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    Anybody know when league play starts and who will be Inter' opponent
    the first week?
    
    Thanks,
    JC

    The Italian League will start the first of September.
    The "MAGIC" Inter will play at home against Foggia.
    
    Ciao,
    GN

		Hi,

	ASCOLI - MILAN		0:1 Benetti (A) aut.
	BARI - TORINO		1:1 Mussi (T), Platt (B,pen)
	CAGLIARI - SAMPDORIA	3:2 Silas (S), Francescoli (C pen), Mancini (S)
				    Francescoli (C), Herrera (C)
	GENOA - CREMONESE	2:0 Bortolazzi, Aguilera
	INTER - FOGGIA		1:1 Baiano (F), Ciocci (I)
	JUVENTUS - FIORENTINA	1:0 Casiraghi
	LAZIO - PARMA		1:1 Nava (P aut), Osio (P)
	NAPOLI - ATALANTA	1:0 Zola
	VERONA - ROMA		0:1 Muzzi


	GENOA		2	BARI		1
	CAGLIARI	2	INTER		1
	MILAN		2	LAZIO		1
	ROMA		2	ATALANTA	0
	JUVENTUS	2	FIORENTINA	0
	NAPOLI		2	ASCOLI		0
	FOGGIA		1	VERONA		0
	PARMA		1	SAMPDORIA	0
	TORINO		1	CREMONESE	0

						Massimo

	Hi,

	Milan - Cagliari	1:0 VanBasten (pen)
	Roma - Inter		0:1 Matthaus (pen)
	Foggia - Juventus	0:1 Schillaci
	Torino - Lazio		0:1 Sosa
	Fiorentina - Genoa	3:1 Faccenda(F),Batistuta(F),Aguilera(G pen)
				    Maiellaro
	Parma - Bari		1:0 Minotti
	Atalanta - Ascoli	1:1 Pergolizzi(Asc),Perrone(At)
	Sampdoria - Verona	2:0 Cerezo, Vialli
	Cremonese - Napoli	0:0	
	

	MILAN		4	SAMPDORIA	2
	JUVENTUS	4	FIORENTINA	2
	LAZIO		3	BARI		1
	NAPOLI		3	ATALANTA	1
	PARMA		3	ASCOLI		1
	INTER		3	FOGGIA		1
	GENOA		2	TORINO		1
	CAGLIARI	2	CREMONESE	1
	ROMA		2	VERONA		0

					Massimo

	Hi all,

	Italy Cup ----> second round
	
	Modena - Sampdoria	0:3 (1:3) Silas, 2Pari
	Reggiana - Napoli	0:0 (0:1)
	Cesena - Fiorentina	1:3 (1:2) Orlando(F),Piraccini(C aut),Amarildo
					  (C), Batistuta(F)
	Foggia - Pisa		1:1 (1:2) Rambaudi (F), Ferrante (P)
	Brescia - Milan		1:2 (0:2) F.Galli(M), VanBasten(M),Passiatore(B)
	Ancona - Torino		1:1 (1:4) Tovalieri (A pen), Venturin (T)
	Padova - Atalanta	2:1 (1:3) Franceschetti(P), Bianchezi (A pen),
					  Galderisi (P pen)
	Como - Cremonese	1:0 (0:0) Seno
	Ascoli - Bari		1:3 (1:2) Giordano (A pen),Platt (B),Joao Paulo
					  (B), Caccia (B)
	Lucchese - Roma		1:2 (0:1) Muzzi(R),Giannini(R), ?
	Palermo - Parma		1:2 (0:0) Grun(PAR), Desensi(PAL), Melli(PAR)
	Genoa - Taranto		2:1 (1:0) after overtime Giacchetta(T), 2 Agui-
					  lera(G)
	Verona - Lecce		5:0 (0:1) 2Icardi, Fanna, Stojkovic, Lunini
	Lazio - Andria		3:2 (2:0) Mastini (A), 2Sosa (L), Ercoli (A),
					  Melchiori (L)
	Juventus - Udinese	3:0 (0:0) Marocchi, Baggio, Casiraghi
	Casertana - Inter	2:2 (0:1) D.Baggio (I),Matthaus (I),Esposito (C)
					  Serra (C)

	These are the matchs of the next round (30/10, 20/11)

	Sampdoria - Bari
	Napoli - Roma
	Parma - Fiorentina
	Pisa - Genoa
	Verona - Milan
	Torino - Lazio
	Atalanta - Juventus
	Inter - Como

	Como is the first team of C1 (third division) that pass two rounds
	in Italy Cup.


						Massimo

    Can't remenber all yesterday's results but there were some noteworthy
    events in the chase for the scudetto.
    
    Inter were awarded four (!) penalties against Verona and failed to
    score directly from three of them. The goalie saved the first, then the
    second, but couldn't hold it, fly kicked it and it landed on somebody's
    head and went in the net. The third went a mile wide and the fourth
    went in. Two were of the Anfield variety, the ref almost blowing before
    the player made his elegant dive.
                            
    Napoli scored the greatest own goal ever, a superb cross from way out
    on the right wing past a standed goalie.
    
    Peter 

    slight mistake... *stranded* goalie..
    
    P

	BARI -  SAMPDORIA	1:1 Vialli(S),Platt(B)
	CAGLIARI - ROMA		0:1 Herrera(C aut)	
	CREMONESE - TORINO	0:2 Venturin, Scifo
	FIORENTINA - FOGGIA	1:2 Faccenda(F),Petrescu(Fo),Codispoli(Fo)
	GENOA - ASCOLI		1:0 Aguilera(G pen)
	INTER - VERONA		2:0 Desideri, Desideri(pen)
	JUVENTUS - MILAN	1:1 Casiraghi(J),Carrera(J aut)
	LAZIO - ATALANTA	1:1 Sosa(L), Caniggia(A)
	NAPOLI - PARMA		2:2 Corradini(N aut),Zola(N),Careca(N),Brolin(P)


	INTER		5		TORINO		3
	MILAN		5		FOGGIA		3
	JUVENTUS	5		FIORENTINA	2
	PARMA		4		CAGLIARI 	2
	GENOA 		4		ATALANTA	2
	LAZIO		4		BARI		2
	NAPOLI		4		ASCOLI		1
	ROMA 		4		CREMONESE	1
	SAMPDORIA	3		VERONA		0

	Serious accident for Joao Paulo (Bari), he broke one's leg (tibia and
	fibula). He must be stopped for 4 mounths.

	Record in S.Siro Stadium!!! 4 Penalty-kick!!!!!

	Matthaus -----> stopped by Gregori
	Brehme   -----> stopped by Gregori
	Ciocci   -----> out
	Desideri -----> finally goal

						ciao

    Looks like Platt never stops scoring, eh?
    
    JF

    What a game it was between Juventus vs Milan last Sunday. A bit boring
    at times but plenty of exciting moments and a good game to watch,
    overall. This season promises to be an exciting one with several
    teams having an realistic chance at the title.
    
    Juventus, with Schillaci back in good form, Baggio the play-maker, 
    Julio Cesar leading the defense and Trapattoni molding individuals
    into a team appears ready to make a serious run for the title. Their
    off-season German addition, Reuters was it?, looks a bit unconfortable
    but that's to be expected. Even so, he makes his presence felt.
    
    AC Milan, with pretty much the same team as last year except for
    a youngster named Albertini, I think, they picked up from Padova
    during the off-season, also appears ready to challenge for the title.
    Van Basten, currently injured, started off well and Gullit is healthy
    and playing as well as he ever has.
    
    Napoli seems to have found the fountain of youth as Careca and Alemao
    are once again showing flashes of brilliance. I haven't seen that much
    of Napoli this year but they don't seem to miss Maradona. From the
    highlights it appears they, too, could be a force to contend with.
    
    Inter, my sentimental favorite, are still hurting on defense. Zenga
    has been brilliant, Mathaus and Brehme are the best in the world 
    at their position, but Klinsman(SP?) is inconsistent. With a bit a luck
    and generous referees (4 peanlties/game) they could sneak up on the 
    other teams and steal the title. They'll miss Trapattoni.
    
    Sampdoria, I imagine will be focusing on the European Champions Cup
    and that should take most of their energy. In a league as competitive
    as Italy I don't think its realistict to expect them to repeat, although
    other have done it. Besides, they didn't make any significant acquisitions
    in the off-season. They, along with Inter has benefited from generous
    referees so far this season.
    
    So, here goes my predictions:
    
    1) AC Milan
    2) Juventus
    3) Inter
    4) Napoli
    5) Sampdoria
    
    JC

    
    Milan and Juventus are away from the european competitions. Milan has
    been banned for one year, Juve didn't qualify for any cup.
    This is very important for the italian championship, so that the
    further they get into the matches the more will take advantage of this.
    It's very easy to predict Milan and Juventus as winner and runner-up (I
    don't know in which order).
    Napoli as well is away from Europe, but I don't think they have the
    possibility to win the title.
    
    forza Milan
    
    Giuseppe
    
    

	ASCOLI - LAZIO	       1:4 Doll(L),Giordano(A),2 Sosa(L),Bergodi(L)
	ATALANTA - JUVENTUS    0:0
	FOGGIA - CAGLIARI      3:1 Rambaudi(F),Codispoti(F),Baiano(F),Criniti(C)
	MILAN - FIORENTINA     1:1 Maiellaro(F), VanBasten(M pen)
	PARMA - CREMONESE      1:1 Neffa(C),Agostini(P)	
	ROMA - GENOA	       0:0
	SAMPDORIA - INTER      4:0 Mancini,Vialli,2 Lombardo
	TORINO - NAPOLI	       0:0
	VERONA - BARI	       2:1 Prytz(V),Loseto(B aut),Calcaterra(B)


	LAZIO		6	INTER		5
	MILAN		6	TORINO		4
	JUVENTUS	6	FIORENTINA	3
	SAMPDORIA	5	ATALANTA	3
	FOGGIA		5	BARI		2
	PARMA		5	CAGLIARI	2
	GENOA		5	VERONA		2
	NAPOLI		5	CREMONESE	2
	ROMA		5	ASCOLI		1

    Inter were comprehensively thrashed by Samp, with Mancini and Vialli
    getting world-class goals. Milan didn't look too hot against Fiorentina
    and Juventus were fairly poor as well. Not exactly a memorable day.
    
    Peter 

    Ref: -1
    
    I think Lombardo's goal goal was also a top class. It was tough sitting
    on the couch watching Inter get trashed. They created the first real
    scoring opportunity of the game at about the 5 minute mark and i don't
    recall them creating any other chances. The Sampdoria counter attacks
    made the Inter defenders look like amateurs.
    
    JC

    I thought Lombardo's performance all round was brilliant. He reminds me
    of B. Charlton, and not just 'coz he's bald!! The man has a tremendous
    shot and he made Viallis goal as well I think. He's only 25, but looks 
    about 40. 
    
    
    		Steve

    I thought both of his goals were quality shots. What surprises me the
    most about Sampdoria is the play of Cerezo. He's supposed to be old and
    worn out but I guess someone forgot to tell him that. He appeara to be
    the stability and ispiration of the team. Sampdoria no doubt saw
    something in him that others did not. I watched Sampdoria twice this
    year, once for the Euro Champions cup and last week's trashing of
    Inter, and they looked very, very good. Nevertheless, I still pick them
    to finish 5th in the league.
    
    JC
    
    

	CAGLIARI - TORINO	0:1 Scifo
	CREMONESE - ATALANTA	1:2 Stromberg(A),Dezotti(C pen),Bianchezi(A)
	FIORENTINA - ROMA	0:1 Salsano(R)
	FOGGIA - PARMA		1:1 Signori(F),Melli(P)
	JUVENTUS - BARI		2:0 Baggio(pen),Kohler
	LAZIO - INTER		0:1 Ferri
	MILAN - GENOA		Suspending for rain at 48' (1:0 Evani)
	NAPOLI - VERONA		3:1 Crippa(N),Careca(N),Padovano(N),Prytz(V)
	SAMPDORIA - ASCOLI	4:0 Lombardo,Vialli(pen),Mancini,Vialli

	JUVENTUS	8	PARMA		6
	SAMPDORIA	7	GENOA		5
	NAPOLI		7	ATALANTA	5
	ROMA		7	FIORENTINA	3
	INTER		7	CAGLIARI	2
	LAZIO		6	BARI		2
	FOGGIA		6	CREMONESE	2
	MILAN		6	VERONA		2
	TORINO		6	ASCOLI		1

					Massimo

    Interesting call by the referee in the Lazio vs Inter match. Lothar
    Mathaus collected the ball just on his side of midfield and after
    a brilliant display of ball control, faked a few lazio players, 
    made a great run and had only the goalie to beat when the referee
    blew the whistle to end the first half. 
    
    In the Sampdoria game I think Vialli and Mancini scored 2 goals each.
    Lombardo's goal was called back for offside. This according to 90
    minuto.
    
    JC

    Actually, Mancini's first goal was given to Lombardo as Mancini ducked
    instead of heading the cross and fooled the goalie.
    
    
    Peter

    Why was the Milan game cancelled due to rain at 48'?? It must have been
    raining very badly, since they usually play in all kinds of weather.
    Also, what about re-scheduling the match? It might be difficult, since
    Inter also plays at San Siro and there is a game every week?
    
    Tom 

    The Milan game was suspended due to poor pitch conditions at San Siro.
    As of yesterday no make up date has been announced.
    
    This Wednesday, 3:30 PM EST, Inter vs Boavista live on RAI.
    
    JC
    
     

	.RE 20   
	> Why was the Milan game cancelled due to rain at 48??

	I'm sorry.... 
	Yes, have been raining very badly and the pitch was
	not able to drain all the water.....
	Today the whether is good and there's not problem for next
	Inter's matchs (wednesday against Boavista and Sunday 
	against Fiorentina).
	It's very difficult to find a date for Milan vs Genoa.......
	Genoa this year play in European Cup, Milan has different National
	player (Maldini, Donadoni) and Under 21 National Player (Albertini...),
	there are Italy cup matchs......
	The match might be play also in 1992!!!!
	Salvemini (trainer of Bari) resigned and Boniek is new trainer.
	

					Bye 
						Massimo

	Hi,

	Fiorentina has a new trainer: Gigi Radice.

					Bye

    RAI's Telegiornale last night announced the date for the Milan-Genoa
    game. Will they replay the entire game or pick up where they left
    off? 
    
    Just to add a bit more as to why the game was called: The referee
    picked up the ball, dropped it on the pich and there was no bounce
    whatsoever. The picth was covered by what appeared to be at least
    2-3 inches of water. Looks like the drainage system , if they have one,
    was poorly designed. 
    
    
    Also,
    
    Did anyone catch this week's moviola? Its shows Cioci was offsides
    when Berti scored against Lazio, that Lombardo took a perfect (10)
    dive and got a penalty awarded for one on Sampdoria's goals and
    replayed that terrible call that ended the first half of Lazio-Inter
    as Lothar Mathaus had broken in all alone and had a team mate also
    alone to his left. 
    
    JC
    
     
    

		Hi,
	RE. 24
	
>	RAI' Telegiornale....

	see notes 20.23

> 	Will they reply......

	They reply the entire game... and the people must buy a new ticket
	because the match was suspended in the second half.
	
	Ahi Ahi JC.... Ferri scored for Inter and not Berti!!!!
	If Ciooci was in offside , was a PASSIVE offside.

					Bye

						Massimo

		Hi,

	Re. 25

	Opssss for news about date for Milan - Genoa see 20.22 and not 
	20.23
	
				Bye 
						Massimo

    Hi Massimo,
    
    What a rip-off, buying another ticket, I mean....
    
    Anyway, Cioci was offsides by a mile but, as you said, he had nothing
    to do with the play. He was just standing there to the right of the
    goalie. RAI did announce a date for the rematch. I don't remember the
    exact date but I think it was sometime in October.
    
    Ciao,
    JC

	Hi JC,

	RE .27

> What a rip......

	Berlusconi (Milan President) was contrary buying a new ticket, but
	SIAE (Italian Company for royalties) imposed to buy a new ticket.
	The prices for new match are very popular.
	When a match is suspendend after the first half you MUST buy another
	ticket. I don't know if this's a FIGC (Italian Federation) rule or
	FIFA (International Federation) rule.

> RAI did announce...

	I can confirm you that there's no official date for rematch.
	Capello (Milan trainer) in a RAI interview PROPOSED 16 October.
	I think that if Genoa will lost with Oviedo in UEFA Cup, 16 October
	might be the date more reasonable.
		
				Bye 
						Massimo

	

    Thanks Massimo,
    
    I'm glad the entire game has to be replayed. Maybe Genoa will get lucky
    and beat Milan, which is always nice to see when you're an Interista,
    as I am.
    
    Question:
    What happened to Lazaroni and Fiorentina? Was he fired, resigned, what?
    They seemed to be playing better then last year but simply having
    little or no luck scoring goals. It seems to me a bit early in the
    season to throw in the towel and start making coaching changes.
    But, what the hell. They're not going to win the league, anyway, and
    are unlikely to be relegated. Will Lazaroni return to lead Brasil'
    national team? I know folks in Brasil are not very happy with Falc�o.
    
    
    JC
    
    

    Thought I might as well as my two peneth worth to the Milan V Genoa
    debate.
    
    A friend of mine stopped off in Milan on her way to see Arsenal in
    Austria.  She's a big Genoa fan.  How do you think she felt?
    
    Needless to say, she won't be going to the rescheduled game.
    
                              Mike
    

    
    The date for Milan-Genoa seems likely to be Sunday November 10th. On
    that day the championship is stopped because of a match that the
    national team will play on November 13th.
    If Milan will not win I get angry.
    
    For J.C. Chaves :
    
    Which country are you coming from ?
    Why are you an Inter fan ? Your choice could be better
    I've been reading your replies for one year. Why do make so many
    mistakes with names of Inter scorers ?
    
    your friend Giuseppe
    
    
    

    Ref: last
    
    I'm always sneaking into notes whenever I have a few minutes, usually
    between meetings, etc, and thus the mistakes. Why am I an Inter fan?
    Good question. Its certainly not because of what they've done on the
    field in the last few seasons. My first football love is Benfica. If
    they're not involved then I like Inter, Manchester United and Glasgow
    Celtic. In all cases my love for these teams goes back to the 1960's.
    I follow Inter much closer then the others, including Benfica, because
    I've had access to live Italian league telecasts and news for a few 
    years.
    
    JC

What happened yesterday?  Results? Tables?

F.

    
    ATALANTA  MILAN    0 2
    GENOA     JUVE     2 1
    INTER     FIORENT. 1 1
    PARMA     SAMPD.   2 1
    BARI      CREMON.  0 0
    VERONA    CAGLIARI 2 0
    ASCOLI    NAPOLI   1 4
    ROMA      LAZIO    1 1
    TORINO    FOGGIA   3 1
    
    NAPOLI   9
    TORINO MILAN JUVE PARMA ROMA INTER 8
    SAMPD. LAZIO GENOA 7
    FOGGIA 6
    ATALANTA 5
    FIORENT. VERONA 4
    BARI CREMONESE 3
    CAGLIARI 2
    ASCOLI 1
    
    
    SERIE B
    
    AVELLINO REGGIANA    2 1
    CASERTANA UDINESE    0 0
    CESENA  BOLOGNA      1 0
    LUCCHESE PADOVA      1 1
    MESSINA BRESCIA      0 2
    MODENA  COSENZA      2 1
    PALERMO LECCE        1 0
    PISA  PESCARA        2 0
    TARANTO ANCONA       0 0
    VENEZIA PIACENZA     0 1
    
    REGGINA PESCARA 9
    BRESCIA ANCONA UDINESE LECCE 8
    CESENA PIACENZA 7
    COSENZA AVELLINO BOLOGNA CASERTANA 6
    PISA MODENA 5
    PALERMO LUCCHESE TARANTO PADOVA 4
    MESSINA VENEZIA 3
    

    Does anyone know who the following players play for and how they are
    getting on......
    
    Favalli, Rossini, Siroti, Maspero, Galetti???
    
                                             Mike

    
    I know only that Favalli is a player of CREMONESE

	Hi,

	This is the scored:

	ATALANTA - MILAN 	0:2 VanBasten(pen),Albertini
	GENOA - JUVENTUS 	2:1 Corini(J pen),Aguilera(G),Bortolazzi(G)
	INTER - FIORENTINA	1:1 Desideri(I),Fiondella(F)
	PARMA - SAMPDORIA	2:1 Minotti(P),Vialli(S pen),Grun(P)
	BARI - CREMONESE	0:0
	VERONA - CAGLIARI	2:0 Fanna,Stojkovic
	ASCOLI - NAPOLI		1:4 Careca(N),Zaini(A),Zola(N),Careca(N),Zola(N)
	ROMA - LAZIO		1:1 Riedle(L),Rizzitelli(R)
	TORINO - FOGGIA		3:1 Policano(T),Lentini(T),Scifo(T),Baiano(F)

	re. 35 Favalli play in Cremonese and is a great defenser.
	       Rossini play in Udinese (Serie B).
	       Maspero last year played in Cremonese or Lecce , but i'm not
	       sure.
	   		
	Last News.......

	Giacomini (Cagliari trainer) was dismissed. New trainer is Mazzone.

						Massimo
	

    Does anybody know which Italian and Spanish teams have 'nursery teams'
    in lower divisions and who they are?

	
	CAGLIARI - INTER	1:1 D.Baggio(I), Fonseca(C)
	CREMONESE - VERONA	3:0 Gualco, Favalli, Dezotti	
	FIORENTINA - BARI	2:0 Dunga,Orlando
	FOGGIA - ASCOLI		1:0 Signori
	LAZIO - GENOA		1:1 Pin,Aguilera
	MILAN - PARMA		2:0 Gullit,VanBasten
	NAPOLI - JUVENTUS	0:1 De Agostini
	SAMPDORIA - ATALANTA	0:2 Bianchezi,Caniggia
	TORINO - ROMA		1:1 Bresciani(T),Aldair(R)


	MILAN		10 	PARMA		8
	JUVENTUS	10	SAMPDORIA	7
	NAPOLI		 9	ATALANTA	7
	TORINO		 9	FIORENTINA	6
	ROMA		 9	CREMONESE	5
	INTER		 9	VERONA		4
	LAZIO		 8	CAGLIARI	3
	GENOA		 8	BARI		3
	FOGGIA		 8	ASCOLI		1

				
				Ciao

					Massimo
			

	re. 38

	In Italy there're not 'nursery teams' in lower division.
	There're some teams that have a particular feeling with 
	big teams. 

				Bye 
						Massimo

    Scores from yesterday, anyone? I only remember Inter 0:0 Napoli.
    This was the televised game. What a boring match.....
    
    JC

    
    ASCOLI  FIORENTINA  0 0
    ATALANTA CAGLIARI 1 1     HERRERA
    BARI MILAN 0 1    MASSARO
    GENOA SAMPDORIA 0 0
    INTER NAPOLI 0 0
    JUVE CREMONESE 2 0   CARRERA  CASIRAGHI
    PARMA TORINO 0 0
    ROMA FOGGIA 1 1    PETRESCU (aut.) SHALIMOV
    VERONA LAZIO 0 2   RIEDLE (2)
    
    MILAN JUVE 12
    ROMA INTER NAPOLI LAZIO TORINO 10
    FOGGIA PARMA GENOA 9
    DORIA 8
    ATALANTA FIORENTINA 7
    CREMONESE CAGLIARI 5
    VERONA 4
    BARI 3
    ASCOLI 2
    

 
   PISA  GENOA  2 0
   ROMA NAPOL1 1 0
   DORIA BARI 1 1
   INTER COMO 2 2
   VERONA MILAN 2 2
   ATALANTA JUVE  0 0
   TORINO LAZIO 2 0
   PARMA FIORENTINA 0 0

	ASCOLI - CREMONESE	1:0 Benetti
	FIORENTINA - CAGLIARI	1:0 Dell'Oglio
	FOGGIA - BARI		4:1 3Baiano(F),Giampaolo(B),Signori(F)
	GENOA - ATALANTA	0:2 Bianchezi,Caniggia
	LAZIO - JUVENTUS	1:1 Alessio(J),Riedle(L)
	MILAN - ROMA		4:1 VanBasten(M),Massaro(M),Rijkaard(M)
				    Carnevale(R),Costacurta(M)
	NAPOLI - SAMPDORIA	2:1 Zola(N),Careca(N pen),Blanc(N aut)
	PARMA -VERONA		1:1 Prytz(V pen),Icardi(V aut)
	TORINO - INTER		0:0


	MILAN		14	FIORENTINA	9
	JUVENTUS	13	ATALANTA	9
	NAPOLI		12	GENOA		9
	LAZIO		11	SAMPDORIA	8
	FOGGIA		11	CREMONESE	5
	TORINO		11	CAGLIARI	5
	INTER		11	VERONA		5
	ROMA		10	ASCOLI		4
	PARMA		10	BARI		3

	Next matchs on 17 November.

					Massimo
	

    
    Hi everybody,
    
    they have decided that Milan-Genoa, which had been suspended because of
    rain, will be played on November 20th.
    
    bye bye
    
    Giuseppe
    
    

    How is David Platt actually playing? Is he performing? Or is it his
    lack of form that has lead to Bari being in trouble??
    
    Tony

    It doesn't seem to matter how many foreigners Bari signs or how great
    they may be. They'll stay in serie A, somehow, but don't count on
    anythimg else, Platt or not.
    
    From the weekly hilites I'd say Platt and Jo�o Paulo has been Bari's
    Best players.
    
