1992 09:25 | 27 |
| Last night's 2-0 win was merited on the run of play. France had a couple of
near misses, but even the one's that sneaked past the post, would have been
reached by Woods, had they been on target. In return England had two one-to-one
situations that were not converted.
I thought that some of the new lads had excellent games.
Shearer was in just the right position to score the first and virtually made
the second goal. In addition, he always looked sharp.
Clough played very intelligently. He made some excellent passes and his
first time shot was instrumental in the scoring of the 2nd goal.
The Boy Jones also made a very good impression at full back. Hard to
believe he was in the 4th division not long ago.
The defence looked a bit shaky at times in the first half, but this was
probably due to a lack of familiarity and things knitted together better
in the second half.
The only England player to look thoroughly out of it was Hirst, who was
not unnaturally substituted after half-time.
All in all, a promising performance but there's still a long way to go.
The French can play a lot more incisively and they'll certainly have
more urgency in Sweden.
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158.49 | England 2 - 0 France | TRUCKS::SANT | | Thu Feb 20 1992 09:27 | 26 |
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Glad I was up to my usual standard of predictions...;-)
England were a little fortunate not to already be a goal down by
the time Shearer poached his goal, but we were full value in the
second half. Jones was superb - this boy's going to be around for
a long time! Hilarious attempt by Thomas to chip the 'keeper from
40 yards when put through on goal by Lineker...8-)
Clough surprised me. His lack of pace is obvious but he found some
useful close touches around the centre-field area and played quite
well. Webb had a good game too. Walker/Wright/Keown looked
sound-ish, although to be honest the French attack was feeble.
Papin and Cantona were billed as some sort of assassin partnership.
They'd struggle to shoot their way out of a paper bag..
All round satisfaction I guess - Platini quite rightly didn't seem
to give a t*ss about the score, so this game simply was a look-see
for both managers.
With Platt in for Thomas this side looks Ok. The Gurning Idiot has
his work cut out if he thinks he's walking back into the England
side. Goodbye Barnes, Beardsley, McMahon, Robson, Waddle, Dixon,
Adams - your time is up.
Andy.
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158.50 | IMHO | SYSTEM::STEVENSON | Judge Paul Rendall presides !!!!!!! | Thu Feb 20 1992 09:30 | 50 |
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Well,
I don't know about you lot, but I felt England made
some bad mistakes last night, and it was only France's
misfortune which gave England the game.. I felt Des Walker
was NOT playing up to his full potential, and he frequently
resorted to late tackling, and shirt pulling in order to
maintain the chant of 'you'll never beat D...".. Hirst made
some appauling passes last night, one which immediately
springs to mind was back to Woods via a French forward.. I'm
sure that was the reason he was sub'ed off at half time..
Chris Woods had an O.K. game, IMHO, all the mornings papers
seem to be raving about how good he is... lets hope that remains
the case when he innevitably makes a few blunders......
All in all, a fairly entertaining game... England won and that's
really all that should be said, especially playing against France..
I can't believe France haven't been beaten for something like
3 years, wow....., time does fly... Let's hope that these 'new'
players settle down into the English International style football
and also Rugby.. It does seem precariously worrying that so many
players from these two great sports are retiring, I just hope the
lower ranks have players of the same calibre coming through..
I was dissapointed with the crowds at both the Scotland and England
games, 13k and 58k respectively.. IMHO the English crowd were
hideously tame, and unnaturally quite, the only noise I seemed to
hear were a large party of what sounded like school children
chanting 'England'...(Obviously being chaperoned by teachers..*8])
Although, in saying that, there was one occasion that I found the
crowds antics particularly funny... In the second half a Frenchie
started to get a bit pushy, with I think Keown, and the crowd started
with a rendition of 'Sweet Chariot', memories from Saturday are still
lingering..... *8]
Cheers Al.
P.S. Who was the French player that decided to do a Bruce Lee
impression on Neil Webb in the second half.. i.e. the ball went
out of play, the Frenchie thought it was 'his' ball and proceeded
to leap into Neil Webb who was taking a quick throw-in..
P.P.S. Alan Ball in the England camp now ehhh... Christ this England
camp's bigger than Butlins now.... *8] IMHO Taylor is just
surrounding himself with 'yes' men to take the pressure and spotlight
off himself, not that I saying there is anything wrong with that....
P.P.P.S. Jimmy Hill and El' Tel' were truely on form again last night
it's about time Terry just 'clobbered' the prat, and pick up his OBE
at Christmas... *8]
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158.51 | First thoughts ... | ANNECY::ROWLAND_A | a slip of the tongue | Thu Feb 20 1992 09:42 | 46 |
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I think that there is plenty of room for optimism after last night's
performance, which goes completely against my bleak prediction - but I
don't mind being wrong about that ! I was impressed with Shearer in his
first match, which got better with the introduction of Lineker (I feel
a bit sorry for Hirst who never really got into the game). Definitely a
potentially good striking partnership for Sweden there ... The back
four looked pretty solid too - Wright outstanding, Walker doing his
normal great job, and Psycho managing to keep his wild challenges at
bay too ! It was the first time I've seen Rob Jones play, and I was a
little worried that he might be a bit over-awed, but none of it. I can
see what the Scousers have been going on about now; he looks very
promising indeed. Nigel Clough showed great vision in some of his
passes, is excellent at closing people down at getting the ball back
when the opposition think they've got away - and typically was in the
right place for a superb volley which led to the second goal. I just
*wish* he had an extra yard of pace, that's all his game lacks really ...
