Conference trucks::football;1

    United V Looneypool
    
    Old Trafford, Sunday 6th October.
    
    
    �rian.
    
    

    TV games.....
    All you have to do to find out who is on the box, generally speaking,
    is perm any combination of: both of the North London mobs,both scouser
    teams, and the Mancs, regardless of how they are playing or where they
    are in the league!
    
    Fan of none of the above.
    

    Ref: Last
    
    You're right. We've had English league game of the week here for the
    last few years and its seems the teams you mentioned are most often
    in the spotlight. Then again, why shouldn't they? They are the best 
    teams. In addition, its big business and the larger the audience the
    bigger the paycheck. People like me that will watch a football game
    at any chance, don't care about any particular club (Most of the time).
    I've hated Liverpool since I was a kid and yet sat and watched them
    many times because they played great, exciting football. 
    
    
    JC
    

    Re:last
    
    I would question your word 'best teams'.
    If you mean their league position, then they certainly are not the BEST
    teams, perhaps teams with greatest tv pulling power, but certainly NOT
    best performing. For once this season, the Mancs can justify their tv
    appearance on performances, but in the past this has not been so. All
    you end up with is the bigger clubs getter the coverage, while the
    smaller, better placed league-wise, getting almost nothing.
    The Super league will fix this, whearby the clubs at the top get the
    bulk of the tv coverage and money, instead it going by who the club is!
    
    signed
    Fed up with the same old matches.

    You make a good point. In the final analysis, however, it is the size
    of the TV audience that dictates the fee the clubs, leagues, etc.
    receive and because footballing enterprises rely on international
    telecasts for significant amounts on money, clubs such as the Mancs
    will appear often simply because they have world-wide appeal/support.
    
    One way of ensuring fair coverage is to do what the NFL does:
    Each league club receives an equal share of the TV revenues. This
    applies to national telecasts, only. individual teams have their
    own cable and local telecast contracts.
    
    JC
    
    JC

    I think that the new super league starting next season will be fairer
    to all teams whether their on the box or not.
    As far as I understand, the new system for spliting the tv dosh is;
    
    50% of the tv money is evenly split between all 22 clubs.
    25% "   "   "  "    to the better placed clubs in the table.
    25% "   "   "  "    split between whoever is actually being televised.
    
    This is far better than at present where all the money goes to clubs
    that only appear on tv, which as we both know is the usual bunch!
    This wont stop the boring old games still being televised, but at least
    everyone gets a slice of the money.
    
    Mn.

    How do you definte "the better placed clubs in the table"? This does
    put a little incentive for mid-table teams to cross the magic line.
    Considering that the top handful will be playing in European cups they
    would get a little more from the league. In a lot of ways it makes
    sense to divvy up the TV money a little more evenly. If a smaller club
    has a little more money coming in they can now buy/develop better quality 
    players, resulting in more parity. More parity in the league means more 
    close matches and potential for upsets, which all translate into more
    entertaining football.
    
    Tom

    re -1  
    Quite simply, 'the better placed clubs' means, the higher in the table
    a club is the more tv money it gets, and better chance of appearing on
    the box. This is what clubs like mine have been waiting for, now the
    incentives are their to be as high in the table as poss, week in week
    out, in the knowledge of a fairer deal tv wise.
    
    Mn.

    I would appreciate it if anyone having satellite and channel numbers
    information for gametelecats from any league would send it to me. Also 
    games times, please. So far I can intercept (steal?) the English and Italian
    leagues. Portuguese games are scrambled. I'd love to pick up French,
    German and Spanish league games in particular, but anything will do.
    
    JC

    Sports Screen shows a Spanish League match every Thursday at 8:00 pm
    (GMT) (today Sp�rting-Real Madrid).
    
    Saludos
    
    JUANJO

    I think the Arsenal - Spurs game at Highbury 1st December is live.
    
    antony 

    
    What's this weeks game??
    
    Tony

    Arzzzzenal vs the Totters
    
    nb, Sunday 29 Dec sees the top of the table clash between Leeds United
    and Manchester United, should be a good game.
    
    jb.

Does anybody know what matches ITV will be showing live on sundays??
Do they change fixtures to suit the current league status & if so, how soon
will they let us know


	Mick.

     
    	Is tonights game between Southampton and United definately on?

