Conference trucks::football;1

    
    After much demand this is the St. Pauli topic.
    
    They're also my favourite German side and I hope some day to get to the
    Millerntor to see them play.
    
    Gary.

    
    Ah, so we got it going ...
    
    Yesterday Herbert Liedtke, current St.Pauli manager was sacked. His
    contract expires on Jan 31st. He was accused of having gained private
    advantages out of his contacts to St.Pauli sponsors. 
    
    
    7 players including Thomforde, Gronau, Kocian and Sailer are suffering
    from a food poisoning after Klaus Ottens birthday party. With
    Hollerbach, Kn�bel and Nicolic still being injured it will be difficult
    to reach the final in the Ratsherren-Cup this weekend, which would
    improve their chances to participate in the German Indoor Masters Cup
    later this year.
    
    Other Ratsherren-Cup participants are (by heart)
    	Hamburger SV
    	Slavia Prague 
    	Holstein Kiel ?
    	Dinamo Dresden ?
    	Spartak Moscow ?
    
    Rgds, Heiko
    
    	

    "Millerntor (sp?) Roar" fanzine is available from Sports Pages,
    Cambridge Circus, London. A knowledge of the German language 
    is useful, mind. Are St Pauli the only German club with a fanzine
    to it's name?
    
    Barry.

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    	There probably are more ... I just don't know.
    
    Ratsherren Cup:
    
    Spartak Moscow - Bundeswehr	4:3	Slavia Prague - Hamburger SV 4:1
    St.Pauli	   - Moscow	1:0	Slavia Prague - VfL 93	     4:1
    Bundeswehr     - RW Erfurt  6:4	VfL 93        - B.Tatabanya  3:2
    St.Pauli       - RW Erfurt  6:2	Hamburger SV  - B.Tatabanya  6:1
    Spartak Moscow - RW Erfurt  6:1	Slavia Prague - B.Tatabanya  4:4
    St.Pauli       - Bundeswehr 2:2	Hamburger SV  - VfL 93	     2:1
    
    Semifinals
    	  St.Pauli - Hamburger SV	Slavia Prague - Spartak Moscow
    		5  -  1	 			   4  -  0
    
    3rd Place
    		       Slavia Prague - Hamburger SV
                                  6  -  3
    
    Final
                      Spartak Moscow - FC St.Pauli
                                  2  -  1
    
    
    Quite good result, for St.Pauli played with 4 professionals only, the
    other 6 players were recruited from St.Pauli's 4th Division amateur
    team.
    
    St.Pauli has not made it to the master on their own, still they can
    qualify - depending on the results of the other indoor tournaments.
    
    Heiko
     
    
    

    
    After 10 yrs of football at the Millerntor Volker Ippig has officially
    resigned at the age of 29. He was having serious problems with his
    spinal column/vertebra (Wirbels�ule - says my dictionary). He will
    now start an education to become a non-medical practitioner
    (Heilparktiker). 
    He will also do some goalkeeper coaching, for the St.Pauli junior
    teams. 
    
    A loss, really, Alter.
    
    Heiko
    

    
    Very sad news. Volker wasn't only an excellent goalie during our 1st
    league adventure, he was a strong link between fans and the team, too.
    
    He always kept his good relation to the supporters, and this is the major
    strength of St.Pauli. 
    
    I remember well the first time I say him playing - about 82, before he
    went to Nicaragua for a year (guess it was against Holstein Kiel, a 3rd
    divisioner).
    
    Good luck Volker, we'll never forget you
    
    Rainer
    
    P.S. Is it really true that St.Pauli is the only german team with 
         an Easynet-Note on its own? That's incredible!
    

    >> P.S. Is it really true that St.Pauli is the only german team with
            an Easynet-Note on it's own? 
    
    Yes, unless I start up the official Rot Weiss Essen note. :^)
    
    Barry. 
    
                                                             

    
    Ah. The first match I ever went to was
    	
    2.Bundesliga 74/75 or so:
    
    	SC G�ttingen 05	- Rot Weiss Essen.
    
    I think it ended 1-1. I actually couldn't see *anything*, but my father
    told me, what was happening on the pitch.
    
    Heiko.
    

    
    Two friendlies ....
    
    
    FC St.Pauli	- FC Remscheid (2.Bundesliga)
    
    	     1  -  0
           Goch
    
    
    
    FC St.Pauli - SV Halstenbek/Rellingen (Landesliga Hamburg ie 5th Div)
    
             2  -  1
          Manzi	  R�ckert
         Sailer
    
    Well, another embarrasing result, just like last week's 
    2-2 draw to VfB L�beck (Verbandsliga Schleswig-Holstein ie 4th Div).
    
    I guess we havb=e to improve A LOT to take two points from Hertha BSC in
    the first match of the promotion round on March 8th. 
    
    Heiko
     

    
    Another friendly ...
    
    FC St.Pauli	 -  Widzew Lodz	  (Poland 1st Div)
    
    	      1  -  0
         Sailer
    	
    
    And, St.Pauli have announced that FC N�rnberg will get another 2 weeks
    time to pay the remaining DM 1.2 million for Andre Golke (who is doing 
    fine in N�rnberg  - 2 goals this weekend)
    
    Heiko
    
    
    

    
    Hertha BSC Berlin	-   FC St. Pauli Hamburg
    		
    		2       -       1 
    
    I guess that's it. Now it is 5 points to Bayer Uerdingen, we won't make
    it to the Bundesliga I'm afraid.
    
    Heiko_quiet_one
    

    
Zweite Bundesliga Nord
Promotion Round 2nd day:

FC St.Pauli	- SV Meppen	1:0
Hannover 96	- VfB Oldenburg	1:1
Bayer Uerdingen	- Hertha BSC	2:3

1. Bayer Uerdingen	38:25	30:18
2. SV Meppen		33:26	27:21
3. Hertha BSC		35:29	27:21
4. FC St.Pauli		32:27	27:21
5. Hannover 96		26:25	27:21
6. VfB Oldenburg	40:34	25:23

Some hope left. After Uerdingens surprising loss to Hertha on Sunday things
are no longer looking as bad as last week. A victory in Oldenburg on Saturday
is necessary, however.

Jetzt geht's looo-ooos.

Heiko
 

    Heard some rumours that Markus Sailer wants to leave St.Pauli at the
    end of this years round, if they won't qualify for the 1st division
    again. Is he only kidding for a better next-years-contract or are
    things more concrete? Think it would be real sad losing such a talent
    after only one year.
    
    Rainer

    
    Yes, rumours, indeed.
    
    It comes up every now and then. Sailer, Acosta, Nicolic, Driller ...
    
    All those players that have the skills for the 1.Bundesliga.
    Another rumour has it, that Golke will be returning to St.Pauli because
    N�rnberg have only paid little of the DM 1,2 million transfer fee. 
    Who knows ?
    
    As far as I know Sailers contract expires after the *next* season. They
    shouldn't let him go.
    Besides, a player to have a look at moght be Thomas Goch, from
    St.Paulis amateur team. He has played a couple of good preparation
    matches, and will probably be on the pitch against Oldenburg.
    
    
    My prediction:
    
    	VfB Oldenburg	2 - 2	FC St.Pauli 
    	Drulak (2)		Goch, Sailer
    
    Heiko
    
    
    

    I'm even more optimistic; I bet St.Pauli gets two points from
    Oldenburg - maybe winning 1-0, but this seems to be our last chance
    to qualify for the 1st division. 
    
    Maybe I'll head over to Oldenburg on Saturday to support the
    St.Pauli-supporters.
    
    Rainer
    

    
    OK It's not St.Pauli, but I didn't find another note, where to post 
    this:
    
    The management of TuS Hoisdorf (3.league) thinks whether they are
    going to relegate voluntary at the end of this season, as their
    sponsor converts to the VfB L�beck. 7 Hoisdorf-players are going
    to join L�beck in the next season. 
    Mr Bruss (the sponsor) sees no abilitiy for the TuS Hoisdorf to 
    get into the second Bundesliga with Hoisdorf as the village is
    not willing to sponsor a new football-ground or even some parking-lots.
    
    Sigh...
    		Gerd
    

    
    It's always the same story with this kind of clubs.
    
    1st stage:  An average-talented team, an ambitious sponsor,
                lot of new players bought, surprising success
                and lot of media noise.
    
    2nd stage:  The sponsor looses his interest or gets bankrupt, the
                players start looking for a new employer, no more
                success and the team moves back to his roots (say,
                5th or 6th division)
    
    I'm sorry to say this, but it's nothing new in the region of
    Hamburg. Remember Hummelsbuettler SV? Remember SV Lurup (where my
    cousin played for some years)? They both came from 6th division,
    had a lot of success (played even the qualification round for 
    the 2nd league) and now they are where they started from.
     
    The only team I'm really missing is Concordia Hamburg (for their
    excellent work with young, talented players).
    
    Rainer

    
    VfB Oldenburg	-  FC St.Pauli
    		     2  -  0
    
    Ok, so thats 5 points to Uerdingen again ...
    
    Uerdingen	- Hannover 96	1:0
    Oldenburg	- St.Pauli	2:0
    Meppen	- Hertha	0:0
    
    1. Uerdingen	39:25	32:18
    2. Hertha BSC	36:29	29:21
    3. VfB Oldenburg	42:34	27:23
    4. SV Meppen	33:27	27:23
    5. St.Pauli		32:29	27:23
    6. Hannover 96	26:26	27:23
    
    Next match at home against Hannover 96. 
    
    And now for Concordia Hamburg .....
    
    
    Verbandsliga Hamburg (ie 4th Division)
    
    Meiendorfer SV	- Concordia	1:7
    
    1. VfL 93 		59:18	38: 8
    2. SV Lurup		48: 9	34:12
    
    8. Concordia	38:33	24:22
    
    
    
    Heiko
    

    
    Hm, quite surprised to see Lurup on the way up again. I really
    remembered them some leagues deeper (but I'm not so familiar
    with the lower divisions anymore since I live in Cologne).
    
    By the way: I'm afraid that the defeat at Oldenburg ends all our
    hopes and prays for this year - maybe next season we're more
    successful. Nothing more to win nor to loose: its better for my
    nerves than last years end with lot of high tension. And friendlies
    against Uerdingen are interesting, too.
    
    Always thinking positive,
    Rainer 
          

    
    Naaa, there's still 7 matches left. 
    
    I simply don't want to see Uerdingen going up.
    
    If it can't be St.Pauli then I'd prefer Oldenburg or Meppen.
    Some really *rural* team, you know.
    
    Do you remember Schumachers quote, when he left Schalke, because they
    were going down ?
    	"Ich spiele doch nicht gegen eine Dorfmannschaft aus Meppen !"
    
        "I ain't gonna play a village-site like Meppen"
    
    Period.
    
    Best would be St.Pauli, though.
    
    Period.
    
    Heiko

    
    Rainer, you mentioned the players leaving St.Pauli ..
    
    here's the news from this morning's MoPo:
    
    Nikolic and Driller only have contracts for the Bundesliga season
    92/93. They want to play Bundesliga, so they might be leaving.
    
    Kn�bel and Hollerbach have contracts that expire this season.
    
    Klau� is only borrowed from Bochum.
    