Dom could be right - introduce players like Platt and Gascoigne and
there's a fair old team on the way ...
I must admit I was a bit surprised by the French performance overall.
This was an almost full strength side for them (Martini and Sauz�
excepted), and whilst they did create more chances in the first half,
they didn't appear to be that bothered that they weren't going in -
something that they paid for on the stroke of half time. The threat of
Papin never really materialised - he will rarely get the space he's
used to in France against English defenders, and as such, chances are
more likely to be converted by midfield players making use of the space
he can create for them.
From the French point of view, however silly this may sound, it was a
good time to lose a game. It was going to happen at some point, and it
turns out to be in a friendly, well before the Finals. They will now be
able to go there with their feet back on the ground and without the
pressure of sustaining a three year unbeaten run. Like I said, it was
just a friendly, and I imagine that we'll be seeing a totally different
game when the Euro Finals come around. Having said that, it's quite
rare for us to have reason to be pleased after an England home
performance, so I don't care if I appear to have gone a bit overboard
here !! 8-)
Ads.
PS. Notice, Dom, that I managed to get away with my life ! Good job it
was only a friendly really !
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158.52 | | SEDSWS::WILLMOTT | Don't believe that either | Thu Feb 20 1992 11:18 | 11 |
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I heard on the radio this morning that the French national NewsPapers
have gone on strike today. The last time this happened was...yes
you guessed it, when France lost to Scotland 3 years, the last previous
defeat. They certainly take it hard :^).
CHris
ps This was on the Danny Baker Morning show so it probably needs
a Frenchman to confirm it.
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158.54 | Rugby, Football - what next ? | BLKPUD::WATTERSONP | oh - and while you're there.... | Thu Feb 20 1992 11:34 | 14 |
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I couldn't get over that French bloke's attack on Webb - what did he
think he was playing ? - Rugby.... anyway the result was the same - an
easy victory for England - I wonder if the French play cricket - we
could hammer them at that aswell..... :-)
England could and should have won by a lot more, Thomas proved that he
hasn't got the brains or skill to play at international level and I
agree with the noter who said Walker looked poor - he hasn't looked
that good for Forest for a while now - maybe Earl Barrett of Oldham
should get a chance - but beside that, everyone else (except Hirst)
looked comfortable - especially in the second half.
Paul
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158.55 | Even French strikers were on strike | EVOAI2::COCONNIER | | Thu Feb 20 1992 11:44 | 14 |
| re -1
It is perfectly true that National French Papers are on strike today
Whether there is a link with last night's result, I doubt it since,
if this were the case, they should have started a one week's strike
after last Saturday's result (rugby game) :-)
I agree with one of the previous noters that it was high time for that
French team to come back to the ground and lose one game
Now they can start another 3 years without any defeat :-)
Philippe
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158.56 | Not violent enough | EVOAI2::COCONNIER | | Thu Feb 20 1992 11:50 | 8 |
| Re .54
We, French, can't definitely play cricket : No chance to fight with the
opponents :-)
Philippe
PS : Sorry but my previous note should have been re-2
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158.57 | Can we stop now ?? | PLUNDR::LOWEG | Don't believe a word | Thu Feb 20 1992 13:24 | 14 |
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Any chance that everybody contributing to the football notes conference
can stop mentioning Saturday's England v France rugby union everytime a
footballer decides to have a rush of blood.
Its all been dealt with by the Union and it is now over and done with,
it doesn't help any sport by continually making references to the
incidents..
Its bad enough when Des Lynam kept mentioning it last night on
Sportsnight, and it seemed every interviewer afterwards tried to bring
it into the conversation.. This coupled with the papers which don't
usually report Rugby Union is blowing the incident out of all
proportion..
Gary...
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158.58 | It's only a game! | LEMAN::BURKHALTER | | Thu Feb 20 1992 14:55 | 8 |
| Gary,
Are you telling me that you don't think that Shearers goal just
before half time didn't have the same effect on the French as did
Webbs great running try just before half time in the Rugby?
:-) :-)
-Dom
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158.59 | | SEDSWS::WILLMOTT | I don't Believe a word | Thu Feb 20 1992 14:56 | 10 |
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Dear Mr Lowe
Perhaps you should buy a quality Newspaper in the mornings as
the SUN the Star and Escort Magazine,which I know you have
delivered every day or when available, never have covered the
Union much.