    JC

    Hi,
    
    this is the new Italian team, by Arrigo Sacchi (new coacher):
    
    PAGLIUCA (SAMPDORIA) 
    MARCHEGIANI (TORINO)
    
    BARESI, COSTACURTA, MALDINI (MILAN)
    FERRARA (NAPOLI), SERGIO (LAZIO), FERRI (INTER)
    
    BERTI (INTER), DE NAPOLI, ZOLA (NAPOLI), PARI (SAMPDORIA)
    ANCELOTTI (MILAN), DI MAURO (ROMA), MAROCCHI (JUVENTUS), ERANIO (GENOA)
    
    LOMBARDO, VIALLI (SAMPDORIA), CASIRAGHI (JUVENTUS), LENTINI (TORINO)
    BAIANO (FOGGIA), RIZZITELLI (ROMA).
    
    
    As you can see, there are many new players. Furthermore, some famous
    names are not present: Giannini, Zenga, Mancini, Crippa, Schillaci,
    Baggio, Tacconi, De Agostini, Donadoni, Bergomi.
    
    Donadoni and Bergomi could be called in the future, but the other seven
    guys are probably out.
    
    Finally, ALBERTINI (MILAN) and BIANCHI (INTER) aren't in good phisycal
    condition and probably will be called the next time. 
    
    Pino

    
    
    I think that Zenga and Donadoni will be in the national team the next
    time.
    
    Giuseppe

    Does anybody know the results of the matches played last weekend???
    
    Rob

    Here they are :
    
    BARI 1  2 LAZIO
    CAGLIARI 0  0 PARME
    SAMPDORIA 0  2 MILAN AC
    CREMONESE 0  2 FOGGIA
    INTER MILAN 2  1 ASCOLI
    JUVENTUS 1  0 TORINO
    ATALANTA 1  0 FIORENTINA
    VERONE 2  1 GENOA
    AS ROMA 1  1 NAPOLI
    
    MILAN AC (16 points) is 1 point ahead of Juventus

    
    
    MILAN-GENOA on next wednesday.
    
    Maybe Milan will be 3 points ahead of Juventus before the next weekend.
    
    bye bye
    
    Giuseppe
    

    Can anybody tell me more about the Sampdoria-AC Milan game. Who scored, 
    was it a good game???
    
    A Dutch AC Milan fan

I believe it was Sampdoria 0 - 2 AC Milan: Gullit scoring both.

Gordon.

    
    10 min  Milan 0 Genoa 1 Skuravy
    
    

    
    87 min   milan 1 genoa 1  Van Basten (penalty)
    

    Has the milan - genoa game already finished??? 
    Did it stay 1 - 1 ???
    
    Rob
    

    Just a general question: does somebody know how the Dutch trio
    at AC Milan is performing this year???

  <<< Note 20.59 by BONNET::ZIJL "I think I can, I think I can,.....,I did" >>>
                                -< Dutch trio >-

>>    Just a general question: does somebody know how the Dutch trio
>>    at AC Milan is performing this year???

They were doing just fine until Ruud Gullit injured his ankle last wednesday,
he fure sure will be out comming Sunday so let's hope he will play for Holland
in two weeks time against Greece.

T_

    They looked very good when I saw a Milan game a few weeks ago. Gullit
    and Rijkard played superbly, Van Basten proved once again how stupid he
    can be by getting himself sent off, can't remember if it was for
    talking back to the ref.
    
    
    		Steve

	ASCOLI - JUVENTUS	0:2 Kohler, Casiraghi
	FIORENTINA - LAZIO	1:1 Orlando(F), Sosa(pen L)
	FOGGIA - ATALANTA	2:3 Consagra(F aut),Perrone(A),Signori(F),
				    Picasso(F),Perrone(A)
	GENOA - CAGLIARI	2:2 Skuhravy(G),Francescoli(C),Fonseca(C)
			            Caricola(G)
	MILAN - CREMONESE	3:1 Van Basten(M),Gullit(M),Giandebiaggi(C),
				    Fuser(M)
	NAPOLI - BARI		1:0 Giampaolo(aut B)
	PARMA - INTER		1:1 Fontolan(I), Cuoghi(P)
	ROMA - SAMPDORIA	2:0 Rizzitelli, Giannini
	TORINO - VERONA		0:0

	MILAN		19	PARMA		12
	JUVENTUS	17	GENOA		11
	NAPOLI		15	FIORENTINA	10
	LAZIO		14	SAMPDORIA	 8
	INTER		14	VERONA		 8
	FOGGIA		13	CAGLIARI	 7
	ATALANTA	13	CREMONESE	 5
	ROMA		13	ASCOLI		 4
	TORINO		12	BARI		 3

				Bye 

					Massimo

    
    .re last
    
    As far as I remember Kohler (TGK) scored an amazing record of 1 goal in 
    all his league and whatever Bundesliga appearances. Now he has scored
    for Juve with only half a season played.
    
    To illustrate this impovement, which is beyond compare in european
    football, have a look at this table:
    
    	Bundesliga			Italian league
    
    P:	a lot of matches		a handful of matches
    G:		1				1
    
    Quota:	bad			average
    
    Quota/time			VAST  IMPROVEMENT
    
    yours,
    		Heiko
    		    ^
    		    |
    		(not a nickname)
    

    Ref: last
    Juve doesn't need him to score goals. They've got plenty of offense
    without him. I've watched him play quite a few times and he looks to
    be a good player to have on a team. Nothing flashy but always steady
    and seems to keep himself fit. I was surprised to read he only scored
    one goal in the Bundesliga. Hasn't he been around awhile?
    
    JC

    
    RE .61
    
    Van Basten didn't do anything. He has been sent off for mistake.
    The ref didn't admit his incredible mistake, and a lot of polemics
    arose all week long.
    Bye the way they let Van Basten play the following match
    (Sampdoria-Milan 0-2).
    
    bye bye
     
    Giuseppe
    
    

    Who are the top scorers in Italy this season?
    
    Anyone know how Favalli is doing?
    
                                         Mike
    

    reply 67:
    
    I know van Basten is one of them (goals).
    
    Rob

    correction 20.68: I only wrote goals, I meant 7 goals

    
    RE .67
    
    Why do you really need information about Favalli ?
    
    Bye the way, I know that he got injured the last Sunday in
    Milan-Cremonese. It's not a good new, but now it's the only thing I know
    about him.
    
    bye bye
    
    Giuseppe
    
            

	ATALANTA - PARMA 	0:1 Melli
	BARI - GENOA 		1:2 Fiorin(G), Skuhravy(G), Platt(B)
	CAGLIARI - ASCOLI	2:0 2 Fonseca
	CREMONESE - FIORENTINA  1:3 Malusci(F),Batistuta(F),Verdelli(C),
				    Giandebiaggi(C aut)
	INTER - MILAN		1:1 VanBasten(M),Klinsmann(I)
	JUVENTUS - ROMA		2:1 Schillaci(J),Giannini(R),Demarchi(R aut)
	LAZIO - NAPOLI		3-3 Riedle(L),Ferrara(N), Riedle(L),Sosa(L pen),
				    Blanc(N),Zola(N)
	SAMPDORIA - TORINO	0:0
	VERONA - FOGGIA		1:0 Pellegrini D.

	MILAN		20	GENOA		13
	JUVENTUS	19	ROMA		13
	NAPOLI		16	FIORENTINA	12
	LAZIO		15	VERONA		10
	INTER		15	SAMPDORIA	 9
	PARMA		14	CAGLIARI	 9
	FOGGIA		13	CREMONESE	 5
	TORINO		13	ASCOLI		 4
	ATALANTA	13	BARI		 3

					Bye 
						Massimo

    
    CUP return matches
    
    bari SAMPDORIA  2 2
    lazio TORINO    0 0
    napoli ROMA     3 2
    como INTER      1 2
    fiorent. PARMA  1 1
    GENOA  pisa     4 0
    
    JUVE qualified
    MILAN VERONA to be played
    

	ASCOLI -BARI		2:2  Maniero(A),Benetti(A),Soda(B),Platt(B)
	CREMONESE - LAZIO	2:0  Dezotti,Florjancic
	FIORENTINA - VERONA	4:1  Carobbi(F),Batistuta(F),Dunga(F), Matrone
				     (F),Lunini(V)
	FOGGIA - SAMPDORIA	0:0
	GENOA - PARMA 		2:0  Aguilera(G),Cuoghi(P aut)
	JUVENTUS - INTER	2:1  Baggio(J pen),Galia(J),Matthaeus(I pen)
	MILAN - TORINO		2:0  Gullit(M),Massaro(M)
	NAPOLI - CAGLIARI 	4:0  2 Careca, Francini, Padovani(pen)
	ROMA -ATALANTA 		1:1  Bonacina(R),Piovanelli(A)
	
	MILAN		22	ROMA		14
	JUVENTUS	21	PARMA		14
	NAPOLI		18	TORINO		13
	LAZIO		15	SAMPDORIA	10
	GENOA		15	VERONA		10
	INTER		15	CAGLIARI	 9
	FIORENTINA	14	CREMONESE	 7
	FOGGIA		14	ASCOLI		 5
	ATALANTA	14	BARI		 4


					Bye
						Massimo
	

    Can anybody tell me the scores of the Italian league???
    
    Thanks,
    
    Rob

    
    LAZIO MILAN 1 1
    TORINO FIORENTINA 2 0
    INTER GENOA 2 2
    NAPOLI FOGGIA 3 3
    BARI ATALANTA 0 0
    SAMP JUVE 1 0
    CAGLIARI CREMONESE 0 0
    PARMA ROMA 3 1
    

	
	BARI - ATALANTA		0:0
	CAGLIARI -CREMONESE	0:0
	INTER - GENOA		2:2 Brehme(I),Aguilera(G),Eranio(G),Pizzi(I)
	LAZIO - MILAN		1:1 Riedle(L),VanBasten(M)
	NAPOLI - FOGGIA		3:3 Padovano(N),Careca(N),Signori(F),Careca(N),
				    Shalimov(F),Signori(F)
	PARMA - ROMA		3:1 D Mauro(R),Nela(R aut),Osio(P),Melli(P)
	SAMPDORIA - JUVENTUS	1:0 Katanec
	TORINO - FIORENTINA	2:0 Lentini,Scifo
	VERONA -ASCOLI		1:0 Pin



	MILAN		23 	ATALANTA	15
	JUVENTUS	21	FIORENTINA	14
	NAPOLI		19	ROMA		14
	LAZIO		16	SAMPDORIA	12
	GENOA		16	VERONA		12
	PARMA		16	CAGLIARI	10
	INTER		16	CREMONESE	 8
	FOGGIA		15	BARI		 5
	TORINO		15	ASCOLI		 5

					bye
						Massimo

    Foggia are obviously the suprise team of the season, and certainly the
    best of the promoted teams.  Why are they doing so well?
    From what I have seen, Baiano and Signori look good, with Baiano rated
    the top centre forward this season by "La Gazzetta dello sport".  I
    also notice that Shalimov is rated the best midfielder.
    
                                             Mike

    It seems every year one of the promoted teams does well. I've seen
    Foggia twice this year, plus the weekly hilites. I'm impressed in
    particular with their speed and quickness on the attack. Although
    Baiano and Signore get most of the press Foggia is not a 2 men team.
    They play well as a unit and their coach has done an outstanding job
    getting his players ready to play every week. 
    
    When its all said and done, however, it will be a dog-fight to the end 
    between A.C. Milan and Juventus for the league title. Inter and Napoli
    have perhaps an outside chance, but it will take a small miracle.
    
    JC

    > Inter and Napoli
    > have perhaps an outside chance, but it will take a small miracle.
    
    As you say, I heard this morning that AC Milano beat Napoli 5-0 this
    week end. !!!

    
      I saw the Milan-Napoli game yesterday.Milan were brilliant.It looks a
    two horse race now between themselves and Juventus who also won
    yesterday.Milan are 6 points clear of the third placed club.with
    Juventus 4 points clear.
    
      David Platt's Bari got there first win of the season yesterday.
    
    Dave...

    
    MILAN NAPOLI  5 0
    FIORENT. SAMPD 1 2
    BARI CAGLIARI 1 0
    ASCOLI ROMA 1 1
    GENOA TORIN0 1 1
    VERONA ATALANTA 0 0
    JUVE PARMA 1 0
    LAZIO FOGGIA 5 2
    

    Do you have the Inter - Cremonese score?
    
    

   <<< Note 20.82 by QETOO::CHAVES "Benfica & United will win the double" >>>

��    Do you have the Inter - Cremonese score?

Match was abandoned after 65 minutes due to fog. Score was 0 : 0 at the time.

�rian.
 
    
    

	CAGLIARI - JUVENTUS	1:1 Baggio(J),Filicano(C)
	FOGGIA - GENOA		1:0 Petrescu(F)
	INTER - BARI		1:0 Klinsmann(I)
	NAPOLI - FIORENTINA	1:0 Crippa(N)
	PARMA - ASCOLI		2:0 Melli(P),Minotti(P)
	ROMA - CREMONESE	3:0 2 Voeller, Aldair
	SAMPDORIA - LAZIO	1:0 Vialli
	TORINO - ATALANTA	1:1 Policano(T),Piovanelli(A)
	VERONA - MILAN		0:1 Icardi(V aut)

	MILAN		27	GENOA		17
	JUVENTUS	24	ROMA		17
	NAPOLI		21	SAMPDORIA	16
	LAZIO		18	FIORENTINA	14
	PARMA		18	VERONA		13
	INTER		18	CAGLIARI	11
	TORINO		17	CREMONESE	 8
	FOGGIA		17	BARI		 7

							Massimo

    
     repl -1 
     
     ATALANTA and ASCOLI missing
    

    
    10  Riedle (Lazio) Van Basten (Milan)
    9   Careca (Napoli)
    8   Aguilera (Genoa)  Vialli (Doria)
    7   Baiano Signori (Foggia)  Zola (Napoli)
    6   Sosa (Lazio)
    5   Platt (Bari) Casiraghi (Juve) Gullit (Milan)
    
    

    
    I asked this question too in the Quiz topic but maybe somebody here can
    help.  
    
    Can anybody tell me who played in the 1958 W.C. finals for Brazil and
    in the 1962 finals for Italy under a diffeent name?
    
    Any help would be much appreciated.  I need this to enter a
    competition.
    
    Gary.

    
    RE -1
    
    Altafini ?
    

    
    Altafini was probably too young in 58.
    (I remember he was playing for Chiasso Div 1 Suisse
     in 1982)
    
    Try with VINICIO  (I really dunno, but it fits)
    
    Ciao

    
    Re -1, & -2,
    
    Thanks, did he play with Brazil in 1958?  He would have to have been
    Brazilian or at least playing in their league.
    
    My guess is that it's a Brazilian that moved to Italy after the 58
    World Cup and then declared for Italy.  Is Vinicio Brazilian?
    
    Thanks for the help.
    
    Gary.

    
    Louis Vinicio (and a lot of other names as it is usual
                   for brasilian people)
    

    
    That's great.  Much appreciated.
    
    It's a good question and one I'd never heard before.
    
    Gary.

    
    I've just got a mail message that claims the anwer is Altafini. 
    Apparently he played under the name of Mazzola for Brazil.
    
    Did he play in 58?
    
    I'm totally baffled now.
    
    Gary.

I remember Jose Altafini playing for Juventus in the early/mid seventies.
He retired from Juventus in '75 or thereabouts, and he was 36 years old.
That makes him 19 in '58....very possible.

It also makes him 43 in '82, which is old to be playing division 1 football
in Switzerland or anywhere else.  Maybe there are several Altafinis?  Then
again, how old is Roger Milla?

F.

    
    Gary,
    
    I think is Altafini. He played for A.C. Milan, Napoli and Juventus.
    He won the champion cup with Milan in 1963. He played in the 1958
    Swedish world championship for Brazil. As a young player in Brazil his
    name was Mazzola.
    
    bye bye
    
    Giuseppe
    

    A.C. Milan continues to dominate. Yesterday they beat Foggia 3:1 on
    three goals by Marco Van Basten, 2 from the penalty spot.....Great
    goal by Schillaci in Juventus's 2:0 win over Verona....Atalanta beat
    Inter 1:0. After the match Inter's coach Orrigo announced he will
    resign his post.....Napoli won 4:3 to keep its slim hopes alive.
    
    JC

    
    ...........and David Platt scored both goals as Bari came from one 
    behind to beat Roma 2-1.
    
    Dave...

    
     ASCOLI TORINO 0 4   (DE SISTI: Ascoli trainer will be substituted)
     JUVE VERONA 2 0
     ATALANTA INTER 2 0  the spanish man SUAREZ will be the new trainer
     MILAN FOGGIA 3 1
     FIORENTINA PARMA 1 1
     LAZIO CAGLIARI 2 1
     BARI ROMA 2 1
     CREMONESE DORIA 0 1
     GENOA NAPOLI 3 4
    
    MILAN 39
    JUVE 36
    

    
    sorry ATALANTA INTER 1 0
    

    
    Atlanta played really well, (or maybe it was just that Inter were
    trerrible), especially that number 11!
    
    		Steve

    Ref: last
    
    That number 11 is none other than Klinsmann. He was unlucky yesterday.
    Twice the Atalanta keeper robbed him.

    Playing for Atlanta? I doubt it JC!

    Sorry, I meant number 11 for Inter.
    
    JC

    
    number 11 for inter was FONTOLAN not Klin.
    

    You're right. Last night I was watching the tape with a friend and
    not only are you right, it was Zenga robbing Atalanta and not the other
    way as I thought. Oh well...I suppose I should watch it on Sunday
    mornings and not at midnight after a few cold ones.
    
    Also,
    
    The new Spanish trainer for Inter. Where did he come from?
    
    JC

    
    He has been the Spain trainer at ITALIA90
    
    He has been the inter trainer in 74 (Inter finished 9th)
    
    He played for inter in 196* 
    

    
    MILAN ASCOLI 4 1
    FIORENTINA JUVE 2 0
    TORINO BARI 1 0
    CREMONESE GENOA 2 1
    DORIOA CAGLIARI 1 1
    PARMA LAZIO 1 0
    ROMA VERONA 1 0
    FOGGIA INTER 2 2
    
    MILAN 41 
    JUVE 36
    NAPOLI 35

    ....and 
     
     ATALANTA NAPOLI 1 1
    

    
    CREMONESE INTER  0  1  (Klins. 92min.)
    

	ASCOLI - ATALANTA	1:0 Aloisi
	BARI - PARMA		1:1 Di Chiara (P), Fortunato(B)
	CAGLIARI - MILAN	1:4 Bisoli(C),3 Van Basten (M 1 pen),Massaro (M)
	GENOA - FIORENTINA	3:2 Batistuta(F),2 Skuhravy(G),Caricola(G),
				    Batistuta(F)
	INTER - ROMA		0:0
	JUVENTUS - FOGGIA	4:1 3 Baggio(J 2 pen),Petrescu(F),Casiraghi(J)
	LAZIO - TORINO		2:1 Sosa(L pen), Annoni(T), Sclosa(L)
	NAPOLI - CREMONESE	3:0 Zola, 2 Blanc
	VERONA - SAMPDORIA	0:0


	MILAN		33	ROMA		20
	JUVENTUS	28	GENOA		19
	NAPOLI 		26	FOGGIA		18
	LAZIO		22	FIORENTINA	17
	PARMA		22	VERONA		14
	INTER		22	CAGLIARI	12
	TORINO		21	BARI		10
	SAMPDORIA	20	CREMONESE	10
	ATALANTA	20	ASCOLI		 8

						Massimo

    Seems like van Basten really is getting his old form back again, is it
    only because of the team effort or is he more motivated than last
    year???
    
    Thanks,
    
    Rob

    So how was the Italian league this weekend
    
    Rob

    
    Milan 1     Juventus 1
    Van Basten  Dont know(but it was a cracker)
    
    Bari got a 1 1 draw with Sampdoria, Platt carried off and wil be out
    for a month.
    
    Tony

    
    verona inter 1 0
    atalanta lazio 1 0
    milan juve 1 1
    torino cremonese 2 0
    parma napoli 2 1
    ascoli genoa 0 2
    roma cagliari 0 0
    doria bari 1 1
    foggia fiorentina 3 3
    
    
    Milan 34
    Juve 29

    
    Casiraghi scored for Juve.
    
    G�nter

    
    fiorentina milan 0 0
    juve atalanta    2 1
    inter doria      0 0
    bari verona      2 1
    napoli torino    0 1
    cremonese parma  0 1
    lazio ascoli     1 1
    cagliari foggia  2 2
    genoa roma       I can not remember 
    

Does this mean that the standings are:

	Milan	something
	Juve	something -3
	Napoli	something -6

???

F.

    
    MILAN 35
    JUVE  31
    PARMA   
    NAPOLI
    
    That's what I can remember

    
    genoa milan 0 0
    roma fiorentina 1 3
    ascoli doria 0 1
    verona napoli 0 1
    parma foggia 2 0
    bari juve 0 0
    inter lazio 1 0
    torino cagliari 1 0
    atalanta cremonese 1 1  (goal of the goalkeeper of Cremonese at 91 min)
                             
    

How did the Cremonese 'keeper score? Was it a long punt upfield that somehow
bounced over the other keeper's head? Unless he's like the Columbian Hugiuta 
(El Gato Loco), who comes way out of the net and just might make a run upfield,
I don't know of any other way he could score

Tom

    
    he was in the middle of the Atalanta area,
    nobody was "marking" him, so that he had 
    the possibility to score by head on a 
    corner throw.
    

    
    He actually scored with a HEADER!!!
    
    

So we're not talking an own goal (autogol), are we?

F.

  <<< Note 20.124 by GAUSS::FGZ "Federico Genoese-Zerbi -- Flamingo 2D DDX" >>>
                                  -< Re -.1 >-



>>So we're not talking an own goal (autogol), are we?

>>F.

Certainly not, saw it on the box and it looked real nice.


T :-)

    According to yesterday's Times (which had a picture as well!) his team
    was trailing 1-0.  Into injury time and his team won a corner, so he
    jogged up the pitch, and whilst the strikers were being well marked he
    ran through and nutted it in! Hero of the day apparently.
    
    Stevo
    

    
    MILAN ATALANTA   3 1
    FOGGIA TORINO    1 1
    LAZIO ROMA       1 1
    JUVE GENOA       3 0
    DORIA PARMA      2 0
    CAGLIARI VERONA  4 0
    FIORENTINA INTER 1 1
    CREMONESE BARI   1 1
    NAPOLI ASCOLI    5 1
    

    
    ASCOLI FOGGIA    2 0
    PARMA MILAN      1 3
    INTER CAGLIARI   0 0
    VERONA CREMONESE 2 2
    BARI FIORENTINA  1 0
    GENOA LAZIO      1 0
    ROMA TORINO      1 0
    JUVE NAPOLI      3 1
    ATALANTA DORIA   1 1
    

 I just came back from Argentina and the press there is focusing on
how well Gabriel Batistuta is doing at Fiorentina in his first year.
I saw a list of the leading goal scorers in Italy as of early March
and it seems that Van Basten has 20, Careca has 12, and Batistuta 
already has 11.  Can anyone confirm this and give an updated list of
the leading scorers?  If so, Batistuta has caught up very quickly 
since the last update in this topic doesn't even have him in the top
five.  Also, they were saying that quite a few of Van Basten's were
penalty shots (6 or 7?).  


   Paul

I've always wondered about goal scoring titles. It seems that if a player who
takes most of his team's penalties would get a lot of extra goals. If another
player who doesn't take penalties has the same number of goals from the field,
this should count for more. Sure, a goal is a goal, but...  They don't seem to 
keep track of assists as much, and in a lot of ways, the 2 players handling the 
ball before the scorer are more instrumental in creating the goal than the guy
who kicks it in from up close.

Tom

    MILAN BARI    2 0
    FIORENTINA ASCOLI 1 2
    NAPOLI INTER 1 1
    DORIA GENOA 2 2
    CAGLIARI ATALANTA 0 0
    TORINO PARMA 0 0
    CREMONESE JUVE 0 2
    FOGGIA ROMA 1 2
    LAZIO VERONA 2 0    
    

"Capo Cannonieri" (Leading Scorers)
-----------------------------------
Van Basten (Milan)	21 (8)

Baggio (Juventus)	13 (6)

Careca (Napoli)		12 (2)

Batistuta (Fiorentina)  11 (0)
Riedle (Lazio)		11 (0)

Aguilera (Genoa)	10 (2)
Baiano (Foggia)		10 (1)
Skuhravy(Genoa)		10 (0)
Sosa (Lazio)		10 (3)
Zola (Napoli)		10 (0)

-- Number in brackets represent goals scored on penalty kicks.