    On or on the box?
    Scheduled for 7.30pm kick-off on SKY sports LIVE, or recorded highs on
    BBC1 at 10.10pm, and maybe ITV at 12.30am.
    
    Should be a good match - Ferguson has said its "go for broke" tonight,
    as he dosent want a fixture build-up later next month... He has ordered
    a 44 seater plane (6000 pounds) to ferry the whole team back by 12pm!

    I thought it was live on BBC1 ?

    
    	I believe it's on Sky Dave, don't know if that excludes it from
    being on BBC.

    dave, my rag-paper says 7pm Wogan, 7.30pm watchdog, 8pm May to Dec, 
    8.30pm Wildlife on one..... looks like it is Radio-5!

    Has anyone else noticed BBC TV's apparent policy on giving the football
    results on their main evening news bulletin?
    
    They only report FA Cup results and totally ignore League or League Cup
    matches. Does rival ITV's exclusive TV coverage of the latter matches
    preclude Aunty from even giving results or is it just pettiness on
    their part? I suspect the latter as BBC radio and BBC's partner, Sky,
    give a full results service in their bulletins.

    Sky and Auntie have the rights to FA Cup games, ITV has the right to
    the League and League Cup. BSB also has rights to ZDS and Autoglass
    games - the ZDS won't be there next season, the Autoglass trophy will
    still be there.
    
    Tonight, the Beeb is showing highlights of the Mancs and the Saints,
    and 10.10 pm, BSB is showing the game live.
    
    I find BSB live coverage better than ITV / BBC, especially the 1/2 hour
    'setting the scene ' bit, the commentators seem to be better as well
    (no Jimmy Hill for a start).
    
    jb.

Anyone in Galway.....

I rang The Goal Post on Wood Quay, and they've got Sky Sports and will
be showing the match tonight.

 - Kevin

I retract my statement of yesterday about SKY being in "The Goalpost" and
apologise unreservedly and deeply regret  any inconvenience caused to 
noters (or thier friends/family) by this wholly false statement.

Ahem...I was lied to!!! Never trust a barman looking for extar customers.

Anyway, another pub was found, which definitely has Sky, which can be used
in future (as long as Man UTd and Soton aren't playing)....."Barr an Caladh"
on Wood Quay.

The Guinness was a lot nicer in The Goalpost, incidentally.

 - Kevin 

    The wife is going to go mad - theres live football on again tonight!!!!
    
    ITV 8pm,  Liverpool v. Arsenal
    SKY 8pm,  Anouther "sports classic" where they show a previous FA cup
              final in full.
    

Whats the coverage like this midweek?

Any live matches on any channel? What about highlights?

 - Kevin

    
    Don't think there's any live games on BBC or ITV - there's highlights
    tonight at 10:55 on BBC.
    
    paul

    
    A report in today's Independent newspaper says that Match of the Day
    may return next season on BBC on Saturday evenings to show highlights
    of Premier league games.  ITV will still show live games on Sunday
    afternoons.  If this does happen, then at least some good will have
    come out of the Premier League.  It does not say if the coverage of FA
    Cup matches will be affected.
    
    Jon

    
    Hopefully Match of the Day will return on Saturday Nights...
    ITV do a good job but I  find they stick to regions an awful lot.
    
    I think its only fair that more than one TV company should
    have access to League /Cup football...
    
    The situation with the Cricket is crazy...if you want to see
    the cricket you have to but a satellite dish...
    Even if they showed highlights on another channell it wouldn't
    be too bad....
    That's unfair competition being used by SKY....Is it true that a 
    bill is expected to go through Parliament outlawing this?.
    
	Any comments....
    
    
    jm

    
    There's a discussion in REPAIR::CRICKET about BSKYB's coverage of the
    cricket - can't remember which note - if you want to see a few more
    views on the subject....
    
    Paul

What time is tonught's kick off Liverpool v Ports ??

    kick-off time is 7pm, on SKY SPORTS channel.
    
    up pompey !

    Is the Monaco v. Werder Bremen match to be shown anywhere in the UK
    apart from SKY ???
    
    Ray

    Highlights on ITV 10.40pm Weds 6th
    
    Paul

    It has come to light that only BskyB watchers will be able to see live
    `Premier' League football next season with the rest of us having to
    settle for highlights. At least it means we'll see 2 or more matches
    each weekend!
    
