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    Thought I would get htis note started.
    
    FA Cup Preliminary Rounds
    
    Stalybridge 4 Worksop 0
    
    The only reason I know this one, is that I live in Stalybridge.
    
    
    macca

    Gretna 3  Stalybridge Celtic 2
    
    Gretna become the first Scottish team to win a place in the English
    F.A. cup first round proper this Century.
    
    
    Dave Barnett.

    F.A. Cup 4th (final) Qualifying round results:
    
    
    Whitley Bay     1  Witton       4
    Guisley         2  B.Auckland   1
    Runcorn         1  Gateshead    0
    Barrow          0  Bridlington  1
    Telford         1  Knowlsey     0
    Colwyn Bay      0  Morecambe    2
    Chorley         2  Emley        2
    Leek            0  Lincoln Utd  2
    Gretna          3  Stalybridge  2
    Winsford        3  Altrincham   2
    Welling         5  Alvechurch   1
    Colchester      5  Burton       0
    Kettering       0  Stafford     0
    Gravesend       1  Harlow       1
    Grays           0  Atherstone   2
    Enfield         2  VS Rugby     1
    Tamworth        0  Bromsgrove   1
    Baldock         1  Halesowen    1
    Aylesbury       1  Chesham      1
    Tiverton        1  Dover        0
    Merthyr         1  Windsor      1
    Worcester       1  Marlow       2
    Salisbury       1  Farnborough  7
    Horsham         0  Crawley      0
    Slough          2  Kingstonian  1
    Weymouth        1  Sutton       1
    Hayes           1  Dorchester   0
    Tonbridge       1  Yeovil       2
    
    The draw for the first round proper takes place on Monday 28th October
    12 noon. History is will be made as Tranmere and Grimsby become the first
    Second division teams to play in the first round.
    
    Dave Barnett

    .2
    
    GRETNA PLAY ROCHADLE (AT HOME) IN 1ST ROUND PROPER.
    ,

    When is the first round - who have Tranmere got - we should be told
    
    REgards,
    
    Andrew.D.Wicks

	re .5

	Tranmere Rovers are in Division Two, so do not play in the F.A. Cup
	until the third round.

	Tony

    re -1
    
    Sorry Tony, but Tranny DO play in the 1st round this time along with
    Grimsby. This is the first time ever 2nd Div clubs will play in the
    1st round.
    
    Dave.

    Re .-1, .2,
    
    And the answer to my original question is ....
    
    regards,
    
    Andrew.D.Wicks

    
    Tranmere play Runcorn - a local derby in prospect.

	SOUTHERN SECTION
	Brentford	V	Gillingham
	Baldock or	V 	Farnborough
	Halesowen
	Bournemouth	V	Bromsgrove
	Swansea		V	Cardiff
	Kidderminster	V	Aylesbury or
				Chesham
	Leyton Orient	V	Welling
	West Bromwich	V	Marlow
	Horsham or	V	Northampton
	Crawley	
	Peterborough	V	Harlow
	Merthyr Tydfil 	V	Woking
	or Windsor
	Maidstone	V	Weymouth or
				Sutton Utd.
	Fulham		V	Hayes
	Slough		V	Reading
	Aldershot	V	Enfield
	Yeovil		V	Walsall
	Colchester	V	Exeter
	Atherstone	V	Hereford
	Kettering or	V	Wycombe
	Stafford
	Barnet		V	Tiverton
	Torquay		V	Birmingham


	NORTHERN SECTION
	Stockport	V	Lincoln City
	Hartlepool	V	Shrewsbury
	Witton		V	Halifax
	Chester		V	Guiseley
	Runcorn		V	Tranmere
	Scunthorpe	V	Rotherham
	Chorley or	V	Bolton
	Emley
	Mansfield	V	Preston
	Bury		V	Bradford City
	Darlington	V	Chesterfield
	Scarborough	V	Wigan
	Morecambe	V	Hull
	Huddersfield	V	Lincoln Utd.
	Wrexham		V	Winsford
	Bridlington	V	York
	Gretna		V	Rochdale
	Blackpool	V	Grimsby
	Stoke		V	Telford
	Burnley		V	Doncaster
	Carlisle	V	Crewe

	To be played 16th November

    
    Assuming my flight gets back from Turkey on time I could make a game on
    Sunday afternoon in the London area.  If any of those games are fixed
    for Sunday November 17th I'd appreciate it if somebody could let me
    know.
    
    Gary.

    RE .10,       
    
    Thanks a lot - oh my God Swansea vs Cardiff - someone should have a
    word  with whoever did the draw!!
    
    REgards,
    
    Andrew.D.Wicks
    

    
    Could somebody post the 2nd round draw here?.
    

	Now that the F.A. cup is beginning to 'hot-up' I thought I'd
	post the First round results from 26-Nov-1991:-


	FIRST ROUND
		WINDSOR & E	2	4	WOKING


	1st ROUND REPLAYS
		CREWE		5	3	CARLISLE
		FARNBORO'	4	0	HALESOWEN
		GILLINGHAM	1	3	BRENTFORD
		HEREFORD	3	0	ATHERSTONE
		TELFORD		2	1	STOKE
	**	ROTHERHAM	3	3	SCUNTHORPE
				7	6



	** Rotherham won after penalties decided the result...



	What does everyone feel about the re-introduction of the
	penalty shoot-out decision in the F.A. cup..?
	I think the shoot-out decision method was last used around 120 years
	ago in this tournament..!

	I did feel that last years F.A. cup did begin to grow a little
	tiresome for players and fans, with regards to the excessive
	number of replays that were needed to decided the results....
	However, I do feel that using penalty shoot-out's at this
	early stage in the tournament can be the only solution........
	Although how fans may feel after their club's been knocked out
	in the latter rounds by penalties will be interesting..!



				Cheers Al.

    
    	re .14..
    
    	Re-introduction? I thought the game made history by being the
    	first FA Cup game to go to spot-kicks?
    
    	Anyone?
    
    	Andy.

    
    I think using the spot kick method to finalise results in replay's is
    fine up until the semi-final stage, but from then on, I think a second
    replay is necessary. After going so far I don't think any supporter
    would be happy about his/her team losing on penalty's. We all know how
    it feels - England (Italia '90).
    
    Leigh
    

    
    Can anyone post the 3rd round draw here, for us Euro ex-pats?.
    
    Leigh
    

    
    Well from an Aussie ex-pat
    
    Huddersfield	vs	Millwall
    Oxford		vs	York or Tranmere
    Leeds United	vs	Manchester United  !!!
    Notts County	vs	Wigan
    Sheffield United	vs 	Luton Town
    Aston Villa		vs	Tottenham Hotspur
    Norwich		vs	Barnsley
    Burnley		vs	Derby County
    Nottingham Forest	vs	Wolves
    Woking		vs	Hereford
    Brighton		vs	Crawley
    Ipswich Town	vs	Darlington or Hartlepool United
    Hull City		vs	Chelsea
    Bolton Wanderers	vs	Peterborough or Reading
    Bristol City	vs	Wimbledon
    Preston North End	vs	Sheffield Wednesday
    Oldham		vs	Leyton Orient or W.B.A.
    Swindon		vs	Watford
    Wrexham		vs	Arsenal
    Bristol Rovers	vs	Plymouth
    Coventry City	vs	Cambridge Utd
    Torquay or Farnborough vs	West Ham
    Southampton		vs	Q.P.R.
    Leicester City	vs	Crystal Palace
    Exeter or Swansea	vs	Portsmouth
    Charlton		vs 	Barnet
    Middlesbrough	vs	Manchester City
    Bournemouth		vs	Newcastle United
    Everton		vs	Southend
    Crewe		vs	Liverpool
    Sunderland		vs	Port Vale
    Blackburn Rovers	vs	Kettering Town
    
    Ties to be played on weekend January 4/5.
    From other notes it appears Leeds Utd vs Man Utd is the live game.