    Heiko 

    Oh Gee, doesn't sound good, but I can understand them; Driller and
    Nikolic surely can make it in the Bundesliga too. Seems we'll have
    a long hard way to go if we won't get up again this year.
    
    I just recall what ex-manager Liedtke said at the start of this 
    years season:
    
      "We're no pikes (=Hechte), we're the SHARKS in the fish-pond;
       we gonna eat up all the others immediately"
    
    As the old Romans used to say: "Errare humanum est".
    
    Just feeling a little melancholic,
    Rainer

    I just have to correct my bad English in the headline, because
    my anglophile colleague Bettina just mentioned, that those 
    little fishes which are put into tin cans together with 
    lot of olive oil are called "Tin Sardines", not "Oil Sardines".
    
    But I'm suspicious, she's always cheating at me.
    Rainer

    
    (1) A loss against Hannover => Wohlers has to leave right now
    (2) Wohlers has to leave at the end of the season anyway
    
    Declared at 13:15 yesterday by Heinz Weisener, the President himself.
    
    According to MoPo   Uwe Reinders, Michael Lorkowski, 
    			Lorenz K�stner, Dieter Renner
    are the new candidates.
    
    Heiko
    
     

    If someone would ask me (but nobody will do, for sure), I would
    prefer Michael Lorkowski as new St.Pauli coach. He already did this
    job a couple of years and a lot of young, talented players (Andre 
    Golke/now Nurnberg, Stefan Studer/now Frankfurt, Volker Ippig
    and so on) started their career during this period.
    
    In my opinion, it was basically HIS team, which made it up to the
    1st division (though he was sacked a year before and many folks have
    forgotten this part of history). 
    
    Rainer

    
    Bit quiet in here, isn't it?
    
    Ok then,  
    
    FC St.Pauli	- Hannover 96	0:3
    
    Yeah. That's 7 points to Uerdingen and 6 matches left. Impossible I
    say. 
    
    Wohlers has quit btw, Seppo Eichkorn, former assistant coach, will do
    the job until the season's end.
    
    Heiko :(
          ;(

    
    ... and Michael Lorkowski (Hannover's Coach) is likely to sign as he
    would like to live 'at home' again, but he has not yet. 
    Hannover is in the semifinal of the german cup and Lorkowski said, he
    would retire if they win the cup (although this is very unlikely ...)
    
    Gerd_

    
    Bayer Uerdingen	- FC St.Pauli 	1:1
    VfB Oldenburg	- SV Meppen	1:0
    Hannover 96		- Hertha BSC	2:1
    
    Uerdingen	41:26	35:19
    Hannover	31:27	31:23
    Oldenburg	45:36	30:24
    Hertha	39:33	30:24
    St.Pauli	33:33	28:26
    Meppen	33:29	27:27
    
    It's all too late.
    
    Imagine we had won against Hannover and Oldenburg ....
    
    It could have been :-)
    
    Uerdingen	35:19
    St.Pauli    32:22
    
    Not good enough, though.
    
    Heiko

    
    Forgot to mention ....
    
    I think St.Pauli have deserved a *.100 :-)
    
    

    >>  Bit quiet in here, isn't it?
    
    I spent a week in the Netherlands (holidays on a motor boat) and
    Uerdingen heading for the 1st division doesn't make me chatty, too.
    
    But just a little bit of gossip:
    Yesterday, 2nd divisioner Hannover 96 has won the cup-semi-final 
    against last-years-champ Werder Bremen (7-6 or so in the penalty
    scoring, can't keep such large numbers in mind). Now the final is
    against M�nchengladbach and Hannover has a realistic chance to win
    the cup as the first 2nd division team of all times.
    
    Their trainer, Michael Lorkowski, is still in negotiations with
    St.Pauli to sign a contract for next year, but as I read some days
    ago (not in the "Morgenpost", but in the "Kicker"), he declared to
    quit his trainer job and to immigrate to the Caribbean Sea (where 
    he wants to do some yacht charter and sailing courses) - perhaps 
    in two or three years, or right now if he wins the cup with Hannover.
    
    Don't know if this is just another story to fill a headline or some
    realistic perspective.
     
    Rainer (who has to stay at Digital's because you can't become a
            sailing trainer with two left hands)
    
   

    
    SV Meppen		- FC St.Pauli		0:2
    		  		Sailer (28.)
    		  		Manzi  (38.)
    
    Hertha BSC		- Bayer Uerdingen	0:5
    VfB Oldenburg 	- Hannover 96		5:0
    
    1. Uerdingen	46:27	37:21
    2. Oldenburg	51:36	34:24
    3. Hertha		42:38	32:26
    4. Hannover		32:33	32:26
    5. St.Pauli		35:36	30:28
    6. Meppen		34:32	28:30
    
    
    Lorkowski has not yet signed to coach St.Pauli next season.
    Ottens will probably leave St.Pauli and play for Meppen.
    
    Heiko
    

    
    Last Weekend ...
    
    FC St.Pauli	- VfB Oldenburg
    	3	- 	2
    
    Gatti(2)		Linke(2)
    Sailer
    
    This means Uerdingen are back in the Bundesliga.
    
    Rgds
    		Heiko
    

    
    Hannover 96		- FC St.Pauli	
    	0		-	2
    	
    				Sailer
    				Ottens
    
    A meaningless match, neither Hannover nor St.Pauli can get promoted any 
    more. Good to see that St.Pauli is on he winning way again. A victory
    against leaders Uerdingen would be fine for next weekend, cause this 
    could get the nobodies of Oldenburg promoted to the Bundesliga
    
    Last Matches:
    	Hannover  - St.Pauli	0:2
    	Uerdingen - Meppen	0:1
    	Oldenburg - Hertha	1:0
    
    Current Standings:
    
    Uerdingen	47:29	38:24
    Oldenburg	54:39	36:26
    Hertha	45:40	34:28
    St.Pauli	40:38	34:28
    Hannover	33:36	33:29
    Meppen	36:35	30:32
    
    Final Day:
    
    	Meppen		- Oldenburg
    	Hertha		- Hannover
    	St.Pauli	- Uerdingen
    
    Rgds,	
    		Heiko
    

    Done. Moved to 11.137.
    
    JF

    
    FC St.Pauli 	- 	Bayer 05 Uerdingen
    
    	0		-		0
    
    
    Bayer needed a draw to get promoted. They made it, luckily. 
    St.Pauli dominated, but didn't produce enough clear chances.
    With the information that VfB Oldenburg was leading 2-0 in Meppen
    it was clear that a victory for St.Pauli would push little Oldenburg
    into the Bundesliga. Uerdingen was getting even more nervous, just
    kicking the ball out of the danger-zone. St.Pauli's fans shouting
    for Oldenburg, but still Uerdingen managed to keep their goal clean by
    backpassing from the middle and kicking forward without concept.
    
    Carsten Suhrmann of Hannover 96 will join St.Pauli next season.
    Joachim Philipkowski of N�rnberg may join St.Pauli next season,
    management is just discussing the transfer fee.
    Dynamo Dresden have announced their interest in Toni Sailer.
    
    
    Promotion Round North
    
    SV Meppen	- VfB Oldenburg	0:2
    St.Pauli	- Uerdingen	0:0
    Hertha BSC	- Hannover 96	1:1
    
    1. Uerdingen	47:29	39:25
    2. Oldenburg	56:39	38:26
    3. Hertha BSC	46:41	35:29
    4. St.Pauli		40:38	35:29
    5. Hannover 96	34:37	34:30
    6. SV Meppen	36:37	30:34
    
    Promotion Round South
    
    1. Saarbr�cken	52:30	42:22
    2. Mannheim		44:31	38:26
    3. Freiburg		52:41	37:27
    4. Chemnitz		35:30	36:28
    5. Jena		39:36	33:31
    6. Homburg		41:36	32:32
    
    Relegation Round North
    
    1. Braunschweig	54:48	33:31
    2. Remscheid	39:38	31:33
    3. Osnabr�ck	45:54	31:33
    4. BW90 Berlin	41:50	30:34
    5. Fortuna K�ln	39:50	25:39
    6. Brandenburg	37:53	23:41
    
    Relegation Round South
    
    1. Leipzig		42:42	31:33
    2. Darmstadt	41:49	31:33
    3. Mainz		39:38	30:34
    4. 1860 M�nchen	31:32	30:34
    5. Halle		35:47	27:37
    6. Erfurt		36:75	17:47
    
    Heiko
    
    
    
    

    Just curious, but how many of the team sform the old East German league
    are still in the Budesliga? Now that last years champion Rostock is
    going down, I think there would be one, maybe 2 at the most.
    
    I didn't realise there was this much of a talent difference between the
    eastern and western clubs.
    
    Tom

I'd guess that Dynamo Dresden are the only "East" German club left
in the top flight of the Bundersliga. Rostok started the season off
very well and led the table for a few weeks. I wonder why it all
went wrong? Where is Uerdingen by the way? 

barry

    
    There were talented players in the former GDR ....
    
    Dynamo Dresden was the *only* team, not to sell their players to the
    rich western clubs.
    
    Some examples:
    Sammer 	-> VfB Stuttgart 	-> Milan (next season)
    Doll   	-> Hamburger SV		-> Lazio (last season)
    Thom	-> Leverkusen
    Kirsten	-> Leverkusen
    Rohde	-> Hamburger SV
    Kruse	-> Frankfurt
    
    
    Hansa Rostock suffered under their egocentric manager Kische, who 
    always interfered in the team's affairs. The very much respected coach
    Uwe Reinders had too leave after long months of quarrels, rumors and
    intrigues (sp?). 
    
    Brandenburg, Erfurt, Halle as former GDR clubs dropped out the
    2.Bundesliga. 
    Remaining:
    
    Bundesliga:		Dynamo Dreseden
    2.Bundesliga	Hansa Rostock
    			FC Jena
    			Chemnitzer FC
    			VfB Leipzig
    
    and maybe 1 coming up, possibly Union Berlin or FC Magdeburg.
    
    Uerdingen is a suburb/part of Krefeld wich lies at the river rhine.
    
    Rgds,
    	Heiko
    
    

   Heiko, Iam fairly sure that Sammer came from Dresden. At least he claimed on
sunday that he won the GDR league a few times with them???!!! Maybe you can post
a list of the previous GDR teams these players (Doll,Thom,Kruse,etc) played
for untill they moved west.

    Is it true that Feldkampf has retired, or was I just dreaming this morning??
I heard something on the radio but I wasn't really listening. If its true then
why???? He was (with Rehagel) the most successfull German manager over the past
few years.

                                                               regards...

                                                                   -dave-

    
    Hi Rainer, are you still around ?
    
    I remember you talking about Lurup ...
    
    Here's the table for the promotion round to Oberliga Nord (3rd Div)
    
    Group A				Group B
    	
    1. VfL 93 Hamburg	6:4	4:2	1. SV Lurup		9:3	6:0
    2. TuS Lingen	4:3	4:2	2. Atlas Delmenhorst	6:6	4:2
    3. VfB L�beck	6:6	3:3	3. VfB Kiel		2:4	2:4
    4. L�neburger SK	1:4	1:4	4. SFL Bremerhaven	3:7	0:6
    
    Rgds,
    	Heiko

    Sure I am, but I don't know for how long in this hard times at
    DIGITAL's.
    