    JF.

    This is magic. Bring back the highlights. No more Man Utd - Liverpool
    et all. 
    
    I just wish I could be convinced that it is all worth 60 odd million a
    year.
    
    
    Regards,
    
    
    Barry.

    
    Apparently Channel 4 are to show live Italian football from the 
    beginning off the season........Good news.
    
     Neil...
    

    Here is BSkyB's schedule of live English Premier matches up to
    Christmas. At least, for the early part of the season, we're getting
    plenty of notice which will benefit us long-distance fans wanting to
    attend matches. How the second half of the season pans out in terms of
    switching fixtures remains to be seen. Sunday games are at 4 and
    Mondays are at 7:30-8.
    
    Sun Aug 16 Forest V Liverpool
    Mon Aug 17 Man City V QPR
    Sun Aug 23 Liverpool V Arsenal
    Mon Aug 24 S'ampton V Man Utd
    Sun Aug 30 Ipswich V Spurs
    Mon Aug 31 Norwich V Forest
    Sun Sep 6  Man Utd V Leeds
    Mon Sep 7  M'borough V Sheff Utd
    Sun Sep 13 Leeds V Villa
    Mon Sep 14 Coventry V Spurs
    Sun Sep 20 Man City V Chelsea
    Sun Sep 27 Sheff Wed V Spurs
    Mon Sep 28 Arsenal V Man Utd
    Sun Oct 4  OLdham V Everton
    Sun Oct 18 Man Utd V Liverpool
    Mon Oct 19 Villa V Blackburn
    Sun Oct 25 Wimbledon V Spurs
    Sun Nov 1  Villa V QPR
    Mon Nov 2  Palace V Arsenal
    Sun Nov 8  Sheff U V Sheff W
    Mon Nov 23 QPR V Liverpool
    Mon DEc 7  Everton V Liverpool
    Mon Dec 21 Norwich V Ipswich
    

    What do people think of Sky's coverage of the league so far ???
    I think Richard Keys is an ?#$%^@": and as for Andy Gray he'd be
    better off if he kept his mouth shut. It won't be very long before
    people are totally sick of them and stop watching altogether

	Are sky showing the Charity shield Live this saturday.

	Whats the KO time and the time coverage starts??

	Mick

     Yes it's on, times I'm not sure off.
    
    colin

    
    SKY are showing it, but it is also on BBC1, as I have seen the trailer
    a couple of times now on the tv.
    
    Grandstand starts at 10.35 tomorrow(Saturday), and includes the cricket
    as well as the footy.
    
    
    msac

    Re -1
    
    It's only highlights on Beeb 1 at 10.35pm
    
    Rob

    
    Also ...for anybody with time to spare this evening ...Sky are showing
    the full game of last year's Charity Shield at 21:00 (Sky Sports).
    
    Dezzz. 

I had quite forgotten how bad ITV coverage of live football was. As a SKY Sports 
subscriber I had become used to lengthy (if not always quality) pre,inter 
and post match analysis. The memories of those live ITV matches on sundays when 
they promised in depth comments from the guest after each break to return with some 
inane question and answer followed by another ad break had nearly dissappeared 
from my memory but last night brought it all back.

At half time there was a long ad break followed by a quick comment from ST.Glen 
Hoddle followed by another long ad break. The match itself finished at around 
8:50 with coverage due to end at 9 oclock so they took another break followed by 
a comment from Mr. H and ended without even reviewing the goals. Then there was 
another ad break before Coronation Street which started on time at 9.

The highlights later on were just as bad. The commentator on the Arsnal game was 
an Ian Wright groupie. The match analysis was short and humourless and lacked any 
depth and steered clear of criticism. The anchor man was the same guy who covers the 
athletics on ITV.

Sky sports has its weaknesses and Andy Gray can be a right asshole at times but 
there is an attempt to analyse the weak and strong ponts of teams and there is 
a sense of humour. While there are just as many ad breaks in the coverage they 
allow time for the guests to earn their money.

I also see that ITV have copied the clock and score display idea. 

regards,

derek.