	Farnborough 4(2) - Torquay 3(0)

	Torquay made all the early work, and had a couple of chances, then
	Dean Coney (ex Fulham and other big clubs) scored what looked a good
	shot after some scrappy play. Then Simon Read races away for a second,
	and suddenly Torquay, after looking in control, are 2-0 down. Deep joy.
	The gravity of Torquays situation being neatly summed up by a chap stood 
	near us. "They'll need to score 3 to win now", and you know, he'd hit
	the nail right on the head.

	Second half Torquay came out fighting, and it was sand bags and
	barbed wire stuff for the Farnborough boys. The keeper made a couple
	of good saves, then spilt one but the Torquay lads couldnt capitalise.

	Next Simon Read races away down the right and crosses for Doherty 
	unmarked to head home and leave the chaps in a state of euphoria on
	the temporary terrace. A safe position we all thought; surely made
	even safer when, errm, number 4 popped a looping header in to
	seal it. Well not quite. Torquay could have layed down and said 
	"sod this" but no. Lightning war ensued, with crosses raining like
	things that rain in. I quipped "A quick 4 and we're back in it",
	a favourite gag on Sunday mornings, but Torquay meant it and scored 3
	and should have had 4 at least. Farnboroughs sandbags and barbed wire 
	lay in tatters and in the end Torquay  had enough chances to win it.

	However Farnborugh held on, and its now off to Upton Park to get 
	mashed up by the Hammers. If they play like they did in the last 20
	my game plan would be dont bother going. Still a great result.

	Fridge 

    I watched the second half of the Farnbourgh match last night on the
    box, and had a 5 goal treat!!  -  The devon lads scored 3 times in 
    15 minutes,  and almost thier last chance, were clean through, the
    striker hitting it over, when the ball along the ground would have 
    meant extra time....look forward to the Upton Park match...we'll
    stuff 'em!
    
    Tony	must_look_up_west_hams_highest_score_in_FA_cup_!

    Predicted result of Farnborough's FA Cup third round match with West
    Ham:
    BORO 10-0 WEST HAM
    Up the Boro!!!!!

Anyone got the full draw for the 4th round ?

 - Kev

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VNS UK SPORTS REPORT:                             [Ken Merrick, VNS Sports Desk]
=====================                             [Valbonne, France            ]

    4th Round draw: Farnborough or West Ham v Wrexham, Nottm Forest v Woking;
    Chelsea v Everton; Southamptob v Leeds or Man Utd; Bristol Rovers v Crewe
    or Liverpool; Burnley or Derby v Spurs or Aston Villa; Bolton v Brighton;
    Portsmouth v  Leyton Orient or Oldham; Oxford v Sunderland; Charlton v
    Sheffield United; Leicester City v Bristol City or Wimbledon; Notts County
    v Blackburn Rovers; Sheffield Wednesday v Middlesbrough; Norwich v
    Millwall; Coventry or Cambridge United v Swindon; Ipswich or Hartlepool v
    Newcastle or Bournemouth

	re -1
	
	Of course thats 
	Nottm. Forest V Woking or Hereford

	Though I have no doubt it will be Woking.

	Chars,

	F-reg.

    
    Sorry mate - looks like you made another mistakelette.
    
    
    Bring on Cloughie.

Results from This week
Tuesday

West Ham	1	Farnborough	0
Hereford	2	Woking		1
Cambridge	1	Coventry	0
Tottenham	0	Aston Villa	1
Wimbledon	0	Bristol City 	1

Last night:

3rd Round

Leeds Utd 	0	Man Utd 	1

3rd Round Replays

Leyton Orient	4	Oldham Athletic	2	aet (2-2)
(3rd Div)		( 1st Div)

Hartlepool Utd	0	Ipswich Town	2

Updated 4th Round draw:

West Ham v Wrexham;
Nottm Forest v Hereford Utd;
Chelsea v Everton;
Southampton v Man Utd; 
Bristol Rovers v Liverpool;
Burnley or Derby v Aston Villa; 
Bolton v Brighton;
Portsmouth v  Leyton Orient; 
Oxford v Sunderland; 
Charlton v Sheffield United;
Leicester City v Bristol City;
Notts County v Blackburn Rovers;
Sheffield Wednesday v Middlesbrough; 
Norwich v Millwall;
Cambridge United v Swindon;
Ipswich v Newcastle or Bournemouth

    
    	With a maximum of ten 1st Div. teams to possibly progress to the 
    	5th Round, is this the year for a 2nd Div. winner?
    
    	Only two 1st Div. teams are gauranteed a place, with Chelsea v.
    	Everton and Southampton v. Man Utd. Several of the remainder have
    	some tricky ties in prospect..
    
    	ie.	Sheff. Utd @ Chalton
    		Wednesday v. Middlesboro'
    		Norwich v. Millwall
    		Notts County v. Blackburn
    
    	Liverpool and Villa have no easy task either. Probably only Forest
    	and West Ham will fancy themselves to get through without too much
    	trouble.
    
    	This season's FA Cup could well provide a surprise line-up in the
    	final with 5 of the top 10 in the 1st Div. already out..
    
    	Andy.
   

    
>    	With a maximum of ten 1st Div. teams to possibly progress to the 
>    	5th Round, is this the year for a 2nd Div. winner?
    

	Most definitely!  Malcolm Crosby's Red & White Army will become
the first team to win the F.A. Cup twice, as a second division team.

		       Chelsea v Charlton or Sheffield Utd
	            Portsmouth v Sheffield Wednesday or Middlesboro
		       Swindon v Derby or Aston Villa
	   Norwich or Millwall v Notts County or Blackburn
			Bolton v Southampton or Manchester Utd
	  Oxford or Sunderland v West Ham or Wrexham
	     Nottingham Forest v Bristol City
	Ipswich or Bournemouth v Bristol Rovers or Liverpool

    Soton 0 United 0. Boring boring boring! 
    
    	Apart from Le Tissier Southampton could have been one of Bassets or 
    Howes teams. "Get the ball up front as quickly as possible" is the nice
    way of putting it. United weren't much better, but at least carved out
    some chances in the second half. Pallister should really have walked
    for that ridiculous retaliation near the end. Ince was unlucky when he
    hit the post. Ferguson was obviously telling pork pies when he said
    'it's all or nothing tonight.' 
    
    	Sky sport is like a televised version of the Sun! 
    
    	What has Rudocck down to Southampton that has so irritated the fans?
    
    
    		Your 'on the sofa - without a program - but managed to get
    most of the names right' reporter...

    Steve - you watched that live - all the way through!! - you deserve a
    bucket of beer for that.
    
    I watched the 'highlights' - I almost switched it off when they started
    showing backpasses. It was almost as exciting as Everton were on
    Sunday.
    