Serie A Standings after 26 games:

		W	T	L	GF	GA	PTS
Milan		17	9	0	50	14	43
Juventus	16	7	3	37	15	39
Napoli		11	10	5	43	31	32
Torino		9	12	5	23	13	30
Sampdoria	9	11	6	28	20	29
Parma		9	11	6	25	23	29
Inter		7	15	4	21	20	29
Roma		8	12	6	26	25	28
Lazio		8	11	7	33	27	27
Atalanta	8	11	7	21	20	27
Genoa		8	10	8	31	32	26
Foggia		7	9	10	39	44	23
Fiorentina	7	8	11	31	32	22
Cagliari	5	10	11	24	30	20
Verona		7	5	14	16	35	19
Bari		4	9	13	18	33	17
Cremonese	4	7	15	18	37	15
Ascoli		4	5	17	17	50	13


Next Sunday's Serie A fixtures:

	Week 27: 5/4/92

Ascoli		-	Inter
Fiorentina	-	Atalanta
Foggia		-	Cremonese
Genoa		-	Verona
Lazio		-	Bari
Milan		-	Sampdoria
Napoli		-	Roma
Parma		-	Cagliari
Torino		-	Juventus	(Derby)



Serie B, Week 28, Games played Sunday, March 29, 1992:

Avellino	0	Casertana	0
Cesena		2	Piacenza	1
Cosenza		3	Brescia		1
Lucchese	1	Modena		0
Palermo		2	Bologna		1
Pescara		2	Lecce		0
Reggiana	1	Ancona		1
Taranto		3	Messina		1
Udinese		0	Padova		0
Venezia		1	Pisa		1

Serie B Standings after 28 games:

		W	T	L	GF	GA	PTS
Ancona		10	15	3	27	17	35
Brescia		9	16	3	37	24	34
Pescara		11	12	5	36	28	34
Reggiana	10	12	6	27	22	32
Pisa		9	13	6	33	25	31
Udinese		8	15	5	28	25	31
Cosenza		9	13	6	29	28	31
Bologna		11	8	9	28	25	30
Cesena		8	13	7	28	22	29
Padova		6	15	7	24	24	27
Lucchese	6	15	7	23	24	27
Messina		8	10	10	22	24	26
Piacenza	8	10	10	25	28	26
Taranto		6	13	9	20	24	25
Palermo		7	10	11	31	33	24
Venezia		5	14	9	24	29	24
Modena		8	8	12	25	33	24
Avellino	6	12	10	23	34	24
Lecce		7	9	12	25	34	23
Casertana	4	15	9	20	32	23

Did Juventus and Milan play each other recently? If yes, what was the score?

Gordon.

    0-0 in the semi final,first leg of the Italian Cup on Wednesday.Or
    thats when Sky showed it anyway.
    
    Dave...

    It was on tuesday, and French station La5 had the match live. Not a good 
    game, Can't understand why Baggio was on the bench...

    
    Last Sunday :
    
    Milan - Sampdoria  5:1  Rijkaard, Evani, Van Basten, Massaro, Vialli, 
    			    Albertini
    
    Torino - Juventus  2:0  Casagrande (2)
    
    
    Now Milan is 6 points ahead of Juventus. There is no doubt about 91-92
    italian title by now.
    
    On next Tuesday Juventus-Milan at Torino, the return match of italian
    cup semi-final.
    
    
    Giuseppe
    
    

    Hi,

    I've just found out that I'll be in Turin from Saturday afternoon
    (tomorrow) until Monday morning and wondered if there was a game I
    could go to on Saturday night or on Sunday.
    
    If not how about a bit of tourist info, or a recommendation for a good
    cheap hotel. I'll be with my 13 year old so something not too sordid
    would be best.
    
    thanks
    
    Peter. 

    
    INTER JUVE 1 3
    TORO MILAN 2 2
    ATALANTA ROMA 0 1
    PARMA GENOA 2 0
    BARI ASCOLI 2 1
    LAZIO CREMONESE 1 0  ?
    NAPOLI CAGLIARI 0 0
    VERONA FIORENTINA 2 3
    DORIA FOGGIA 1 1
    
    MILAN IS 5 CLEAR OF JUVE WITH 4 MATCHES TO GO
    ASCOLI CREMONESE VERONA   ~RELEGATED
    BARI is on the way to be relegated 
                                
    
    

So, is it true that 4 teams out of 18 will get relegated? They'd never put up 
with that in England - even 3 down scares the life out of the 'Premier 
Leaguers'.

And talking of which, apparently the Anglo-Italian Cup is to be revived. This 
competition was so high-level back in the 70s that I believe even Newcastle 
won it once. It'll be played for by teams from the new Football League 
Division 1 and Italy's Serie B. (Meanwhile the Premier gets to keep the ZDS!!)

grahame

    
"Capo Cannonieri" (Leading Scorers)
-----------------------------------
Van Basten (Milan)	22 (8)

Baggio (Juventus)	17 (8)

Careca (Napoli)		15 (2)

Baiano (Foggia)		14 (3)

Batistuta (Fiorentina)  13 (0)
Riedle (Lazio)		13 (0)
Zola (Napoli)		13 (0)

Sosa (Lazio)		12 (6)

Skuhravy(Genoa)		11 (0)

Aguilera (Genoa)	10 (2)

-- Number in brackets represent goals scored on penalty kicks.

Serie A Standings after 30 games:

		W	T	L	GF	GA	PTS
Milan		19	11	0	59	18	49
Juventus	18	8	4	42	19	44
Napoli		14	11	5	52	34	39
Torino		11	14	5	30	17	36
Parma		10	14	6	28	24	34
Lazio		10	12	8	40	34	32
Sampdoria	9	14	7	32	28	32
Roma		9	14	7	31	30	32
Inter		8	16	6	24	25	32
Foggia		9	11	10	51	49	29
Atalanta	8	13	9	25	28	29
Genoa		9	11	10	34	38	29
Fiorentina	9	10	11	39	36	28
Cagliari	6	13	11	29	33	25
Bari		6	9	15	25	41	21
Verona		7	5	18	19	46	19
Cremonese	4	9	17	22	44	17
Ascoli		4	5	21	20	58	13

    
    	How many get relegated. And who looks like coming up to
    	the top league?
    
    	Just interested...
    
    	Andy.
    
    
             

    
    4 DOWN 
    
    4 UP (ANCONA BRESCIA quite sure  PESCARA REGGIANA COSENZA 
          PISA BOLOGNA UDINESE in decreasing order)
     

    
    re .140
    
    Grahame, I think Newcastle won the Anglo Itailian cup twice. One
    occasion was '76 I think.
    
    Tim
    
    

"Capo Cannonieri" (Leading Scorers)
-----------------------------------

Van Basten (Milan)	22 (8)

Baggio (Juventus)	17 (8)

Careca (Napoli)		15 (2)

Baiano (Foggia)		14 (3)

Batistuta (Fiorentina)  13 (0)
Riedle (Lazio)		13 (0)
Zola (Napoli)		13 (0)

Sosa (Lazio)		12 (6)

Skuhravy(Genoa)		11 (0)
Platt			11 (2)

-- Number in brackets represent goals scored on penalty kicks.



Serie A Standings after 31 games with 3 left to play:

		W	T	L	GF	GA	PTS
Milan		20	11	0	61	18	51
Juventus	18	9	4	42	19	45
Napoli		14	11	6	52	35	39
Torino		11	15	5	30	17	37
Parma		10	14	7	28	25	34
Roma		10	14	7	32	30	34
Inter		9	16	6	26	26	34
Sampdoria	9	15	7	32	28	33
Lazio		10	12	9	40	36	32
Foggia		10	11	10	52	49	31
Atalanta	9	13	9	27	29	31
Fiorentina	9	11	11	39	36	29
Genoa		9	11	11	35	40	29
Cagliari	7	13	11	30	33	27
__________________________________________________________
Bari		6	9	16	26	43	21
Verona		7	6	18	20	47	20
Cremonese	4	9	18	22	45	17
Ascoli		4	6	21	21	59	14


Next week's Serie A fixtures:

	Week 32: 10/5/92

Cagliari	-	Bari
Foggia		-	Lazio
Inter		-	Cremonese
Napoli		-	Milan
Parma		-	Juventus
Roma		-	Ascoli
Sampdoria	-	Fiorentina
Torino		-	Genoa
Verona		-	Atalanta


Serie B, Week 32; Games played Sunday, May 3, 1992:

Avellino	2	Messina		1
Casertana	0	Modena		0
Cesena		1	Ancona		1
Lecce		2	Piacenza	0
Lucchese	1	Cosenza		1
Palermo		1	Taranto		1
Pescara		5	Bologna		0
Pisa		0	Padova		1
Reggiana	0	Udinese		0
Venezia		1	Brescia		1


Serie B Standings after 32 games:

		W	T	L	GF	GA	PTS
Brescia		11	18	3	43	27	40
Ancona		11	18	3	31	20	40
Pescara		13	13	6	47	34	39
Reggiana	11	14	7	31	26	36
_____________________________________________________________
Cosenza		11	14	7	32	31	36
Udinese		9	16	7	32	31	34
Bologna		12	10	10	36	36	34
Pisa		10	13	9	38	32	33
Lucchese	7	17	8	28	29	31
Cesena		8	14	10	30	28	30
Messina		10	10	12	28	29	30
Padova		7	16	9	25	26	30
Modena		10	10	12	29	35	30
Palermo		8	13	11	36	37	29
Taranto		7	15	10	22	26	29
Piacenza	9	11	12	31	36	29
___________________________________________________________
Lecce		9	10	13	29	36	28
Casertana	6	16	10	26	37	28
Venezia		5	17	10	26	32	27
Avellino	7	13	12	28	40	27

    Univision (here in the USA) will be showing the Napoli-Milan game at
    2:00pm this Sunday.  
    
    
    Also, Univision will be shown the Champions Cup (Sampdoria-Barcelona)
    game on May 20th (tape delay of course) after the news, which will
    probably be around 11:00pm.
    
    I am going to try and tape both games.
    
    Carlos
    

Serie A Standings after 32 games:

		W	T	L	GF	GA	PTS
MILAN		20	12	0	62	19	52

Juventus	18	10	4	42	19	46
Napoli		14	12	6	53	36	40
Torino		12	15	5	34	17	39
Roma		11	14	7	33	30	36
Sampdoria	10	15	7	34	28	35
Parma		10	15	7	28	25	35
Inter		9	16	7	26	28	34
Foggia		11	11	10	54	50	33
Atalanta	10	13	9	30	30	33
Lazio		10	12	10	41	38	32
Fiorentina	9	11	12	39	38	29
Genoa		9	11	12	35	44	29
Cagliari	7	14	11	30	33	28
___________________________________________________________
Bari		6	10	16	26	43	22
Verona		7	6	19	21	50	20
Cremonese	5	9	18	24	45	19
Ascoli		4	6	22	21	60	14


Serie B, Week 33; Games played Sunday, May 10, 1992:

Ancona		2	Pescara		2
Bologna		0	Pisa		1
Brescia		2	Avellino	0
Cosenza		1	Venezia		1
Messina		1	Reggiana	1
Modena		0	Cesena		0
Padova		1	Lecce		1
Piacenza	0	Casertana	0
Taranto		1	Lucchese	1
Udinese		1	Palermo		0

Serie B Standings after 33 games:

		W	T	L	GF	GA	PTS
Brescia		12	18	3	45	27	42
Ancona		11	19	3	33	22	41
Pescara		13	14	6	49	36	40
Reggiana	11	15	7	32	27	37
____________________________________________________________
Cosenza		11	15	7	33	32	37
Udinese		10	16	7	33	31	36
Pisa		11	13	9	39	32	35
Bologna		12	10	11	36	37	34
Lucchese	7	18	8	29	30	32
Cesena		8	15	10	30	28	31
Messina		10	11	12	29	30	31
Padova		7	17	9	26	27	31
Modena		10	11	12	29	35	31
Taranto		7	16	10	23	27	30
Piacenza	9	12	12	31	36	30
Palermo		8	13	12	36	38	29
____________________________________________________________
Lecce		9	11	13	30	37	29
Casertana	6	17	10	26	37	29
Venezia		5	18	10	27	33	28
Avellino	7	13	13	28	42	27

    Does anybody have any stats on the C serie? Please!
    
    Thanks in advance.
    
    Ciao - Nick

                                   
    C1 Girone A    SPAL (~up)
                   COMO or MONZA 
    
    C1 Girone B    TERNANA (~up)
                   PERUGIA or ..... ??
    
    What I remember well is that 
    
    C2 Girone A    RAVENNA  (~up)
                   LEFFE    (~up)
                   FIORENZUOLA
                   TEMPIO
                   VARESE   (sigh!)
                     

    
    PARMA JUVE 2 0  agg (2 1)
    
    PARMA is the cup winner
    

    
    
      Good game last night,considering we are told that the Italian Cup
    means nothing in Italy,both teams were certainly going for it.
    
    Dave...

    
    Re -1, Dave the Italian cuop means little but a place in Europe means a
    lot particularly to Parma who wouldn't have made it anyway.
    
    Gary.

            
    
    It's probably a bit late now, but since no one said something about
    it, I want to remember that A.C. MILAN won its 12th italian title on
    last Sunday.
    
    FORZA MILAN
    
    Giuseppe
    

    Are Milan still unbeaten? Even though they have a lot of draws, it
    seems like a remarkable record to go that many games without losing.
    Has any team ever gone a whole season without losing a league match?
    
    Tom 

   Tom.. they are still unbeaten with two games left to play. As far as I know
no team in the Italian league has the record of been unbeaten in one season in
the league. Its also good to see them back in Europe in the Champions cup..

                                                               -dave-

    
    
 >no team in the Italian league has the record of
 >been unbeaten in one season
    
    PERUGIA   ten years ago. 

    
    RE -1
    
    Perugia set up the record in a 16 teams championship.
    
    Should Milan will not loose the next Sunday will get the records for
    a 18 teams championship.
    
    bye bye
    
    Giuseppe      
    

    
    INTER ATALANTA 0 0
    CAGLIARI LAZIO 0 1
    ROMA BARI 2 0
    TORINO ASCOLI 5 2
    VERONA JUVE 3 3
    PARMA FIORENTINA 1 1
    SAMPDORIA CREMONESE 2 2
    NAPOLI GENOA 1 0
    FOGGIA MILAN 2 8
    
    down ASCOLI CREMONESE VERONA BARI
    
    UEFA JUVE NAPOLI ROMA TORINO
    CUP  PARMA
    Champion MILAN

    
    From DIV III to DIV II 
    
    SPAL 
    MONZA
    TERNANA
    FIDELIS ANDRIA
    
    

rep -1

In whta division is Rimini playing? Last time I heard something about 3B, is
that correct??


T_

    
    I think it's in DIV C2B 
    
                       A
                       B
                    C1A C1B
                  C2A C2B C2C
    

    
    FROM II TO I  BRESCIA PESCARA ANCONA UDINESE
    FROM II TO III AVELLINO MESSINA PALERMO 
                   CASERTANA v TARANTO  for the fourth relegation
    

    
    TARANTO 2 CASERTANA 1     CASERTANA DOWN
    

    
    The champ. will start on SEPT. 6th
    
    
    
    (Tonny it's long time you are unreachable)

    
    Next week's Radio Times carries an article about the screening on Serie
    A games live on Channel 4 this season. It gives a brief on all of the
    clubs and likens each (contentiously?) to British clubs as follows :
    
    	AC Milan	Glasgow Rangers (On a winning streak)
    	Juventus	Liverpool (The team everyone wants to beat)
    	Torino		Man. Utd. (Nearly Men with a glorious & tragic past)
    	Napoli		Everton (Striving to recapture former glories)
    	AS Roma		Chelsea (Erratic)
    	Sampdoria	Arsenal (Reliable.....but boring)
    	Parma		Nottm. Forest (Strong Cup side)
    	Inter Milan	Man City (The other team in the city)
    	Foggia		West Ham (Leaky defence)
    	Lazio		Blackburn (The big spenders)
    	Atalanta	Crystal Palace (Dull but deadly - Not my words Stu)
    	Fiorentina	Tottenham (Vainglorious.....and struggling)
    	Cagliari	Leeds (from 2-3 years ago - great expectations)
    	Genoa		Coventry (Often wobbly)
    	Brescia		Ipswich (Last year's Div 2 Champs)
    	Pescara		Derby County (Just promoted)
    	Ancona		Middlesbrough (Also promoted)
    	Udinese		Notts County [Shurely Shome Mishtake - Ed]
    
    Any comments from our Italian friends ? (or anyone else?)
    
    Actually, I think the gut who wrote the article, roland White must be
    the *other* Notts County fan - he manages to mention them twice in the
    two page piece. He claims that Juventus wear black and white stripes
    because one of their early players brought back a County shirt from
    England. Anyone know if this is true? I would doubt it as for a
    significant period in their history, The Magpies didn't wear the famous
    stripes, but disgusting outfits such as Chocolate Brown shirts. When were 
    Juventus formed - that might be a pointer?
    
    Cheers,
    
    Rob

    Rangers compared to AC Milan? Good God? In terms of money and
    facilities yes. In terms of weekly opposition and genuine foot-
    balling calibre, ha! ha! ha!
    
    barry.  

    re Juventus/Notts Co. black & white shirt.... I would tend to doubt
    there's any link. I remember reading an article in "World Soccer" on 
    Juventus, which went a little into the history. I don't remember any
    mention of Notts County. They did say why Juventus chose the black and
    white strip, but I can't remember off hand. I'll see if I can dig up
    the article and put it in here.
    
    Tom

"Radio Times" Rob??  

Stuart

BTW Are Atalanta fans big quaff-heads??

    What has happened to the Italian REPORTERS?????? I miss your scores!
    
    NP

with so many goals too! Unbelievable! Van Basten 1992 GOLD BALL!


Hey you Italians, listen to me and listen good!

I have a friend here crazy about football pools. He wants to play il TOTOCALCIO 
this week and absolutely needs the list of fixtures for this week.

Can anyone post it here?

Grazie mille
 �JF?

>I have a friend here crazy about football pools. He wants to play il TOTOCALCIO 
>this week and absolutely needs the list of fixtures for this week.
>
	ANCONA 		NAPOLI
	ATALANTA	CAGLIARI
	FOGGIA		UDINESE	
	LAZIO		GENOA
	PARMA		BRESCIA
	JUVENTUS	AS ROMA
	INTER		FIORENTINA
	PESCARA		TORINO
	SAMPDORIA	MILAN


P

	ANCONA 		NAPOLI      1 1
	ATALANTA	CAGLIARI    2 1
	FOGGIA		UDINESE	    1 0
	LAZIO		GENOA       1 1
	PARMA		BRESCIA     2 0
	JUVENTUS	AS ROMA     1 1
	INTER		FIORENTINA  2 2
	PESCARA		TORINO      2 2
	SAMPDORIA	MILAN       postponed

 FIORENTINA  MILAN   3 7
 UDINESE     PESCARA 5 2 OR SIMILAR
 GENOA ANCONA        4 4
 TORINO DORIA        2 2
 INTER ATALANTA      1 0
 LAZIO PARMA         4 2 OR SIMILAR
 BRESCIA FOGGIA      4 1
 CAGLIARI ROMA       1 0
 NAPOLI JUVE         2 3

Unbelievable! To think Italy is the home of Catenaccio! How things have changed!
Who said the other day that once a goal is scored the game is over?

�JF?

	My sentiments exactly. That's 47 goals for 9 games. Amazing!!


						Dave.

       milan lazio      5 3
       udinese napoli   2 0
       roma inter       4 1
       pescara fiorent. 0 2    
       parma ancona     3 0
       juve brescia     0 0
       foggia genoa     2 2
       doria cagliari   2 0
       atalanta torino  0 0      
    

Milan concede three goals again and win again. Not the first time this season. 
Their strike force must be awesome. Will anyone stop them in Italy this year, 
as they failed last year? Incidentally who beat them in the Italian cup last 
year and what happened to the in Eupore last year?

                             James.

    
    RE:Last.
    		Juventus beat them in the semis last season,(I think it
    was 1-0 on agg.)
    		They weren't in Europe last season due to a year ban after
    the fiasco in Marseille the previous season.
    
    Watched the game yesterday and they are truly awesome.
    Hope Rangers don't meet them 'till the Final.;>)

   PARMA MILAN            0 2
   INTER JUVE             3 1
   GENOA PESCARA          4 3 
   FIORENTINA DORIA       4 0
   NAPOLI  ROMA           2 0
   ANCONA FOGGIA          3 0
   TORINO UDINESE         1 0
   LAZIO ATALANTA         Lazio won 
   BRESCIA CAGLIARI       0 2 

Serie A, Week 8; Games played Sunday, November 1, 1992:

Atalanta	3	Napoli		2
Cagliari	2	Fiorentina	1
Foggia		1	Parma		0
Juventus	5	Ancona		1
Milan		0	Torino		0
Pescara		1	Inter		4
Roma		2	Brescia		3
Sampdoria	4	Genoa		1
Udinese		0	Lazio		0


Serie A Standings after 8 games:

		W	T	L	GF	GA	PTS	MI
Milan		6	1	0	22	10	13	2
Torino		3	5	0	12	5	11	-1
Inter		5	1	2	17	12	11	-1
Juventus	3	4	1	16	10	10	-2
Sampdoria	4	2	1	16	13	10	0
Fiorentina	3	3	2	22	15	9	-3
Lazio		2	5	1	18	14	9	-3
Brescia		3	3	2	8	7	9	-3
Cagliari	3	2	3	8	9	8	-4
Genoa		1	6	1	15	17	8	-4
Udinese		3	1	4	11	10	7	-6
Atalanta	3	1	4	8	14	7	-5
Roma		2	2	4	11	10	6	-6
Napoli		2	2	4	12	14	6	-6
Parma		3	0	5	11	14	6	-6
Foggia		2	1	5	8	17	5	-7
Ancona		1	2	5	13	27	4	-7
Pescara		1	1	6	13	23	3	-9

-- Milan and Sampdoria have played one game less.


Serie B, Week 9; Games played Sunday, November 1, 1992:

Cesena		1	Verona		0
Cosenza		2	Monza		1
Cremonese	3	Ascoli		1
Andria		0	Padova		0
Lecce		0	Modena		0
Pisa		0	Bologna		1
Reggiana	2	Lucchese	1
Spal		0	Piacenza	0
Ternana		2	Taranto		2
Venezia		5	Bari		2

Serie B Standings after 9 games:

		W	T	L	GF	GA	PTS	MI
Cremonese	8	0	1	22	8	16	2
Reggiana	5	4	0	14	4	14	0
Venezia		5	3	1	16	6	13	-1
Ascoli		5	1	3	16	8	11	-2
Cesena		4	3	2	12	8	11	-3
Cosenza		3	5	1	9	6	11	-3
Pisa		4	3	2	5	4	11	-3
Lecce		4	3	2	8	10	11	-2
Verona		4	2	3	9	7	10	-3
Bari		4	2	3	14	13	10	-3
Bologna		3	3	3	9	11	9	-4
Padova		2	4	3	10	12	8	-5
Piacenza	1	5	3	6	7	7	-6
Spal		1	5	3	6	10	7	-7
Modena		2	3	4	6	12	7	-6
Lucchese	1	4	4	7	10	6	-7
Monza		1	4	4	4	10	6	-7
Andria		0	4	5	7	15	4	-10
Taranto		0	4	5	6	15	4	-10
Ternana		0	4	5	6	16	4	-10

    
    
    I simplay cannot resist:
    
    What does the MI column stand for? Sorry if this has been asked before.
    
    cheers,
    
    	Stefan

 	MI = Media Inglese (in Italian)
             
    internal win      0
    internal  x      -1
    internal defeat  -2

    external win     +1
    external  x       0
    external defeat  -1

    
    With Channel 4 showing Italian football live on TV,  Ive been trying
    to catch as many games as possible.  The games Ive seen have all been
    very good, exciting and goals galore..last Sundays 0-0 Milan Torino
    being the first no-goals game on C4 this season.
    
    Just one question :  The Tv commenatator seemed to imply the other week
    that in Italy it is a foul if you tackle with 'studs-up', regardless of
    height of foot.....is this correct ??  Have they included a new law, or
    interpreted the FIFA laws slightly differently ??
    
    I just wish that the C4 coverage of the games actually included some
    pre-match atmosphere soaking/fireworks show...Im led to believe that
    the spectacle is very spectacular.
    Cheers
    Paul 

    Franco Baresi announced at the weekend that he is available (again) for
selection on the Italian team. This will probably mean that approx six players 
or maybe even seven will be coming from Ac Milan....

                                                            -dave-

  napoli  milan     1 5
  inter doria       0 0
  atalanta foggia   2 1
  fiorentina roma   2 1
  parma pescara     1 0
  genoa cagliari    2 3
  juve udinese      5 1
  lazio torino      1 2
  ancona brescia    5 1

Serie A continued with its avalanche of goals once again with a total
of 33 goals scored in today's matches, 4 of which saw 5 or more goals
scored. While it seems that Serie A had adopted a more offensive style
of play, things do not seem to have rubbed off in the second division,
as only 17 goals were scored in Serie B today. Here are the results
and standings of the Serie A and B games played today, as well as the
respective league tables:

Serie A, Week 9; Games played Sunday, November 8, 1992:

Ancona		5	Brescia		1
   Agostini '12		   Hagi '41
   Detari   '38
   Lupo      '1 (2nd)
   Agostini '26 (2nd)
   Agostini '49 (2nd)

Ancona go on a goal rampage today after losing by the same score to
Juventus last week. Despite the organizational problems and problems
with the owners of the Ancona Calcio team, the players seems to have
put this aside, at least for this game. The game was very lively, with
a few moments of rough play early in the second half. Two nice goals
by Detari and Hagi closed off the first half at a 2-1 score for the
home team. Lupo opened the scoring at the very start of the first half
with another nice goal coming from a scissor kick just near the edge
of the box. Brescia's goalkeeper Landucci was sent off at the 22nd
minute of the second half after taking down Gadda just outside the
Brescia penalty area, forcing Brescia to substitute a player for the
backup goalkeeper, Cusin. Despite the one player advantage, Ancona got
their 4th goal on a rapid counter attack which caught the visiting
team flat footed. Other counter attacks, which did not lead to goals,
kept catching Brescia off guard. Agostini, who has been contested by
the "dorici's" tifosi, completed his hat-trick just before the final
whistle.