I am not a subscriber to SKY as I tend to go and watch football live. But on the
occasions I have watched their coverage I must admit in terms of build-up ,
statistics and views it is very good. But they do have a habit of sometimes
missing the action while they are too busy showing as the little boy with his
scarf and painted face or a close up of some pretty woman. 

With ITV is a compact coverage you saw the goals plenty of replays etc etc..

What more do you want..!!


Tony

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    Yes, I agree, we are all at the mercy of the Global Media Thugs.
    
    Satellite/Cable TV in the UK has not be welcomed with open arms as the
    likes of Murdoch, etc. expected. They offer extremely poor general
    programming and then snaffle, with the collaboration of the BBC, the
    rights to screen the (English, not sure about rest of UK) premier league 
    football and charge extra for it. 
    
    As far as I am aware, the monies raised from subscription to Sky Sports 
    comes nowhere near the amount they spend on coverage and it's kept afloat 
    (unlike BSB and its proprietor ;-)) by the extremely huge wallet of 
    Murdoch (or maybe his employees' pension fund ;-)). This is obviously in 
    the hope that Joe Public will eventually say 'Oh well, it's only �XX per 
    month, I might as well subscribe...'. 
    
    I know I would rather save the money and go see a game on Saturday 
    afternoon near to home, irrespective of who's playing, once or twice a 
    month, than (eventually) line the pockets of Murdoch and his share-holders.
    
    However, if you don't subscribe to Canal+ you still have to watch the 
    grubby films in 'wobble-vision' ;-).
    
    
    Disgusted of N.F.A.,
    
    Steve.

There are 2 Cup Winners Cup game on in England today. Aston Villa start 1-0 
down against Inter - an entertaining English side against one of Europe's 
best. 

We also have Arsenal v Nicosia, with Arsenal already 3-1 up. 

Carlton (ITV London) is showing the Arsenal game! What's with this new-found 
'local interest'? I'd bet even a majority of Arsenal fans would rather watch 
the Villa game. Certainly everyone in Reading will be making sure they're 
tuned to Meridian, as every other region is (I think!) showing Villa.

grahame

    
    	Er, not quite, Graham.
    
    	Chelsea and Arzenil both play in the CWC. Villa play Inter in the
    	EUFA.
    
    	Chelsea and the Arse to progress. Villa to bite the dust.
    
    	Andy.

Cheers, Andy! And I agree with your predictions (sadly - it'd be great to see 
Villa win). (first and last time I've ever agreed with you I think!)

g

    just a note for English footy fans north of Hadrians Wall that you
    can see the English version of `Match of the Day' at 7am on Sunday
    mornings, and not the RangerScene Match of the Day cack that BBC
    Scotland broadcast....
    
    It's nice to hear Alan Hansen's dulcet tones again....
    "No I cannae agree with that Des"....
    
    Ray

    just a note for English footy fans north of Hadrians Wall that you
    can see the English version of `Match of the Day' at 7am on Sunday
    mornings,                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    
    Won't see it..........
    
    Still coming home from the boozer.......
    
    colin.

	The Celtic - Rangers game is on SKY live at 7.30pm tonight

	Choppers

    Anyone know if any FA Cup replay games are being shown live on Sky
    tonight. Are there highlights on later on BBC.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Paul

    
    does anyone know if the Hearts V Hibs game will be live on SKY
    on Wednesday night......

Sportsnight in showing highlights, even in Scotland, of the FA Cup rplays
on Wednesday night.  Don't know about Sky though.

    RE:.55
    
    SKY is showing Blackburn V Newcastle on Wednesday.

    Nop highlights tonight on Auntie Beeb. Sky have Blackburn v Newcastle
    tomorrow presumably with all of tonights goals, with Beeb highlights
    later on. 
    
    Hearts v Hibs is apparently not considered good enough to screen live
    when compared with Blackburn v Newcastle. wWonder why? English
    Parochialism, I s'pose
    
    Stuart

    Did anyone else watch Channel 4's `True Stories' programme about
    Maradona last night? An excellent program about a great player, but a
    player who has the biggest chip on his shoulder that I've ever seen. He
    seems to think that the whole footballing (and politicl) world was and
    still is against him....
    
    ...apparently he could finish up playing for Pele's old team Santos, or
    go to jail for shooting 4 journalists with an air rifle....
    
    Ray....