    Nigel

    
    	Starver of English football as I am Nigel... and I thought it might
    be a good game!
    
    		Steve

    re .31
    
    Isn't he the one that was put on the transfer list because he's been
    sent off twice and had his name taken 403 times this season ?
    
    Not that that would irritate the fans at Millwall, but mebbe they're
    different at So'ton ?
    
    ds.

	Any dates for the 4th round replays yet?


						Dave.

    re.35
    
     No

    This week.
    
    Nigel

The results from last night

Fourth Round

Notts County	2 - 1	Blackburn Rovers
Sheffield Wed	1 - 2	Middlesbrough

4th Round replay

Wrexham		0 - 1	West Ham United

Al

    
    	West Ham have now only needed 4 games to dispose of Farnboro and
    Wrexham! I reckon their names on the cup!!
    
    	Middlesbrough do it again I see! Don't feel to bad about losing
    twice at Ayrsome Park now! I wonder if they'll take the reds in LC
    semi?
    
    		Steve

    
>    	West Ham have now only needed 4 games to dispose of Farnboro and
>    Wrexham! I reckon their names on the cup!!
    
	Not for much longer! We'll wash it off!

       
    Revised Draw :
		       Chelsea v Sheffield Utd
	            Portsmouth v Middlesbrough
		       Swindon v Aston Villa
	   	       Norwich v Notts County
			Bolton v Southampton
	  	    Sunderland v West Ham
	     Nottingham Forest v Bristol City
		       Ipswich v Bristol Rovers or Liverpool
         

    
    Well if Brian Clough is ever going to win the FA Cup this will
    be his best chance. No Leeds, Man Utd, Arsenal, Spurs, Man City,
    Everton, Sheff Wed or Crystal Palace to stop him, 'only' Villa,
    Liverpool (possibly) and Chelsea stand in his path.

 whats the quarter-final draw???

    
    	Liverpool/Ipswich v Aston Villa
    
    	Portsmouth/Middlesboro v Nottm. Forest
    
    	Chelsea v Sunderland/West Ham
    
    	Bolton/Southampton v Norwich
    
    	Andy.

	Liverpool   3	2	Ipswich		(aet)
	Middlesbro  2   4	Portsmouth
	Southampton 3	2	Bolton Wdrs	(aet)
	West Ham    2	3	Sunderland

The updated draw for the QFs


	Liverpool v Aston Villa
    
    	Portsmouth v Nottm. Forest
    
    	Chelsea v Sunderland 
    
    	Southampton v Norwich
 

    Pompey in the last eight - what is going on down at Fratton Park?
    I watched them for 4 years amd the last 64 was always considered
    an achievement.
    
    Anyone got a match report or at least the scorers.
    
    A Portsmouth vs Liverpool final maybe?
    
    Regards,
    
    Andrew.D.Wicks
           

RE: Boro v Pompey

The first half was very even. Boro went ahead ( Can't remember the goal - there
were 21 last night ;-) ) the pompey equalised through a great move between 
Anderton & Clark, with Clark putting the ball away.

Boro retook the lead with the No 9. getting a free header from a corner for his
2nd goal. (What is his name???)

Pompey's second equaliser was superb. Anderton got the ball in the area with his
back to the goal. Controlled it and took the ball to the byline, then whipped in
a low cross which Clark put past the keeper at the near post with Lineker like
accuracy.

The 2nd half wasn't as memorable. Anderton scored directly from a corner, the
ball going through 2 defenders before going in.

Anderton then made it 4 with a blistering low volley from the edge of the area.
Clark could ( and should ) have had 2 more, a 1 on 1 with the keeper went wide,
and a chip hit from 6 yards hit the bar, and he had 1 disallowed.

In summary Pompey looked very good going forward and deserved their win.
Anderton definitely won't be at Fratton park for much longer if he carries 
on the way he is. On last night's performance I'd put up along Giggs & 
Mcbananaman.

Al

	Liverpool   v  Portsmouth
	Sunderland  v  Southampton or Norwich


	As Sunderland and Porstmouth avoided each other in the draw, we
will have the first ever all second division final, if Pompey can beat
Liverpool.

    
    Ay, Dicless. Sunderland ain't there yet matey.
    
    JN. )

    
>    Ay, Dicless. Sunderland ain't there yet matey.
					 ^^^
					 ^^^    

    
    Enjoy your last 9� hours in the cup Bryan.
    
    Gary.

    
    We'll see. I have no doubt as to there ability but this is
    the FA-Cup after all.
    
    I remember the '73 FA-Cup final and more clearly than anything
    Porterfields goal. Whose to say that Sunderland won't do it
    again. See my note in the Chelsea topic.
    
    BTW, you're right, there is a circus in town.
    
    JN. )

    
    	Is the game on Sky tonight? 

    
    yip
    
    And 'highlights' on BBC 1 tonight
    
    Paul

    It's live on Sky Sports, the programme starts at 7.
    
    jb.

    >     And 'highlights' on BBC 1 tonight
    
    		No, but we can get Sun Television! (Sky.) 

   If Liverpool do manage to get to the cup final, what chance would I have of
getting a ticket for the final. If Liverpool do make it, then I would love to
be there.

  Martin 

    
    	re last..
    
    	Unless you are a season-ticket holder at Liverpool (defeaning
    	silence...), then virtually nil.
    
    	Shame, eh?

    	Andy.

    
    Re .51 apologies for the typo
    
    Enjoy your last 9� days in the cup Bryan.
    		       ^^^^
    
    Gary.

    No problem Cunno , ive never had any problems.
    
    How much money have you got.
    
    Nigel

    >>                        -< Ticket chances. >-
    
    I would sincerely hope that you've got no chance, because there's at
    least 35,000 who go to the games regularly and imo ought to be in the
    queue ahead of you.  Unfortunately, a large proportion of those won't
    get tickets.  However, the bottom line is if you don't mind spending
    the cash you'll get one from the touts no problem.  
    
    Mike M  

    
    	re .62..
    
    	Exactly, Mike..that was the intent of my note .59..
    
    	(Un)fortunately, with enough money you can probably get hold
    	of one from one of the touts (may the fleas of a thousand camels
    	etc...)
    
    	Andy.
    

    
    Three other methods for getting tickets;
    
    i  -  Book a 'cup final weekend holiday' - loads of foreign holiday
    companies do them nowadays.
    
    ii -  Be a 'prominent member' of some obscure football association -
    they normally get at least one ticket per League.
    
    iii - Make friends with that well known ticket 'distributor' - Bobby
    Charlton.....
    
    But seriously, the cup final ticket allocation has always been a joke -
    the clubs only used to get 25,000 tickets each when Wembley held
    100,000 - I hate to think what it would be now. The majority of tickets
    go to organisations affiliated to the FA.
    
    Paul 
                                 

   Re .59 to .64,
                 ........and I thought the notes conference was supposed to
be helpful. God be with the helpful days of Chris Swiffen.

      Martin

    
    	..pleasure, me ol' mucker...think nothing of it...
    
    	cue Mr.Hawley sound effects 8-)

    Andy,
    
    ?!?!?!?
    
    Ian.
    

The F.A. have fined Spurs �2,500 with regards the way they handled ticket 
allocation at last years cup final.

On the same note Gordon Banks has been banned for 7 years from getting any F.A.
Cup Final tickets due to his dealings on the black market.

	Al

Anybody got last night's replay results.