Atalanta	2	Foggia		1
   Rambaudi '2		   Biagioni '17 (p.k.)
   Porrini  '46

Foggia still struggles, looking to repeat their good performance of
last season, without the players, and it is proving to be a formidable
task for Zeman. Foggia equalized soon after the early Atalanta goal
scored by one of Foggia's stars of last season. Atalanta scored their
second and winning goal shortly before the end of the first half,
which held up for the remaining 45 minutes.


Fiorentina	2	Roma		1
   Iachini '31		   Caniggia '24 (2nd)
   Orlando '34

Roma's slump continues, as the fail to put together a consistent game.
Fiorentina continue to have success with their forwards, but
defensively, there's still much work to do. With Roma's coach Boskov
not very happy with the performance of his goalkeeper in the first
half, Cervone sat out the second half and the backup goalkeeper came
in. This worked to a small extent, as Roma appeared to regain their
composure at the start of the second half, which lasted until Muzzi
was sent off at the 19th minute, only 10 minutes after coming into the
match, for an ugly tackle on Baiano. With one man short, Roma started
feeding Caniggia with long balls, which gave the Fiorentina defense
some problems.  Caniggia scored Roma's lone goal on a header. So, Roma
get their third straight loss playing without important players like
Giannini, and looking very nervous at times.


Genoa		2	Cagliari	3
   Padovano '7		   Napoli    '15
   Panucci  '20		   Puscheddu '17 (2nd)
			   Oliveira  '33 (2nd)

Genoa looked as if they were on their way to winning this match, but
after the Genoa captain Signorini was sent off at the 15th minute of
the second half, for a rough tackle on Francescoli, Cagliari equalized
and ended up getting the game winner.  This lack of performance on
Genoa's part, will probably weigh heavy on the team's coach Georgi,
who is apparently very close to losing his job. Cagliari takes home 2
very important home points, and win their first away game against
Genoa. Genoa, for some reason, kept Skuhravy, Ruotolo and Van't Schip
on the bench.


Inter		0	Sampdoria	0

Not a very spectacular game, but one which had it's moments
nonetheless.  Inter spent more time in Samp's half of the field than
Samp did in Inter's half. Samp's goalkeeper Pagliuca made some really
good saves, and his goalkeeping was very solid for the duration of the
match.  Zenga, on the other end of the field, was not very busy, but
made a couple of really great saves in the second half with the Inter
defense doing a good jobs of neutralizing Samp's offense when they
ventured near the Inter penalty area. Inter's Sosa had a penalty kick
stopped by the goalkeeper early in the first half, which was awarded
for Walker's take down of Berti inside the box. Sosa's kick was rather
central and low on the ground, which caught Pagliuca's feet as he dove
to his right. In the end, a tie still allows both teams to stay near
the top of the table.


Juventus	5	Udinese		1
   Baggio '20		   Balbo '37
   Baggio '22
   Pellegrini '24 (o.g.)
   Baggio  '5 (2nd)
   Baggio '40 (2nd)

An incredible game by the Baggio-Moeller duo, with Baggio scoring 4
goals with the 5th coming off a deflection of the Udinese defender,
Pellegrini, from Baggio's shot. Udinese never seemed to be in the
match, but they still managed to get a goal to close the first half on
a positive note, before Baggio dashed them further at the start of the
second half. At the 27th minute of the second half, Juventus
goalkeeper Peruzzi was sent off for handling the ball outside the
penalty area as Branca ran alone towards the Juventus goal. The one
man advantage for Udinese did not make a difference, and the home team
scored their fifth goal with Baggio putting in Galia's cross.


Lazio		1	Torino		2
   Signori '1 (2nd)	   Aguilera '12 (2nd)
			   Gregucci '43 (2nd-o.g.)

Torino gets an away win, allowing them to keep pace with league leader
Milan, after trailing early in the second half, with the visitors
having a one man advantage. Doll was sent off at the 38th minute of
the first half for making some rude comments to the linesman following
a call. This did not stop Lazio from going on the board first, but it
did stop them from taking a consistent offensive posture, looking very
remissive at times, as Torino was looking first to equalize and then
to get the game winner, the latter being the tougher task. On a shot
by Silenzi, which was deflected by the Lazio defender Gregucci, with 2
minutes left in the match, Torino got the game winner. Lazio did have
a few good runs at the Torino net, but Marchegiani was in good form
today, making some good saves.


Napoli		1	Milan		5
   Zola '42 (2nd)	   Van Basten '7
			   Van Basten '28
			   Eranio     '15 (2nd)
			   Van Basten '28 (2nd)
			   Van Basten '30 (2nd)

Milan beats a very disorganized Napoli with Van Basten scoring 4 of
the 5 Milan goals, which now puts him at the top of the scorers list
with 12 goals. Napoli played poorly in the first half, with the
defense in disarray, but in the second half, there was no story, with
Milan dominating from beginning to end. Napoli looked especially
demoralized after the Eranio's goal, which saw the Milan forward
deflect a shot by Massaro, who had come in for Simone just moments
earlier. Napoli had a good run and subsequent shot by Ferrara at the
26th minute, but the dangerous shot was promptly saved by Antognoli.
Moments later, Van Basten scored Milan's 4th goal. Two minutes later,
Van Basten intercepted a pass back to the Napoli goalkeeper Galli by
Mauro, scoring Milan's 5th goal. Napoli finally got the consolation
goal 3 minutes before time, thanks to a beautiful free kick taken by
Zola.  So it seems that the crisis in the Napoli side continues, with
Ranieri's job on shaky ground. Hopefully steps will be taken by
Ferlaino to give the team back it's heart. In the mean time, Milan
keeps playing well, keeping their consistent pace going for yet
another week.


Parma		1	Pescara		0
   Pizzi '17 (2nd)

A very rough game in which Pescara were dealt their 5th straight loss.
Pescara was desperately looking for the equalizer late in the game,
but were playing with one player less after the Danish defender
Sivebaek was sent off one minute after the Parma goal for a
retaliatory foul. Pescara held Parma at bay for over 60 minutes and
their hopes of equalizing were dealt a blow when Sivebaek was sent
off.


Serie A Standings after 9 games:

		W	L	T	GF	GA	PTS	MI
Milan		7	1	0	27	11	15	3
Torino		4	5	0	14	6	13	0
Juventus	4	4	1	21	11	12	-2
Inter		5	2	2	17	12	12	-2
Fiorentina	4	3	2	24	16	11	-3
Sampdoria	4	3	1	16	13	11	0
Cagliari	4	2	3	11	11	10	-3
Lazio		2	5	2	19	16	9	-5
Brescia		3	3	3	9	12	9	-4
Atalanta	4	1	4	10	15	9	-5
Parma		4	0	5	12	14	8	-6
Genoa		1	6	2	17	20	8	-6
Udinese		3	1	5	12	15	7	-7
Roma		2	2	5	12	12	6	-7
Napoli		2	2	5	13	19	6	-8
Ancona		2	2	5	18	28	6	-7
Foggia		2	1	6	9	19	5	-8
Pescara		1	1	7	13	24	3	-10

-- Milan and Sampdoria have played one less game.

Serie A takes a break next week in preparation for the November 18th
World Cup qualifying match between Scotland and Italy. The first
division resumes play on November 22 with the following games:

	Week 10: 22/11/92
	=================

Brescia		-	Fiorentina
Cagliari	-	Parma
Foggia		-	Lazio
Milan		-	Inter		(DERBY)
Pescara		-	Atalanta
Roma		-	Ancona
Sampdoria	-	Napoli
Torino		-	Juventus	(DERBY)
Udinese		-	Genoa

Serie B, Week 10; Games played Sunday, November 8, 1992:

Ascoli		0	Reggiana	0
Bologna		1	Cesena		0
Andria		0	Bari		0
Lucchese	1	Venezia		2
Modena		0	Cosenza		0
Monza		0	Spal		1
Padova		1	Pisa		0
Piacenza	2	Ternana		1
Taranto		1	Cremonese	1
Verona		3	Lecce		3


So Cremonese remains at the top of the table after their away draw at
Taranto, the equalizer was scored by Cremonese late in the second
half. Venezia are close behind, gaining one point, thanks to their
away win at Lucca. Ascoli fail to reduce the gap between them and
Cremonese with Reggiana keeping pace with the leaders after a
scoreless draw between Ascoli and Reggiana.

Serie B standings after 10 games:

		W	T	L	GF	GA	PTS	MI
Cremonese	8	1	1	23	9	17	2
Venezia		6	3	1	18	7	15	0
Reggiana	5	5	0	14	4	15	0
Ascoli		5	2	3	16	8	12	-3
Cosenza		3	6	1	9	6	12	-3
Lecce		4	4	2	11	13	12	-2
Cesena		4	3	3	12	9	11	-4
Verona		4	3	3	12	10	11	-4
Bari		4	3	3	14	13	11	-3
Pisa		4	3	3	5	5	11	-4
Bologna		4	3	3	10	11	11	-4
Padova		3	4	3	11	12	10	-5
Piacenza	2	5	3	8	8	9	-6
Spal		2	5	3	7	10	9	-6
Modena		2	4	4	6	12	8	-7
Lucchese	1	4	5	8	12	6	-9
Monza		1	4	5	4	11	6	-9
Andria		0	5	5	7	15	5	-11
Taranto		0	5	5	7	16	5	-11
Ternana		0	4	6	7	18	4	-11


Despite the Serie A break next week, Serie B will continue with the
following games:

	Week 11: 15/11/92
	=================
Bari		-	Bologna
Cesena		-	Padova
Cosenza		-	Reggiana
Lecce		-	Cremonese
Modena		-	Andria
Piacenza	-	Taranto
Pisa		-	Verona
Spal		-	Lucchese
Ternana		-	Ascoli
Venezia		-	Monza

    That's some match reporting Mr Biotti, excellent reviews... Keep up the
good work...


                                                     regards....

                                                          -dave-

    A special request for Sig. Biotti - reports from the Anglo-Italian
    matches being played in Italy this week ?? In particular the one
    Brentford are playing in.
    
    Hope you can oblige, with your normal extensive coverage.
    
    Grazie
    

    Here, here... I second the motion... very good reporting.
    I think that Mr. Biotti deserves a pat on the back... 
    Keep up the excellent reporting...
    
    Nick
    
    P.S. I was born in Sicily and have enjoyed this topic very much...
         now if only I could find someone to report on div. C teams..
         I can dream can I?

    I would reakon that this is as good a note as any to put this piece in
    last night i watched the Seria A Italian soccer and football
    hooliganism(ps) show its ugly head at the Napoli V. A.C. Milan match
    now it seems to me that if that kind of behaviour was seen at an
    English League match before you know it English teams would be banned
    from Europe before you could say "Carpet Tiles" i'm just wondering if
    there is aa double standards aspect known by FIFA etc. i.e. that if
    English fans cause trouble ban english teams them from Europe and if Anyone
    else causes trouble just forget about it.  There was also a situation
    at another match(can't remember which) where fans blocked the players
    exits.  This is not just an assault on the Seria A if my memory serves
    me correct Ajax also had crowd trouble at aa few matches last season. 
    Surely if A.C. Milan can be banned from Europe for a season after their
    display against Marseille then something similar can be done to these
    teams or if not from European competition to be docked points in the
    league or have them automatically knocked out of Cup competitions. 
    It's infuriating(ps) to see other countries get away with such crap and
    the English to get slated for it.
    
    Colin..
    ^^^^^^^

I saw the game last nite, and I must agree, if that happened in england there
would be an uproar. It's lucky that most stadiums in Italy have running tacks
around then, otherwise, the fans would easily hit the players with their missiles.

Also ,there at the beginning of the season, i think it was a juventus (sp??)
player who was being carried off injuried, when the opposing fans started 
throwing objects at him while he was on a stretcher.

What sort of supporter are these people?? or are there humans at all???


Mick.

    
    new trainers 
    
    GENOA       MAIFREDI
    NAPOLI      BIANCHI
                

    
    Ascoli Barnsley     1 3
    Cremonese West Ham  2 0

    Ambrogio is this the same man that led Napoli to the league title as well
as the UEFA cup during the Maradonna era??????

                                                                -dave-

    
    yes 

    re .194
    That should read:
    Ascoli 1  BRENTFORD 3 !!
    

Serie A returns after a one week stop last Sunday, with 23 goals
scored in the 9 games. Only 21 goals were score the the Serie B,
games where Reggiana joins top of the table Venezia and Cremonese
and remains the only undefeated team in the second division so far
this season.

Here are the results and standings for the games played earlier
today in Serie A and B:

Serie A, Week 10; Games played Sunday, November 22, 1992:

Brescia		1	Fiorentina	1
   Hagi '2 (2nd)	   Orlando '17 (2nd)

A draw despite Fiorentina's control of the match. Fiorentina had more
possession of the ball, but it was Brescia who had the majority of the
scoring opportunities in this match. Brescia took the lead in the
opening minutes of the first half, but Fiorentina kept pressing
without much success, until the 15th minutes later when Orlando scored
the equalizer. Subsequently, Fiorentina searched desperately for the
game winner, playing better than the hope team, but the "viola" were
denied.


Cagliari	0	Parma		1
			   Brolin '28 (2nd)

Cagliari's recent string of wins was put to a stop by a Parma who came
to Cagliari with a very clear objective. It was the home team,
however, to get the better scoring chances in the first half, with
good efforts coming from Francescoli and Firicano. Parma, was better
in the second half, where they obtained their only goal, which gave
them the victory, thans to their Swedish national Brolin. With this
away win, Parma takes home their first away points of the season.


Foggia		2	Lazio		1
   Biagioni '18 (p.k.)	   Signori '8 (2nd)
   Roy      '35

An exciting game from start to finish, according to match reports,
with non-stop action from both teams. In the first half, Foggia's
pressing gave Lazio's defense numerous problems, which ended up
leading to the home team's 2 goals, one of which was scored by recent
arrival Roy from the Netherlands. In the second half, Lazio came out
pressing very aggressively, and despite an goal early in the second
half by Signori, Lazio's forcing could not net them the equalizer.
Overall, an important victory for Foggia, who is hoping to get to a
less threatening spot in the table.


Milan		1	Inter		1
   Lentini '40		   De Agostini '25 (2nd)

This derby, of the two played today, ended in a 1-1 draw after both
teams played relatively well, with Inter showing more concentration
and better play, but with Milan having slightly more scoring chances
than their "cousins". Milan's Antognoli made a couple of key saves
early in the game, when Inter were playing better, but this would not
continue for the duration of the match. Milan went ahead late in the
second half thanks to a shot from Lentini which beat Zenga cleanly.
Not too long before this goal, however, a chip inside the Milan
penalty area went just over Antognoli and narrowly missed going in,
and went of the crossbar, near the left hand corner of the goal. De
Agostini equalized for Inter mid-way in the second half, on a shot
from outside the box which was poorly handled by Antognoli and which
rolled in over the goal line, in what should have been a routine stop.
In any case, for the way that they played up to this point in the
match, Inter deserved the equalizer. Right after this goal, Inter was
on a roll, and proceeded to attack the Milan goal, but the "rossoneri"
didn't lose their composure, even if on a couple of occasions, it
looked as if Inter was going to score a second goal. Overall, Milan
played a reasonable game, even if I found their play to be very
loppy, with players like Gullit not having one of their better games.
Inter, on the other hand, got off to a good start, moving the ball up
the field well at the start, and pressing with determination in the
second half, after equalizing.


Pescara		2	Atalanta	0
   Dunga     '30
   Palladini '40 (2nd)

Accoding to game reports, Atalanta lost this game thanks to Ganz
blowing numerous chances on counter-attacks. This, coupled with errors
committed in other parts of the field by their mid-field and defense,
certainly didn't help their cause. Pescara, seemed charged by the
presence of Brazilian Dunga in their ranks, who scored the first goal,
and helped to set up the second. Overall, not a very spectacular match
for the home team, but a good performance, nonetheless.


Roma		2	Ancona		1
   Comi      '25 (2nd)	   Lupo '13
   Carnevale '46 (2nd)

Carnevale scores the game winner, salvaging the game after trailing
1-0 at the end of the first half. Ancona was well organized
defensively, and kept the home team at bay for the entire 1st half,
despite the superiority of the Romans, who managed to hit a couple of
crossbars and posts with their shots. Roma was more determined in the
second half, which lead to Comi's equalizer and later Carnevale's goal
in injury time, turning the tables on Ancona, and perhaps safeguarding
Boskov's job for the time being.


Sampdoria	3	Napoli		1
   Ziliani '41 (o.g.)	   Mannini '44 (2nd-o.g.)
   Jugovic '15 (2nd)
   Mancini '35 (2nd-p.k.)

Despite the score, Napoli played well for the first 25 minutes of the
match, where they were dangerous on their attacks and gave problems to
the Samp defense. The visitors subsequently slowed down the pace which
allowed Samp to come forward, and get their first goal before the end
of the first half, thanks to an own goal by Ziliani on a shot by
Mancini, who scored Samp's 3rd goal on a penalty kick. Before time was
called in the game, Fonseca's shot was deflected by Mannini for an own
goal.  So the slide of Napoli continues, even with the arrival of
Bianchi, who, as Saverio mentioned, is not very popular with some
players on the team.


Torino		1	Juventus	2
   Sordo '13 (2nd)	   Vialli   '30 (2nd)
			   Venturin '47 (2nd-o.g.)

Juventus manage to pull this one out of the fire, thanks to a goal on
a shot taken by Moeller, deflected by Venturin, two minutes into
injury time, after Torino had taken the lead 13 minutes into the
second half. Torino played well for the first 70 minutes of the match,
but slowed down in the last 20 minutes, which lead to their defeat.
Torino went ahead first, taking advantage of defensive error by
Juventus. In the first half, Juve pressed on a couple of occasions,
and it was Marchegiani, who was in great form, who kept it at a
scoreless draw. Thanks to this victory, Juventus moves into sole
possession of second place in the league table, 2 points behind Milan,
who will play Juventus next Sunday, in what promises to be a very
exciting match.


Udinese		3	Genoa		0
   Mattei  '8 (2nd)
   Balbo  '10 (2nd)
   Balbo  '22 (2nd)

Genoa got thrashed at Udinese, but regardless of the heavy loss, new
Genoa coach Maifredi was please with the performance of his team, who
was playing without 5 of their regular starters. Their cause certainly
was not helped by the fact that they finished the game with only nine
players after 2, Torrente in the 1st half and Caricola in the 2nd
half, of them were sent off, and having a penalty kick called against
them during the match.  Maifredi claimed that the loss was not
directly due to the play of his side, but by "external factors".
Udinese played a good game, with Balbo scoring 2 of the 3 goals,
putting him in third place on the scorers list, behind Signori, with
11 goals and Van Basten with 12.


Serie A Standings after 10 games:

		W	T	L	GF	GA	PTS	MI
Milan		7	2	0	28	12	16	2
Juventus	5	4	1	23	12	14	-1
Torino		4	5	1	15	8	13	-2
Sampdoria	5	3	1	19	14	13	0
Inter		5	3	2	18	13	13	-2
Fiorentina	4	4	2	25	17	12	-3
Parma		5	0	5	13	14	10	-5
Cagliari	4	2	4	11	12	10	-5
Brescia		3	4	3	10	13	10	-5
Lazio		2	5	3	20	18	9	-6
Udinese		4	1	5	15	15	9	-7
Atalanta	4	1	5	10	17	9	-6
Roma		3	2	5	14	13	8	-7
Genoa		1	6	3	17	23	8	-7
Foggia		3	1	6	11	20	7	-8
Napoli		2	2	6	14	22	6	-9
Ancona		2	2	6	19	30	6	-8
Pescara		2	1	7	15	24	5	-10

-- Milan and Sampdoria have played one less game.


Next week's fixtures:

	Week 11: 29/11/92
	=================

Ancona		-	Cagliari
Atalanta	-	Udinese
Foggia		-	Pescara
Genoa		-	Torino
Inter		-	Brescia
Juventus	-	Milan
Lazio		-	Roma		(DERBY)
Napoli		-	Fiorentina
Parma		-	Sampdoria


Serie B, Week 12; Games played Sunday, November 22, 1992:

Ascoli		1	Bari		0
Bologna		0	Piacenza	1
Cremonese	2	Venezia		2
Andria		1	Cesena		1
Lucchese	0	Modena		1
Monza		0	Pisa		0
Padova		5	Ternana		0
Reggiana	3	Spal		0
Taranto		1	Lecce		1
Verona		0	Cosenza		2


Serie B standings after 12 games:

		W	T	L	GF	GA	PTS	MI
Cremonese	8	2	2	26	13	18	0
Venezia		7	4	1	22	9	18	0
Reggiana	6	6	0	17	4	18	0
Ascoli		7	2	3	19	8	16	-2
Cosenza		4	7	1	11	6	15	-3
Lecce		5	5	2	14	15	15	-2
Cesena		5	4	3	15	10	14	-4
Piacenza	4	5	3	11	8	13	-5
Bari		5	3	4	16	14	13	-4
Pisa		4	5	3	6	6	13	-5
Padova		4	4	4	16	14	12	-6
Verona		4	4	4	13	13	12	-6
Bologna		4	3	5	10	14	11	-7
Modena		3	5	4	9	14	11	-7
Spal		2	6	4	8	14	10	-8
Lucchese	1	5	6	9	14	7	-11
Andria		0	7	5	10	18	7	-12
Monza		1	5	6	4	13	7	-11
Taranto		0	6	6	8	19	6	-13
Ternana		0	4	8	7	25	4	-14


The Champions' Cup and the UEFA Cup returns to action this Wednesday
with Milan facing IFK Gotheborg, and in the UEFA Cup, Roma hosting
Galatasary, and Juventus travelling away to Czechoslovakia to play
Sigma Olomouk. More on these games on Wednesday. The Cup Winners' Cup
resumes in March.

I believe that the Roma - Galatasary game will be broadcast by RAI-USA
on Wednesday, breaking the usual "tradition" of showing Champions' Cup
games played in Italy, but since RAI showed Milan this Sunday, and
will most likely show Juventus-Milan next Sunday, showing Milan again
this Wednesday would have meant a Milan overdose of three games in the
space of a week...

Hi,

I'm going to go to Italy in December and want to see Italian league game.
Please provide me schedule of 20th or 27th December game and place.
I'm going to visit Milan and Rome.

Is it easy to get a ticket in the city before one or two day before the game?


Minakuchi (DEC-Japan)

    
    20.30 RAI1 SAMPDORIA MILAN
    

Serie A Week 15; Games played Sunday, January 10, 1993:

Atalanta	3	Roma		1
Foggia		1	Inter		3
Lazio		2	Brescia		0
Milan		1	Cagliari	0
Parma		1	Genoa		0
Pescara		4	Ancona		3
Sampdoria	1	Juventus	1
Torino		0	Napoli		1
Udinese		4	Fiorentina	0

Serie A standings after 15 Games:

		W	T	L	GF	GA	PTS	MI
Milan		12	3	0	36	14	27	4
Inter		8	3	4	28	21	19	-3
Lazio		6	6	3	32	22	18	-5
Atalanta	8	2	5	20	21	18	-5
Juventus	5	6	4	27	20	16	-6
Torino		4	8	3	17	12	16	-7
Sampdoria	5	6	4	28	26	16	-7
Parma		7	2	6	18	18	16	-7
Fiorentina	5	5	5	29	27	15	-7
Cagliari	6	3	6	14	15	15	-7
Udinese		6	2	7	23	21	14	-9
Brescia		4	6	5	16	21	14	-8
Genoa		3	7	5	23	32	13	-9
Foggia		5	3	7	19	28	13	-10
Roma		4	4	7	17	18	12	-10
Napoli		5	2	8	22	26	12	-10
Pescara		3	2	10	23	35	8	-15
Ancona		3	2	10	25	40	8	-14


Serie B, Week 18; Games played Sunday, January 10, 1993:

Cesena		1	Ascoli		2
Cosenza		3	Spal		1
Cremonese	4	Bari		0
Andria		0	Piacenza	0
Lecce		3	Bologna		0
Modena		2	Venezia		0
Monza		0	Taranto		0
Padova		2	Lucchese	1
Pisa		0	Reggiana	1
Verona		2	Ternana		0


Serie B standings after 18 games:

		W	T	L	GF	GA	PTS	MI
Reggiana	11	7	0	24	5	29	2
Lecce		8	8	2	25	21	24	-3
Cremonese	9	5	4	37	22	23	-4
Cosenza		7	9	2	20	10	23	-4
Venezia		8	6	4	24	15	22	-5
Ascoli		8	5	4	26	15	21	-4   **
Piacenza	7	7	4	20	14	21	-6
Padova		7	6	5	22	18	20	-7
Verona		7	6	5	19	16	20	-7
Cesena		5	7	6	19	17	17	-10
Pisa		6	5	6	10	11	17	-9   **
Bari		6	4	7	18	22	16	-8   **
Bologna		6	4	8	16	21	16	-11
Modena		5	6	7	14	22	16	-11
Monza		3	9	6	11	17	15	-12
Spal		3	8	7	12	22	14	-13
Lucchese	2	8	8	13	19	12	-15
Andria		1	9	7	12	20	11	-16  **
Taranto		2	7	9	11	25	11	-16
Ternana		1	6	11	11	32	8	-19

** Have played one less game.

    
    
  Italian League: Serie A and B Scores/Standi

Serie A, Week 16; Games played Sunday, January 17, 1993:

Ancona		1	Udinese		0
Brescia		0	Milan		1
Cagliari	1	Foggia		1
Fiorentina	0	Torino		0
Genoa		1	Atalanta	0
Inter		2	Parma		1
Juventus	2	Pescara		1
Napoli		3	Lazio		1
Roma		0	Sampdoria	0


Serie A standings after 16 games:

		W	T	L	GF	GA	PTS	MI
Milan		13	3	0	37	14	29	5
Inter		9	3	4	30	22	21	-3
Lazio		6	6	4	33	25	18	-6
Juventus	6	6	4	29	21	18	-6
Atalanta	8	2	6	20	22	18	-6
Torino		4	9	3	17	12	17	-7
Sampdoria	5	7	4	28	26	17	-7
Fiorentina	5	6	5	29	27	16	-8
Parma		7	2	7	19	20	16	-8
Cagliari	6	4	6	15	16	16	-8
Genoa		4	7	5	24	32	15	-9
Udinese		6	2	8	23	22	14	-10
Napoli		6	2	8	25	27	14	-10
Brescia		4	6	6	16	22	14	-10
Foggia		5	4	7	20	29	14	-10
Roma		4	5	7	17	18	13	-11
Ancona		4	2	10	26	40	10	-14
Pescara		3	2	11	24	37	8	-16


Serie B, Week 19; Games played Sunday, January 17, 1993:

Ascoli		3	Padova		1
Bari		2	Modena		1
Bologna		1	Monza		1
Lucchese	1	Lecce		1
Piacenza	1	Cosenza		1
Reggiana	2	Andria		0
Spal		2	Verona		1
Taranto		0	Cesena		3
Ternana		1	Cremonese	2
Venezia		0	Pisa		1


Serie B standings after 19 games:

		W	T	L	GF	GA	PTS	MI
Reggiana	12	7	0	26	5	31	2
Cremonese	10	5	4	39	23	25	-3
Lecce		8	9	2	26	22	25	-3
Cosenza		7	10	2	21	11	24	-4
Ascoli		9	5	4	29	16	23	-4
Venezia		8	6	5	24	16	22	-7
Piacenza	7	8	4	21	15	22	-7
Padova		7	6	6	23	21	20	-8
Verona		7	6	6	20	18	20	-8
Cesena		6	7	6	22	17	19	-9
Pisa		7	5	6	11	11	19	-8
Bari		7	4	7	20	23	18	-8
Bologna		6	5	8	17	22	17	-12
Monza		3	10	6	12	18	16	-12
Modena		5	6	8	15	24	16	-12
Spal		4	8	7	14	23	16	-13
Lucchese	2	9	8	14	20	13	-16
Andria		1	9	8	12	22	11	-17
Taranto		2	7	10	11	28	11	-18
Ternana		1	6	12	12	34	8	-21

    What were the cup results last week ??   I missed the highlights of
    the Inter v. Milan match on BBC ..
    