    However deluded and paranoid he appeared I must say that after last
    nights show I've got a lot of time for the guy. He came across as
    a very articulate chap and I certainly wish some of our footballer's
    could speak so lucidly and and passionately about the game. The 
    sequence showing him meeting one of his political heroes, Castro,
    was brilliant. It was also quite an insight hearing his feelings on
    the years of military rule in Argentina and made you wonder how on
    earth FIFA sanctioned a World Cup there in '78.  
    
    Furthermore anyone who attacks the way that FIFA operates has my
    vote of confidence. The sooner that Havelange and the South American
    mafia go the better. 
    
    barry.

    The second part of 'Match of the 70's' was shown here last night. It
    covered the 71-72 season....
    
    ....again it was pure magic....even though I was only 5 years old at
    the time, I can stil remember the Leeds v Southampton game, (7-0 to
    Leeds)....how many passes did Leeds put together in that famous
    sequence before Southampton touched the ball?...my guess is 35....
    
    ....they also showed footage of George Best playing for N.Ireland
    against Russia....I'd swear that the ball was tied to his feet....there
    were Russian players diving all over the place and they couldn't get
    near him....
    
    
    ....and who will ever forget Ronnie Radfords' 40 yard rocket for 4th
    division Hereford against Newcastle in the FA Cup....
        
    
    Ray....
                      

>>>how many passes did Leeds put together in that famous
>>>sequence before Southampton touched the ball?...my guess is 35....


That just shows hopw crap the game was in those days. It's much faster and
better nowadays. You don't get bloaty old folks playing until they're 97 like
you seemed to in the 70s. I'd have probably ended up liking rugby if I'd been
watching telly then. Desperate.

Mike

    
    >That just shows hopw crap the game was in those days. It's much faster and
    >better nowadays. You don't get bloaty old folks playing until they're 97 like
    >you seemed to in the 70s. I'd have probably ended up liking rugby if I'd been
    >watching telly then. Desperate.
    
    	I disagree.
    
    Malc.
    

You're probably right. I just react against sideburns. 8-)

Mike

    
    > sideburns
    
    	I don't remember the sideburns. I do remember thinking we could
    have got a few more candidates for the baldies team ...
    
    Malc.
    

    Malc,
    
    > I do remember thinking we could have got a few more candidates for
    >the baldies team ...
    
    Namely?
    
    Stuart

    Alan Gilzean was a bit thin on top aswell !!!
    
    
    
    Ian$observant

>        <<< Note 94.61 by IRNBRU::HOWARD "Lovely day for a Guinness" >>>

>    ....and who will ever forget Ronnie Radfords' 40 yard rocket for 4th
>    division Hereford against Newcastle in the FA Cup....
        
Please, Ray - some of us are trying to forget (but the BBC wheel it out every 
season). Still, things are looking up - I thought they were non-League at the 
time!

grahame

    >Please, Ray - some of us are trying to forget (but the BBC wheel it
    >out every season).
    
    	That must have been the goal of the year... absolutely brilliant..
    :->>>>
    
    	Well seeing Leeds win 5-1 against ManU sent shivers down my
    spine... I was cheering my head off... :->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    
    	Cheers,
    
    		Rick.

    Apart from "Supermac's" sideburns the most hillarious image from last
    nights show was the invasion of the "Parka Youth" on the two occasions
    when Hereford scored. 
    
    Delightful coats were'nt they? Green was definitely the colour on this 
    occasion, with a red lining topped off with that distinctive fur trimmed 
    hood. I had a penchant for the dark blue range me-self. It complimented 
    my high waisters and wedge shoes and I have to say that with my vinyl 
    addidas bag I must have like a complete and utter prat as I walked to
    school of a morning.
     
    Barry.
                                           

    I thought the best bit was Mrs Ian Storey-Moore. 
    
    "I don't interfere in Ians footballing decisions normally but I felt it
    my duty as a wife". Oh yeah? And I suppose the Popes a Protestant in 
    disguise. Pardon me madam but telling your husband not to sign for
    Nottingham Forest (after he had alledgedly already done so) but to go
    to TGFTITU smacks of a little of Mr Storey-Moore being a tad under the
    thumb.
    
    Bit like Stretch really.
    