Thanks

    Sunderland 2 Chelsea 1
    
    Norwich 2 Southampton 1    AET
    
    	      Le tiss and someone else sent off.
    	      Southampton now have 60 odd bookings for the season.
    
    Semi finals
    
    Liverpool v Portsmouth (i think) at Highbury 12:30 kick off (that'll
    please the kopites)
    
    Sunderland v Norwich at Hillsborough 3:00ish kick off.
    
    Nige

    
    	fwiw...the other Southampton player to be sent off was Barry Horne
    	for retaliation. Le Tissue seemed to be dismissed for whacking
    	Robert Fleck. At the time Saints were still one-up in normal time..
    
    	What *were* they thinking about?!
                   
    	Andy.

    F A cup semi final replay
    
    Liverpool    0-0    Portsmouth  AET
    
                             
    Liverpool win on penalties.

    Congratulations to Portsmouth for keepeing Liverpool out for yet
    another 90 minutes....
    
    They certainly didnt deserve to exit the cup in the way that did...
    
    I don't like the idea of penalty shoot outs at the best of times
    (thinks back to when the Mancs went out to Southampton and cringes)but
    I suppose the replays can not continue...
    
    I think that it was all to much at the end for the Pompey lads and
    their nerve went...
    
    An excellent penalty by Saunders but as for Rush, he was lucky it went
    in at all..
    
    So Liverpool through to the final against Sunderland on may 9th..
    
    I dont think I have to say who is going to win at wembley.. its pretty
    obvious really..
    
    
    ** SUNDERLAND!!!!!!***
    
    NIGEL

    re -1
    
    Rush's penalty was quality.  When you put them in the right side of the
    side netting it doesn't matter how hard you hit them.
    
    		Brian.

    Brian,
        I think the noter in .74 is referring not to the quality of Rushes
    penalty but to the way it made its way into the net due to the
    appalling state of the pitch. He did not hit it well and could have
    bounced anywhere on that pudding. I for one noticed two players
    slipping during their run ups. 
    
    I think had you polled all footy fans as to where they believed the
    replay should have been held 99% would not have said Villa Park due to
    its present condition.
    
    Only the F.A. could have made such an idiotic decision, and one which
    is all to indicative of their crass stupidity.
    
    Do we really want this bunch of W*"#$!S running our national sport. If
    they were in Govt they would not have lasted 6 months.
    
    Turf em out. Get some YOUNG blood in. Get some smiling faces some
    activity and less snoring at their meetings.
    
    Does anyone know what qualifications you require to get onto the FA
    council. Genuine answers only I'm curious.
    
    
    Regards,
    
    
    Barry.

	re .76

>    Do we really want this bunch of W*"#$!S running our national sport. If
>    they were in Govt they would not have lasted 6 months.

	How long was Colin Moynihan Minister of Sport?

	Tony

    
    	Tony,
    
    	Shouldn't that question be:
    
    	How long was Colin Moynihan Miniature of Sport? 8-) 8-)
    
    	Sarcastic *******.

    Re. 77.
    
    How long was Colin Moynihan Minister for Sport?
    
    A. Too long.
    
    Regards,
    
    
    Barry.
    

    re -1 : -< I still say get rid of em. >-
    
            Indeed they have - there is no minister for sport in the new
            goverment.

    We could lend you ministers. A whole bunch just got the package in
    France.

    Anyone know if the FA cup or the SFA cup finals are to be broadcast on
    SKY ?
    
    	- Robin

    Big rumours going round that Coca Cola are to become the first sponsers
    of the FA Cup.
    
    Details to be announced tomorrow.
    
    Nigel

    
    It's also rumoured that they will sponsor the league cup and the SKY TV
    coverage of the 'Premier' league as well.
    
    They're obviously getting geared up for World Cup 94.
    
    DavidS.
    

    
    Latest rumour is that they (Coca-Cola) are after the Rumbelows and not
    the FA cup.
    
    Tim

    Does anyone know when the draw for the next round of the cup is ?
    If it has happened today could anyone list some of the highlights.
    thanks
    
    Steve.

Taken from VNS...

        FA Cup, 1st Round
        Accrington Stanley .... 3  Gateshead ........ 2
        Blackpool ............. 1  Rochdale ......... 1
        Blyth Spartans ........ 1  Southport ........ 2
        Bolton Wanderers ...... 2  Sutton Coldfield . 1
        AFC Bournemouth ....... 0  Barnet ........... 0
        Bradford City ......... 1  Preston North End  1
        Brighton & Hove Albion  2  Hayes ............ 0
        Burnley ............... 2  Scarborough ...... 1
        Bury .................. 2  Witton ........... 0
        Cardiff City .......... 2  Bath City ........ 3
        Chester ............... 1  Altrincham ....... 1
        Colchester United ..... 4  Slough ........... 0
        Crewe Alexandra ....... 6  Wrexham .......... 1
        Dagenham .............. 4  Leyton Orient .... 5
        Darlington ............ 1  Hull City ........ 2
        Doncaster United ...... 1  Hartlepool ....... 2
        Dorking ............... 2  Plymouth Argyle .. 3
        Exeter City ........... 1  Kidderminster .... 0
        Gillingham ............ 3  Kettering ........ 2
        Kingstonian ........... 1  Peterborough Utd . 1
        Lincoln City .......... 0  Stafford Rangers . 0
        Macclesfield .......... 0  Chesterfield ..... 0
        Marine ................ 4  Halifax Town ..... 1
        Marlow ................ 3  Salsibury ........ 3
        Northampton Town ...... 3  Fulham ........... 1
        Reading ............... 1  Birmingham City .. 0
        Rotherham United ...... 4  Walsall .......... 0
        Scunthorpe ............ 0  Huddersfield ..... 0
        Shrewsbury Town ....... 3  Mansfield ........ 1
        Solihull .............. 2  VS Rugby ......... 2
        St Albans ............. 1  Cheltenham Town .. 2
        Sutton United ......... 1  Hereford United .. 2
        Torquay United ........ 2  Yeovil Town ...... 5
        West Bromwich Albion .. 8  Aylesbury ........ 0
        Wigan Athletic ........ 3  Carlisle United .. 1
        Woking Town ........... 3  Nuneaton ......... 2
        Wycombe Wanderers ..... 3  Merthyr .......... 1
        York City ............. 1  Stockport County . 3
 

    The draw was today at noon.  The only 2 I know are Wycombe v WBA and
    Brighton v Woking.  I don't know whos at home in either.
    
    		Brian.

    
    
    READING V ORIENT
    
     This is gonig to be live on Sky. It will be on saturday the 5th
     of december at 7.15
    
      Andy...B
    

    Bradford City/Perston NE	v   Scunthorpe/Huddersfield
    Accrington Stanley		v   Crewe Alexandra
    Wigan Athletic		v   Bury
    Bolton Wanderers		v   Blackpool/Rochdale
    Chester/Altringham		v   Stoke City/Port Vale
    Macclesfield/Chesterfield	v   Stockport County
    Burnley			v   Shrewsbury Town
    Rotherham Utd		v   Hull City
    Marine			v   Lincoln City/Stafford Rangers
    Hartlepool Utd		v   Southport
    Wycombe Wanderers		v   West Bromwich Albion
    Exeter City			v   Swansea City
    Plymouth Argyle		v   Kingstonian/Peterborough Utd
    Bath			v   Northampton Town
    Brighton & Hove Albion	v   Woking
    Solihull/VS Rugby		v   Marlow/Salisbury
    Yeovil Town			v   Hereford Utd
    Gillingham			v   Colchester Utd
    Cheltenham Town		v   AFC Bournemouth/Barnet
    Reading			v   Leyton Orient

All ties to be played on the weekend 5th/6th December

Al

    RE:-2
    
    According to the Sun (someone elses, honest!) The live game is going to
    be Wycombe v West Brom, not Reading again.  
    After Sunday's treat I would have thought they put UR's on every
    week !
    