    Thanks - Ray

    
    inter milan 0 0
    juve parma 2 1
    napoli roma 0 0
    lazio torino 2 2

    
    Could someone enter the reults from Serie A matches played today ?
    The SFA in their wisdom decided to black out Channel 4's TV coverage
    of Italian football today, beacuse of Scottish & English Cup ties 
    alread being shown live on BBC/ITV.
    

    
    Sorry, JJ.
    
    Didn`t manage to find out any of the Serie A scores,
    BUT, I did manage to hear the Falkirk score... 8-)))))
    
    dededededededededede

    
    Men have died for less ya bugga !
    
    

    
    JJ
    
    No need to write out my whole name !!!
    John Paul would have been sufficient ... 8*)))))
    
    

  milan pescara 4 0
  cagliari inter 0 0
  fiorentina lazio 0 2
  napoli foggia 2 0
  torino brescia 1 0
  sampdoria ancona 3 1
  roma genoa 3 0
  atalanta juve 2 1
  udinese parma 2 0  (not very sure but udinese won)

    
    
    Did Gazza play against Fiorentina?   How did he play & did he score?
    
    
    
    Thanks,
    Michael
    

Gazza played the full 90 mins; didn't score.
Platt played 75 mins for Juve. Platt also played 
in a midweek friendly and scored twice.

Both look good for San Marino game.

 milan doria 4 0
 roma juve   2 1
 toro pescara 3 1
 fiorentina inter 2 2
 udinese foggia 3 2
 napoli ancona 0 0
 genoa lazio 2 3
 brescia parma 0 1
 cagliari atalanta 2 1

  milan fiorentina 2 0
  atalanta inter 1 1
  parma lazio 2 1
  ancona genoa 0 0
  doria torino 0 1
  juve napoli 4 3
  foggia brescia 0 0
  pescara udinese 2 2
  roma cagliari 1 1

    
    torino juve 1 1
    roma milan  2 0

	Anyone have some sort of match report on AC Milan's defeat at the
        hands of Roma? Milan's streak was 57 games - I suppose this was
        going to happen sooner or later...Now can they rebound Sunday against
        Lazio :-))).

        Jerry

                -< AC Milan's Great Streak Comes to an End.... >-

The 57 game unbeaten run is in the league. Milan were beaten in last seasons
semi final against Juve also.

�@

  lazio milan 2 2
  inter roma 1 1
  ancona parma 1 1
  cagliari doria 0 2
  toro atalanta 1 1
  genoa foggia 0 0
  napoli udinese 3 0
  fiorentina pescara 2 0
  brescia juve 2 0

    
    Well, just got back from a week in Roma..mainly to see the sights.but
    managed to see both Milan games against Roma on the Wednesday and Lazio
    on the Sunday. 
    
    Roma were all over Milan in the first half and could have been 2/3
    goals up. Haessler was outstanding in the first half..Caneggia a prop..
    The first goal came as a result of good pressure mainly from Hessler
    down the left hand side. The second came on time with a through ball
    from Haessler for Caneggia to put away...a run of the pitch with the
    Olympic Stadium on its feet for what seemed ages before hitting the
    onion bag. Atmosphere incredible..you'd think Roma had won the Cup.
    
    Sunday: Milan were a different shape this time ..no Gullit..Lentini
    starting the game (well he didn't even do that; he was useless).
    Papin after about 10 minutes scored a cracker of a goal from the edge
    of the area whilst most strikers would have controlled, teed up and
    shot he let fly from the cross. Second goal for Milan was a terrible
    own goal from Winter...Lazio's keeper not the best. Enter GAZZA...
    within the minute Gazza was on the score sheet...Second half and Gazza
    was amazing..around 5 defenders but a weak shot to the excellent
    Milan's keeper Rossi. 3 minutes from time and the equaliser..2-2.
    Enter Italian Police...in the South Curve where I was 50m away, the Milan
    supporters rushed..the Police moved in..I've seen the police in England
    and Germany but these guys went in like something from South Africa.
    No prisoners...
    
    Excellent week in entertainment..Stark difference between a night and
    day game...will definitely go back to see some more of the GREATEST
    league in the World..well in money terms. Major difference in terms of 
    England/Germany type football. 
    	England		Full blooded, committed ,not so skillful, fair
        Germany		Hard, cynical, skillful.
    	Italy		Hard, Very skillful, lackadaisical, surprisingly
   			fair.
    
    The most impressive figure over the two matches was Baresi. 33-years
    but still outstanding in his vision, control and domination of anything
    around the penealty area.
    Disappointing figure had to be Lentini..around 13 million pounds for
    this guy ??!!??
    Joy to see ....Gazza...  and so do the Romans....
    
    Regards,
    
    Dezzz.
      
       
    

    Brilliant report Des - thanks.
    
    Didin't Gazza look fat or unfit or anything? Can we expect him to do
    the business for England??
    
    Jamie

    
    Gazza is getting there on the fitness stakes..he'll always look stocky
    but that's his build. Strangely enough he suffered on a period
    in the middle of the second half of this trait I noticed in the Italian 
    game of the mind wandering. He was caught napping himself whilst on the
    other hand hit balls where the team-mate was taking 40 winks. Now,
    whether this is due to the seemingly constant changing about of
    line-ups (ala AC Milan with 6 foreigners) creating a sense of anonymity
    each time they start a game or the customary Italian mid-afternoon
    break..your guess.
    
    This problem of team lineup is very notable in the case of David Platt.
    He had very 'reasonable game' in the 4-3 home win last Sunday week. The
    Corrierre dello Sport gave the whole team a thumbs down (not just
    Platt) against Brescia but what is Trappotoni thinking of in starting
    both Dino and Roberto Baggio on the bench. So against Benfica he leaves
    in Cesar and Kohler, drops Platt, presumably starts Baggio and brings
    in Andreas Moeller...??!!?? I wish Preston North End had these
    problems...
    
	Don't expect Gazza to miss out on these musical chairs even though
    he's Zoff's blue-eyed boy at the moment. The CdS was speculating of
    which one of the Germans should partner Signori..Doll or Riedle whilst
    if you remember early on in the season Gazza was only brought on/in to
    replace one of these two !!
    
    The fun starts when the music stops.....
    
    Dezzz. 

    
    Can we take it that all the "Gazza's For Sale" stuff in some of the
    press recently is rubbish then ?.
    
    I saw the game on C4 on Sunday, and despite the fact that it still
    looks like he cant run properly, he still looked a very good player
    on a pitch full of good players. He just needs to get consistancy in
    his performances.
    
    At the start of the game on Sunday it was stated that Lazio probably
    wont see the best of him until next season. I would agree with that.
    
    Alot of people are willing him to fail in Italy, under the impression
    that he over rated, mind you thats probably because he is English. I
    still think he can get to the top and be recognised as the worlds best. 
    
    He's in the only league to do it.
    
    Dave... 

    
    I didn't realise it was on C4..you'll therfore have noticed that at
    certain times he was orchestrating the team..that's important; if he is
    to elevate to being one of the best..he should take a tip out of
    Platini, Maradonna and Matthaus's rise to that pinacle..let them know
    you're there, do the business and most of all say what he fans want to 
    and like hearing...
    
    Rgds,
    
    Dezzz.

    
    I would agree with that, he didnt dominate the game throughout for
    Lazio, but he was easily there most influencial player. His teammates
    seem to be more and more turning to him to set things up aswell.  
    
    I was dissapointed in Milan, they were all over the place at the back
    in the second half, the offside trap seemed to fall apart and Lazio
    must be kicking themselves that they didnt win. They had so many
    chances in the second half, with Singiori (sp) being guilty of missing
    a couple of sitters.
     
    It was a good game though....
    
    Dave...
    
    

     
    >>I was dissapointed in Milan, they were all over the place at the back
    >>in the second half, the offside trap seemed to fall apart
    
    	Exactly Dave, if Porto play the flanks tonight...expect a shock!!
    
    

 atalanta lazio 2 2
 milan parma 0 1
 juve inter 0 2
 cagliari brescia 3 1
 pescara genoa 1 2
 doria fiorentina 2 0
 udinese toro 1 0
 roma napoli 1 1
 foggia ancona 1 0

    How's the top of the Italian league looking at the moment??
    Haven't seen an update for quite awhile.
    
    Keith.

    
    AC Milan are on top methinks ?!?!?!
    
    Dezzz.

    
    25th day:
    
    Napoli	- Bergamo	1:0
    Fiorentina	- Cagliari	2:1
    Parma	- Foggia	4:0
    Ancona	- Juventus	0:1
    AC Torino	- AC Milan	1:1
    Inter	- Pescara	2:0
    Brescia	- AS Roma	0:2
    FC Genoa	- Sampdoria	0:0
    Lazio	- Udinese	4:0
    
     1. AC Milan		54:21	41: 9
     2. Inter			42:29	33:17
     3. Lazio			51:37	29:21
     4. AC Torino		28:20	28:22
     5. Sampdoria		39:34	28:22
     6. AC Parma		31:26	28:22
     7. Juventus		40:34	27:23
     8. At. Bergamo		30:32	27:23
     9. AS Roma			30:24	26:24
    10. Cagliari		26:26	26:24
    11. SSC Napoli		37:35	24:26
    12. Fiorentina		38:41	22:28
    13. Udinese			33:39	22:28
    14. US Foggia		26:40	22:28
    15. Genoa 1893		30:43	21:29
    16. Brescia			21:33	19:31
    17. Ancona			31:50	15:35
    18. Pescara			31:54	12:38
    
    Source: Hamburger Morgenpost	copied w/o permission
    

    
    cup :
    
     milan 1 roma 0      ROMA qualified
     juve  2 toro 2      TORINO qualified
    

   I saw both games to their full, and they were great right up till the final
whistle blew. Ac Milan should have scored a bunch of goals but it was not their
lucky night, even the refs help done no good. Last nights game was a derby and
I enjoyed every minute of it. My man of the match was the referee who always had
a smile on his face and had the game in total control, without having to produce
a bunch of cards.

                                                                -dave-

    VNS reports that Cannigia (sp?) of Roma has been caught doing the same 
    naughty things that his fellow countryman Maradona did i.e drugs.
    
    anyone have anymore news? if I remember right Cannigia was the only 
    non-dirty player Argentina had in the last World Cup.
    
    Regards,
    
    Andrew.D.Wicks 

I heard on the news that he faces a possible 2 year ban which would mean he'd
miss USA '94 ( Assuming The cheating S.A. .... Sorry Argentina make it :-)  )


Al

    Al,
    
    good to hear that you don't hold any grudges from an event that
    happened 7 years ago... (:==:)
    
    Regards,
    
    Andrew.D.Wicks

Andrew,

	I didn't even think of that incident ( Honest guv )

	I was thinking more of the tactic they used in Italy, when as one of the
worst teams in the last 16 they managed by timewasting and any other method they
could think of, to make sure the opposition didn't score, and take the tie to 
penatlies. 

In a word Unsportsman like behaviour

>if I remember right Cannigia was the only non-dirty player Argentina had in the
>last World Cup.

Why did he miss the final then ???!!!

Al - Who_doesn't_hold_any_grudges_against_dumpy_argies_cos_he's_Scottish :-)

I don't really see why having traces of cocaine in your
bod is a problem. I'm no pharmacologist but as far as I
know it is not an athletic performance enhancing
substance - if anything I would have thought it would
degrade performance. So, if they do anything they should
put the matter in the hands of the plod and fine him for
not living a sportman's lifestyle.

Jamie

    re.  .235
    
    >>if I remember right Cannigia was the only non-dirty player Argentin
    >>had in the last World Cup.
    
    > Why did he miss the final then ???!!!
    
    
    He got sent off for a *very* silly handball.   He was standing in the
    center circle at the time.  There was no danger.
    
    
    Eddie.

 UDINESE MILAN 0 0
 INTER ANCONA 3 0
 NAPOLI CAGLIARI 1 0
 PARMA ROMA 3 1
 ATALANTA DORIA 1 2
 JUVENTUS FIORENTINA 3 0
 GENOA BRESCIA 1 1
 LAZIO PESCARA 2 1
 FOGGIA TORINO 0 0

 
  MILAN 
  INTER -4    

 LAZIO ANCONA 5 0
 TORO CAGLIARI 0 5
 PESCARA NAPOLI 3 0
 ATALANTA FIORENTINA 2 1
 MILAN ROMA 0 0
 PARMA JUVE 2 1 
 UDINESE BRESCIA 2 2
 FOGGIA SAMPDORIA 1 0
 GENOA INTER 1 0

 MILAN 
 INTER -4

 ANCONA 
 PESCARA    relegated  


 REGGIANA   Div1 next year for the firt time.  

 3 matches to go

 CAGLIARI MILAN 1 1
 INTER FOGGIA 1 1
 ANCONA PESCARA 5 3
 BRESCIA LAZIO 2 0
 GENOA PARMA 1 1
 JUVE DORIA 1 1
 NAPOLI TORINO 1 1
 ROMA ATALANTA 2 2
 FIORENTINA UDINESE 2 2    
    
 MILAN 
 INTER -4
 ...

 ...
 GENOA 
 FIORENTINA BRESCIA UDINESE -1

Down
 ANCONA  
 PESCARA 

 parma inter 2 0
 milan brescia 1 1
 lazio napoli 4 3
 doria roma 2 2
 atalanta genoa 1 2
 pescara juve 5 1
 udinese ancona 2 0
 torino fiorentina 1 1
 foggia cagliari 1 1

 
 MILAN won the title    

British TV showed the Milan-Brescia game on Sunday. They had Liam Brady on as 
a commentator, and as the game fell asleep in the second half Brady said that 
both teams were happy with a point and he'd be amazed if there was another 
shot. The next thing, the ball's in the Brescia net, and they're staring 
relegation in the face again. They attack, walk through the Milan defence and 
it's 1-1.

Brady said 'Today you've seen some of what Italian football is really like - 
Milan gave them that goal; Baresi made no attempt to stop him'.

I'm not so sure about Baresi, but what about the general point - was there an 
agreement to draw? Does this sort of thing happen?

g

    
    I watched it and found it extremely boring and unsporting. I 
    believe Milan had a duty to their fans and the other teams in
    the relegation fight, and that was to at least attempt to win
    the match. Brescia's goal was incredibly poorly defended and
    I just can't believe that the Milan defence is that bad.
    
    Tim

    
    
    Does the draw with Milan take Brescia out of the bottom four? Last
    night on RTE they showed the highlights of the Fiorentina v Torino
    match. Fiorentina snatched a deserved point with a late equaliser
    but they are now in the bottom four. They showed the goals from all
    the other matches and the commentator said that Milan seemed to be
    embarrassed to go a goal up against Brescia. Next thing, Brescia
    equalised. Was it lack of effort on Milans's part? I'd hate to see
    Fiorentina relegated as the seem to be a good side.
    
    Denis.
    

    
    GENOA 
    UDINESE -1                    2  relagated
    BRESCIA FIORENTINA -2
    
    ANCONA PESCARA relegatet

    I agree with the last few.  It had to be a fix.  When Milan scored the
    goalkeeper and the rest of the team had a look on their face like "what
    are you doing?" Then the goal against Milan was just pathetic.  Baresi
    didn't even run after the man and Rossi did a piece of acting that even
    Madonna would have baulked at.  I just can't believe it was so blatent. 
    Some of the other teams in the relegation battle should really be
    p*ssed off.

 ancona atalanta 0 2
 genoa milan 2 2
 inter torino 3 0
 roma udinese 1 1
 juventus lazio 4 1
 napoli parma 1 1
 fiorentina foggia 6 2
 cagliari pescara 4 0
 brescia sampdoria 3 1

 ancona pescara fiorentina   down to div2

 brescia - udinese  for the fourth relegation 

RE. 247

If four teams go down who's coming up from the 2nd..??

Tony

 Div 2 has two more matches to play

 For the moment Reggiana and Cremonese are up to Div1


 Piacenza Padova Ascoli Lecce  for the other two places

 Uefa cup

 JUVENTUS
 INTER 
 LAZIO
 CAGLIARI

    I thought Italy would have at least one more team in the UEFA cup???? Don't
Juve qualify automatically because they won it this year?????? I believe four
German teams qualify for the UEFA cup next year which should normally mean that
at least five Italian teams qualify due to their record in Europe over the past
few seasons.... Is four definite????? seems a bit strange!!!!!!

                                                  regards.....    -dave-

>    I thought Italy would have at least one more team in the UEFA cup???? Don't
>Juve qualify automatically because they won it this year?????? I believe four


The winner of the UEFA cup is NOT qualified for the year's after tournament. It
is strange there the other two cupwinners automatically are qualified.

P

    
    Well that's strange, in 1979/80 when Borussia Moenchengladbach were
    holders of the UEFA Cup they were joined by 4 other German teams in the
    competition. In fact that year all 5 made it to the quarter finals and
    the semi-finals were a all-German affair.
    
    Dezzz.
     

    
    How come Fiorentina were relegated to Seria B , and how come
    Brescia and Udinese have to play off too see which of them is
    relegated , correct me if I'm wrong but hadn't these 3 teams the
    same number of points...what system do they use in Italy.?????.
    
    jm

    
    Apparently, if two or more teams finish level on points, the method of
    deciding the table position is by the record these teams have against 
    each other during the season (at least this is what I heard). It seems
    that Fiorentina took less points off Brescia and Udinese from their
    matches.
    
    Tim                            

    Whao!!! Fiorentina in "B" division! I don't think I remember the last
    time Fiorentina was in the B. Anyone out there (older then I) that can
    tell when was that?
    
    Thanks,
    Nick

I'm not sure but I think it's in the region of 55 years according to BBC CEEFAX

Al

    Apparently, and they were quoting ticket priced for it so it must be
    true the Italian Super Cup (or something like that) will instead
    of being played in Italy be played at RFK stadium in washington d.C
    the u.S.A on August 21st.
    
    can someone confirm this?
    
    what next the Autoglass trophy in Orlando florida
    (think about it - let's see if anyone gets the joke?)
    
    regards,
    
    Andrew.D.wicks

    
    
 Fist match forthe CUP    Torino 3 Roma 0
    
 Udinese 3 Brescia 1       Brescia down to Div 2

                          
 from Div 2 to Div 1

 Reggiana
 Cremonese
 Lecce
 Piacenza     

 from Div 2 to Div 3

 Ternana 
 Taranto
 Bologna 
 Spal

 from Div 3 to Div 2 

 Ravenna
 Vicenza
 Palermo
 Perugia/Acireale 
 

    
    cup winner TORINO    (roma torino 5 2)  
                         (torino roma 3 0)

Ruud Gullit has signed for Sampdoria. Rumours that they're after David Platt 
as well. Will Lombardo be staying?

grahame

 Not only has Gullit signed for Sampdoria but Evani and Platt as well.... Does
anyone out there know how many foreigners they now possess??? Has anybody left
the club????
                                                            regards..

                                                                -dave-

According to my paper, Sampdoria now have 4: Gullit, Platt, Jugovic and 
Katanec - no mention of Evani.

And I started wondering, are there any English players who've been to Italy in 
the last 10 years who HAVEN'T signed for Sampdoria?!!

g

    The foreigners at Sampdoria are now Gullit, Platt, Jugovic and another
    Croatian, whose name escapes incredibly escapes me at the moment (tall
    midfielder who used to play for Stuttgart - I think his name begins
    with "K").
    
    In addition to Walker, Buso (a striker who played only a handful of
    games last year) has moved on to Naples. Lanna (a centre back who has
    played for the national team) has been transferred to A.S. Roma. 
    
    I think Bonetti (full back) has changed clubs too.

    Hmm, notes clash (.263, .264).
    
>According to my paper, Sampdoria now have 4: Gullit, Platt, Jugovic and 
>Katanec - no mention of Evani.
    
    You probably saw a list of Sampdoria's *foreigners*. Evani is Italian
    (ex- A.C. Milan).
    
    Dom

oops, thanks, Dom - wish I'd put as much thought into writing it as you did 
reading it!!

g

    RE .264:
    
    	Is Katanec the one you're thinking of? As far as I remember, he
    played for Stuttgart.
    
    
    Eduard

    >Is Katanec the one you're thinking of? As far as I remember, he
    >played for Stuttgart.
    
    Yep, that's the man. I think he's been injured for the best part of this
    season. In fact, I know Sampdoria were a bit sceptical about confirming
    him.
    
    Dom

From: [email protected] (UPI)
Subject: Milan's Lentini in coma after car crash
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 93 7:00:36 PDT

	TORINO, Italy (UPI) -- AC Milan's international midfielder Gianluigi
Lentini is in a serious but stable condition with head injuries after
his Porsche crashed in a ball of flames on a motorway early Tuesday,
doctors said.
	According to investigators, the 24-year-old, who joined Milan from
Torino for a world record fee of dlrs 18million in July 1992, lost
control of his yellow Porsche Carrera 911 on a curve of the Piacenza-
Turin motorway at around 2 a.m. (0000gmt).
	The car went into a ditch, bounced against the motorway boundary
fence, came back onto the road and caught fire.
	Lentini was thrown from the vehicle onto the pavement, police said.
	He was immediately aided by a passing truck driver, who notified
police moments after the crash.
	Lentini was taken to hospital in nearby Asti before being transferred
to Turin for treatment including a brain scan.
	``He is in a coma,'' said Milan team doctor Rodolfo Tavana. ``I'm not
pessimistic, but we might not know more about his condition for several
days.''
	A midday medical bulletin Tuesday said: ``Lentini is is a coma with
cranial trauma, but without signs of suffering. The morning brain scan
confirmed that his injuries are limited. He is being kept under
observation. The prognosis is reserved, but doctors are optimistic.''
	Milan club officials said that Lentini had been returning to his home
near Turin after playing in an exhibition soccer tournament in Genoa
with Milan, Genoa and Brazilian side Flamengo.
	``He was looking forward to two days off,'' said his father Luigi.
	The Porsche was completely destroyed in the fire. Investigators
said that the left rear tire of the car had been substituted with the
spare, probably after a puncture. The substitute tire should be driven
only at low speeds of 60-70 kph (37-43mph).
	``Excessive speed or falling asleep at the wheel appear to be the
probable causes of this accident,'' said a police official. ``The spare
wheel, when driven over a certain speed, also tends to lose most of its
traction.'' 

    
    Read it here to in the English papers.....
    
    Lets hope its not to serious and best wishes and a speedy recovery
    to Gianluigi..

    re: .269
    
    Also bad news for A.S. Roma this week - Fellini taken to hospital 
    with a suspected stroke.
    
    -Dermot

    First day of league 1993/94
    
    Atalanta	 -	 Cagliari	 : 5 - 2
    Genoa 	 -	 Roma		 : 2 - 0
    Inter	 - 	 Reggiana	 : 2 - 1
    Juventus 	 - 	 Cremonese	 : 1 - 0
    Lazio	 -  	 Foggia		 : 0 - 0
    Lecce 	 - 	 Milan		 : 0 - 1
    Napoli	 - 	 Sampdoria	 : 1 - 2
    Piacenza 	 - 	 Torino		 : 0 - 3
    Udinese	 - 	 Parma		 : 0 - 1
    
    
    

    
    How did Fiorentina do in Serie B? I would appreciate regular updates
    on their progress.
    