    Surprising that Lurup is so strong in these times. I remember they
    had one sponsor - Uwe Einsath, who owned a scaffold construction
    enterprise - and when he took his money out of the club their rapid
    descent began.
    
    But without money it's hard to survive even in the 3rd division
    (and Lurup didn't have too many spectators - I saw games of
    them in the Oberliga Nord with 200 visitors or so). So, is there
    someone new who puts his money into the team ?
    
    By the way: Have Sailer, Nicolic and Driller found new teams 
    up to now or is there still a chance they will play at the
    Millerntor next year ?
    
    Cheers,
    Rainer
    
          

    Hi Heiko,
    
    haven't heard something new of St.Pauli for a long time - and it's
    only 3 weeks to go for next years round (or don't they start at
    11th of July ?).
    
    My expectations are quite positive, but a bit sceptical, too. With
    24 teams (= 46 matches) we need a very long breath, but I hope that
    our new coach will give St.Pauli another push to the top - as he
    did some years ago. The relegates from 1st division won't be too
    strong - except from Duisburg - (who's afraid of Rostock or Dusseldorf?)
    but only 2 teams qualifying for 1st division is a bloody hard
    selection.
    
    Regards, Rainer
                   

    Just out of interest when does the Bundersliga resume activity?
    I'll be over there from 27th June to 12th July and again from 
    26th August to 30th August. Have fixture lists been produced
    yet and if so has anyone got July/August dates for the following
    clubs: Bocchum, Koln, Wattensheid(?), Leverkusen, Schalke, 
    Monchengladbach, Duisburg and Dortmund? 
    
    I was lucky enough to catch a cracker of a game between Schalke
    and Dortmund last year and fancy another trip to a Bundersliga
    game. St Pauli would be nice but I think Hamburg's about a 4-5
    hour drive from where I'll be staying.
          
    barry. 

    
    Hi Rainer,
    
    I must have missed your reply (Dated Jun 1st).
    
    Hamburg Regional News....
    
    	Lurup won all matches in the promotion round.
    	Due to Wolfsburg's promotion to 2.Bundesliga, VfL 93 has 
    	also been promoted. 
    	VfB L�beck has missed the promotion.
    
    Hamburgian (?!) Teams ...
    	Bundesliga
    		Hamburger SV
    	2.Bundesliga
    		FC St.Pauli
    	Oberliga Nord
    		SC Norderstedt
    		Altona 93
    		SV Lurup
    		VfL 93 Hamburg
    		Hamburger SV Amateurs
    		
    
    St. Pauli News:
    
    	Michael Lorkowksi has just announced his 'first squad':
    
    			Thomforde
    		Kocian, Dammann, Schwinkendorf
    Surmann, Kn�bel, Sievers, (Belarbi or Hollerbach), (Gatti, Olck or Gronau) 
    			Philipkowski, Manzi
    
    
    Heiko
    

    
    re .45
    
    barry,
    	I don't recommend going to St.Pauli theses days. The Millerntor
    	has lost much of its flair last season. Just wait and see, how
    	things will be going. 
    
    Heiko
    

    As a regular visitor of Hamburg I have to admit that former writer is
    right ( it must be Heiko......I guess...). I 've been to HSV a couple
    of times, "um die Bayern die Lederhose aus zu ziehen"  ( favourite
    sport of Hamburgers : pulling Bavarians there leather pants out) !
    There they said that St Pauli was a club of Hooligans and bad
    people.... But at the Millerntor I saw once a very pleasant game
    between the two. But nowadays, after the fall of St Pauli, it seems not
    to be very friendly there.........
    
    John

    
    John,
    
    I wouldn't say it has become unfriendly. The atmosphere is not as
    chilling as it used to be. Two years ago the Millerntor was sold out
    at every match. The crowd was cheering, although to lads were utter
    crap. Both sides (fans & team) were doing their best, the lack of
    skill was unimportant. The crowd itself was a colourful mixture, just
    as St.Pauli is. The prostitue from the Reeperbahn was cheering together
    with the neat lawyer and the punk Hafenstra�e anarchist.
    There were more Jolly Jumpers (?? - the pirate flag) than Brown-White
    St.Pauli flags.
    
    Last season, the Millerntor was only sold out a few times. The crowd
    started to whistle at halftime, when St.Pauli played bad. 
    It's no party anymore.
    
    Cheers,
    	
    	Heiko

    re -1
    
    I felt it as unfriendly when I was there.....different from a couple of
    years ago. And I do agree that it was a very mixed crowd...but is the
    crowd of HSV so much different ????? HSV behaves as the club with more
    status but St Pauli proved always to have more guts ; didn't they win
    enormously last year in the Ratsherren ( Pilsener ?) tournament ?
    
    And the whistling is something that belongs to Hamburg : I have always
    seen them as a crowd that favours the sport. When a team plays bad ( or
    have a bavarian background...;-)) they whistle, the good team gets
    applause ! Never mind if it is the home team or the opponents.
    Examples : when Ajax won, they were cheered by the whole crowd, and HSV
    was whistled out.......
    
    John

    
    re: -3
    Things said by Hamburger SV supporters should be regarded as
    subjective feelings, I think. There has always been slight enmity
    between HSV and St.Pauli and with increasing success of our team
    this has become even stronger. I just would answer with another
    subjective statement: if you like to meet skinheads and headbangers,
    HSV is better for you - because Millerntor is nazi-free zone.
    
    re: -2,-1
    Maybe you're both right - but I think that's normal. I have seen some 
    outward matches last year (e.g. at Fortuna Koeln and Uerdingen) but 
    haven't been at the Millerntor for even one game. My impression is:
    there are still a lot of folks traveling around with the team 
    and they support St.Pauli as strong as they ever did, but it's
    not that "fashionable" to be a "St. Paulianer" as it was two years
    ago - and those thinking in "Whats In? Whats Out?" categories start
    changing their minds. But it doesn't bother me too much - IMO those
    guys/girls from the red light zone and Hafenstrasse punks are more
    dependable than young lawyers and yuppies from advertising agencies.
    
    So maybe we have to pass harder times but I still believe in the
    spirit of St.Pauli.
    
    Rainer
                                                                 

    
    HSV has always been the rich club. It isn't rich at all these days,
    but still they're having their home in Harvestehude, which definetely
    is one of parts of Hamburg, where the rich and famous live. They used
    to have their training campus at the Rothenbaumchaussee in
    Harvestehude, right opposite to the Rothenbaum Tennis Courts, near to
    the University. As they were in heavy financial trouble last year they
    had to sell it, they got DM 10,000,000 for it - from the city of
    Hamburg. Who knows, what a private man would have given. After all,
    HSV still has the character and attitude of a rich, hanseatic sports
    club. They were German Champions twice in the 80ies and won the EC.
    They had players like Thomas Doll, Manfred Kaltz, Felix Magath, 
    Kevin Keegan and Uwe Seeler. All well known, even outside of Germany.
    
    FC St.Pauli, on the other hand, is located in St.Pauli. A working class
    district of old, a red-light district of international reputation. 
    The Millerntor is right next to the Heiligengeistfeld, a traditional
    Circus and Entertainment place. The Reeperbahn is 300 meters away from
    there, DEC Hamburg 1km :-). Little green, occupied rotten houses, 
    black, red and blue-dyed hair, Cabarets and night-clubs, that is
    the neighborhood of FC St.Pauli. Volker Ippig and Klaus Gerber are the
    famous players. No one ever made it to the German national squad.
    I'm not sure, if St.Pauli ever was German Champion. If they were, the
    year 1911 is correct, I think.  The greatest success in history was the
    1:0 against Bayern in Munich 2 years ago. They have never been more
    than an ordinary site. The 'Volksfest'-atmosphere and their will
    to give everything (of the little they had) made St.Pauli something
    special.
    
    Cheers,
    	Heiko

    re -1
    
    That's what I meaned with status ; HSV was the rich club. And yes, the
    skinheads took care that I didn't visit HSV anymore for a long time.
    My friends however, former HSV fans, tend more and more to St Pauli.
    They sometimes go to HSV because they play in the Bundesliga.
    And was St Pauli not the first club that took action against skinheads
    this year ?
    You surely convinced me of visting the Millerntor ( next to the DOM ?)
    next year or so !
    
    John 

    
    Good idea, John.
    Call me, when you're coming.
    
    Heiko
    

>>  The Millerntor is right next to the Heiligengeistfeld, a traditional
>>  Circus and Entertainment place. The Reeperbahn is 300 meters away from
>>  there, DEC Hamburg 1km :-)
    
    Right said. Hard to tell which place is more serious.
    
    Rainer (who is envious because we only have a streetcar hall
            next door to DEC Cologne)

    
There was a compilation of St.Pauli's current professional players
in the paper today. There are some players, who have contracted as 
amateurs, however.

Players:
Klaus Thomforde, Jens Richwien, Dirk Dammann, Jan Kocian, J�rn Schwinkendorf,
Carsten Surmann, Peter Kn�bel, Ralf Sievers, Joachim Philipkowski, 
Leonardo Manzi, Bernd Hollerbach, Rachid Belarbi, Robert Nicolic, 
Dieter Schlindwein, Torsten Fr�hling, Bernhard Olck, Martino Gatti, 
J�rgen Gronau, Martin Driller, Boller Jeschke, Klaus Ottens, Markus Aerdgen,
Thomas Goch

Cheers,
	Heiko

    Just some questions on St.Pauli's current team:
    
    Didn't Nicolic and Driller find a 1st divisioner - I thought they
    had a strong will to leave ?
    
    Where does Sailer play next year (I have in mind he was in
    negotiations with 1.FC Kaiserslautern, but my long-term-memory
    is not what it should be) ?
    
    What about "Otti"  (I remember him definitely changing to
    SV Meppen) ?
          
    Rainer

    
    The players mentioned in the list - Otti, Nicolic and Driller - are
    in the squad. The transfer market closes on Jun 30th, I think.
    
    Sailer went to 
    
    MSV Duisburg.
    
    
    (I think)
    What a miserable transfer. That's no improvement for him *at all*.
    At least St.Pauli got DM 800,000 for him - they bought him for DM
    50,000 a year ago.
    
    Heiko
    
    

    re .54
    
    When I'll be in Steilshoop again, I'll let you know. You can tell me
    who St Pauli 'gegner" will be, right !
    Ofcourse I'll deliver the same service if you visit Amsterdam with 
    Ajax ! 
    
    John

    re: 52
>>  I'm not sure, if St.Pauli ever was German Champion. If they were, the
>>  year 1911 is correct, I think.  
    
    I wasn't sure either so I looked it up in my football dictionary.
    St.Pauli has never been German Champion up to now (in 1911 Viktoria
    Berlin was champ), but there are still some years left in this century.
    
    Rainer

    
    Did they win the cup, then ?
    I mean, they must have won *something*. I will figure it out this
    afternoon. Two fellow-students of mine are playing in St.Pauli's
    females soccer team. (FWIW ;-)
    
    Heiko
    

    
    OK,
    
    in case anybody is interested :-)
    
    FC St.Pauli has never ever won anything (important).
    
    
    Cheers,		Heiko
    

    
    German 2.Bundesliga starts this weekend.
    
    St.Pauli away to Hertha BSC Berlin. That's a toughie, probably. The
    cracker of ther first day. A win in Berlin could give'em a lot
    of confidence to start the season with.
    
    And good luck to you, jb.
    