    Andy.

    Reading is live on Saturday December 5th, kick off 7.15pm
    
    Wycombe is live on Sunday December 5th, kick off 1.30pm

    
    I got my info about Reading being live on Sky from my brother
    who works at the club..
    
    

    Re .90,
    
    Apart from the usual giant killers - Wycombe, yeovil etc I notice
    that Accrington Stanley are there. Anyone with a Rothmans handbook
    or similar handy know the last time they got this far since they
    went out of the league? 
    
    Regards,
    
    Andrew.D.Wicks

Andrew,

I seem to remember reading in Monday's paper that it's 30 years since they 
got this far in the Cup.

Jon

    Jon,
    
    Thanks - I was fairly sure that it was before you or I were born but
    I had hoped that GASH would remember!!!
    
    regards,
    
    Andrew.D.wicks

Well, Andy, of course I remember taking me rattle and rosette along to that
one, but I'm still upset over Gateshead being turfed out, so I couldn't bring
myself to comment on that mob from the wrong side of the Pennines. 

g

Peterborough & Kingstonian have been told to play their 1st round replay again.

This is because during the first replay, a "Fan" threw a coin at the K's
goalkeeper, when the score was 3-0, causing him to have to leave the field.

Peterborough went on to win 9-1.

The FA ruled that the injury to the keeper changed the outcome of the game and 
ordered the game to be replayed.
Chris Kelly, the K's manager, thought that the result should have stood, as Posh
were already in control of the game at the time of the incident, and he could 
have trouble getting a squad, as some players aren't sure if they can get the
extra time off work.

The game is to be played behind closed doors on friday at 2pm

Al

Today's result:

	Peterborough 1 Kingstonian 0

g

    
    Has anyone the full draw for F.A cup  ???????????/
    
    
    If so could you post it here please ..........
    
    
    
    
    cheers
    
    
    Liam
    
    

As requested:

I think it's up to date, I'm not sure if there were any games during the week
apart from Plymouth/Peterborough.

Al


Notts Forest		v	Southampton
Brentford		v	Grimsby
Man Utd			v	Wigan/Bury
Southend		v	Millwall
Middlesbrough		v	Chelsea
Crewe			v	Marine
Wycombe/West Brom	v	West Ham
Exeter/Swansea		v	Oxford
Hartlepool		v	Crystal Palace
Gillingham/Colchester	v	Huddersfield
Sheff Utd		v	Burnley/Shrewsbury
Aston Villa		v	Bristol Rovers
Cambridge		v	Sheff Wed.
Bath/Northampton	v	Rotherham
Derby			v	Stockport
QPR			v	Swindon
Leeds			v	Charlton
Leicester		v	Barnlsey
Watford			v	Wolves
Yeovil/Hereford		v	Arsenal
Luton			v	Bristol City
Norwich			v	Coventry
Oldham			v	Tranmere
Newcastle		v	Port Vale
Wimbledon		v	Everton
Man City		v	Reading
Brighton/Woking		v	Portsmouth
Blackburn		v	Bournemouth
Ipswich			v	Plymouth
Notts county		v	Sunderland
Bolton			v	Liverpool
VS Rugby/Marlow		v	Tottenham

    Since I didn't see it posted here's the 4th round draw.
    (the replays/rearranged games are all tues or weds next week I think)
    
    Notts Forest       		v	Middlesborough or Chelsea
    Man Utd or Bury    		v	Brighton
    Leicester or Barnsley	v	West Ham
    Cambridge or Sheff Wed 	v	Notts County or Sunderland
    QPR or Swindon		v	Man City or Reading
    Sheff Utd or Burnley	v	Hartlepool
    Norwich or Coventy		v	Tott Hotspur
    Northampton or Rotherham	v	Newcastle
    Arse			v	Leeds or Charlton
    Luton or bristol City	v	Derby
    Oldham or Tranmere		v	Ipswich or Plymouth
    Crewe or Marine		v	Blackburn
    Swansea or Oxford 		v	Grimsby
    aston Villa or Bristol Rvrs v	Wombles or Everton
    Gillingham or Huddersfield	v	Southend or Millwall
    Wolves			v	Bolton or LIVERPOOL
    
    Matches to be played Jan 23/24/25	

Re. 102

Andrew,

In case you haven't heard...
It will be Man Utd v Brighton also known as Seaweads on the 23rd of Jan.

United won 2-0 on Tuesday night against Bury.




Tony

    Since I don't get midweek U.K newspapers and I couldn't pick up World
    Service last night (since I was in a bar) could some nice person
    please modify my version of the 4th round draw from .102 to reflect
    the updated draw after Tues/Wed games since I only know the two Manc
    results, Norwich and Liverpool and the results service in VNS doesn't
    seem to be happening this week.
    
    regards,
    
    Andrew.D.Wicks

    Notts Forest       		v	Middlesborough
    Man Utd     		v	Brighton
    Leicester or Barnsley	v	West Ham
    Sheff Wed 	                v	Sunderland
    QPR         		v	Man City
    Sheff Utd           	v	Hartlepool
    Norwich             	v	Tott Hotspur
    Northampton or Rotherham	v	Newcastle
    Arse			v	Leeds
    Luton or bristol City	v	Derby
    Tranmere	        	v	Ipswich
    Crewe       		v	Blackburn
    Swansea      		v	Grimsby
    aston Villa or Bristol Rvrs v	Wombles
    Gillingham or Huddersfield	v	Southend or Millwall
    Wolves			v	Bolton

The villa game hasnt been played.
And as for the other or's i'm not too sure...

Can anybody else complete the picture for our distant friend??

Mick

    
    	Rotherham beat Northampton
    	Southend beat Millwall
    	Gillingham and Huddersfield played, I think Gillingham won.
    
    	Leicester and Barnsley drew, so they need a replay.
    
    	Andy.

    Wot about our favourite 'hated' team LutoN?

Spurs 		v 	Villa/Wimbledon
Man City 	v 	Barnsley
Blackburn 	v 	Newcastle/Rotherham
Sheff Wed 	v 	Southend
Sheff Utd 	v 	Man Utd
Derby 		v 	Bolton
Arsenal/Leeds 	v 	Forest/Middlesbrough
Ipswich 	v 	Swansea/Grimsby

Ties to be played Feb. 13/14/15th

Leeds		2  Aresenal  	3   ...extra time

Middlesbrough	0  Forest  	3

Wimbledon  	0  Villa  	0   ...Wimbledon win 6-5 on penalties

Missed one


Newcastle 2 - 0 Rotherham

    Wot about WALES's only remaining team?

    
    What a kick in the teeth for REAL football, when a team such as Aston
    Villa lose out to mediocrities like the Wombles !
    