    Thanks...Denis.

    
    1st day in Serie B:
    
    Palermo - Fiorentina : 0 - 3
    
    

    
    Roma v Juve was live on Channel 4 today.  Roma won a cracking game 2-1.
    Balbo gave Roma a 33rd minute lead.  Juve dominated the game, missed 2
    second half penalties through Baggio and Vialli before eventually
    equalising through Moller after 78 minutes.  Muzzi stole the game for
    Roma after good work from Balbo.
    
    Anyone think Lorrieri should have been sent off for the challenge in
    the first penalty?
    
    Other results from memory
    
    Milan 1 Genoa 0
    Cremonese 2 Napoli 0
    Torino 2 Atalanta 1
    Doria won 2-1.
    Inter were drawing 1-1 at Foggia
    Cagliari lost 2-1 at home.
    
    Gary.

    
    2nd day in league:                         
    
    Cagliari	-	Udinese		: 1 - 2
    Cremonese	-	Napoli		: 2 - 0
    Foggia 	-	Inter		: 1 - 1
    Milan	- 	Genoa		: 1 - 0
    Parma	-	Lecce		: 1 - 0
    Reggiana	- 	Lazio		: 0 - 0
    AS Roma	-	Juventus	: 2 - 1
    Sampdoria	-	Piacenza	: 2 - 1
    Torino	- 	Atalanta	: 2 - 1
    
    Serie B :
    
    Fiorentina	-	Venezia		: 4 - 0

    3rd day in league
    
    Atalanta	-	Reggiana	: 2 - 1
    Genoa	-	Cagliari	: 1 - 1
    Inter	-	Cremonese	: 2 - 1
    Juventus	- 	Sampdoria	: 3 - 1
    Lazio 	- 	Parma		: 2 - 1
    Lecce	-	Foggia		: 0 - 2
    Napoli	-	Torino		: 0 - 0
    Piacenza	-	AC Milan	: 0 - 0
    Udinese	-	AS Roma		: 0 - 0
    

    4th day in league
    
    Cagliari	-	Inter		: 1 - 0
    Cremonese	-	Lazio		: 1 - 0
    Foggia	-	Juventus	: 1 - 1
    AC Milan	-	Atalanta	: 2 - 0
    Parma      	-	Genoa 		: 2 - 1
    Reggiana	-	Piacenza	: 1 - 1
    AS Roma	- 	Napoli		: 2 - 3
    Sampdoria	-	Lecce		: 2 - 1
    Torino	-	Udinese		: 1 - 0
    
    Serie B (3rd)
    
    Cosenza	-	Fiorentina	: 1 - 1
    

    5th day
    
    Atalanta	-	Cremonese	0 - 0
    Foggia 	-	Cagliari	0 - 1
    Genoa 	-	Napoli		0 - 0
    Juventus	-	Reggiana	4 - 0
    Lazio	-	Inter		0 - 0
    Milan	-	AS Roma		2 - 0
    Parma	-	Torino		3 - 0
    Piacenza	-	Lecce		2 - 1
    Udinese	-	Sampdoria	0 - 2
    
    
    Milan 	9                Goleador	Moeller (Juventus)	4
                                                Ganz    (Atalanta)
    Parma	8                               Valdes  (Cagliari)
    Sampdoria	
    
    Juventus	7
    Torino
    
    Inter	6
    
    Atalanta    5
    Cremonese
    Foggia
    Lazio
    Cagliari
    
    Genoa	4
    Napoli
    Piacenza
    
    Udinese	3
    Roma
    
    Reggiana	2
    	
    Lecce	0
    
    
    Serie B:
    
    Fiorentina	-	Vicenza		1 - 1

    6th day
    
    Cagliari	-	Lazio		4 - 1
    Cremonese	-	Milan		0 - 2
    Inter	- 	Piacenza	2 - 0
    Lecce	- 	Juventus	1 - 1
    Napoli	- 	Udinese		2 - 1
    Reggiana	- 	Foggia		0 - 0
    Roma	-	Atalanta	2 - 1
    Sampdoria	- 	Parma		1 - 1
    Torino	-	Genoa		2 - 0

    
    Milan 	11                
                                  Goleador      Ganz    (Atalanta)    5
    Parma	9                               Valdes  (Cagliari)
    Sampdoria	
    Torino
    
    Juventus	8
    Inter
    
    Cagliari    7
    
    Foggia      6
    Napoli
    
    Atalanta    5
    Cremonese
    Lazio
    Roma
    
    Genoa	4
    Piacenza
    
    Udinese	3
    Reggiana
    
    Lecce       1
    
                                                                       
    Serie B:
    
    Fiorentina	-	Brescia		2 - 1
    

What are the top 3 in the Italian Serie B?

Cheers,
Mike

    
    Fiorentina	8 		Pisa		4
    Bari                        MONZA		
    Cosenza                     Acireale
                                Vicenza
    Padova	7
    Cesena                      Ravenna		3
                                Verona
    F.Andria	6               Modena
    
    Ascoli	5               Palermo         2
    Ancona
    Brescia                     Pescara         1
    Lucchese
    Venezia
                                                 

    
    7th day
    
    Atalanta	-	Sampdoria	1 - 4
    Genoa	-	Reggiana	0 - 0
    Juventus	-	Torino		3 - 2
    Milan	-	Lazio		0 - 0
    Napoli	-	Inter		0 - 0
    Parma	-	Foggia		3 - 0
    Piacenza	-	Cagliari	1 - 1
    Roma	-	Cremonese	1 - 2
    Udinese	-	Lecce		2 - 1
   
    
     
                    
    Milan	12                Goleador      Ganz    (Atalanta)    5
                                                Moeller (Juventus)
    Parma	11                              Valdes  (Cagliari)
    Sampdoria	                                Zola	(Parma)
                                                
    Juventus    10
    
    Inter        9
    Torino
    
    Cagliari     8
    
    Cremonese	 7
    Napoli	 7
    
    Foggia       6
    Lazio
    
    Atalanta     5
    Genoa
    Roma
    Piacenza
    Udinese
    
    Reggiana     4
    
    Lecce        1
    

    
    8th day
    
    Cagliari	-	Napoli		1 - 2
    Cremonese	-	Parma		0 - 0
    Foggia	-	Milan		1 - 1
    Inter	-	Torino		0 - 0
    Juventus	-	Atalanta	2 - 1
    Lazio	-	Piacenza	1 - 0
    Lecce	-	Genoa		0 - 0
    Reggiana	-	Udinese		1 - 1
    Sampdoria	-	Roma		0 - 1

    
     
                    
    Milan	13                Goleador      Ganz    (Atalanta)    6
                                                Moeller (Juventus)
    Parma	12                              
    Juventus	                                
                                                
    Sampdoria   11
    
    Inter       10
    Torino
    
    Napoli	 9
    
    Cagliari     8
    Cremonese
    Lazio
                  
    Foggia       7
    Roma
    
    Genoa	 6
    Udinese
    
    Atalanta     5
    Piacenza
    
    Reggiana     5
    
    Lecce        2
    
    
    

    
    9th day
    
    Atalanta	-	Foggia		1 - 1
    Cremonese	-	Cagliari	3 - 1
    Genoa	-	Piacenza	0 - 1
    Milan	-	Juventus	1 - 1
    Napoli	-	Lecce		3 - 1
    Parma	-	Reggiana	1 - 0
    Roma 	-	Lazio	 	1 - 1
    Torino	-	Sampdoria	2 - 3
    Udinese	-	Inter		0 - 1

     
    Parma	14                
    Milan	                  Goleador      Ganz    (Atalanta)    6
                                                Moeller (Juventus)
    Sampdoria	13                              Valdes  (Cagliari)
    Juventus	                                
                                                
    Inter       12
    
    Napoli	11
    
    Torino	10
    Cremonese
    
    Lazio	 9
    
    Cagliari     8
    Foggia
    Roma

    Piacenza	 7
    
    Genoa	 6
    Udinese
    Atalanta
    
    Reggiana     5
    
    Lecce        2
    

    
    9th day Serie B
    
    Acireale	-	Ascoli		1 - 1
    Ancona	-	Cesena		4 - 1
    Bari	-	Fiorentina	0 - 1
    Brescia	-	Palermo		1 - 0
    Cosenza	-	Venezia		1 - 1
    Lucchese	-	Monza		2 - 0
    Modena	-	Verona		1 - 0
    Pescara	-	F.Andria	0 - 3
    Ravenna	-	Pisa		2 - 1
    Vicenza	-	Padova		1 - 1
    
    
    Fiorentina	14
    
    Cosenza	12
    Cesena
    
    Brescia	11
    Bari
    Ancona
    Padova
    Lucchese
    
    F.Andria	10
    
    Venezia	 9
    Modena
    
    Ascoli	 8
    Verona
    Acireale
    
    Vicenza	 7
    
    Ravenna	 6
    Pisa	
    Palermo
    
    Monza	 5
    
    Pescara	 2

    
    10th day "Serie A"
    
    Cagliari	Torino		2 - 1
    Foggia	Cremonese	1 - 1
    Inter	Parma		3 - 2
    Juventus	Genoa		4 - 0
    Lazio	Udinese		2 - 1
    Lecce	Atalanta	5 - 1
    Piacenza	Napoli		1 - 1
    Reggiana	Roma		0 - 0
    Sampdoria	Milan		3 - 2
    
    
    Sampdoria	15	Cagliari	10	   Goleador:
    Juventus		Foggia		 9	   8 R.Baggio (Juventus)	
    Parma	14	Roma			   7 Ganz     (Atalanta)
    Milan		Piacenza	 8	     Moeller  (Juventus)
    Inter		Genoa		 6	     Valdes   (Cagliari)
    Napoli	12	Udinese
    Cremonese	11	Atalanta
    Lazio		Reggiana
    Torino	10	Lecce		 4
    

    
    I bet Milan must be feeling foolish for letting Gullit leave. That
    was a brilliant goal he scored on Sunday.
    
    Denis.

What's the feeling in Italy about Milan? Is this a real problem, or just a
temporary set-back in their inevitable third straight championship victory? Does
anybody really believe that someone other than Milan is going to win the league?

Mike

    This year Italian league seems to be more exciting then last one,
    because Milan isn't the same team of last years and the others are
    a little bit growing (Juventus, Parma, Inter & Sampdoria).
    
    Milan is becoming a normal team and his game isn't as exciting as two
    or three years ago. I think this is due to the new coach (Fabio
    Capello) who survived on work done by Arrigo Sacchi, and to the leaving
    of players like Ruud Gullit and Frank Rijkaard, who was the "soul" of 
    AC Milan in the past years.
    
    Now AC Milan is living a new reality and the staff is not ready so they
    want to give the responsibility of losing their leadership to
    the "black men" (referees).
    
    I don't know which is the winning team this year, I think it will be
    decided in the last rounds.
    If I have to tell one name... Juventus (I hope).
    
    Lele.
    

    
    11th day "Serie A"
    
    Atalanta	Piacenza	0 - 0
    Cremonese	Lecce		2 - 1
    Inter	Milan		1 - 2
    Napoli	Lazio		1 - 2
    Parma	Juventus	2 - 0
    Roma	Foggia		0 - 0
    Sampdoria	Cagliari	1 - 2
    Torino	Reggiana	2 - 0
    Udinese	Genoa		0 - 4
    
    
    Parma	16	Cagliari	12	   Goleador:
    Milan		Foggia		10	   8 R.Baggio (Juventus)	
    Sampdoria	15	Roma			     A.Silenzi(Torino)
    Juventus		Piacenza	 9	   
    Inter	14	Genoa		 8	   
    Cremonese   13      Atalanta	 5
    Lazio               Lecce		 4
    Napoli	12	Udinese
    Torino		Reggiana
    

    For those guys that live in the Londonderry, NH area (or get cable
    servie from Harron Cable) every sunday morning on channel 59 they show
    a live game from Italy (I believe it is thru RAI network). Yesterday, I
    saw the game between Inter vs AC Milan. Inter blew few chances at the
    end to tie the game.
    
    They usually start showing the game around 8:30-9:00am.  So far they
    have showing some of the top teams (e.g Milan, Parma, Juventus,
    Sampdoria).
    
    I hope they keep this up every Sunday because it is nice to wake up
    just in time for a good soccer match.
    
    Carlos

    
    Totocalcio will pay Lit 5.256.629.000 to each one
    of the three winners. 
    

    
    12th day "Serie A"
    
    Atalanta	Parma		0 - 2
    Foggia 	Sampdoria	1 - 2
    Genoa	Inter		1 - 0
    Juventus	Cagliari	1 - 1
    Lazio	Torino		1 - 2
    Lecce	Roma		0 - 2
    Milan	Napoli		2 - 1
    Piacenza	Udinese		1 - 1
    Reggiana	Cremonese	2 - 0

    
    Parma	18	Napoli		12	   Goleador:
    Milan		Roma			   9 A.Silenzi (Torino)	
    Sampdoria	17	Foggia		10	     
    Juventus	16	Piacenza	 	   
    Inter	14	Genoa		 	   
    Torino              Reggiana	 6
    Cremonese   13      Atalanta	 5
    Cagliari            Udinese
    Lazio               Lecce		 4
    			
    
                                                     

    
    How about an update on Fiorentina in Serie B please.
    
    Thanks......Denis
    

    
    I know they're on top but I seem to remember the teletext showing it a
    narrower margin than I would have expected from this team...
    
    Dezzz. 

    
    Serie B 12th day
    
    FIORENTINA - RAVENNA  2 - 0
    
    FIORENTINA   19 points
    CESENA       18    "
    PADOVA       16    "
    BARI         15    "
    COSENZA      15    "
    ........
    
    Andrea
    

    
    13th day "Serie A"
    
    Cagliari	Roma		1 - 1     
    Inter	Juventus	2 - 2
    Lazio 	Genoa		4 - 0
    Napoli	Reggiana	5 - 0
    Parma	Milan		0 - 0
    Piacenza	Foggia		5 - 4
    Sampdoria	Cremonese	3 - 1
    Torino	Lecce		3 - 0
    Udinese	Atalanta	0 - 0

    
    Parma	19	Cremonese	13	   Goleador:
    Milan		Roma			   11 A.Silenzi (Torino)	
    Sampdoria		Piacenza	12	    9 R.Baggio  (Juventus) 
    Juventus	17	Foggia		10 	      R.Gullit  (Sampdoria)
    Torino	16	Genoa		 	   
    Inter	15      Reggiana	 8
    Lazio 	15 	Atalanta	 
    Cagliari    14      Udinese
    Napoli              Lecce		 4
    

    Are tickets on sale in Turin for the Torino v Arsenal ECWC quarter final
    tie in March?  If yes, how much?
    
    Mike M
                                                                  

    
    13th day "Serie B"
    
    Acireale	Fiorentina	0 - 0
    Ancona	Cosenza		1 - 0
    Bari	Fidelis Andria	1 - 1
    Brescia	Verona		1 - 1
    Lucchese	Ascoli		0 - 0
    Modena	Palermo		0 - 0
    Monza	Venezia		0 - 0
    Padova	Cesena		3 - 1
    Pescara	Pisa		1 - 0
    Ravenna	Vicenza		2 - 0
    
    
    Fiorentina				20
    Padova  Cesena			18
    Bari				16
    Ancona  Cosenza  Lucchese  F.Andria 15
    Brescia  Venezia			14
    Ascoli				13
    Acireale  Verona			12
    Modena  Vicenza			10
    Pisa				 9
    Pescara  Ravenna  Palermo		 8
    Monza				 7
    

                                          
    14th day "Serie A"
    
    Atalanta	Lazio		1 - 1
    Cremonese	Piacenza	4 - 0
    Foggia	Udinese		2 - 2
    Genoa	Sampdoria	1 - 1
    Juventus	Napoli		1 - 0
    Lecce	Inter		1 - 3
    Milan	Torino		1 - 0
    Reggiana	Cagliari	3 - 1
    Roma	Parma		2 - 0

    
    Milan	21	Cagliari	14	   Goleador:
    Sampdoria	20	Napoli			   11 A.Silenzi (Torino)	
    Parma	19	Piacenza	12	    9 R.Baggio  (Juventus) 
    Juventus		Foggia		11 	      R.Gullit  (Sampdoria)
    Inter	17	Genoa		 	   
    Torino	16      Reggiana	10
    Lazio 	 	Atalanta	 9
    Cremonese   15      Udinese
    Roma                Lecce		 4
    
    

Hi!

Does anyone know the current standing in the Coppa Italia?

Magnus Lundgren
Stockholm
Inter-fan

    
    Gazza returned to the Lazio team yesterday after another long lay off
    and had a blinder setting up 2 goals and scoring one himself. Looking
    at the pictures of him in the paper he's lost alot of weight....This
    can only be great news to England and the incoming manager(who ever
    he is) as he prepares to build his team for the 1996 European
    championships...WORLD BEWARE! THE GREAT ONE'S BACK.....
    
    Neil....

Can anyone tell me what has happened to Futre (sp.),I believe he was transfered from 
Benfica (or was it Porto ?) to Reggiana,scored in his first game and has not been 
heard of since.
Is he injured ?,has he been dropped ?

thanks
Steve.

    
    	As you rightly said, Futre scored on his debut for Reggiana after
    his move from Marseille but then received a bad injury (ligament?) and
    was strtchered off in the same game. A big blow to the team I think as
    he won't be back 'til well into the new year.
    
    	Cheers,
    	    John A.

                                          
    15th dayth day "Serie A"
    
    Cagliari	Parma		0 - 4
    Genoa 	Foggia		1 - 4
    Inter	Sampdoria	3 - 0
    Lazio 	Juventus	3 - 1
    Napoli	Atalanta	4 - 0
    Piacenza	AS Roma		1 - 0
    Reggiana	Lecce		1 - 0
    Torino	Cremonese	1 - 1
    Udinese 	AC Milan	Will be played next 23rd Dec.

    
    Milan	21	Roma		15	   Goleador:
    Parma		Cagliari	14	   12 A.Silenzi (Torino)	
    Sampdoria	20	Piacenza		    9 R.Baggio  (Juventus) 
    Juventus	19	Foggia		13 	      R.Gullit  (Sampdoria)
    Inter		Reggiana	12		 	   
    Lazio	18      Genoa		11
    Torino	17 	Atalanta	 9
    Cremonese   16      Udinese
    Napoli              Lecce		 4
                       

    
    COPPA ITALIA                 And     Rit
    
    Milan	Piacenza	1 - 1	15/12
    Atalanta	Torino		0 - 3	15/12
    Ancona	Avellino	1 - 0	15/12
    Fiorentina	Venezia		1 - 2   15/12
    Parma	Brescia		1 - 1	15/12
    Cesena	Foggia		1 - 0	15/12
    Udinese	Inter		0 - 0	15/12
    Sampdoria	Roma		2 - 1	16/12
    

    15th day   Serie B
    
    Acireale	Ravenna		3 - 3
    Ascoli	Fiorentina	1 - 0
    Bari	Modena		4 - 0
    Brescia	Vicenza		1 - 0
    Cesena	Palermo		1 - 1
    Lucchese	Cosenza		2 - 0
    Monza	Pisa		3 - 1
    Padova	Venezia		0 - 0 
    Pescara 	Ancona		2 - 1
    Verona	Fidelis Andria	0 - 0
    
    
    Fiorentina				22
    Cesena				20
    Bari  Padova			19
    Lucchese				18
    Ascoli  F.Andria			17
    Brescia  Cosenza  Venezia		16
    Ancona				15
    Verona				14
    Acireale				13
    Vicenza				12
    Ravenna  Pisa  Palermo		11
    Pescara  Modena  Monza		10

    Where or where from is ACIREALE? (I'm hoping they're the old AKRAGAS)
    
    NP

    
    They are from ACIREALE, close to CATANIA in Sicily.
    
    Nothing to do with Akragas.
    

    Thank you mr. Biotti.
    
    Do you happen to remember AKRAGAS (Agrigento, Sicily)? They once
    reached the "C" series in Italy...... I wonder what has happened to
    them?
    
    Any Info is welcomed!
    
    Ciao- Nick

    Now Akragas is playing in SERIE C2 Girone C. Girone C.
    
    It's currently at the 4th place with 21 Pts after 13 matches.
    
    Ciao.  Lele.

    So they do still exist!
    
    Good GOD I used to follow them when I was a boy in San Calogero (NARO).
    But that was 35 years ago! I've been away that long!
    
    Grazie Lele, Any update, even if once in a blue moon is appreciated.
    
    Ciao - Nick

    COPPA ITALIA                 And     Rit    Qualified
                                                        
    Milan	Piacenza	1 - 1	0 - 1   Piacenza!!
    Atalanta	Torino		0 - 3	0 - 0   Torino
    Ancona	Avellino	1 - 0	2 - 2   Ancona
    Fiorentina	Venezia		1 - 2   0 - 0   Venezia
    Parma	Brescia		1 - 1	3 - 2   Parma
    Cesena	Foggia		1 - 0	0 - 2   Foggia
    Udinese	Inter		0 - 0	1 - 2   Inter  
    Sampdoria	Roma		2 - 1	16/12
    
    So, Milan is out. I think Capello could start to think about another
    job next year.
    
    Pino (a Savicevic fan)

    G'day or Bonjourno I suppose,
    	I support Verona after a wonderful 2 weeks spent there in 1990 and
    I'm wondering how they're going this year.
    
    Ica

    COPPA ITALIA                 And     Rit    		Qualified
                                                        
    Milan	Piacenza	1 - 1	0 - 1  			Piacenza
    Atalanta	Torino		0 - 3	0 - 0   		Torino
    Ancona	Avellino	1 - 0	2 - 2   		Ancona
    Fiorentina	Venezia		1 - 2   0 - 0   		Venezia
    Parma	Brescia		1 - 1	3 - 2   		Parma
    Cesena	Foggia		1 - 0	0 - 2   		Foggia
    Udinese	Inter		0 - 0	1 - 2   		Inter  
    Sampdoria	Roma		2 - 1	1 - 2  (pen. 7 - 6)	Sampdoria
                                                                
    Lele

    
    17th da "Serie A"
    
    Cagliari	Lecce		2 - 1
    Genoa	Cremonese	1 - 0
    Inter	Atalanta	1 - 2
    Lazio	Sampdoria	1 - 1
    Napoli	Foggia		1 - 1
    Piacenza	Parma		1 - 1
    Reggiana	Milan		0 - 1
    Torino 	Roma		1 - 1
    Udinese	Juventus	0 - 3
    
    
    Milan	25	Roma		17	   Goleador:
    Juventus    23	Cagliari	16	   12 A.Silenzi (Torino)	
    Sampdoria		Foggia			   10 R.Baggio  (Juventus) 
    Parma	22	Piacenza	15 	      R.Gullit  (Sampdoria)
    Lazio	21	Atalanta	13	      Roy       (Foggia)	   
    Inter	20      Genoa		
    Napoli	19 	Reggiana	12
    Torino	18      Udinese         10
    Cremonese	17      Lecce		 4
                       
    On next thursday 6th January will be played the Post-Poned match
    Udinese - Milan.
    
    

    
    17th Serie B
    
    Acireale	Modena		0 - 0
    Ascoli	Pisa		1 - 1
    Brescia	Cosenza		1 - 1
    Cesena	Venezia		1 - 0
    F.Andria	Palermo		0 - 0
    Lucchese	Fiorentina	1 - 1
    Monza	Ancona		2 - 1
    Padova	Ravenna		2 - 2
    Pescara	Bari		1 - 1
    Verona	Vicenza		0 - 0
    
    
    
    Fiorentina			25
    Cesena			23
    Bari  Padova		21
    Lucchese  F.Andria		19
    Ascoli  Cosenza  Venezia	18
    Brescia  Ancona		17
    Acireale  Verona		15
    Ravenna  Palermo  Vicenza   14
    Pisa			13
    Pescara  Monza  Modena      12
    

    
    Paul Gascoigne got injured again on Sunday in the game against
    Sampadoria. Gazza apparently picked up a broken rib towards the end of
    a first half in which he had dominated the game. Gascoigne was
    outstanding for Lazio and was involved in all Lazio build up plsy,
    setting up Alan Boksic for numerous chances.
    
    If only Gascoigne could get fit..(please) he proved in this 45 minutes 
    that he is still one of the best players in the world on his day, in a 
    game that contained Gullit, Mancini and Boksic, Gascoigne was by far the
    best player on the pitch for the first 45 minutes. By contrast was
    David Platt playing......?
    
    Dave...
    