    Heiko
    

    Just to know which day I have to switch on my TV:
    When does St.Pauli play Hertha BSC? Friday evening, Saturday or
    Sunday? It will be hard work, anyway.
    
    Rainer

German Zweite Bundesliga started last weekend. St.Pauli drew luckily in
Berlin against Hertha BSC.
 
A goal for St.Pauli and a Red-Yellow Card for Hertha were directly caused
by the new FIFA-Rules. Hertha totally outclassed St.Pauli in the first half,
comfortably leading 2 - 0. But then Leo Manzi was lucky to profit from a 
hilarious misunderstanding in Hertha's defense, when goalie Junghans blocked
a St.Pauli shot but couldn't get hold of the ball. Hertha player Seckler stood
right beside him, but was reluctant to play the ball to Junghans, as this could
have been a back-pass. Manzi jumped in between and easily scored.
Later Feinbier of Hertha was sent off, because he angrily kicked away the ball
after a referee decision he didn't agree with. According to the new rules, this
instantly gives a yellow card. It would have been Feinbier's second one.
Peter Kn�bel scored the equalized in the 86th minute with a penalty.

All Results. Relegated teams marked (R), promoted teams marked (P)

Unterhaching (P)    - Jena		1:2
Osnabr�ck	    - Wolfsburg (P)	3:5
Fortuna K�ln	    - Mannheim		0:1
Oldenburg	    - Freiburg		2:2
D�sseldorf (R)	    - Chemnitz		1:1
Wuppertal (P)	    - Mainz		3:1
Leipzig		    - Duisburg (R)	0:0
Braunschweig	    - Meppen		1:0
Hertha BSC	    - St.Pauli		2:2
Stuttgarter K. (R)  - Hannover		0:2
Rostock (R)	    - Remscheid		1:0
Darmstadt	    - Homburg		1:1

Cheers,	    Heiko

    This was a "Big Point", IMO. Hertha was quite strong, as I saw it
    on TV, but St.Pauli never gave up the fight so the draw was OK.
    
    Yesterdays "Hamburger Abendblatt" gave the new players Schwinkendorf
    (sp?) and Jeschke good critics, so there are some talents again.
    This makes me more optimistic, since you need more than 11 good
    players for such a long season.
    
    Next match against Darmstadt should be different, but not easy, too.
    I bet they will play very defensive and go for draw. I'm not sure 
    what will happen if there are twenty or more players in Darmstadt's
    half for the whole time (My prediction is as 1-0, but it could be
    also a 0-0).
    
    Rainer
          

    
    in a hurry ....
    
    FC St.Pauli		- Darmstadt 98		3:1
    
    

    
    Eintracht Braunschweig	- FC St.Pauli
    		0		-	2
    
    					Aerdken
    					Ottens
    
    Very good, offensive performance of St.Pauli. It should have been
    a 4 or 5 nil, after all. Aerdken, in his third professional match,
    had two other clear chances, Jescke in his third professional match
    had two clear chances. 
    Says Michael Lorkowski (Coach): In Berlin we tried to play defensively,
    and drew luckily. From now on we'll play attacking football, I prefer
    it anyway. Gronau, Manzi and Philipkowski didn't play at all, Driller,
    Gatti and Ottens played instead of them. "We have 24 players, nobody
    has to sit and watch from the bench for the whole season."
    
    Other results and table:
    	Unterhaching	- Mainz		0:1
    	Fortuna K�ln	- Duisburg	0:0
    	Stuttgart Kick.	- Wolfsburg	0:0
    	Oldenburg	- Chemnitz	1:0
    	D�sseldorf	- Jena		2:2
    	Rostock		- Mannheim	1:1
    	Wuppertal	- Meppen	0:1
    	Leipzig		- Homburg	2:0
    	Osnabr�ck	- Remscheid	1:1
    	Darmstadt	- Hertha 	3:0
    	Freiburg	- Hannover	4:0
    
     1. SC Freiburg	8:2	5:1
     2. FC St.Pauli	7:3	5:1
     3. VfB Leipzig	4:0	5:1
     4. VfL Wolfsburg	7:4	5:1
     5. Jena		6:4	5:1
     6. Mannheim	3:1	5:1
     7. MSV Duisburg	2:1	4:2
     8. Darmstadt 98	5:4	3:3
     9. VfL Osnabr�ck	6:6	3:3
    10. VfB Oldenburg	4:4	3:3
    	FC Remscheid	4:4	3:3
    12. Hansa Rostock	3:3	3:3
    13. FC Homburg	4:5	3:3
    14. Mainz 05	2:3	3:3
    15. Hannover 96	4:6	3:3
    16. Wuppertaler SV	4:4	2:4	
    17. D�sseldorf	5:6	2:4
    18. Fort.K�ln	0:1	2:4
    19. Braunschweig	3:5	2:4
    20. Meppen		1:3	2:4
    21. Hertha BSC	4:7	2:4
    22. Chemnitz	1:4	1:5
    23. Stuttgart K.	0:4	1:5
    24. Unterhaching	1:4	0:6
    
    7 teams to go down.
    
    Cheers,	
    	Heiko
    

    FC St.Pauli  -  VfB Leipzig               0 - 0
    
    A goalless draw is always somehow disappointing, but it was achieved
    against the strongest defense in the 2nd league (nobody scored even
    one goal against Leipzig in the first four matches). Leo Manzi played
    quite well in the 2nd half when he substituted Martin Driller, who
    was not that strong.
    
    The Millerntor was completely sold out with 20,500 spectators.
    
    Next game is against Wuppertaler SV on saturday and I will definitely
    join the St.Pauli crowd, because it's only 100 km from my hometown
    Bonn. Hope we can take at least one point back to the "Waterkant".
    
    P.S. I don't have all the other results of Tuesday/Wesneyday in
         mind, but the "last years descenders" Fortuna Duesseldorf and
         Stuttgarter Kickers both lost (and I think Hansa Rostock too).
    
    Rainer
          

    The other results & table
    
    Mainz	- Rostock	1:0
    Meppen	- K�ln		1:1
    Duisburg	- Unterhaching	4:0
    St.Pauli	- Leipzig	0:0
    Chemnitz	- Stuttgart	2:0
    Mannheim	- D�sseldorf	1:0
    Remscheid	- Oldenburg	1:1
    Wolfsburg	- Freiburg	3:3
    Hertha	- Braunschweig	0:0
    Homburg	- Wuppertal	2:1
    Jena	- Osnabr�ck	2:0
    Hannover	- Darmstadt	5:0
    
     1. FC Carl-Zeiss Jena	 8:4	7:1
     2. SV Waldhof Mannhein	 4:1	7:1
     3. SC Freiburg		11:5	6:2
     4. MSV Duisburg		 6:1	6:2
     5. FC St.Pauli		 7:3	6:2
     6. VfB Leipzig		 4:0	6:2
     7. VfL Wolfsburg		10:7	6:2
     8. Hannover 96		 9:6	5:3
     9. FC Homburg		 6:6	5:3
    10. FSV Mainz 05		 3:3	5:3
    11. VfL Oldenburg		 5:5	4:4
    	FC Remscheid		 5:5	4:4
    13. Chemnitzer FC		 3:4	3:5	
    	FC Hansa Rostock	 3:4	3:5
    15. Fortuna K�ln		 1:2	3:5
    16. VfL Osnabr�ck		 6:8	3:5
    17. Eintracht Braunschweig	 3:5	3:5
    18. SV Meppen		 2:4	3:5
    19. Hertha BSC Berlin	 4:7	3:5
    20. SV Darmstadt 98		 5:9	3:5
    21. Wuppertaler SV		 5:6	2:6
    22. Fortuna D�sseldorf	 5:7	2:6
    23. Stuttgarter Kickers	 0:6	1:7
    24. SpVgg Unterhaching	 1:8	0:8
    
    Rgds,	
    	Heiko

    
    Wuppertaler SV	- FC St.Pauli
    	3		- 	0
    
    The first loss for St.Pauli pushes them back to reality, which is
    the 9th position right now. A truly dissapointing performance.
    Especially Philipkowski has probably missed his last chance to make
    it to the first XI.
    
    Other results and table:
    Unterhaching	- Meppen	1:3
    Stuttgart		- Remscheid	1:1
    Rostock		- Duisburg	2:0
    K�ln		- Homburg	1:0
    Leipzig		- Hertha	2:0
    Braunschweig	- Darmstadt	0:0
    Freiburg		- Chemnitz	2:0
    Hannover		- Wolfsburg	3:1
    Oldenburg		- Jena		0:2
    Osnabr�ck		- Mannheim	6:0
    D�sseldorf		- Mainz		1:2
    
     1. FC Carl-Zeiss Jena	10: 4	9:1
     2. SC Freiburg		13: 5	8:2
     3. VfB Leipzig		 6: 0	8:2
     4. Hannover 96		12: 7	7:3
     5. FSV Mainz 05		 5: 4	7:3
     6. SV Waldhof Mannheim	 4: 7	7:3
     7. MSV Duisburg		 6: 3	6:4
     8. VfL Wolfsburg		11:10	6:4
     9. FC St.Pauli		 7: 6	6:4
    10. VfL Osnabr�ck		12: 8	5:5
    11. Hansa Rostock 		 5: 4	5:5
    12. FC Remscheid		 6: 6	5:5
    13. SV Meppen		 5: 5	5:5
    14. Fortuna K�ln		 2: 2	5:5
    15. FC Homburg		 6: 7	5:5
    16. Wuppertaler SV		 8: 6	4:6
    17. VfB Oldenburg		 5: 7	4:6
    18. Eintracht Braunschweig	 3: 5	4:6
    19. Darmstadt 98		 5: 9	4:6
    20. Chemnitzer FC		 3: 6	3:7
    21. Hertha BSC Berlin	 4: 9	3:7
    22. Fortuna D�sseldorf	 6: 9	2:8
    23. Stuttgarter Kickers	 1: 7	2:8
    24. SpVgg Unterhaching	 2:11	0:10
    
    Heiko
    

Wuppertaler SV - FC St.Pauli     3 - 0

I can't remember another match I've been to as worse as this one.
St.Pauli had only one real chance (2' by Aerdken) and the defense
was terribly bad. All goals were scored from short distances when
St.Pauli defenders were far away from their opponents. Forget the
game, but everything else was great.

Wuppertal has an very old stadium which is located near the center
of town with a lot of bars next door. Since noon those were occupied
by St.Pauli fans singing, drinking and enjoying themselves, but 
never aggressive or violent. Somebody said sometimes ago, St.Pauli
matches are not a party anymore, but I can't confirm to this.

Though it was 350 km to travel from Hamburg, 1500-2000 supporters
came over to Wuppertal and nobody really cared about the awful 
game. Instead of whistling they were singing "So ein Tag, so
wunderschoen wie heute" (the typical hymn after glorious won matches)
even when there was absolutely no chance left for a draw and at the
end the team got a lot of applause.

And another short story (which would have been worth to be documented
by german TV): Next to our block stood a group of Wuppertal right-
wing supporters who had put a German World War II banner at the
fence. Some of us demanded "Take that flag away!". To clarify their
mindset, those Ultras came to the fence, raised their right arms
(which was called "Hitlergruss" in former times) and exclaimed some
paroles. Now the whole St.Pauli crowd started shouting for minutes
"Nazis raus" and "We don't want no Nazi pigs" with ever increasing
loudness - until two policemen went over to those chaps and removed
the banner. This was one of those moments when I was really proud
to be a St.Paulianer (and a big point for Wuppertal police). 