    Stuart

    
    Oi Stuart
    
    	Are you taking the mickey out of our hero ? If you're not careful
    we'll come round and put a bat up your nightdress in the small hours ...
    
    The Stretch Fan Club.
    

    ref .73
    
        Merci beaucoup Mon Cher.....
    
    			Stretch.
    
    P.S Stuart is just p*ssed off regarding my Weller comments in UK_MUSIC
    

    Stretch,
    
    >Stuart is just p*ssed off regarding my Weller comments in UK_MUSIC
    
    Too F****** right. I'm just off to find out where you are from Mr
    Rutherford....
    
    Stuart

    One of my least fond (unfondest?) childhood memories is of the
    "Southern Soccer" programme that used to be shown in the south-east on
    Sunday afternoons. We in Brighton, for some reason, used to get the
    London "The Big Match" programme most of the time. However, about once
    in every 7 or 8 Sundays, we'd get lumped with "Southern Soccer"...so
    instead of Chelsea v. Leeds, it'd be Reading v. Exeter or Aldershot v.
    Barrow.
    
    My brother and I would race through the Sunday washing up and take our
    places in front of the telly with baited breath. The music that
    accompanied Southern Soccer was a bit like the music for the Hovis
    advert, and put me off brass bands for life. And the whole aura of
    Southern Soccer was epitomized by this balding midfield player called
    Kettleborough who played for Portsmouth (or was it Bournemouth?
    Reading?). Absolutely useless he was, too.
    
    Probably not even good enough to make our Baldies XI, come to think of
    it.
    
    Dom

    re.74 
    
    Mon Ami I could understand, but Mon Cher. 
    
    It's a bit much isn't it Stretch !!!!
    
    re.75
    
    How could I be so foolish, Stuart. I'm sorry !!!
    
    
    Ian.

    Did anyone else watch `Kicking and Screaming' on BBC2 last night???? 
    Probably not because it was screened at the same time as Lady Di's 
    interview, but it was a cracking good programme which looked at the 
    history of hooliganism and compared the grounds pre-Hillsborough to today. 
    It amazed me that fans could have put up with such treatment over the
    years. Herded like animals, although a few of those people in the
    programme last night deserved no better. 
    
    I had forgotten the scenes from the 86 Cup final, (Liverpool v Everton), 
    with blokes jumping from the top of the Wembley gates and grabbing
    their mates hands who were hanging from the 2nd storey windows to try get 
    into Wembley. Lunatics!!
    
    Ray....
             

    re -1
    
    It was an excellent series. Last night it looked as if Dein was going
    to be asked about whether he thought the bond scheme had been a
    success. He would probably have replied 'Yes' but there you go. Thank
    christ I don't sit in the North Bank Stand on a regular basis. The live 
    band would drive me nuts. I might go to one of the Ladbrokes booths and
    ask if they are taking bets as to how long before someone decks the
    band members in the name of good music.
    
    Stuart 

    Not totally about football but the brilliant `They think it's all over'
    starts again on Tuesday night on the Beeb....
    
    Ray....

    I sat down last night to watch the video of `Best night'....
    What a player! What a man!. To summarise, it was mainly about Best but
    there was also an excellent program about ManU during the `lean' 26
    years between league triumphs....
    
    Best thought that his greatest goal was against Chelsea, (strong run
    from midfield, surviving a `Chopper' Harris hospital tackle, rounding
    the keeper and scoring)....They showed ManU hammering Benfica 5-1 in
    Lisbon in the 66 European Cup, supposedly Best's greatest game and
    Michael Parkinson interviewed him on his 50th birthday....
    
    And Best is now married to a 23-year-old blonde babe! As everyone keeps
    saying to him, "Where did it all go wrong?.."
    
    Tommy Docherty came out of the ManU program very badly, (his treatment
    of Willie Morgan was a disgrace), and Best was not too complimentary
    about him either....
    
    All in all, a great night's TV....
    
    Ray....

    >his treatment of Willie Morgan was a disgrace
     
    
    I can't remember, what happened?
                   
    
    CHARLEY

    .82
    
    Morgan's side of the story....
    
    There was a summer to Australia (I think), and Docherty told Morgan
    that he didn't have to go on this tour, that he should take a holiday
    or something like that. Next morning's newspaper headlines...
    `MORGAN REFUSES TO GO ON TOUR' and he's shown the exit door....
    