    

Re -1. Too True. Did you see the Wimbledon owner on TV the other day (Sam
Hassam?). He reckoned that "everyone" in the game loved Wimbledon for what
they had achieved as a liitle minnow up against the big fish, and indeed they
were an inspiration to every small businessman in the country (cough splutter
pass the sick bag). My only question to him is : if a team makes no pretence
or desire to play anything like attractive football, and indeed nobody wants
to watch them whther they do or not, and you're losing 100,000 pounds a day
trying - then.... WHY BOTHER!??!!

Bob

    
    This was not influenced by a certain penalty shoot out last week was
    it?
    
    Gary.

    I don't like Wimbledon as much as the next man, but I just wish that
    everyone would leave them alone because they are "one of the smaller
    clubs".  
    
    Wimbledon have acheived their success by playing the long ball game and
    though not very attractive, no one can deny them there place in the
    Premier or the FA Cup 5th Round.  
    
    According to all reports of the Villa game they deserved to win and
    Villa were lucky to even get to penalties.
    
    I think the message their chairman was trying to get accross the other
    night was that they are a small club who have sell players just to stay in
    business!!!  That couldn't and wouldn't happen in countries like Italy
    and Spain.   
    
    Liverpool and Manchester United supporters can't even manage to understand 
    what that must mean and I also think that Gary Lineker's comments the
    other day on Match of the Day were a little bit out of order.
    
    I just look forward to Wimbledon beating Tottenham on Sunday.  
    
    
    Gary                                              
       
    
      
    
    

      Wimbledon are always looked down on for not playing attractive football
but there are other teams like Man. Utd. who don't exactlty set the place
alight either. Wimbledon are not on their own and too many people are 
criticising them at the moment. They have won as many leagues as some of the
other big teams over the last 25 or 26 years.

  They can't be all bad players when other clubs have spent approx. 12 million
pounds on Wimbledon players over the last few years. Man City spent 5 million
on Curle and Phelan, Wise & Beasant for 1  million each, etc. They also have
players on the fringe of English squads (if that means anything) like 
Robbie Earle & Warren Barton who will also go for big sums.

    
    Wimbledon are crap, the sooner they are relegated from the Premier
    division the better, lets hope they take Southampton and Sheff Utd
    with them...These type of teams do nothing for the quality of the 
    premier division......So don't deserve the respect IMO......
    
    
    Neil..

RE. 117

>    Wimbledon are crap, the sooner they are relegated from the Premier
>    division the better, lets hope they take Southampton and Sheff Utd
>    with them...These type of teams do nothing for the quality of the 
>    premier division......So don't deserve the respect IMO......
    
    
>    Neil..


Nahh..It should be Wimbledon, Scouse g**s, and Sheep S****s..


Tony

    
    	re .117...
    
    	Oh, come on, Neil....get off the fence.....say what you *really*
    	feel   8-) 8-)
    
    	Sheesh....
    
    	Andy.

    Re 117
    
    I don't agree.  After all, anyone who beats Villa deserves a pat on the
    back.         
    
    
    Barry

   After watching the Chelsea v  Sheff Wed last week, it's hard to believe that
Wimbledons football could be more boring than that crap.... Maybe all the teams
are playing crap at the moment, and we all think its great because the
so called commentators (turnips) keeping telling us what an exciting game it
is, was, or will be......

                                                                    -dave-

p.s I've seen approx 6-7 games live this season on SKY, and they were nearly all
     rubbish, including Liverpools win over QPR at Loftus rd... The only good
    thing about that game was that we picked up 3 points......

	For the Welshman:

		Grimsby 2 Swansea 0

(just as well he's a Cardiff supporter!)

g

    GASH,
    
    Thanks! now Cardiff can concentrate on promotion to the 3rd (the real
    3rd) and prove to Swansea next season who the best football team in
    Wales is (and no I don't mean Inter Cardiff!).
    
    regards,
    
    Andrew.D.Wicks

Arsenal		2 - 0	Notts Forest
Blackburn Rvrs	1 - 0	Newcastle Utd.
Derby County	3 - 1	Bolton Wanderers
Ipswich Town	4 - 0	Grimsby Town
Man. City	2 - 0	Barnsley
Sheffield Wed	2 - 0	Southend Utd
Sheffield Utd	2 - 1	Man. Utd
Tottenham	3 - 2	Wimbledon

2 questions arise.

1) When was the last time that all the home teams won in the 5th round?

2) When was the last time that all 5th round games were decided in the first
match?

P.S.

6th Round draw (Quarter Final)

	Derby County	 v	Sheffield Wednesday
	Manchester City	 v	Tottenham Hotspur
	Ipswich Town	 v	Arsenal
	Blackburn Rovers v	Sheffield United

	Ties to be played 6th/7th/8th March

Al

>1) When was the last time that all the home teams won in the 5th round?

In 1889-90, according to the Independent.

re -1

I don't think the 5th round of 1889-90 was quite the same as Saturdays fifth 
round! In those days the fifth round didn't contain 8 matches, did it?

                           James.

James,

The round refered to in the paper was the "last-16 round" - it does not say 
whether it was the 5th round or not. I suspect not.

    
    The 5th round has been 8 matches for as long as I can remember, (and
    that's a looooong time).
    
    
    N.

    Re. 124,
    
    Just noticed that's it's entirely possible that the semi-finals of the
    F.A Cup could include 3 of the 4 coke cup semi-finalists.
    
    Regards,
    
    Andrew.D.Wicks

    re: -2
    
    Your memory probably does not go back to before the expansion of the
    League to the 3rd division in 1921 (?).  Before that, the current third
    round was the 1st, and the current 5th round was the 3rd (incidentally,
    the 5th round then would have been the semi-finals, so the question posed 
    earlier has no basis).
            
    Yrs,
    the ancien regime

    For non-Brits who may not have heard the semi-final draw:
    
    Sheffield Utd or Blackburn v. Sheffield Wednesday
    Arsenal v. Tottenham
    
    Matches on Sun 4th April.

    Anyone know the scores at the weekend?
    
    M.
    

    
    Ipswich 	2-4 	Arsenal
    Blakcburn   0-0	Sheff Utd
    Man City	2-4	Tottenham
    
    Paul

    I presume the North London bi-annual Cup final will be staged
    at Wembley again? I did'nt go to the last one (thankfully) and
    can't remember how the ticket allocation worked at Highbury. 
    If I remember rightly, Spurts worked some sort of registration 
    scheme which involved having to attend a series of League matches 
    in order to qualify for a ticket. 
    
    If Arsenal follow suit this time around, I may well be consigned to 
    the armchair/pub with large amounts of the devil's buttermilk to 
    celebrate with (the alternative is clearly unthinkable). Three 
    visits to Wembley in the space of 6 weeks. Arrogant, moi?
    
    barry.  

A quick clarification on the semi-final draw

Derby Co. are still in the cup (maybe not for long) playing tonite 



Sheff Wed/ Sheff Utd   v  Derby/Blackburn

Arsenal                v  Spurs

re .131

    Sheffield Utd or Blackburn v. Sheffield Wednesday
				  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

A confident prediction, as this game doesn't kick off for another 7 hours or so.

Should read

	Sheffield Utd or Blackburn v. Sheffield Wednesday or Derby County

    Actually, it should read:
     
          Blackburn or Sheff.Utd    vs.    Derby or Sheff.Wed.
    
    I think the convention is that you always put first the home team from
    the previous round.
    