Rainer
                                     

    Has Lorkowki already said, which offenders will prevent St.Pauli goals
    this evening against Fortuna Koeln? I'm curious how many folks will
    come over to the Millerntor after last weeks disgrace.
    
    Rainer

    
    Nothing on the team for today, but Leo Manzi seems to be a hot bet,
    after Philipkowski's performance last week. Leo's home matches have
    been quite good so far, he obviously needs the support of the crowd.
    
    Heiko
    
    P.S.:
    	I'll bet for a 2-0 victory
    
    

    I bet on a 2 - 1, because our defense is always good for one goal.
    Keep your fingers crossed, a loss would be fatal.
    
    Rainer

    
    St.Pauli won 1-0 against Fortuna K�ln last Friday, if I remenber
    correctly. They are about ranking 5th now, with Jena still first and
    Leipzig second. Leipzig had their first two goals against, but won anyway. 
    
    Next macth is away to Unterhaching. Those who have lost all of their
    matches so far.
    
    

    Can any of the German noters enlighten me as to the usual price of
    a replica shirt? Hopefully they're not more than DM:70? Here's hoping.
                                                                      
    barry.

    Hi Barry,
    
    Two years ago I bought a replica shirt via a mail order distributor from
    Saarbruecken and it was at DM 70, I can remember (I could give you the
    address, but today is my last day in the office until the end of
    August, so this would take some time). But maybe these shirts
    are cheaper if you buy them directly at the St.Pauli fan shop. Sorry,
    but I don't have that address - hope someone else can help.
    
    Rainer 

    Thanks Rainer. I'll add on a few Marks to the DM 70 to account for
    the cost of reunification 8^)  Actually it's one of those "be seen
    at night" illuminous Dortmund shirts that I'm after. For two reasons:
    for night-time cycling and sheer pose value. 8^)
    
    barry.
    
    

    
    Unterhaching     1:1	FC St.Pauli
    
    The first point for Unterhaching.
    Nuff said.
    
    Heiko
    

    
    Hi there. I'm back again.
    
    Latest update ...
    
    FC St.Pauli - VfL Osnabr�ck	3:0	(Driller, Aerdken, Gatti)
    
    St.Pauli now has 11:9 pts, ranking 9th.
    Top of the league is Freiburg, with Mainz second.
    
    Heiko
    

    
    Latest Result
    
    	SC Freiburg	- FC St.Pauli 
    		2		1
    
    	Fincke		  Manzi
    	Seeliger
    
    St.Pauli is now 15th, with 15:17 goals and 12:14 points.
    
    Top of the league:
    
    1. SC Freiburg		31:12	20: 6
    2. MSV Duisburg		21: 9	20: 6
    3. Fortuna K�ln		17: 6	17: 9
    4. Hansa Rostock		17: 8	17: 9
    5. FSV Mainz 05		17:14	16:10
    6. FC Jena			22:18	15:11
    
    Heiko
      

    I've been rather quite for some weeks, because of my vacation and lot
    of work after that. Next weekend I'll head over to Hamburg to visit
    my parents and this is a good opportunity to see a home match of
    St.Pauli after long time. I just noticed that they will play at home
    against Remscheid, but don't know the exact fixture (Friday evening?
    Saturday - which would be best ? Sunday?).
    
    Anybody got a clue?
    I think it will be no problem to get tickets, since there were only
    12,000 visitors against Nuernberg, or am I too optimistic? 
    
    As far as I know Remscheid is such a bad team, that we definitely
    will get into trouble - as against all the others from the bottom
    of the list. Seems to me we're only tough against stronger teams 
    - as last weekend in the cup.
    
    Always walk on the bright side of life!
    Rainer
                      

    
    FC St.Pauli	- FC Remscheid	
    	
    	Freitag, 20 Uhr.
    
    Gru�,
    	Heiko
    

    Too bad, I'll probably be in the jam next to the Elbtunnel at that
    time.
    
    Our local newspaper from Bonn asserted yesterday that there was a
    vote within the team pro/con coach Lorkowski and that it resulted
    in a clear majority against him. Don't know how things will proceed -
    maybe with a revival for Helmut Schulte ?
    
    After that disgrace at Chemnitz I'm totally uncertain what the real
    problems are. If my long-term-memory works properly, the last time
    I saw St.Pauli on a relegates position in the 2nd league was in 84
    (when they had to go back to the Oberliga Nord for one year).
    
    Cheers,
    Rainer
                                 

    
    No, the vote was made in the HSV, resulting in a 14:3 against Coordes.
    
    Lorkowski, however, has announced, that only those players will be 
    playing on Friday, which agree to donate their fee to the 'Alsterdorfer
    Anstalten', if St.Pauli doesn't win. He hopes that this action will
    force the players to *fight* for victory again.
    
    Heiko
    

    Great idea. So it will be a win anyway: either for the Blind and the
    Lame (against Remscheid) or for the Handicapped at Alsterdorf.
    
    Har, har, har
    Rainer

    
    So then,
    
    	Lorko is out.
    
    After a statement of the team in yesterday's press in which the team
    critizised his ideas and style ('won't let him blackmail us etc.'),
    Michael Lorkowski has been suspended in the afternonn. 
    New coach is Seppo Eichkorn, former coach of the St.Pauli amateur team.
    
    Thats 2 Sackings on 10 square-km in 2 days :-)
    
    Heiko
    

Though Bonn is a little town and our local press is quite provincial,
sometimes they can hear the grass grow:  
  
>>  Our local newspaper from Bonn asserted yesterday that there was a
>>  vote within the team pro/con coach Lorkowski and that it resulted
>>  in a clear majority against him. 

This was a short episode - I didn't expect that when he started his job
in summer and I was sure he was the right man for St.Pauli. But IMO he
made a lot of mistakes so the decision was correct:
  - always changing the offensive players doesn't rise flexibility
    but it makes them feel uncertain - not only the young ones 
  - the defense was as unstable as never before - all his steps to
    improve this (changing the libero etc.) brought up nothing.
Now the decision is made without long discussions and delays and there
is still enough time to change things during this years season.

>>  Don't know how things will proceed - maybe with a revival 
>>  for Helmut Schulte ?
    
This was originally ment as a joke, but everytime I think about it, it
sounds more like a good idea to me: Helmut is still without a contract,
so he would be directly available, his popularity is another important
factor and if the sad story of the lost son (shut out by some corrupt
managers) gets a happy end with his glorious revival this would fit 
well into St.Pauli's ambiente, wouldn't it ? 

With rising curiosity,
Rainer
    

    Heiko,
    
    finally it's so far ; I am in Hamburg 23/24 Octobre ( and more). Is
    there a game in the Millerntor ?
    
    John

    
    Hi John,
    
    Luckily I read your reply. I am at work for only 4-6 hours a week these
    days, as I am having the first exam for my diploma on Monday, 19th.
    This also means that I don't have too much time to figure it out, but
    you will surely get more news within the next days. 
    
    Bye,
    	Heiko
    

    re: -2
    Hi John,
    I think St.Pauli won't play at home that weekend (23.-25.), because
    their next home match is on 17.10. against Waldhof Mannheim, so they
    probably have to play somewhere else on that date. But I not sure, too,
    so I'll check that until tomorrow.
    
    re: -1
    And all good luck for your examination, Heiko !
    
    Rainer
    

    Mainz v St Pauli (23-25.10.92)
    
    Keith.

    Pity...pity.....
    lots of succes, Heiko,
    
    John

    
    According to out local newspaper St.Pauli may have difficulties in
    fielding an even average side on Sunday in Mainz:
    
    Martin Driller
    	has some stuff in his knee, that will be removed in an operation
    	tomorrow. He will not be allowed to play again before January.
    Karsten Surmann
    	has heavy flu. His doctor has ordered him to stay in bed until
    	tomorrow.
    Bernhard Olck
    	has injured his muscles and can only do light running.
    Leonardo Manzi
    	has not yet recovered from the head-wound he received last weekend.
    Jan Kocian
    	will start to train again today.
    Bernd Hollerbach
    	has had his back 'adjusted' but can't move without pain.
    Dieter Schlindwein
    	has recovered from his muscle problems, started training last week.
    
    
    I think a draw in Mainz would be satisfying.
    
    Rgds,
    	Heiko
    

    "And now the end is near
     and so I'll face the final curtain"
    (Frank Sinatra)
    
    OK folks, my time at DIGITAL is getting near the end, too. I've
    cancelled my job and will start a new career at DETECON, a company
    involved in telecommunication business, as database specialist.
    
    While I will keep my 14 months working for DEC in mind with quite
    mixed feelings, I always will remember besides lot of nice collegues
    this feature of notes conferences. For a strange guy with strange
    interests like me (e.g. a incapable football team as St.Pauli, a kind
    of music which makes normal people earsick - and for which
    "alternative" is a friendlier word) it was a GREAT experience, that
    I've found almost anytime some folks to talk to with similar interests.
      
    The very last goodbye I will keep for the last week of November, when
    I'm back in my office to pack my things.
    
    And now I prepare myself for holidays - Cyprus waits for me!
    
    Rainer  

    
    :-(
    
    Bad news of the week.

>>  Bad news of the week.
    
    Don't be too hasty, the week is still young.
    

    
    Friendly Result:
    
    FC St.Pauli		- Hamburger SV
    	1		- 	2
    
    Manzi	70'	  Bester 17', 83'
    
    A very lousy match with lots of agression on either side, not much like
    a neighborhood friendly. Main event was probably a minor riot of HSV 
    hooligans which lead to St.Paulis proposal to cancel these Hamburgian
    matches until further notice. 
    Heiko

    St. Pauli has another two more players. Hjelm and J�rvinen, both from
    Finland. I think they are playing on a loan (right term?) till the end
    of the season. Hjelm has already been playin in the Bundesliga. 
    
    Anyway, that makes a squad of 26 professionals altogether. Quite a good
    indicator for the desperate situation St.Pauli are in.
    
    Last week St.Pauli drew 0-0 at home against FC Homburg, who are a
    mediocre side when they're having a good day. They didn't. FC Homburg's
    goalie Peter Eich is (BTW) the brother-in-law of Micky HAM::WITT.
    
    So then. St.Pauli is 18th i.e. a relegation spot. 22:27 goals and 18:26
    pts. Next week they'll travel to Hanover (8th). A point would be great.
    
    St.Pauli's amateur team is top of Verbandsliga Hamburg (43:18/27:5).
    They can possibly miss promotion to 'Oberliga Nord' due to the fact
    that their first team gets relegated to that same league. 
    
    Still, there's hope. For the Fins are reported to have made a really
    good match on Saturday. Even though the defence is utter cr*p, they
    could start scoring now and then.
    
    Heiko
    

    Seems to me we're stuck in a dead end. The equipe is pumped up with
    too many players, which cost lots of money and I don't know whether
    the receipts can equalize that (haven't read the Abendblatt for weeks
    but I don't think the number of visitors is that large as at the start
    of the season).
    
    Generally, it wouldn't be too bad to go back to Oberliga Nord in that
    situation. I prefer to watch my team winning against Holstein Kiel than
    loosing against Unterhaching or Remscheid.
    