    

    
	Udinese	- Milan : 0 - 0

    And this is the updated table
    
    Milan	26	Roma		17	   Goleador:
    Juventus    23	Cagliari	16	   12 A.Silenzi (Torino)	
    Sampdoria		Foggia			   10 R.Baggio  (Juventus) 
    Parma	22	Piacenza	15 	      R.Gullit  (Sampdoria)
    Lazio	21	Atalanta	13	      Roy       (Foggia)	   
    Inter	20      Genoa		
    Napoli	19 	Reggiana	12
    Torino	18      Udinese         11
    Cremonese	17      Lecce		 4
    

                        Quarti di finale
    
                                    And.	   Rit.     Qualified
    
    Piacenza	-	Torino	   2 - 2           25/1
    Venezia	-	Ancona	   0 - 0           26/1
    Foggia	-	Parma	   0 - 3           26/1
    Sampdoria	-	Inter	   1 - 0           27/1

    
    18th round Serie "A"
    
	Cagliari	-	Atalanta	1 - 1
    	Cremonese	-	Juventus	1 - 1
    	Foggia		-	Lazio		4 - 1
    	Milan		-	Lecce		0 - 0
    	Parma		- 	Udinese		0 - 1
    	Reggiana	-	Inter		1 - 0
    	Roma		-	Genoa		1 - 1
	Sampdoria	-	Napoli		4 - 1
    	Torino		-	Piacenza	1 - 0

    
    Milan	27	Roma		18	   Goleador:
    Sampdoria	25	Foggia			   12 A.Silenzi (Torino)	
    Juventus	24	Cagliari	17	   11 R.Baggio  (Juventus) 
    Parma	22	Piacenza	15 	      R.Gullit  (Sampdoria)
    Lazio	21	Atalanta	14	      	   
    Inter	20      Genoa		
    Torino	 	Reggiana	
    Napoli	19    	Udinese         13
    Cremonese	18      Lecce		 5
    
    Serie "B"	
    
    	Fiorentina	-	Monza		3 - 0
    

    
    19th round Serie "A"
    
	Udinese		-	Cagliari	1 - 1
	Napoli		-	Cremonese	2 - 1
	Inter		-	Foggia		3 - 1
	Genoa		-	Milan		0 - 0
	Lecce		-	Parma		1 - 1
	Lazio		-	Reggiana	2 - 0
	Juventus	-	Roma		0 - 0
	Piacenza	-	Sampdoria	2 - 1
	Atalanta	-	Torino		2 - 2

    
    Milan	28	Cremonese	18	   Goleador:
    Sampdoria	25	Foggia			   12 A.Silenzi (Torino)	
    Juventus		Cagliari		   11 R.Baggio  (Juventus) 
    Parma	23	Piacenza	17 	      R.Gullit  (Sampdoria)
    Lazio		Atalanta	15	      D.Fonseca (Napoli)
    Inter	22      Genoa		
    Torino	21	Reggiana	14
    Napoli	    	Udinese         
    Roma	19      Lecce		 6

    

    
    20th round Serie "A"
    
	Reggiana	-	Atalanta	3 - 0
	Cagliari	-	Genoa		0 - 0
	Cremonese	-	Inter		1 - 4
	Sampdoria	-	Juventus	1 - 1
	Parma		-	Lazio		2 - 0
	Foggia		-	Lecce		5 - 1
	Torino		-	Napoli		1 - 1
	Milan		-	Piacenza	2 - 0
	Roma		-	Udinese 	0 - 2

    
    Milan	30	Roma		19  
    Sampdoria	26	Cagliari	
    Juventus		Cremonese	18  
    Parma	25	Piacenza	17 	   
    Inter	24	Udinese		16  
    Lazio	23      Genoa		
    Torino	22	Reggiana	
    Napoli	    	Atalanta	15
    Foggia	20      Lecce		 6


   Goleador

   13   A.Silenzi (Torino)
   12   D.Fonseca (Napoli)
   ......... 

    

                       Quarti di finale
    
                                    And.	   Rit.     Qualified
    
    Piacenza	-	Torino	   2 - 2           1 - 2    Torino
    Venezia	-	Ancona	   0 - 0           0 - 2    Ancona
    Foggia	-	Parma	   0 - 3           1 - 6    Parma
    Sampdoria	-	Inter	   1 - 0           1 - 1    Sampdoria
    

    
    21th round Serie "A"
    
	Atalanta	-	Milan		0 - 1
    	Genoa		- 	Parma		0 - 4
    	Inter		-	Cagliari	3 - 3
    	Juventus	-	Foggia		2 - 0
    	Lazio		-	Cremonese	4 - 2
    	Lecce		-	Sampdoria	0 - 3
    	Napoli		-	Roma		1 - 1
    	Piacenza	-	Reggiana	3 - 2
    	Udinese		-	Torino		1 - 1

                                          
    Milan	32	Roma		20  
    Sampdoria	28	Cagliari	
    Juventus		Piacenza	19  
    Parma	27	Cremonese	18 	   
    Inter	25	Udinese		17  
    Lazio	        Genoa		16
    Torino	23	Reggiana	
    Napoli	    	Atalanta	15
    Foggia	20      Lecce		 6


   Goleador

   13   A.Silenzi (Torino)  D.Fonseca (Napoli)
   12   R.Baggio (Juventus) R.Sosa (Inter)
   ......... 

    
    

    Hello anyone!
    
    There is a possibility I may be in Naples in either the week commencing
    14/March or 21/March.  Are there any games on locally (in midweek) during 
    those weeks?
    
    Gavin

    Hmm, I think you aren't lucky.
    
    Napoli Calcio doesn't play either any european competition and the
    italian cup, so whatch the games on TV!
    
    Pino 

    Thanks anyway!
    
    Gavin

Serie A     23rd day
--------------------

Atalanta	Roma		1 - 1		Goleador:
Foggia		Reggiana	1 - 0		13  Baggio	Juventus
Genoa		Torino		1 - 1		    Branca	Udinese
Juventus	Lecce		5 - 1		    Fonseca	Napoli
Lazio		Cagliari	4 - 0		    Signori	Lazio
Milan		Cremonese	1 - 0		    Silenzi	Torino
Parma		Sampdoria	2 - 1		    Sosa	Inter
Piacenza	Inter		2 - 1		11  Gullit	Sampdoria
Udinese		Napoli		3 - 1		    Zola	Parma



Team Name     Points   Pld  	 W	 D	 L	 F	 A
------------------------------------------------------------------
Milan		36	23	14	 8	 1	26	 8
Parma		31	23	13	 5	 5	36	17
Juventus	31	23	11	 9	 3	40	20
Sampdoria	30	23	13	 4	 6	45	30
Lazio		29	23	11	 7	 5	34	24
Inter		25	23	 9	 7	 7	34	25
Torino		24	23	 8	 8	 7	29	24
Napoli		24	23	 8	 8	 7	34	28
Foggia		23	23	 6	11	 6	32	27
Piacenza	22	23	 7	 8	 8	22	31
Roma		21	23	 5	11	 7	19	23
Cagliari	21	23	 6	 9	 8	29	39
Cremonese	20	23	 7	 6	10	26	29
Udinese		19	23	 5	 9	 9	20	31
Genoa		18	23	 4	10	 9	16	29
Reggiana	17	23	 5	 7	11	16	27
Atalanta	16	23	 4	 8	11	22	40
Lecce		 7	23	 1	 5	17	17	45


Andrea

    
Serie A     24th day
--------------------

Cagliari	Piacenza	2 - 0		Goleador:
Cremonese	Roma		1 - 1		14	Baggio	Juventus
Foggia		Parma		3 - 2		13	Branca	Udinese
Inter		Napoli		0 - 0			Signori	Lazio
Lazio		Milan		0 - 1			Fonseca	Napoli	
Lecce		Udinese		1 - 0		    	Silenzi	Torino
Reggiana	Genoa		1 - 1			Sosa	Inter
Sampdoria	Atalanta	3 - 1			Zola	Parma
Torino		Juventus	1 - 1			Gullit 	Sampdoria




Team Name     Points   Pld  	 W	 D	 L	 F	 A 
------------------------------------------------------------------
Milan		38	24	15	 8	 1	27	 8
Juventus	32	24	11	10	 3	41	21
Sampdoria	32	24	14	 4	 6	48	31
Parma		31	24	13	 5	 6	38	20
Lazio		29	24	11	 7	 6	34	25
Inter		26	24	 9	 8	 7	34	25
Foggia		25	24	 7	11	 6	35	29
Napoli		25	24	 8	 9	 7	34	28
Torino		25	24	 8	 9	 7	30	25
Cagliari	23	24	 7	 9	 8	31	39
Roma		22	24	 5	12	 7	20	24
Piacenza	22	24	 7	 8	 9	22	33
Cremonese	21	24	 7	 7	10	27	30
Udinese		19	24	 5	 9	10	20	32
Genoa		19	24	 4	11	 9	17	30
Reggiana	18	24	 5	 8	11	17	28
Atalanta	16	24	 4	 8	12	23	43
Lecce		 9	24	 2	 5	17	18	45

                              And.        Rit.     Qualified
    
    Sampdoria   -   Parma     2 - 1      1 - 0     Sampdoria
    
    Ancona	-   Torino    1 - 0      0 - 0     Ancona (!!!!)
    
    
    

    
Serie A     25th day
--------------------

Atalanta	Juventus	1 - 3		Goleador
Genoa		Lecce		2 - 0		16	Baggio	   Juventus
Milan		Foggia		2 - 1		14	Zola	   Parma
Napoli		Cagliari	1 - 2			Branca	   Udinese 
Parma		Cremonese	2 - 1			Fonseca    Napoli
Piacenza	Lazio		1 - 2
Roma		Sampdoria	0 - 1
Torino		Inter		2 - 0
Udinese		Reggiana	2 - 1


Team Name     Points   Pld  	 W	 D	 L	 F	 A 
------------------------------------------------------------------
Milan		40	25	16	 8	 1	29	 9
Juventus	34	25	12	10	 3	44	22
Sampdoria	34	25	15	 4	 6	49	31
Parma		33	25	14	 5	 6	40	21
Lazio		31	25	12	 7	 6	36	26
Torino		27	25	 9	 9	 7	32	25
Inter		26	25	 9	 8	 8	34	27
Foggia		25	25	 7	11	 7	36	31
Napoli		25	25	 8	 9	 8	35	30
Cagliari	25	25	 8	 9	 8	33	40
Roma		22	25	 5	12	 8	20	25
Piacenza	22	25	 7	 8	10	23	35
Cremonese	21	25	 7	 7	11	28	32
Udinese		21	25	 6	 9	10	22	33
Genoa		21	25	 5	11	 9	19	30
Reggiana	18	25	 5	 8	12	18	30
Atalanta	16	25	 4	 8	13	24	46
Lecce		 9	25	 2	 5	19	18	47
                

Serie A     27th day
--------------------

Atalanta	Lecce		3 - 4
Cremonese	Foggia		2 - 0
Genoa		Juventus	1 - 1
Milan		Sampdoria	1 - 0
Napoli		Piacenza	0 - 0
Parma 		Inter		4 - 1 
Roma 		Reggiana	0 - 0
Torino 		Cagliari	2 - 1
Udinese		Lazio		2 - 2
                                      

Goleador:
---------
16	R.Baggio	(Juventus)
	G.Zola		(Parma)
15	R.Sosa		(Inter)
	G.Signori	(Lazio)
	D.Fonseca	(Napoli)
	A.Silenzi	(Torino)
14	R.Gullit	(Sampdoria)
	M.Branca	(Udinese)


Table
-----

Team Name     Points   Pld  	 W	 D	 L	 F	 A

Milan		44	27	18	 8	 1	31	 9
Sampdoria	36	27	16	 4	 7	50	32
Parma(*)	35	26	15	 5	 6	44	22
Juventus	35	27	12	11	 4	45	24
Lazio		34	27	13	 8	 6	39	28
Torino		29	27	10	 9	 8	34	27
Napoli		28	27	 9	10	 8	36	30
Inter		28	27	10	 8	 9	36	31
Foggia		26	27	 7	12	 8	37	34
Cagliari	26	27	 8	10	 9	34	42
Cremonese	24	27	 8	 8	11	30	32
Piacenza	24	27	 7	10	10	24	36
Roma		23	27	 5	13	 9	20	26
Genoa		23	27	 5	13	 9	21	32
Udinese		22	27	 6	10	11	24	36
Reggiana(*)	19	26	 5	 9	12	18	30
Atalanta	17	27	 4	 9	14	28	51
Lecce		11	27	 3	 5	19	22	51
    

    
    Serie B     27th Day
    --------------------
    
    Acireale	Pisa		1 - 2
    Ancona	Venezia		2 - 3
    Bari	Palermo		0 - 1
    Brescia	Ascoli		1 - 1
    Cosenza	Verona		1 - 0
    Fiorentina	F.Andria	3 - 1
    Vicenza	Cesena		3 - 1
    Modena	Padova		1 - 1
    Pescara	Monza		2 - 1
    Ravenna	Lucchese	1 - 0
    
    
    
    Fiorentina			39
    Bari			34
    Padova  Cesena		33
    Brescia			32
    Ascoli  F.Andria		29
    Ancona  Venezia		28
    Verona  Cosenza		27
    Lucchese  Palermo		25
    Pisa  Vicenza		24
    Ravenna			22
    Acireale  Modena		21
    Pescara			20
    Monza			16
    
    

Serie A     28th day
--------------------

Cagliari	Sampdoria	0 - 0
Foggia		Roma		1 - 1
Genoa		Udinese		3 - 0
Juventus	Parma		4 - 0
Lazio		Napoli		3 - 0
Lecce		Cremonese	2 - 4
Milan		Inter		2 - 1
Piacenza	Atalanta	4 - 0
Reggiana	Torino		1 - 0
                                      

Goleador:
---------
16	R.Baggio	(Juventus)
	G.Zola		(Parma)
	G.Signori	(Lazio)
15	R.Sosa		(Inter)
	D.Fonseca	(Napoli)
	A.Silenzi	(Torino)
14	R.Gullit	(Sampdoria)
	M.Branca	(Udinese)


Table
-----

Team Name     Points   Pld  	 W	 D	 L	 F	 A
------------------------------------------------------------------
Milan		46	28	19	 8	 1	33	10
Sampdoria	37	28	16	 5	 7	50	32
Juventus	37	28	13	11	 4	49	24
Lazio		36	28	14	 8	 6	42	28
Parma(*)	35	27	15	 5	 7	44	26
Torino		29	28	10	 9	 9	34	28
Napoli		28	28	 9	10	 9	36	33
Inter		28	28	10	 8	10	37	33
Foggia		27	28	 7	13	 8	38	35
Cagliari	27	28	 8	11	 9	34	42
Cremonese	26	28	 9	 8	11	34	34
Piacenza	26	28	 8	10	10	28	36
Genoa		25	28	 6	13	 9	24	32
Roma		24	28	 5	14	 9	21	27
Udinese		22	28	 6	10	12	24	39
Reggiana(*)	21	27	 6	 9	12	19	30
Atalanta	17	28	 4	 9	15	28	55
Lecce		11	28	 3	 5	20	24	55
------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    Andrea
    

Serie A     29th day
--------------------

Cagliari	Juventus	0 - 1
Parma		Atalanta	2 - 1
Sampdoria	Foggia		6 - 0
Inter		Genoa		1 - 3
Torino		Lazio		1 - 1
Roma 		Lecce		3 - 0
Napoli		Milan		1 - 0
Udinese		Piacenza	2 - 2
Cremonese	Reggiana	1 - 1

Goleador:
---------
16      R.Baggio        (Juventus)
        G.Zola          (Parma)
        G.Signori       (Lazio)
15      R.Sosa          (Inter)
        D.Fonseca       (Napoli)
        A.Silenzi       (Torino)
	R.Gullit	(Sampdoria)
14      M.Branca        (Udinese)


Table
-----

Team Name     Points   Pld       W       D       L       F       A
------------------------------------------------------------------
Milan           46      29      19       8       2      33      11
Sampdoria       39      29      17       5       7      56      32
Juventus        39      29      14      11       4      50      24
Lazio           37      29      14       9       6      43      29
Parma(*)        37      28      16       5       7      46      27
Torino          30      29      10      10       9      35      29
Napoli          30      29      10      10       9      37      33
Inter           28      29      10       8      11      38      36
Foggia          27      29       7      13       9      38      41
Cagliari        27      29       8      11      10      34      43
Cremonese       27      29       9       9      11      35      35
Piacenza        27      29       8      11      10      30      38
Genoa           27      29       7      13       9      27      33
Roma            26      29       6      14       9      24      27
Udinese         23      29       6      11      12      22      41
Reggiana(*)     22      28       6      10      12      20      31
Atalanta        17      29       4       9      16      29      57
Lecce           11      29       3       5      21      24      58
------------------------------------------------------------------

Andrea

    

    
    Serie A     30th day
    --------------------
    
    Atalanta		Udinese		1 - 1
    Cremonese		Sampdoria	0 - 0
    Foggia		Piacenza	1 - 0
    Genoa		Lazio		1 - 1
    Juventus		Inter		1 - 0
    Lecce		Torino		1 - 2
    Milan		Parma		1 - 1
    Reggiana		Napoli		1 - 0
    Roma		Cagliari	2 - 0
    
    
    Goleador:
    ---------
    17	G.Signori	(Lazio)
    	G.Zola		(Parma)
    16  R.Baggio        (Juventus)
    	A.Silenzi	(Torino)
    15  R.Sosa          (Inter)
        D.Fonseca       (Napoli)
    	R.Gullit	(Sampdoria)
    14  M.Branca        (Udinese)
    
    
    Table
    -----
    
    Team Name     Points   Pld       W       D       L       F       A
    ------------------------------------------------------------------
    Milan           47      30      19       9       2      34      12
    Juventus        41      30      15      11       4      51      24
    Sampdoria       40      30      17       6       7      56      32
    Parma(*)        38      29      16       6       7      47      28
    Lazio           38      30      14      10       6      44      30
    Torino          32      30      11      10       9      37      30
    Napoli          30      30      10      10      10      37      34
    Foggia          29      30       8      13       9      39      41
    Inter           28      30      10       8      12      38      37
    Cremonese       28      30       9      10      11      35      35
    Genoa           28      30       7      14       9      28      34
    Roma            28      30       7      14       9      26      27
    Piacenza        27      30       8      11      11      30      39
    Cagliari        27      30       8      11      11      34      45
    Reggiana(*)     24      29       7      10      12      21      31
    Udinese         24      30       6      12      12      27      42
    Atalanta        18      30       4      10      16      30      58
    Lecce           11      30       3       5      22      25      60
    ------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
    Next Day
    --------
    
    Cagliari		Reggiana
    Inter		Lecce
    Lazio		Atalanta
    Napoli		Juventus
    Parma		Roma
    Piacenza		Cremonese
    Sampdoria  		Genoa
    Torino		Milan
    Udinese		Foggia
    
    
    Andrea
    

    
    Serie A     Postponed match
    ---------------------------
    
    Reggiana		Parma		2 - 0
    
    
    New Table
    ---------
    
    Team Name     Points   Pld       W       D       L       F       A
    ------------------------------------------------------------------
    Milan           47      30      19       9       2      34      12
    Juventus        41      30      15      11       4      51      24
    Sampdoria       40      30      17       6       7      56      32
    Parma           38      30      16       6       8      47      30
    Lazio           38      30      14      10       6      44      30
    Torino          32      30      11      10       9      37      30
    Napoli          30      30      10      10      10      37      34
    Foggia          29      30       8      13       9      39      41
    Inter           28      30      10       8      12      38      37
    Cremonese       28      30       9      10      11      35      35
    Genoa           28      30       7      14       9      28      34
    Roma            28      30       7      14       9      26      27
    Piacenza        27      30       8      11      11      30      39
    Cagliari        27      30       8      11      11      34      45
    Reggiana        26      30       8      10      12      23      31
    Udinese         24      30       6      12      12      27      42
    Atalanta        18      30       4      10      16      30      58
    Lecce           11      30       3       5      22      25      60
    ------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
    Next Day
    --------
    
    Cagliari		Reggiana
    Inter		Lecce
    Lazio		Atalanta
    Napoli		Juventus
    Parma		Roma
    Piacenza		Cremonese
    Sampdoria		Genoa
    Torino		Milan
    Udinese		Foggia
    

    
    Coppa Italia                                And.		Rit.
    
    Final:	Ancona		Sampdoria	0 - 0
    
    

    
    Gazza is out for the rest of the season. He broke his leg today in
    training. Looks as if it's a bad fracture.
    
    Del.

    
    Well I wonder if Sugar will offer to take him off Lazio's hands for 2.5
    million?? ;->
    
    Rick.

    Conflicting reports about the injury this morning. Some seem to think
    that this will end his career (not just in Italy but altogether) whilst
    some think that he'll get over it. Just by the fact that his future is
    in question suggests that it is a *bad* break. Anyone got any further
    news?
    
    Paul.
    

    Well it said on the radio this morning he'd only broken one of the
    bones in his leg... so it isn't going to be as bad... they said he
    could be back by the start of next season.. :->
    
    	Rick.

    
    Well, the big breaky said he had a number of fractures and he would be
    out for at least a year. He on the other hand has said "I'll be back, man"

The break, being where it was - he was lucky not to get (further) brain 
damage ;-). I hope he recovers soon, otherwise we'll have to put up with
his enlightened commentary - all the time!

Norman

    The situation, as reported by the Italian newspapers, is pretty lousy.
    Yes, they are talking about it as a possible "career-ending" injury,
    although the Lazio doctor stated that he has never known a player with
    the same powers of recovery as Gascoigne. 
    
    Apparently, the leg is broken in *two* places, but there is no ligament
    damage. However, the doctors have already used some sort of screw to
    reinforce the bone where the leg is fractured, and this alone means
    that the minimum recovery time is 6-8 months.
    
    It's bad news for Gascoigne, but it's also bad news for Lazio. They had
    a couple of end-of-season tours lined up (one in South Africa), and the
    contracts in both cases state that Gascoigne *must* play, otherwise
    Lazio will not receive the stipulated sum. Lazio are a bit loathe to
    talk about a possible foreign replacement for Gascoigne next year
    (well, it would seem a bit inhumane at a time like this), but the name
    of Ryan Giggs, at a mere 15 billion lire, was recently mentioned as a
    replacement for Doll or Winter ;-)
    
    Dom     

 >>>	 but the name of Ryan Giggs, at a mere 15 billion lire, was recently 
 >>>     mentioned as replacement for Doll or Winter ;-)
    
>>> Dom 
    
    
    Dom,	how much is that in real money????
    
    
    Ray....
    
    
    ps,    Moorcroft Boy for the Grand National tomorrow at 10-1....Dead
    cert....
    
    10% comm to Ray Howard @AYO

    >  how much is that in real money????
    
    	three pound twenty five pence.. ;->>
    
    	Really its about 7 million.. :->
    
    	Rick.

    >Dom,	how much is that in real money????
    
    I knew someone was going to ask that! Weeeell, there are about 2400
    lire to the pound at the moment, so by my calculations (hardly
    reliable!), -1 is about right (maybe nearer to 6.5 million).
    
    ps,    Moorcroft Boy for the Grand National tomorrow at 10-1....Dead
    cert....
    
    Thanks for the tip, Ray, but it's a bit hard for me to place a bet on
    the Grand National from here. Now, if you want to do it for me, that's
    a different matter...you'll get your 10% of the winnings - honest!
    
    Dom

>>  Thanks for the tip, Ray, but it's a bit hard for me to place a bet on
>>  the Grand National from here. Now, if you want to do it for me, that's
>>  a different matter...you'll get your 10% of the winnings - honest!
    
>>  Dom
    
    
    		no problem, Dom.....5p each way on Moorcroft Boy, but you
    owe me a big favour now, tho. By the way, I quite fancied a holiday in 
    Italia this year....
    
    Honest Ray, your local friendly bookie....

    Dom,
    
    
    
    
    Moorcroft Boy finished third at 5-1, which means that you won 11.25 new
    pennies, minus my commission of 10% means that you won 10.125 pence
    minus my petrol money to the bookies means that you owe me a pound, but
    seeing as how I won about 150 quid on the race anyway I'll just forget
    about it altogether....back to footie, how did Sampdoria do
    yesterday?...
    
    Honest Ray....

    
    Serie A     31st day
    --------------------
    Cagliari		Reggiana	3 - 0
    Inter		Lecce		4 - 1
    Lazio		Atalanta	3 - 1
    Napoli		Juventus	0 - 0
    Parma		Roma		0 - 2
    Piacenza		Cremonese	1 - 1
    Sampdoria		Genoa		1 - 1
    Torino		Milan		0 - 0
    Udinese		Foggia		3 - 0
    
    
    Goleador:
    ---------
    20		G.Signori	(Lazio)
    17		G.Zola		(Parma)
    16      	R.Baggio        (Juventus)
    		A.Silenzi	(Torino)
    15      	R.Sosa          (Inter)
            	D.Fonseca       (Napoli)
    		R.Gullit	(Sampdoria)
    14      	M.Branca        (Udinese)
    
    
    Table
    -----
    Team Name     Points   Pld       W       D       L       F       A
    ------------------------------------------------------------------
    Milan           48      31      19      10       2      34      12
    Juventus        42      31      15      12       4      51      24
    Sampdoria       41      31      17       7       7      57      33
    Lazio           40      31      15      10       6      47      31
    Parma           38      31      16       6       9      47      32
    Torino          33      31      11      11       9      37      30
    Napoli          31      31      10      11      10      37      34
    Inter           30      31      11       8      12      42      38
    Roma            30      31       8      14       9      28      27
    Foggia          29      31       8      13      10      39      44
    Cremonese       29      31       9      11      11      36      36
    Genoa           29      31       7      15       9      29      35
    Cagliari        29      31       9      11      11      37      45
    Piacenza        28      31       8      12      11      31      40
    Reggiana        26      31       8      10      13      23      34
    Udinese         26      31       7      12      12      30      42
    Atalanta        18      31       4      10      17      31      61
    Lecce           11      31       3       5      23      26      64
    ------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    
    Next Day
    --------
    Atalanta		Napoli
    Cremonese		Torino
    Foggia		Genoa
    Juventus		Lazio
    Lecce		Reggiana
    Milan		Udinese
    Parma		Cagliari
    Roma		Piacenza
    Sampdoria		Inter
    
    
    Andrea
    

    Have you got the Serie B tables & results as well?
    