    Plenty more worthless info where that came from.
    

Barry,
	Talking of the ticket allocation, I wonder if the Arsenal Management
Will use their own registration scheme as a basis for the cup game, ie the people
in the scheme would have preference over the general public.

Of course I being one of those privelged few!! 8^)



Mick

    Is the FA cup match between Sheffield Wed. and Derby Co. on T.V
    tonight?
    If so, what channel and at what time?

                      <<< Note 80.139 by SUBURB::SWAINM >>>
                               -< WHAT TIME ?? >-

>    Is the FA cup match between Sheffield Wed. and Derby Co. on T.V
>    tonight?
>    If so, what channel and at what time?


Highlight BBC 1 22:55 ( 23:25 in Scotland, 23:45 in Northern Ireland  and
by the look of it - not  showing in Wales ).

Stuart

    
    	Is it also live on SKY?
    
    	You can be sure it'll be on Radio 5 though...tune in, it should be
    	a good match. 909/693 MW
    
    	Andy.
    
    
             

Yes its on SKY

Semi Finals	4th April

The Arsenal v Tottenham Semi will be held at Wembley K.O 12 Noon

The other will be held at Elland Road, Leeds if it is all Sheffield, otherwise
it will be at Old Trafford, K.O. 3pm

Al

Can anyone tell me the result of last nights quarter final as it didn't make it
into this mornings Swiss papers.

   Thanks,  Ray

    
    Derby 	3-3	Sheff Wed
    Woods (OG)		Sheridan (pen)
    Gabbiadini		Warhurst (2)
    Kitson		
    
    Wednesday led twice, then Derby led 3-2 with five minutes to go.
    
    Paul

Paul,

If I'd just cracked a shot from 30-35 yards with a rake of bend and slice 
etc.etc. on it, I would be as sick as a parrot (ha ha!) to see it attributed 
as a Woods O.G. There is no justice.

�    Derby 	3-3	Sheff Wed
��    Woods (OG)		Sheridan (pen)
�    Gabbiadini		Warhurst (2)
�    Kitson		

Ian. 

    Ian,
    
    I presume it will be credited to the bloke who hit the shot, but I
    couldn't remember his name so I put Woods down....... 
    
    Paul

    
    Technically, it was an own goal. The ball hit the crossbar and bounced
    away from the goal line. Only the ball hitting Woods' leg caused the
    goal. Good shot though.
    
    I remember a few years ago, John Fashanu hit a shot against the crossbar, 
    the ball rebounded off the Newcastle (Martin Thomas) keeper's head and 
    went in. That was credited as an own goal too.
    
    Tim

    re .128
    
    Useless information:
    According to my Geoffrey Green bible, the 5th round was the last 16 for
    the first time in 1925.  
    
    Even more useless information:  
    Manchester City celebrated (5th round/1925) by beating Palace 11-4, but 
    the record books prefer to show a subsequent 10-1 v. Swindon as their 
    record cup win.
    
    Back to sleep...
    ds.
    
    ds.

    OK then ...
    
    When was the last time 2 London teams both won away from home in a
    Quarter-Final by the score of 4-2 and both Sheffield teams drew?
    
    Future trivia question - remember you heard it here first!
    
    Regards,
    
    Andrew.D.Wicks

         
    For anyone that is interested, tickets are only available from
    the Arsenal and Tottenham box offices. No tickets are being supplied 
    by Wembley.
    
    Regs.
    
    

    
    More on the tickets - 
    
    apparently Arsenal will not entertain any non season ticket holders 
    or non club members untill after the 20th March when what is left will go
    on general sale.
    
    Depending on the allocation to season holders and club members there
    should be as few left over.
    
    Regs.
    
    GaryW.

Is this the same as being a member of their ticket registration scheme or
is it a totally different thing altogether??

Thanks

	Mick

    
    Mick - to be honest the answer phone said club members !!.
    I should hope that if anyone was a member of the registration scheme
    which gave the club some revenue (?) then they too should be able to
    claim their tickets.
    
    I think its pretty poor though that one game supporters like me are 
    not able to get a ticket untill after the 20th  :-)
    
    Oh well I'll just have to hope and prey that Woking reach the finals 
    very soon.
    
    
    GaryW

    Is the Sheffield semi on telly tomorrow?
    
    If so which channel & at waht time?
    
    Thankks in advance.

    
    
    Its on SKY, but I dont know what time!!
    
    Al.

    Coverage starts at about 11.00 but kick-off is 1.00Pm.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    gary

Swindon 	v Ipswich
Oxford 		v Tranmere
Preston 	v Bournemouth / Nuneaton Borough
Luton 		v Southend
Stockport 	v Q.P.R.
West Ham 	v Watford
Cardiff 	v Middlesborough, 
Wycombe 	v Norwich
Bromsgrove 	v Barnsley
Wolves 		v Crystal Palace
Sheffield Wed 	v Nottm Forest
Millwall 	v Arsenal
Newcastle 	v Coventry
Charlton 	v Burnley
Stoke 		v Bath
Bolton 		v Everton
Plymouth 	v Chester
Wimbledon 	v Walsall / Scunthorpe
Grimsby 	v Wigan
Barnet 		v Chelsea, 
Bristol City 	v Liverpool
Birmingham 	v Kidderminster Harriers
L. Orient / 
Exeter City 	v Aston Villa
Man. City 	v Leicester
Sheff. Utd 	v Manchester United
Southampton 	v Port Vale
Leeds 		v Crewe
Notts County 	v Sutton United
Oldham 		v Derby
Blackburn 	v Portsmouth
Sunderland 	v Carlisle
Peterborough	v Tottenham.

  The matches are played on January 8th/9th.

    
    Would someone care to post the results from the last round please, when
    is the draw for the next?
    
    Ian - Exciled in France and getting no news.

Some results from the weekend were:
Cardiff 1 Man City 0
Kidderminster 1 Preston 0
Norwich 0 Man Utd 2
Notts Co 1 West Ham 1
Bolton 2 Arsenal 2
Stockport v Bristol City - Postponed
Chelsea 1 Sheff Wed 1
Ipswich 3 Spurs 0
Oxford 2 Leeds 2
Charlton 0 Blackburn 0
Oldham 0 Stoke 0
Grimsby 1 Aston Villa 2
Wimbledon 2 Sunderland 1
Newcastle 1 Luton 1

And some of the draw which was made on Sunday:
Arsenal/Bolton v Aston Villa
Kidderminster v West Ham/Notts Co
Cardiff v Luton/Newcastle
Wimbledon v Man Utd

I can't remember any more!!

Chris.

The full FA Cup draw is:

Bolton or Arsenal		v Aston Villa
Kidderminster			v Notts County or West Ham
Cardiff				v Newcastle or Luton
Oldham or Stoke			v Plymouth or Barnsley
Oxford or Leeds			v Chelsea or Sheffield Wednesday
Stockport or Bristol City	v Charlton or Blackburn
Wimbledon			v Manchester United
Wolves				v Ipswich

    Does anyone know if the Beeb or SKY are covering one of the replays
    live this Wednesday. If so, which match is it?
    
    Paul.

    Sky has Luton vs Newcastle.... 
    
    I wish it could have been Arsenal vs Bolton... :-)
                                                 
    Rick.

    
    A night of shocks in the F.A Cup.....
    