    But perhaps this would be the end of it all ? St.Pauli has some
    millions of debts, how to avoid the total bankrupt with some 10,000 DM
    receipts as an amateur club ? 
     
    Hope things won't become that worse than in the late 70's.
    
    Rainer
          

    
    Hannover 96		- FC St.Pauli
    	1		- 	1
    
    Bicici 9'		  Kn�bel 67'
    
    A promosining performance of St.Pauli, with Ari Hjelm as the MoM.
    St.Pauli controlled the match and didn't ever give up but played
    insprired attacking football. And they came back to their original
    virtue: Fight over skills. :-)
    
    The first half of the season is over, St.Pauli scored 23 goals, that is
    exactly one goal per match. Scorers:
    	5:	Kn�bel, Aerdken
    	4: 	Manzi
    	2:	Driller, Gatti, Ottens, Schwinkendorf
    	1:	Kocian
    
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------
    Results 23rd day:
    
    Duisburg		- Braunscheig	2:2
    Jena		- Fort.K�ln	1:2
    Mannheim		- Wuppertal	1:2
    Remscheid		- Unterhaching	0:3
    Wolfsburg		- D�sseldorf	1:1
    Freiburg		- Osnabr�ck	2:0
    Stuttgarter K.	- Oldenburg	3:1
    Chemnitz		- Rostock	1:0
    Hannover		- St.Pauli	1:1
    Meppen		- Darmstadt	1:1
    Mainz		- Leipzig	1:3
    Homburg		- Hertha BSC	PP
    
    Table:			Goals	Pts
     1. SC Freiburg		51:24	36:10
     2. Fortuna K�ln		33:13	31:15
     3. MSV Duisburg		34:19	31:15
     4. VfB Leipzig		37:23	31:15
     5. Hansa Rostock		32:19	28:18
     6. Waldhof Mannheim	30:30	26:20
     7. SV Meppen		19:22	26:20
     8. Hannover 96		36:34	25:21
     9. Wuppertaler SV		33:24	24:22
    10. Chemnitzer SC		26:26	24:22
    11. Carl-Zeiss Jena		33:31	23:23
    12. VfL Osnabr�ck		33:31	23:23
    13. FC Homburg		28:29	22:22
    14.	FSV Mainz 05		28:34	22:24
    15. Stuttgarter Kickers	28:32	20:26
    16. VfL Wolfsburg		36:41	20:26
    17. FC St.Pauli		23:28	19:27	  
    18. Eintracht Braunschweig	42:48	19:27	!\
    19. VfB Oldenburg		31:44	19:27	! \
    20. Hertha BSC Berlin	33:33	18:26	!  \
    21. SV Darmstadt 98		22:35	18:28	! 7 teams going down
    22. SpVgg. Unterhaching	30:42	16:30	!  /
    23. FC Remscheid		25:44	16:30	! /
    24. Fortuna D�sseldorf	20:37	13:33	!/
    
    Heiko
    

    
    After last week's 1-1 against Eintracht Braunschweig this time it
    was a 0-0 against VfB Leipzig. Another boring and uninspired
    performance. I think St.Pauli has not won a single game since the
    4-1 against Remscheid in October.
    
    Anywau, here's the 2.Bundesliga results and table:
    
    Oldenburg		- Remscheid		2:1
    Stuttgarter Kickers	- Chemnitz		1:1
    Freiburg		- Wolfsburg		1:3
    Braunschweig	- Hertha BSC		1:3
    Leipzig		- St.Pauli		0:0
    Wuppertal		- Homburg		PP
    Fortuna K�ln	- Meppen		1:1
    Unterhaching	- Duisburg		2:1
    D�sseldorf		- Mannheim		2:3
    Rostock		- Mainz			4:1
    Osnabr�ck		- Jena			1:3
    Dramstadt		- Hannover		0:0
    
    
     1. SC Freiburg		61:31	40:14
     2. VfB Leipzig		39:24	36:18
     3. MSV Duisburg		39:23	35:19
     4. Fortuna K�ln		34:18	33:21
     5. SV Waldhof Mannheim	38:34	32:22
     6. FC Hansa Rostock	37:27	30:24
     7. SV Meppen		22:25	30:24
     8. Wuppertaler SV		36:26	28:24
     9. FC Jena			38:33	28:24
    10. Chemnitzer FC		35:32	28:26
    11. Hertha BSC Berlin	44:35	27:27
    12. Hannover 96		37:40	27:27
    13. Stuttgarter Kickers	35:36	26:28
    14. FSV Mainz 05		31:39	25:29
    15. VfL Osnabr�ck		37:40	24:30
    16. VfL Wolfsburg		43:48	24:30
    17. FC Homburg		30:37	23:29
    18. FC St.Pauli		26:31	23:31
    19. VfB Oldenburg		38:56	23:31
    20. Eintracht Braunschweig	46:53	22:32
    21. SV Darmstadt 98		26:39	22:32
    22. SpVgg. Unterhaching	35:46	21:33
    23. FC Remscheid		31:48	21:33
    24. Fortuna D�sseldorf	25:42	16:36
    
    Heiko
    

    
    FC St.Pauli	- Wuppertaler SV
    	2	-	0
    
    Ottens
    Manzi
    
    The first victory after 11 matches or 147 days pushes St.Pauli up
    one notch to position number 17, which actually is the first
    non-relegation spot.
    Phew.
    
    Next match Friday evening at Fortuna K�ln.
    
    Heiko
    

    
    Latest Results ...
    
    Fortuna K�ln	- FC St.Pauli
    	2		-	2
    			  Ottens
    			  Kn�bel
    
    FC St.Pauli		- SpVgg Unterhaching
    	3		-	1
    Kn�bel		  ???
    o.g.
    o.g.
    
    FC Hansa Rostock	- FC St.Pauli
    	2		-	0
    M�rz
    Bodden
    
    Next week:
    FC St.Pauli	- Fortuna D�sseldorf
    D�sseldorf are bottom, a win is a must and could possibly push us up
    one or two notches
    
    Heiko
    

    
    Well Well Well
    
    'tis getting a bit quiet in here for sure.
    
    Last Weekend we had a poor St.Pauli site fighting eagerly but
    nonetheless losing to an equally poor FC Freiburg 0-1.
    
    So we are down to 16th position again. Just one little point from the
    relegation zone. Next weekend to Wolfsburg (18th), while Wuppertal
    (17th) goes to D�sseldorf (21st). Some bad luck could push us down into 
    the relegation spots. Phew.
    Heiko
     

    
    So then, back on a relegation spot again:
    
    2.Bundesliga 39th day; 7 to go
    
    Osnabr�ck	- Fortuna K�ln	1:2
    D�sseldorf	- Unterhaching	2:0
    Hannover	- Rostock	1:1
    Freiburg	- Braunschweig	3:1
    Wolfsburg	- Darmstadt	3:0
    Chemnitz	- Hertha BSC	0:0
    Remscheid	- FC ST.PAULI	1:1
    Mannheim	- Meppen	0:3
    Jena	- Homburg	2:1
    Stuttgart K	- Leipzig	2:0
    Mainz	- Duisburg	1:1
    Oldenburg	- Wuppertal	0:0
    
     1. SC Freiburg		85:46	56:22
     2. MSV Duisburg		60:37	50:28
     3. VfB Leipzig		52:37	49:29
     4. Waldhof Mannheim	56:45	48:30
     5. Fortuna K�ln		49:33	45:33
     6. Hertha BSC Berlin	71:48	44:34
     7. FC Carl-Zeiss Jena	56:48	43:35
     8. Chemnitzer FC		51:43	43:35
     9. FC Hansa Rostock	50:43	41:37
    10. SV Meppen		35:38	40:38
    11. FC Homburg		48:48	39:39
    12. Hannover 96		51:53	39:39
    13. FSV Mainz 05		44:49	38:40
    14. Stuttgarter Kickers	48:48	37:41
    15. Eintracht Braunschweig	63:62	36:42
    16. Wuppertaler SV		42:40	35:43
    17. VfL Wolfsburg		57:63	35:43
    18. FC ST.PAULI		41:48	35:43
    19. SpVgg Unterhaching	47:58	34:44
    20. VfL Osnabr�ck		50:61	32:46
    21. Fortuna D�sseldorf	37:49	31:47
    22. FC Remscheid		40:67	30:48
    23. VfB Oldenburg		47:77	30:48
    24. Darmstadt 98		31:64	26:52
    

    
    A win, once again:
    
    FC St.Pauli	1 - 0 FC Carl-Zeiss Jena
    
    	Hjelm 3'
    
    A perfect goal for Jena was disallowed for being offside, because the 
    linesman didn't notice that ist was Kn�bel and not a Jena player who
    passed the ball to Gerlach of Jena. 
    It was just the same linesman who after the match invited the entire 
    St.Pauli squad to the marriage of his daughter and Ex-St.Pauli player
    Markus "Toni" Sailer.
    
    2.Bundesliga 40th day; 6 to go
    
    Meppen	- Mainz		0:0
    Leipzig	- Freiburg	2:0
    Duisburg	- Hannover	0:0
    Homburg	- Mannheim	1:2
    Darmstadt	- Chemnitz	4:0
    Braunschwg.	- Wolfsburg	0:1
    Hertha	- Remscheid	3:3
    ST.PAULI	- Jena		1:0
    Unterhach.	- Osnabr�ck	1:1
    Wuppertal	- Stuttgart K	1:0
    Fort. K�ln	- Oldenburg	2:1
    Rostock	- D�sseldorf	0:0
    
     1. SC Freiburg		85:48	56:24
     2. MSV Duisburg		60:37	51:29
     3. VfB Leipzig		54:37	51:29
     4. Waldhof Mannheim	58:46	50:30
     5. Fortuna K�ln		51:34	47:33
     6. Hertha BSC Berlin	74:51	45:35
     7. FC Carl-Zeiss Jena	56:49	43:37
     8. Chemnitzer FC		51:47	43:37
     9. FC Hansa Rostock	50:43	42:38
    10. SV Meppen		35:38	41:39
    11. Hannover 96		51:53	40:40
    12. FC Homburg		49:50	39:41
    13. FSV Mainz 05		44:49	39:41
    14. Wuppertaler SV		43:40	37:43
    15. Stuttgarter Kickers	48:49	37:43
    16. VfL Wolfsburg		58:63	37:43
    17. FC ST.PAULI		42:48	37:43
    18. Eintracht Braunschweig	57:63	36:44
    19. SpVgg Unterhaching	48:59	35:45
    20. VfL Osnabr�ck		51:62	33:47
    21. Fortuna D�sseldorf	37:49	32:48
    22. FC Remscheid		43:70	31:49
    23. VfB Oldenburg		48:79	30:50
    24. Darmstadt 98		35:64	28:52
    
    Heiko
    

    
    Just a loss again, even in Hamburg. Relgation spot again, with very
    little hope.
    
    FC St.Pauli 0 - 2 SV Mainz 05
    
    Heiko, I think we may watch St.Pauli playing next year in Hoisdorf.
    
    	Gerd_

    
    MSV Duisburg	- FC St.Pauli	1:0
    
    wellwellwellwell
    
    15. Stuttgart ?	41
    16. Unterhaching	39
    ---------------------------
    17. Braunschweig	38
    18. St.Pauli	38
    
    3 matches to go.
    