Anon
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158.60 | | PEKING::NAGLEJ | | Thu Feb 20 1992 15:27 | 10 |
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Shearer was good. Clough was good but he needs another decent
midfielder in there with him to allow him to do the thinking.
I didn't think Jones was up to all that to be honest. Lineker
showed them all how to do it.
Stuart Pearce was as usual "SUPERB".
JN.
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158.61 | Spppppooooooooooky !!! | PLUNDR::LOWEG | Don't believe a word | Thu Feb 20 1992 16:29 | 14 |
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re. 59
They don't cover anything very much !!
re .58
Quite a spooky comparison, both scores swung the game England's way..
Gary..
PS. It was mentioned last night that Thomas hadn't scored for England
before, but, I'm sure he has scored one. Can anybody confirm either
way ??
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158.62 | Only 8 yards wide .... | SHIRE::ROQUET::DIXON | | Thu Feb 20 1992 17:37 | 7 |
| Re .61
I don't know whether Thomas has scored for England or not, but on the
evidence of last night's effort when faced with only the goalie, he
probably never will again.
How much a week do these guys get paid for their footballing "skills" ?
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158.63 | Ah well | ULYSSE::CHAMPOLLION | �ric leads Leeds | Thu Feb 20 1992 18:41 | 29 |
| Well...
To be honest I thought the game was boring most of the time. On one
side you had a French team with nice passing, good build-up and then...
nothing. Only a couple shots and no clear chance. Amoros and Simba (hit
the post, remember?) had the best opportunities and, yes, Cantona after
5 minutes (French commentators are positive Des Walker handled the ball
ah ah).
I was pleasantly surprised by the English side, even more so when Mr.
Lineker came in. Sheer class, as always. In my opinion, better than
Papin.
Well, as the other noter said, better to loose now than in June of
course. Mind you, with a couple of good saves on both goals (we did
have the sub keeper) and a little more precision by Amoros and Simba it
could have been 2:0 to France. So, no panic for France and no
over-confidence for the English I would say. After all, it's only
natural that England should win at Wembley, eh?
Oh, and, I have to admit, Cantona was useless. Always playing
backwards, lost the leather once too often with silly backheel passes
which nobody understood, even himself I'm sure. Come on �ric, we know
you can do much better. We also missed the wingers (Vahirua and
Cocard). No wingers, no chances, that's the basis of football.
Cheers
Well done lads
�JF?
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158.64 | Is Dunno, Cunno's brother? | YUPPY::MCCABE | Mike | Fri Feb 21 1992 15:05 | 51 |
| ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!..............
[Special effects: The sound of lightning crashing, thunder
cracking and the wailing of an eternity (well, at the very least a
couple of million Scotsmen) of tormented souls...]
Coming to a screen near you soon....
The return of.....
A Graham Taylor production....
E N G L A N D - T H E S E M I - F I N A L P A R T I I.
ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!..............
[Special effects: The sound of lightning crashing, thunder
cracking and the wailing of an eternity (well, at the very least a
couple of million Scotsmen) of tormented souls...]
Following England's impressive second-half performance against
France, the pre-tournament favourites for the forthcoming European
Championships, the Albanian and Outer Mongolian consulates have
been inundated with queries from distraught Scotsmen requesting
immigration details. Apparently when asked if they are interested
in any particular part of the country, the general reply has been,
"Ah dinnae care, so long as it's a thewsand miles from the nearest
English get!" (Note: It has to be realised that this is a general
purpose token of affection widely voiced to the north of Hadrian's
Wall).
Not only that, but it is understood that hardware stores all over
Scotland are fast running out of 12 foot lengths of stout rope.
Also, bookshops across the country have reputedly run out of
copies of, "A 1001 Scottish Football Excuses". First published in
1966 and now in it's 597 re-print, this classic work of
literature, which is required reading in all Scottish schools,
contains such gems as:
"At least we know we're rubbish, you arrogant $�@!*s!"
"You English $%�!&*s are so arrogant, you always think you've
got a good team."
"%&�$@?!*s did you win the World Cup in '66, the %$�&*@g refs
gave it to you! And you were playing at home!"
"Bonnie Scotland, Bonnie Scotland, we'll support you ever
more."
Mike M
P.S. Just a joke, boys. Honest.
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158.65 | How could I follow that... | XSTACY::MDUNPHY | The Hit Man | Fri Feb 21 1992 17:49 | 8 |
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Well, Mike what can I say... Absolutely BRILLIANT!!!
( It could only come from a gunner :-)))) )
Mick
My vote for note of the year.
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158.66 | What was the address ? | ULYSSE::BREADIE | | Fri Feb 21 1992 18:15 | 1 |
| re.64 This has brightened up a bad Friday.
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158.67 | | LISTIM::ARNOLD | | Fri Feb 21 1992 18:27 | 4 |
| Must be a bad Friday Dennis, how come you`re not in Ollie's
already?
Tony
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