    Luton      2   Newcastle     0
    Stockport  0   Bristol City  4
    Stoke      0   Oldham        1
    Barnsley   1   Plymouth      0
    Sheff Wed  1   Chelsea       3  (after extra time)
    West Ham   1   Notts County  0  (after extra time)
    Arsenal    1   Bolton        3  (after extra time)
    Leeds Utd  2   Oxford        3  (after extra time)
    
    Only 7 Premier sides now left in (I think). What price Man Utd for the 
    treble now ?
    
    Del.         

>>  What price Man Utd for the 
>>  treble now ?

4-1 according to Des on Sportsnight last night.

    Before the end of the next round I'll bet it will be evens.. :-(
    
    rick

Has anyone got the updated 5th round draw please. 

Cheers.

Bolton		v Aston Villa
Kidderminster	v West Ham
Cardiff		v Luton
Oldham		v Barnsley
Oxford		v Chelsea
Bristol City	v Charlton
Wimbledon	v Manchester United
Wolves		v Ipswich

    
    Saturday the 19th Feb...
    

	I seem to remember reading in the papers that the FA are seriously
	thinking of moving the Cup final and England home matches away
	from Wembley.

	Which got me musing that this could be the last year that the cup 
	final is played at Wembley and the likely participants are the
	two that fought out the first Wembley cup final. Hopefully, it
	will be 2-0 to West Ham this time.


	Phil.

    Unfortunately Wembly Stadium PLC will sue the FA over breach of
    contract for somewhere to the tune of �50 million. The contract is due
    to end in the year 2002, so that gives the FA 8 years to build a new
    footballing superstadium, where they may as well base their
    headquarters. Somewhere in the midlands would be best, as it allows
    people in the north an easier chance to see the national team and cup
    finals.
    
    Rich.

Bolton		1 - 0 Aston Villa
Kidderminster	0 - 1 West Ham
Cardiff		1 - 2 Luton
Oldham		1 - 0 Barnsley
Oxford		1 - 2 Chelsea
Bristol City	1 - 1 Charlton
Wimbledon	0 - 3 Manchester United
Wolves		1 - 1 Ipswich

� final Draw:

West Ham v Luton
Bolton   v Oldham
Man Utd  v Bristol City/Charlton
Chelsea  v Wolves/Ipswich

I think!!

    anyone got a full set of results please... i know the s-f draw but not
    how they got there.
    
    regards,
    
    Andrew.D.Wicks

    Man U 3 (Hughes, kanchelskis 2)
    Charlton 1 (Leaburn)
    
    Bolton 0
    Oldham 1 (Beckford)
    
    Chelsea 1 (Peacock)
    Wolves 0
    
    
    DRAW:
    
    Oldham vs Man Utd
    Chelsea vs West Ham/Luton
    
    To be played April 10th
    
    Paul

	West Ham 0 Luton 0

	Replay Wednesday 23rd March

    sorry if this has been posted already....
    
Here's the FA-cup 3.round-draw (Premier/1.Div-sides):

Aylesbury - Queens Park Rangers
Preston/Walsall - Leeds
Everton - Derby
Wycombe - West Ham
Millwall - Arsenal
Barnsley - Aston Villa
Chelsea - Charlton
Crystal Palace - Lincoln
Sheffield United - Manchester United
Coventry - West Bromwich
Leicester - Enfield/Torquay
Gillingham/Fulham - Sheffield Wednesday
Birmingham/Scunthorpe - Liverpool
Newcastle - Blackburn
Tottenham - Altrincham
Wrexham - Ipswich
Nottingham Forest - Plymouth
Notts County - Manchester City
Grimsby - Norwich
Southampton - Southend
Wimbledon - Colchester
Scarborough - Watford
Halifax/Mansfield - Wolverhampton
Swindon - Marlow
Sunderland - Carlisle
Reading - Oldham
Portsmouth - Bolton
Bury - Tranmere
Bristol City - Stoke
Luton - Bristol Rovers
Cambridge - Burnley

Matches to be played between january 7-9.

    
    Can any of our Sassanach friends answer the following questions ?
    
    Name the teams & score in the 1980 & 1993 FA Cup finals
    In Scotland it was Celtic 1 Rangers 0, and Rangers 0 Dundee United 1,
    but no-one seems to be able to remember the English results in these
    particular years.
    
     

    
    1993 teams & score, courtesy of Archie Bruce.......
    
    Sheffield Wednesday......1
    Arsenal..................2
    
    

    
    RE:1980
    
    West Ham beat somebody 1:0....I think????
    
    Trev "interesting" Brooking scored, if I'm not mistaken..
    
    

    West Ham beat Arsenal 1-0 in 1980

    
    Arsenal......of course it's all coming flooding back..
    
    It was Arsenal's third consecutive final having won 3-2 against Man U
    the previous year and being beaten 1-0 by Ipswich the year before that.
    
    It was West Ham's third cup triumph having beat Fulham 2-0 in the 1975
    final and Preston 3-2 in the 1964 final. However the Hammers have also 
    tasted defeat in the cup against Bolton in 1923....The 1964 final was
    said to have been the best cup final since Old Carthusians beat Old
    Etonians 3-0 in the 1880 game.. By coinsidence the scoreline was also
    the the same as the 1896 game when Aston Villa beat Everton by a 3-2
    scoreline...
    
    Martin... 

    Martin,
    
          Are you sure it was 1978 that Ipswich were in the final,I thought 
    it was early eighties,although I may be wrong .
    
    

    
    Martin,
    
    Have you goata Wee Rid book in besides Rab's stash of pens at MRC5 ???
    
    

    
    John,
    
    Did you know that Morton's highest ever crowd was 23,474 for a Scottish
    cup tie against Celtic in season 1923-24...
    
    Martin.....
    
    p.s. Rab's shifted his stash......

    
    Re:last few
    
    Sal,it was 1978 that Ipswich won the FA Cup.
    
    JJ,
    Martin's wee rid book cannae be up to much as the score,(and teams),of
    the 1993 Scottish Cup Final are both wrong.
    The score,(and teams),of the 1993 Final was actually
    
    RANGERS 2  SHEEP FORNICATORS 1
    
    And thus completing yet another TREBLE for the Glorious Glasgow
    Rangers.

    
   << And thus completing yet another TREBLE for the Glorious Glasgow
      Rangers>>
    
      Brilliant Iain, exactly like Archie McPherson !!
    
    

    
    JJ,
    I'd have thought you would have realised by now that it is actually
    i what writes the great ones scripts!
    
    BTW,while we are on the subject.Are you still writing Jock Broon's ?

    
     Prediction For the F.A.Cup Final on Sat. 20th May 1995,
     between Everton and Man Utd...........
    
    
         EVERTON 2 V MAN UTD. 1
    
     A small wager is going on this correct score(maybe) with Paul Rideout
     scoring the first goal.
    
    

    
    Not bad.
    
    You didn't say when Rideout would score the first (and only) goal. ;-)
    I hope you bet on the result and not the score.

    Sixth round draw
    
    Sheffield Wednesday v Wimbledon
    
    Portsmouth v Leicester City or Chelsea
    
    Derby County or Coventry City v Middlesbrough
    
    Chesterfield v Wrexham
    
    The most intruiging thing has to be the last game, a Div 2 side in
    round 7!!! The only other non premiership side is little old
    Portsmouth, hurrah!
    
    Alen.