    The St.Pauli Amateurs are currently participating in the promotion round
    for Oberliga Nord. They would of course be denied promotion, if their
    first team got relegated to the very same league.
    
    Heiko
    
    

    
    And now the St.Pauli Amateurs:
    
    Promotion Round to Oberliga Nord ( ~3.Bundesliga Nord :-)
    
    Group A
    
    1. Cloppenburg	4:2	5:1
    2. VfB L�beck	3:1	3:3
    3. Wilhelmshaven	1:2	2:4
    4. FC St.Pauli (A)	1:4	2:4
    
    Group B
    
    1. Preu�en Hameln	7:3	5:1
    2. Bremerhaven	5:4	4:2
    3. Concordia Hamb.	9:5	3:3
    4. Heider SV	3:12	0:6
    
    Heiko

    
    According to local press, St.Pauli has managed to get 
    Markus "Toni" Sailer back from MSV Duisburg. Not on a permanent basis,
    however, but on a 1-year-loan for DM 125,000 which manager J�rgen
    W�hling will pay out of his own pocket. 
    
    Good news, I think.
    
    Rgds,
    	Heiko

Goal:	Klaus Thomforde
	Andreas Reinke		(new, ex HSV Amateurs)

Def:	Dirk Dammann
	Dieter Schlindwein
	Joachim Philipkowski
	Torsten Fr�hling
	Sven Tholen		(new)

Midf:	Holger Stanislawski	(new)
	Bernd Hollerbach
	Martino Gatti
	Juergen Gronau
	Andreas Mayer		(new)
	Karsten Hastedt		(new)
	Dirk Zander		(new, ex Dresden)
	Carsten Pr�pper		(new, ex Remscheid)

Att:	Thomas Goch
	Ari Hjelm
	Leo Manzi
	Markus Aerdken
	Martin Driller
	Markus Sailer		(new, ex Duisburg)
	Jens Scharping		(new)

    
    FC St.Pauli		- Chemnitzer FC
    	3			0
    
    Pr�pper
    Driller (2)
    
    Heiko

    
    Zweite Bundesliga, 2nd day
    
     1. VfL Bochum		 3: 0	 4: 0
    	FSV Mainz 05		 3: 0	 4: 0
     3.	FC Homburg		 3: 1	 4: 0
     4.	Fortuna K�ln		 3: 1	 3: 1
     5. Hertha BSC Berlin	 2: 1	 3: 1
     6. FC St.Pauli		 4: 2	 2: 2
    	FC Hansa Rostock	 4: 2	 2: 2
     8.	FC Saarbr�cken		 4: 3	 2: 2
     9.	Rot-Weiss Essen		 3: 2	 2: 2
       	VfL Wolfsburg		 3: 2	 2: 2
    11.	Tennis Borussia Berlin	 1: 1	 2: 2
    	SV Meppen		 1: 1	 2: 2
    13.	TSV M�nchen 1860	 1: 4	 2: 2
    14.	SV Waldhof Mannheim	 1: 2	 1: 3
    15. Hannover 96		 0: 1	 1: 3
    	Wuppertaler SV		 0: 1	 1: 3
    17. FC Carl-Zeiss Jena	 1: 3	 1: 3
    18. Chemnitzer FC		 0: 3	 1: 3
    	Stuttgarter Kickers	 0: 3	 1: 3
    20. Bayer 05 Uerdingen	 0: 4	 0: 4
    

    
    SV Meppen		- FC St.Pauli
    	1			1
    
    Faltin 41'		  Driller 74'
    
    Now ranking 8th.

    
    Tonight an away match against Tennis Borussia Berlin. 
    Why not win, for a change ?
    
    I mean TB are bottom of the league (almost). OK, they were the only
    team so far to take a point from Bochum, but who cares.
    
    TB Berlin	- FC St.Pauli
    
    	1	-	2
    			Stanislawski
    			Manzi

    
    TB Berlin	0 - 0	FC St.Pauli
    
    Nothing to complain about. 
    The radio commentator said it was St.Pauli's 25th consecutive away
    match not lost. What a load of ...
    
    Anyway 7:7 pts is OK
    
    Heiko

    
    Next match is at home against Mainz - they are currently one notch
    above St.Pauli with one (easy) game in hand. 
    
    Not an easy one, but if we get the defense right, a win is absolutely
    possible. Mainz has only conceded 5 goals so far, so I guess it won't
    be a 3-0 again. 
    
    The match is played on Sep 19th. 20:00
    The weekend 11/12 Sep is reserved for the cup
    
    Heiko

    Fortuna K�ln	- FC St.Pauli
    	
    		1	- 	2
    
    First away win after 28 matches or 16 months.
    Phew.
    
    Just FYI	:-)
    
    Heiko

    
    Marcus Marin, on loan from FC Kaiserslautern made his debut this
    weekend. I didn't see it, but local press is abundant with euphoria. 
    Bundesliga dreams are being  heard again.
    
    FC St.Pauli		- FC Homburg		3:0
    	
    Table
    1. VfL Bochum		35:12		31: 9
    2. TSV 1860 M�nchen		28:20		26:12
    3. 1.FC Saarbr�cken		37:35		24:16
    4. FC St.Pauli		24:18		23:17
    5. Bayer Uerdingen		21:19		21:19
    6. SV Meppen		28:27		21:19
    7. VfL Wolfsburg		20:20		21:19
    8. FC Hansa Rostock		30:28		20:18
    .
    .
    .
    Heiko
    		

    Congratulation from a 1860 fan to a St. Pauli fan. That' a very nice
    result. Maybe we have a chance to meet at the big St. Pauli/1860 party
    in April.
    
    Margit
    

    
    What was that with the Pauli/1860 Party ? I haven't heard of it, yet.
    
    And, well, actually I'm not soooooo much a Pauli-fan as far as
    attending the matches is concerned. I kind of follow them on the
    telly and in the Hamburger Morgenpost :-). Also, I don't hate the
    Hamburger SV, as every serious Pauli-fan does :-). 
    
    So, tell me more about that party, please.
    
    Heiko

All the details about the party!!

There is a biiig friendship between the St. Pauli Fans and 
the 1860 fans. So, when St. Pauli played in Munich last 
year, the 60 fans arranged a big party for their friends 
from Hamburg in one of the big Munich beer halls.

In April, 1860 has to play in Hamburg. And apparently big 
preparations are already underway to arrange for an even 
bigger party in Hamburg. Since I will be there anyway, I 
want to see the game and, of course, go to the big fest.

Margit

    FC St.Pauli		- SV Meppen	1:0
    
    ..uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup to 3rd place.
    
    That's a promotion spot, btw.
    
    Heiko

    Yeah...
    Great match against SV Meppen at 7th March.
    The 1:0 at Millerntor means a 3rd place in 2nd League.
    NO "unwiederaufsteigbar" this year!!!
    olli...

    FC St.Pauli - Hannover 96		2:1
    
    	Manzi
    	Driller
    		  Gries
    
    That makes it 10 wins and 4 draws out of the last 14 matches.
    4 points clear to 4th placed 1860 M�nchen.
    
    
    Heiko

    
    Remaining matches of the top five 2.Liga teams
    
    
    Bochum	St.Pauli	Uerding.	Rostock		1860
    ------	--------	--------	-------		----
    Jena (A)	Saarbr(A)	Hannover(A)	Homburg(H)	Wuppertal(H)
    Wuppert(A)	Rostock(A)	Saarbrck(H)	St.Pauli(H)	Essen(A)	
    St.Pauli(H)	1860(H)		1860(A)		Chemnitz(A)	St.Pauli(A)
    Uerding(A)	Bochum(A)	Bochum(H)	Meppen(H)	Uerding(H)
    K�ln(H)	Wuppert(H)	Wuppert(A)	Jena(H)		K�ln(A)
    Hertha(A)	Jena(A)		St.Pauli(H)	Essen(A)	Hertha(H)
    Mannheim(H)	Uerdingen(A)	Jena(A)		Stuttgart(H)	Mannh(A)
    Wolfsbg(A)	K�ln(H)		K�ln(A)		TB Berlin(A)	Wolfsbg (H)
    Homburg(H)	Hertha(A)	Hertha(H)	Mainz(H)	Homburg(A)
    Chemnitz(A)	Mannheim(H)	Mannheim(A)	Hannover(A)	Chemnitz(H)
    		Wolfsburg(A)			Saarbrck(H)	Meppen(A)
    
    Heiko

    
    Zweite Bundesliga, 30th day

    	FC St.Pauli		- 	TSV 1860 M�nchen
    			2	-	1
    
    	Marin				Lilienberg
    	Mayer
    
     1. VfL Bochum		51:23	41:17 P
     2. FC St.Pauli		36:23	40:20 P
     3. Bayer 05 Uerdingen	37:27	35:25 P
     4.	TSV 1860 M�nchen	45:36	35:25 
     5.	VfL Wolfsburg		35:31	34:26
     6. FC Hansa Rostock	43:44	32:28 
     7. 1.FC Saarbr�cken	48:54	32:28
     8.	Fortuna K�ln		45:38	31:29
     9.	SV Waldhof Mannheim	35:36	31:29 
    
That makes it 29:5 Points in a row, undefeated for 17 games.
    8 matches to go.
    
    Heiko     

    
    So that was the end of the series.
    St.Pauli's last two defeats have both been against Wuppertal.
    They almost made half of the season undefeated, almost.
    
    Hopefully the morale is still there. Away in Jena next week.
    
    
    Bad news of the day is that goalkeeper Andreas Reinke might be off to
    Kaiserslautern next season. Odd. He has a valid contract until 1995,
    but for 2.Bundesliga only. So if St.Pauli gets promoted, he could go.
    Apparently Kaiserslautern has made a promising offer, although Reinke
    would then be second man behinf Gerry Ehrmann. I wonder if that makes
    sense. Being first man in a second rate team is better than being
    second man in a first rate team (in my book). Money ??
    
    Well  it's just a rumour.
    
    Heiko

    
    I didn't follow the case, but Reinke seems to be gone for sure. The
    newspapers are speaking of Terry Br�utigam as his replacement.
    Br�utigam in playing for Jena right now. He has had four caps for the 
    GDR national team.
    
    Speaking of Jena:
    	St.Pauli lost 1-0 in Jena.
    	One point clear of Uerdingen, still.
    
    	We *can* make it, but I start to doubt....
    
    Heiko

    Come on, don't give up. They'll make it and they deserve it, too. It
    would be a shame to see Uerdingen get promoted. The average number of
    their supporters at home must be less than 4000.
    
    So, I hope St. Pauli beats Uerdingen!
    
    Margit
    

  Well the boys in blue were lucky last night to come away with two poins with
a very late winner..... They are now one behind Uerdingen and two behind St
Pauli.... I agree with margit about Uerdingen... I just Hope that 1860 make it
just to see a real Munich derby...... 

                                                           -dave-

p.s Heiko will the Uerdingen Bochum game be replayed?????? because of the injury
    the Bochum keeper sustained when he was hit by some object thrown by an
    Uerdingen fan.....

    
    re Dave / Bochum-Uerdingen replay
    
    I was discussing this with Gerd_, and he said that Bochum did not 
    ask for a cancellation/replay of that match but rather for a 
    'corrected' result without a replay.
    