    Docherty refutes this account, (well he would, wouldn't he?)
    
    Ray....

    One thing - I am sure I saw Best on "Natural Born Fotballers", or
    somthing else, talking about his favourite goal. I, and a few others I
    have spoken too, seem to remember him talking about another favourite.
    
    What's the story?
    
    
    
    				Stretch.

    Stretch,
    
    	For once you are quite right !!
    
    	Whenever I have seen him, his reply has always been the goal he
    scored for the NASL side, Earthquake. I don't know why he's suddenly
    changed his mind. He's got that many good goals to choose from maybe he
    just fancied a change !!!
    
    
    	Ian.

    >They showed ManU hammering Benfica 5-1 in Lisbon in the 66 European
    >Cup, supposedly Best's greatest game 

    Ray, can we take it that you're a "child of the seventies"? :-)
    Ahem...it was in 1968, and the score finished 4-1 to United.
    
    	Dom (who, aged 7, was packed off to bed when the score was still 
                                                                      0-0)
    
    

    Dom,
    
    	Prepare to come under an onslaught from Ray !!
    
    
    	Ian.

    HAH!
    
    Check the history books Dom, actually I think it was Benfica's
    first-ever defeat at home in European competition, and what a defeat,
    2 crackers from Best. Crerand, Charlton and somebody else completed the
    scoring....
                          
    Ray....
    
    ps, if you have a long-play video you can borrow the tape....

    It was 1966.
    
    hth.
    
    
    CHARLEY

'66. Quarter Final. European Cup. Lisbon. 5-1.

You must have been in bed for all of this one aswell.

Your parents have a lot to answer for.

    Erm, (wipes egg off face)...hang on a sec, so we're not talking about
    the European Cup Final? Well, I'll quietly sneak back into my corner...
    
    
    I still think you Irishmen (and you Scots, Mr. Rutherford) have got
    1966 on the brain ;-)
                          
    Dom

    New series of `Match of the 70's' started last night, starting at the
    76-77 season, so the next few weeks will feature quite a lot of Notts
    Forest and Liverpool games....
    
    last night's program was brillo, as usual. Nice to see ManU getting the
    odd hammering now and again, and what about Alfie Conn's `Viva Zapata'
    moustache!...
    
    Ray....
    
    ps....Isn't Emlyn Hughes a prat!!!! 

    What about the pasting QPR took then Ray? 
    
    Anyway Man U finished Liverpools treble chances so the season was not a
    complete waste!
    
    
                         
                         Stretch.

    .94, er....I must have missed that one. We did take quite a few that
    season, (hangover from finishing 2nd the previous season, which I still
    can't understand how we lost, having taken 27 points from a possible
    30 in the last 15 games)....
    
    Wasn't it great to see those loonies on the Kop surge towards the front
    whenever L'pool scored? It always amazed me that no-one ever got hurt 
    when this happened....
    
    Ray....

    >>Wasn't it great to  on the Kop surge towards the front whenever L'pool 
    >>scored? It always amazed me that no-one ever got hurt
    >>when this happenewhen this happened....
    
      Yeah, I was a bit amazed at the amount of movement involved and the
    fact the barriers did not just collapse. Any Kop people able to confirm
    the lack of injuries?
    
    
    
    			Stretch.

Not quite as impressive as the Famous Kop, of course, but I vividly remember 
being in the middle of similar events in Newcastle's Leazes End. As I was one 
of the rushers-forward, I never had any problem and didn't see any. But I 
can't speak for the poor souls who wanted to watch from grass-level down at 
the front!

What I still don't understand is - why weren't the 'crush-barriers' staggered 
so you couldn't go more than a few yards? Maybe it would be more dangerous to 
have lots of people pushed into them?

g

    
    re: standing on the Kop
    
    A movement of about 10 rows was pretty normal. The secret was to stand
    in front of a barrier. What happens is that you cannot see as the ball
    approached the goal (especially in the 2nd half) and you stood on 
    tip-toes. This made it rather unstable and everyone fell forward.
    
    People who fainted or got crushed were passed down to the St John's
    medics over everybody's heads, which was very effective but a bit scary
    for the casualty.
    
    Neil

    
    Ahh it was fun and we loved it....
    
    Dezzz.