    If this is really true (who can be so stupid?�), I doubt they have any
    chance at the DFB Schiedsgericht or whatever the court is named.
    
    
    Heiko
    
    � Maybe they'd rather lose two points than have to play an additional
      midweek match (see what happened to N�rnberg)/

    re .134
    
    I know this is not the proper topic. But after having celebrated with
    Pauli fans on the Reeperbahn 3 weeks ago (St. Pauli / 1860: 2:1), it
    seems ok to put my comment here. Yes, the lions were lucky to win last
    night's game. No, I am not sure, if I want to see them promoted after
    their first season in the second league. On the other hand ...
    
    Margit
    

    
    	After 3 defeats and 1:6 goals in a row - a victory at last. 
    
    	FC St.Pauli	- 	Fortuna K�ln		3:2
    
    	Scharping 5'		de Witt		22'
    	Hjelm	 13'		Niggemeyer	59'
    	Marin    23'pen
    
    	Uerdingen and M�nchen 1860 did win as well, so the situation is
    	practically unchanged.
    
    Heiko

    
    So that was it, I guess. 
    
    If M�nchen 1860 should win against Homburg, St.Pauli will be 4th, one
    point behind.
    
    With the remaining matches it looks pretty dull:
    
    	Uerdingen		M�nchen			St.Pauli
    	---------		-------			--------
    	Bochum   (H)		
    	Hertha   (H)		Chemnitz (H)		Mannheim  (H)
    	Mannheim (A)		Meppen   (A)		Wolfsburg (A)
    
    
    
    Heiko

    
    Wolfsburg will be playing without Sigi Reich, their top scorer.
    
    Thumbs up for St.Pauli. 
    
    
         Jetzt geht's lohos! Jetzt geht's lohos! Jetzt geht's lohos!
    
    
    not that I'm against the Lions, but you're only second choice here. 
    
    Heiko

     
    C'mon, you've just been promoted. Don't get greedy :-)

    What would you do? They came so far, actually it would be a shame if
    they didn't get promoted!!!!
    
    But I promise I won't cry, if they don't. Because I think they had a
    fantastic season and didn't disappoint their fans one bit. Yesterday, I
    read in last year's "Kicker Special" (which appeared at the begin of
    the season) what 1860's only goal was. It said: stay in the second
    league at any price. And now: up at the top!
    
    So let's see what happens tomorrow.
    
    Regards,
    Margit
    
    PS. Did St. Pauli somehow arrange for that red card for Wolfsburg's
    striker??
    

    
    Ha! The Lions don't even have a topic of their own in this glorious
    conference. The Kiez-Kickers have, and they're in line with such
    glorious teams as W.B.A., Lithlilillingolorowowow Rose Magic Team and
    Peterborough United FC.   :-)
    
    As for the red card (or is he suspended for his 7th booking) : 
    no influence.
    
    You're surely referring to that DM 50,000 story that made it to the
    media the other day. What a crappy idea. That's plain bribery and I'm
    happy they've realised it, after all.
    
    
    Well there's always next year. I'd like to see 1860, Wolfsburg and 
    Meppen/Leipzig/Brandenburg to get promoted next year. 
    
    St.Pauli are actually not as good as their league position indicates. I
    doubt we could be that succesful in the nexty season. 1860 could. So
    we need to have the luck to get promoted this time, who knows when the
    chance will be there again.
    
    Heiko

    
    Apparently they're expecting 10,000 Loewen for the game in Meppen so
    they've arranged a fest tent in the Market Place.
    "We want to show the Muencheners how nice a place Meppen is"
    
    That's what I call a very good attitude plus keeps the problem of
    policing 10,000 to a manageable task.
    
    No surprises tomorrow PLEEEEEEEEEEASSSSSEEEE....
    
    Dezzz.
                                                    

    FC St.Pauli		- 	Wattenscheid 09
    		      4 - 1
    
    We must be around league position 8 now. Things are beginning to look
    better.
    
    

    
    St.Pauli have to travel to Kaiserslautern in the cup's quarterfinals.
    
    This is about the toughest draw possible :-(. Kaiserslautern
    has won their previous cup (home) matches 6:3 and 7:3. 
    
    Well, now *if* the lads manage to concede just one or two goals ...
    
    Heiko

    I have put all of my hopes on St. Pauli. They can do it, just look at
    the Bayern Amateure. Plus, St. Pauli is doing very well this season,
    they should have loads of self confidence.
    
    Margit
    

    
    A 2:2 draw in K�ln. This means (if I remember correctly) 13:3 point in
    a row, undefeated for 8 matches. 
    Don't have any league details, St.Pauli should be 4th or 5th, I
    suppose.
    
    Heiko

1. VfL Wolfsburg	13  24:11  19
2. Fort.D�sseldorf	13  17:10  16
3. Mannheim		13  17:11  16
4. FC ST.PAULI          13  19:16  16
5. SV Meppen		13  18:16  16
6. Hertha BSC		13  14:11  15

Heribert

    
    Just a quick info:
    
    	FC St.Pauli - FSV Mainz 05
    		3   -    1
    
    
    3rd place now. That's a promotion spot. Wolfsburg (!) and D�sseldorf
    are still ahead.
    
    Heiko

    VfL Wolfsburg	- FC St.Pauli		1:1  (1:0)
    
    Wolfsburg are top of the league, St.Pauli is second.
    
    St.Pauli is in excellent physical shape now, and if they manage
    to take up their great technical and tactical skill from before
    the break they look good for promotion.
    
    And, St.Pauli is unbeaten for 14 matches in a row. 8 victories and
    6 draws. If only the Lions manage to stay in the Bundesliga!
    
    Heiko
    
    

    
    Yaeh Heiko,
    	After a 5-1 drubbing from Dortmund...mind you having seen the
    highlights 1860 deserverd a little more out of the game, their
    finishing left a little to be desired.
    
    Dortmund will be VERY difficult to stop...they're almost unstoppable
    with this Sammer guy ; who must be probably on form the best playmaker
    in Europe today...well that's an IMHO...I haven't seen anyone this
    season to contradict this...  
    
    Regrads,
    
    Dezzz.

    Unbeaten for 15 games.
    
    Next will be away, in Mannheim (who are fourth right now).
    No need to be pessimistic.
    
    Bundesliga, here we come.

    Yeah, it is 15-in-a-row.
    
    I reckon that now St.Pauli has lost in Mannheim (92nd minute goal),
    they should be up for a victory in Kaiserslautern in the Cup.
    
    Bad news is that Hollerbach is injured and will most probably be
    unable to play. He has also been sold to Kaiserslautern for 
    DM 1,700,000. How nice.
    
    Heiko

    
    The Cup is this week isn't it Heiko...who's playing and when..???
    
    Dezzz.

    
    I only know about 
    	BAYERN M�NCHEN AMATEURE    -   VFL WOLFSBURG
    	1.FC KAISERSLAUTERN	   -   FC ST.PAULI
    
    
    St.Pauli is the team to follow, obviously.
    Wolfsburg are top of 2.Bundesliga, a team with very little 
    history (just as the city of Wolfsburg). They were promoted to
    2.Bundesliga just 2 or 3 years ago.
    Bayern M�nchen Amateure is basically Bayern M�nchen Amateure.
    Kaiserslautern is some minor Bundesliga team. Champion 92/93, currently
    4th. Should be possible for St.Pauli.

Saw the highlights of FCK v St Pauli last night - do St Pauli usually play 
without a defence?! Sorry, but their back four looked half asleep for most of 
the goals . . .

grahame

    I didn't see it.
    Just for the record, their defense is one of the best in 2.Bundesliga.
    But I recall they were having lineup problems due to injuries.
    
    Heiko

     
    FC St.Pauli	- SV Meppen		2:1
    
    League pos. 2
    

    
    Does anyone know of a pre-season friendly between St. Pauli and Celtic.
    
    I read something about it in Wednsedays View.
    
    Choppers

    
    
    According to the View, they will meet during a pre season tour
    of Switzerland.
    
    Colm.
    

    
    I heard that they'll play them In Switzerland in the pre-season. I read
    it in the View !
    
    

    
    Great!
    
    

    FC St.Pauli	- Fortuna D�sseldorf	2:1
    
    Pr�pper
    Sawitchew
    
    
    Apart from being on a promotion spot again, the news is that 1.FC K�ln
    is apparently interested in Pr�pper.
    Now, with Hollerbach going to Kaiserslautern, *I* believe Pauli can't
    afford to lose another of their few (read:2) quality players.
    
    Heiko

    
    1.FC N�rnberg	- FC St.Pauli	1:1
    
    	B�hme '76	  Szubert 17'
    
    Interestingly, the DSF channel showed an entirely black screen until
    halfway through the second half. In the remaining time, St.Pauli had
    two good chances to score, but missed - including an astonishing 
    dive-in header bu Szubert, who apparently miscalculated and buried the
    ball right under his chest. The goal was all empty, though. N�rnberg
    had a couple of *major* chances but luckily (and thanks to Thomforde)
    only scored once.
    
    So, St.Pauli is still on a promotion spot, but Meppen and Wolfsburg are
    both just one point behind with one match in hand. 
    I expect the worst.
    
    Heiko

    Things are looking good again.
    
    After the 5:0 against Zwickau, St.Pauli is up to 2nd place, with the
    best goal difference of all 5 contenders for the last 2 promotion slots
    (taken that Rostock is through).
    
    What can really make you optimistic is the last two remaining matches.
    Away to FSV Frankfurt - they're bottom of the league, then at home 
    against FC Homburg, they're second last of the league.
    
    Now, if L�beck will also make it, that'll be a real joy for the 
    underdeveloped (in football terms) north of the republic.
    
    Heiko

Heiko,

Do You have the date of the German cup final ?

Heribert

    
    I would assume the 24th June.....
    
    Dezzz.

    
     :-)

    5:0! Great result and congratulations to St. Pauli.
    
    Margit
    

    Yes. See you next season. I'm looking forward to it.

    
    Well, give me a better moment to say goodbye.
    
    St.Pauli back in the Bundesliga and L�beck promoted to 2.Bundesliga.
    
    It's just sad that I won't be around to bring to you the news of
    St.Pauli's and L�beck's outstanding successes in professional football,
    because I have finished studying and will start working in M�nster
    starting Monday. (Preu�en M�nster is Regionalliga West, I believe. So
    no match for L�beck and St.Pauli).
    
    I really enjoyed noting here, watching Reading go to Wembley was one
    highlight of many more. And many more to come. I also enjoyed the
    prediction topic. Keep up the excellent work.
    
    Bye and take care,
    Heiko

    
    Cheerio Heiko
    
    	Always interesting to hear about footie in foreign climes. You will
    be missed.
    
    Malc.
    

Bye , I wish You a good future.

Heiko, mach's gut und viel Erfolg in der Zukunft. 
Gr��e aus Wien, Heribert

    
    All the best Heiko...
    
    Dezzz.
    

        OK, so let me take over for Heiko,

    St.Pauli got the first win in their first Bundesliga match this season,
    defeating the Lions (1860 M�nchen) by 4-2 in Hamburg, now leading the
    table...

    Didn't see the game, but it must have been a great party... 
    maybe some more comments from Margit...

    L�beck lost their first game in the 2.Bundesliga...

	Gerd_