    Rick.

    
    re: .253
    >Moorcroft Boy finished third at 5-1, which means that you won 11.25 new
    >pennies, minus my commission of 10% means that you won 10.125 pence
    >minus my petrol money to the bookies means that you owe me a pound, but
    >seeing as how I won about 150 quid on the race anyway I'll just forget
    >about it altogether....back to footie, how did Sampdoria do
    >yesterday?...
    
    Well, thanks Ray, it was nice (?) doing business with you. 
    
    �150, eh? Sounds like you were keeping something to yourself. If you'd
    like me to place any bets over here (Italian championship winners, next 
    head engineer at Ferrari, next Pope, etc.) ...Honest Dom'll see what odds 
    he can get you!
    
    I take it you follow Sampdoria then? Yes, the Genoa derby finished in a
    1-1 draw yesterday. Pretty anonymous, from what I saw on TV. Sampdoria
    are more-or-less assured of a UEFA Cup place, and Genoa are unlikely to
    be relegated now, so I guess it was on the cards.
    
    Cheers,
     Dom (who's missed the last 10 Grand Nationals and the last 10 Boat
          Races!) 
    
    

    Serie B Table
    -------------
    
    Fiorentina 			41
    Bari			38
    Padova			36
    Brescia Cesena		34
    Ascoli Venezia		33
    Ancona			32
    F.Andria			31
    Verona			30
    Lucchese Cosenza		29
    Palermo			28
    Pisa			27
    Ravenna Vicenza		26
    Modena			25
    Acireale Pescara		24
    Monza			17
    
    Next round
    ----------
    Acireale	F.Andria
    Ancona	Pisa
    Bari	Cesena
    Brescia	Padova
    Lucchese 	Verona
    Modena	Cosenza
    Monza	Ascoli
    Pescara	Venezia
    Ravenna	Fiorentina
    Vicenza	Palermo
    

    Is it the top two who get promoted?? It'll be good to see Fiorentina
    back in Serie A... I liked their purple shirt.. shame they had to
    withdraw it cos the pattern was in the shame of Swastickers (sp??)
         
    Rick. 

    
    The top four will be promoted and the last four relegated.
    
    Lele.

    
    Coppa Italia                                And.		Rit.
    
    Final:	Ancona		Sampdoria	0 - 0          1 - 6
    
    Sampdoria has win Coppa Italia 1994 !!!
    

  Last nights win by Sampdoria was their fourth in about 9-10 years, and their
sixth appearance in the final during that period as well. Their trainer I believe
is from Sweeden, and he won the cup back in 85 when he was then trainer of As Rom
against Sampdoria in the final.

   Sacchi has cut his WC squad down to 31.. leaving out 3 well known names in
Gianluca Vialli..  Lentini (the most expensive transfer ever) and Mancini from
Sampdoria..  Kinda strange after Vialli scored 3 goals for Juve on sunday!!!
I believe the reason Lentini is out is because he hasn't regained full fitness
after his near-fatal car crash last year. Mancini is out because of injury...

   It looks like Trappatoni (Trainer of Juve) will be the new trainer of Bayern
Munich... He has won 7 league titles with Juve and I believe all the Euro cups
as well, and the World club title... Their are also rumours that Andreas Moeller
may be leaving Juve as well in the same direction if Bayern have the cash.. That
would be some team next season..... Andreas Moeller is also the player I 
personally tip be the top player at the fortcoming WC. 

                                                                that's it....


                                                                     -dave-

>>>>>
I believe the reason Lentini is out is because he hasn't regained full fitness
after his near-fatal car crash last year.
>>>>>

Not because he's crap then?


Mike

    
    Relegated    from div 1 to div 2
    
     lecce atalanta udinese piacenza
    
     reggiana escaped beating Milan (in Milan).
     

    Who got promoted to Serie A??
    
    Rick.

    Still to be decided, I think - though Fiorentina and Bari look odds on
    for two of the places.
    
    Dom

    
    4 places
    
    Fiorentina and Bari are quite done
    the battle is between Brescia Padova Cesena 
    and less probably Venezia and Ascoli 
    

    True or False....Serie A teams will receive 3 points for a win from next
    season....
    
    If this is true then it must be a response to all of the dull, lifeless
    draws between several teams towards the end of the season. English TV
    hinted that AC Milan were the main culprits. It would be interesting to
    see what this years table would look like if there were 3 points
    awarded for a win....I have a feeling that it would be much closer at
    the top....
    
    Ray....

Serie A and B will have 3 points for a win next season. I believe the lower 
Italian leagues already have this situation.

Norman

Interesting fact mentioned on Sky the other day.

	Man .Utd, English champions scored 80 goals from 42 games.
	
	Milan, Italian champions scored (not exact) about 35 goals from	
	about 36 games.

	
I'm sure someone will correct me on exact statistics, but it shows where the 
more exciting (not necessarily better) football is to be watched.

Andy.

        re: .369
    Indeed, Milan's low goal tally (a record in Italy) has attracted severe
    criticism from press and public (well, the neutrals!) alike. The irony
    of the situation is that Arrigo Sacchi's Milan team were noted for
    their attractive football - in fact, it was hoped that their success
    would signal the end of the dreaded "Catenaccio" style of defensivism,
    though that hasn't really been the case.

    To put Milan's change of style in its true perspective, it should be
    underlined that, in winning the championship, they scored one goal more
    than both Udinese and Atalanta, who were both relegated! Of course, it
    would be unfair to say that there was nothing entertaining about Milan
    1994-style. You simply have to content yourself with the flashes of
    individual brilliance from Savicevic, Boban and (sometimes) Donadoni,
    rather than sweeping team moves.
    
    Dom

    Changing the subject slightly from previous notes - can anyone tell me
    where it may be possible to get replica Sampdoria shirts here in the
    UK ?
    
    Dave

    re .371
    
    I've seen them in several sports shops here in Ayr, they're really
    quite popular. If you're desperate for one and can't find one anywhere
    else mail me off line and we'll arrange something....
    
    Ray....

    Any good sports shop.. I've seen a few around Reading.. and there's
    a shop in Leed that sells all the Italian teams.. including those in
    Serie B... :->
    
    Rick.

Andy,

I watched a lot of Italian football this year (good ol' Channel 4) and 
many of the teams, Parma, Sampdoria, Lazio.. to name a few, played good attacking
football... unfortunately Milan's 8-1-1 formation was effective but dire.... I
usually turned off after they went 1-0 up.. knowing that 1-0 would be the
final score. Milan have Gullit (and maybe Van Basten) back next year, so I think
despite winning the league in this year's style, they will play more 
attacking next year. p.s Congrats to Reading - you had to go away before they
did it!

Cheers... Norman

    re: .374 
    >I watched a lot of Italian football this year (good ol' Channel 4) and 
    >many of the teams, Parma, Sampdoria, Lazio.. to name a few, played good 
    >attacking football... 
    
    Norman,
    You've actually picked on the 3 teams that I *would* pay good money to
    watch. There are probably a couple of others (e.g. Foggia), but
    inevitably, they don't have the players to mount a serious challenge.
    
    The sort of football offered by Inter, Torino (probably *the* worst
    culprits), Juventus, Roma and (regretably) Milan is not my idea of
    entertainment. And by sheer coincidence, these teams (with the
    exception of Milan) still use the man-to-man marking system...
    
    Dom 

    re :.373
    
    Most of the sports shops around Reading seem to stock Milan, Juventus
    and Lazio.  You don't happen to have the name of the shop in Leeds ?

    
    
    The best shop for footy shirts in Reading is JJB Sports in smelly
    alley (Union St). It's a corker of a shop.
    
    Tony
    
    

    Hello Altobrando,
    	Is there any news on Serie B ? And is it 4 that are promoted ?
    
    Ica

    
    Serie B Table after 34 rounds (4 to end)
    -------------
    
    Fiorentina		47  Already promoted
    Bari		42
    Brescia		40
    Padova 		39
    Venezia		38
    Ancona Cesena	37
    Ascoli Verona	35
    F.Andria		34
    Lucchese Vicenza	33
    Cosenza		32
    Pisa Palermo	31
    Pescara Acireale	29
    Ravenna Modena	28
    Monza		19 Already relegated
    
    4 top    will go to Serie A (Fiorentina is already sure)
    4 bottom will go to Serie C (Monza is already sure)
    
    Goleador:
    --------
    Agostini (Ancona)	       			18
    Bierhoff (Ascoli) Batistuta (Fiorentina)	16
    Tovalieri (Bari)				14
    Galderisi (Padova) Inzaghi (Verona)		13
    .
    .
    
    Next day:
    --------
    Acireale	Vicenza
    Ascoli	Ancona
    Bari	Cosenza
    Brescia	Venezia
    Cesena	Pisa
    Lucchese	Palermo
    Monza 	Ravenna
    Padova	F.Andria
    Pescara 	Modena
    Verona	Fiorentina			
    
    
    Lele.

Lele,

Can you tell me how Varese are doing these days?.

Thanks

Phil.

    
    Hi Phil:
    
    Varese has just win the group B of amateur division, so it has been
    promoted in Serie C2.
    
    Now the team has to partecipate to the playoff with the winners of
    the other groups for the title of Amateur Champion.
    
    Lele

Lele,

Looks like Varese have slipped over the years, I could have sworn that at
one time they were in Serie B (mind you this was 18 years ago).

Seems their heading in the right direction.

Thanks

Phil.

  A bit of glory for us too.

  Varese was in div 1 last time in 75/76, then div2 fo some 
  years.  In 81/82 fourth in Div 2, they would have
  been easily promoted but someone decided to save 
  Lazio from div 3 that year, so we lost the most 
  important match of the season in Rome: 
  Lazio Varese 3 2  (it was 0 2 after first time and 
  only thanks to the referee Lazio won)

  Div2 until 84 when they went to div 4 (C2) in two years.
  There has been a refundation, back to div 3 for one year,
  then div 4 for 2 years and last year due to lack of money 
  they decided an autorelegation to div 5 (amateurs)

  ..but this year with a team made of all young boys
  plus 2 experts (Seveso and Bolis: due grandi vecchi)
  we are back to div 4 after a big battle with Saronno. 

  And let hope in a good future (now that we have 
  the Internal Minister)
  
  

    shock news for Dom and all our Italian-based noters....
    
    
    GAZZA HAS BROKEN UP WITH SHERYL....!!!!
    
    I think I'll slit my wrists....I can't take much more bad news....&-{
    
    Ray....

Is Sheryl his right or left hand ?

Peter.

    
    Did anybody hear or read something ( Gazetta, ...)
    about the supposed signings from Moeller and
    Caesar (both Juve) in Dortmund ?
    
    cK

    re. -1  
    Yes, the Gazzetta confirms the news about Moeller and Julio Cesar. 
    
    It even quotes Moeller as saying he desperately wants to return to his
    own country and play in the Bundesliga - very unlike the Gazzetta to
    print such a sacrilege! It only needs Moeller to say he thinks German
    food is better and you can bet they'll stone him if he ever comes back
    to play a game on German soil ;-)
    
    Dom 

    re: .384
    
    >shock news for Dom and all our Italian-based noters....
    
    >GAZZA HAS BROKEN UP WITH SHERYL....!!!!
    
    Ray,
    You really think I didn't get to hear about that? For the first time in
    weeks, Berlusconi didn't get the front page headlines...so I suppose
    some good came out of it.
    
    The hot news today in that loveable pink bastion of democracy "La
    Gazzetta dello Sport" is an article concerning a book entitled "An
    Outrageous Guide to the World Cup" (approx. retranslation from the
    Italian), which is reputed to be selling like hot cakes in Dublin
    bookshops and which is threatening to cause a diplomatic incident. 
    
    It contains humorous profiles of all the World Cup teams, but,
    according to the Gazzetta, comes down particularly hard on Italy.
    Choice titbits, with apologies for the very approximate translations
    (I'm going by memory):
    
    "Italian footballers are adept at feigning injury by rolling around on
    the ground. However, don't be conned by their effeminate appearance
    (the result of spending every available moment preening themselves in
    front of the mirror); many an opposing manager has woken up to find
    himself sharing the bed with a horse's head".
    
    "Italian fans never miss an opprtunity to cry, especially when they
    win, lose or draw..."
    
    "Beware of Italian fans carrying violin cases..."
    
    "All Italian players are equipped with white flags, so that hey can
    indulge in their favorite pastime...surrendering".
    
    Etc., etc.
    
    Yeah, subtle it (the book) is not, but the article (written by the infamous
    Brit-hater Giancarlo Gavalotti) looked like it was taking the matter
    pretty seriously. There were references to "patetico umorismo
    irlandese" and even an appeal to the powers-that-be to lodge an
    official complaint with the Irish embassy in Rome.
    
    Dom 

Note 20.388
    
>>>  and even an appeal to the powers-that-be to lodge an
>>>  official complaint with the Irish embassy in Rome.
    
    And I thought that the irish were thin-skinned....I remember a couple
    of years ago when the Eurovision Song Contest was held in Millstreet in
    Cork and one of the BBC reporters called the arena a `cowshed' and
    there were similar calls for `complaints to the british embassy' at the
    time....it would be sad if it wasn't so ridiculously funny....
    
    Ray....and by the way, the match is on the 18th june, (see personal
    name)
              

    
    bari and brescia are back to div 1
    
    for the fourth place padova or cesena 
    

    The sad news from Italy concerns the suicide of Agostino de Bartolomei,
    the ex-Roma and Milan midfielder. 
    
    The name probably doesn't mean a lot to most people in this conference,
    but he was the captain of the Roma team that lost the 1984 European Cup
    Final against Liverpool (on penalties). Di Bartolomei was also a
    teammate of Ray Wilkins and Mark Hateley during their spell at Milan.
    
    He was a very intelligent player, deceptively slow, but extremely
    sound, and with an extraordinary knack of popping up in the right place
    at the right time � la Martin Peters. Tremendous hitter of a ball, too.
    
    Dom
    

Yes I clearly remember DE Bartolomei from the 1984 European cup final when
Liverpool went to Rome and beat a strong Roma side that also contained Falcao,
Conti, Gratziani & Cerezo. But Liverpool had the young enthusiastic Ronnie
Whelan and he was the difference between the teams.



C U N N O





    

    
    div2 play off required after last day 
    
     promotion    padova - cesena
     relegation   pisa - acireale
    
    

    
    pisa - acireale   3 - 4   on penalties   
    
    pisa down to div3 after 15 years. 
    

    
    padova - cesena  2  1   
    
    padova in div 1 after 32 years
    

  From div 2 to div 3    pisa ravenna modena monza

  From div 3 to div 2    salernitana
                         perugia
                         como
                         chievo verona 
 
                         

    Some Italian transfer news (if anyone's interested):
    
    FOREIGNERS
    ==========
    
    Oliseh (Nigeria) ? --> Reggiana
    Mihailovic (Serbia), Roma --> Sampdoria
    Chamot (Argentina), Foggia --> Lazio
    Gullit (Holland), Sampdoria --> Milan
    Rincon (Colombia), ? --> Napoli
    Lalas (U.S.), ? --> Padova
    Thern (Sweden), Napoli --> Roma
    Pele (Ghana), Lyon --> Torino
    Anglouma (France), Marseille --> Torino
    Deschamps (France), Marseille --> Juventus
    Cruz (Brazil), ? --> Napoli
    Marcio Santos (Brazil), Bordeaux --> Fiorentina ????
    Doll (Germany), Lazio --> Brescia ????
    Paolo Souza, (Portugal), Porto --> Juventus
    
    ITALIANS
    ========
    D. Baggio, Juventus --> Parma
    Seno, Foggia --> Inter
    Bia, Napoli --> Inter
    Pagliuca, Sampdoria --> Inter
    Zenga, Inter --> Sampdoria
    Orlando, Milan --> Fiorentina ????
    Carbone, Milan --> ?
    
    + thousands more (but my memory isn't what it was)
    
    Dom

    Are Napoli in any Euro cups this coming season???
    
    Tony
    
    
    

    If memory serves, I think they just scraped into the UEFA Cup as the
    5th Italian team.
    
    Dom

    
    Wahay!
    
    Tony
    
    

    Well, that was a dirty trick! I bet you didn't give a damn about
    whether Napoli qualified for Europe or not...

    Is that the Pele that used to play for Marseille ??   Or am I getting
    confused ??
    
    Ray

>>    Is that the Pele that used to play for Marseille ??   Or am I getting
>>    confused ??
    
    Yeah, definitely.
    
    	Eric

    Pre-season friendlies (played last night):
    
    Marseille 2 - 0 Juventus
    Cagliari 3 - 1 Anderlecht
    Moscow Dynamo 1 - 1 Parma
    
    Mediterranean Cup Tournament (45min matches):
       Genoa 1 - 1 Panathanaikos (Panathanaikos won on pens.)
       Milan 2 - 0 Genoa
       Milan 0 - 0 Panathanaikos
    (Milan won tournament on goal difference)
    
    Dom

    Ok, guys
    
    Let's go into the Italian Football World..
    
    Yesterday Oct 12th, results of Italian Cup 1/8 final (return matches 15
    days later):
    
    NAPOLI - CREMONESE 3-0 
    MILAN - INTER      1-2 
    GENOA - ROMA       2-0 
    PARMA - CAGLIARI   2-0
    FOGGIA - TORINO    3-0
    FIORENTINA - SAMPDORIA 2-1
    JUVENTUS - REGGIANA 2-0
    LAZIO - PIACENZA   3-2
    
    Pino
    

    Good away win for Inter 8-)
    

    
    	  Pino,
    	     I was wondering if you could tell us if there had been any
    development on a game we received over here a couple of weeks ago. It
    was the Fiorentina-Lazio match and the pictures we saw after Lazio's
    Argentinian centre back (Chamot) got sent off were terrible. I knew
    that Fiorentina's fans were supposed to be bad but he looked in a right
    old state with blood pouring down his face and wondered if the club
    (or fans) had been disciplined in any way.
    	Cheers,
    	    John.
    	PS. I also thought his fellow countryman was a bit keen to go down
    at the time and that he was unfortunate to get sent off.

    John
    
    I did not remember the development of that situation.
    I'll tell you by next week.
    
    Pino

    Italian results, october 16th:
    
    CAGLIARI - CREMONESE	1-0  OLIVEIRA
    FOGGIA - JUVENTUS		2-0  BRESCIANI 2
    PADOVA - MILAN		2-0  LALAS ?
    INTER - BARI		1-2  GUERRERO TOVALIERI PANCEV
    SAMPDORIA - PARMA		3-1  ZOLA MASPERO 2  MANCINI
    LAZIO - NAPOLI		5-1  WINTER 2  CASIRAGHI BOKSIC NEGRO
    				     PECCHIA
    TORINO - ROMA		2-2  BALBO FONSECA RIZZITELLI CRISTALLINI
    REGGIANA - FIORENTINA	1-1  ? BATISTUTA
    BRESCIA - GENOA		1-2  ? ? SKURAVY
    
    Fisrt positions...
    
    ROMA 14
    JUVENTUS,PARMA 13
    .....
    
    
    

    First position:
    
    Roma			14
    Parma			13
    Juventus Foggia Lazio	11
    Sampdoria Bari Milan	10
    ...
    

    Glad to see Lalas scored a goal!  How is Padova doing?
    
    NAZZ

    
    SERIE A  (after 6 weeks)
    -------
    
    Roma		    		14      
    Parma	      	       		13      
    Lazio Foggia Juventus      		11             
    Sampdoria Bari Milan       		10      
    Fiorentina		       		 9     
    Inter Cagliari Genoa       		 8
    Torino		       		 7
    Cremonese		       		 6
    Napoli				 5
    Padova		 		 4
    Brescia		       		 2
    Reggiana 		       		 1
    
    
    Top scorer
    ----------
    Batistuta	(Fiorentina)	7 goals
    Balbo	(Roma)		6   "
    Signori	(Lazio)		5   "
    
    ----------------------------------------------------------------
    ----------------------------------------------------------------
    
    SERIE B  (after 7 weeks)
    -------
    Piacenza Verona	       		13
    Cesena F.Andria			12
    Ancona Venezia Lucchese 		11
    Udinese Vicenza Perugia		10
    Cosenza		   		 9
    Chievo Acireale Como		 8
    Salernitana		     		 7
    Ascoli Palermo Pescara Atalanta	 6
    Lecce				 4
    
    Top scorer 
    ----------
    Caccia	(Ancona)	7 goals
    Amoruso	(F.Andria)	6   "
    Inzaghi	(Piacenza)	5   "
    
    
    
    Lele

    name the Italian team that lost to Brazil in 1970 ( 4-1 )Final
     

    Errm.......Italy?
    
    Paul.

    Albertosi, Burgnich, Facchetti, Cera, Rosato, Bertini, De Sisti,
    Mazzola (Rivera), Domenghini, Boninsegna, Riva.
    
    Boring stuff, I know, but you can't even get a work permit in Italy
    unless you can recite this backwards ;-). 
    
    Just out of interest, the winning team from four years before was
    Banks, Cohen, Wilson...
    
    Dom

    Dom,
    
    It is incredibly sad that someone should have that inforamtion at their
    fingertips 8-)
    
    Stuart

    >It is incredibly sad that someone should have that inforamtion at their
    >fingertips 8-)
    
    You obviously haven't been to Italy! Most of these guys are either
    guests or presenters every week on TV football programs (of which there
    are 1001). They're also plastered all over the newspapers. 
    
    Then again, it's probably not 100% accurate...especially the spellings.
    
    Dom 

    Did that woman who introduced the WC94 program on RAIUNO play in
    the team ??   Was she a substitute per-chance ??
    
    Ray

    Is there any news on the Fiorentina player who suffered a cardiac arrest
    during the match against Bari?...on TV last night it looked quite
    serious....
    
    Ray....

    The only thing I heard, Ray, was that he (Piola, Fiorentina central
    defender) woke up alone in hospital! I think the "kiss of life" from
    the physiotherapist saved him although I doubt whether he's returned to
    full training already...
    
    On the transfer front, the latest news (rumour?) is that Ruud Gullit,
    who's having one helluva poor season, is set to return to Sampdoria
    from Milan.
    
    Dom

    
    	Dom,
    	   Could you kep us informed of the final developments on all the
    transfer sagas. I believe that the deadline for all business was today
    (that right?) so I take it there was plenty jostling going on before
    the final whistle.
    	The papers here seem to reckon that Gullit's going back to
    Sampdoria as some sort of exchange for Melli (who I think they got in the
    summer from Parma as part of the goalkeepers deal). This looks like a 
    crazy deal for Milan, 'cos not only was Melli not getting a game for
    Parma less than a year ago but along with Simone (when fit), Gullit's 
    the only one who looks like scoring for them. 
    
    	Keep us posted,
    		  John A.

    Now is official, Ruud is come back to Sampdoria.
    
    We (Milan) loose a big champion for a good player like Melli but, as
    our vice-president Galliani (did you remember Marseille's night?) said:
    "Noi preferiamo accontentare un giocatore, piuttosto che la squadra",
    more or less "we prefer to grant player's wishes before our business".
    
    Take into account that either Gullit and Melli couldn't play in
    European competitions.
    
    Pino

I want add the comments of his "guard" Heimo Pfeiffenberger in the match
Milan - Salzburg : 
"I have never played against any great star, who has been so fair and technical
as Gullit. There had been no foul, no bad word in 90 minutes from him.
I have been proud to play against him."

Congratulations to Sampdoria.

Heribert

    
    Hi tiffosi !
    
    Could someone please comment how the following portuguese players are
    going in calcio ?
    
    F.Couto	(Parma)
    R.COsta 	(Fiorentina)
    P.Sousa	(Juventus)
    Futre	(Reggiana)
    and more recently...
    Cadete	(Brescia) - one game so far.
    R.Aguas	(Regianna)- I think he'll play only in december.
    
    
    	Luis.

  torino milan  postponed
  padova juve       1 2
  foggia napoli     1 1
  inter parma       1 1
  genoa cremonese   0 1
  fiorentina doria  2 2
  lazio roma        0 3
  brescia bari      1 2
  reggiana cagliari 0 0

  parma leads  juve follows 

  Batistuta  13 goals  in 11 matches 

    
    Could someone please give me the result of the Milan derby played
    last week.
    
    Thanx in advance,
    
    Iain.

1-1

    What will happen to Lazio after the trouble in the crowd during
    Sunday's match?...Was it the Lazio or the Roma fans who were burning
    the seats?...
    
    whoever did it, it was a stupid thing to do!!!!
    
    Ray....

    UEFA Cup last night: Juventus 2 La Coruna 1, Parma 4 Athletico Bilbao 2
    
    The Juventus match shown on RAIUNO was a farce.   The whole ground
    was envelopped in a thick fog and the TV cameras quite often lost
    where the ball was.   It reminded me of a match in Scotland played
    under such conditions, where a Dundee player reputedly passed the
    ball to the linesman ...
    
    Ray

    
    >where a Dundee player passed the ball to the linesman...
    
    One of the better games in Scotland then.
    
    Stuart

    
    	Ray, it was Juv� v Admira Wacker....
    
    	Surely the fog wasn't *that* thick!!
    
    	Andy.

    With the Austrians playing in near enough a black strip then the ref coud
    have played and no one would have noticed. In fact I'm sure you could
    have sneaked another couple of players on without too many problems.
    
    I was surprised RAI didn't switch to Lazio, instead on delaying for
    transmission till 11pm.
    
    Back to the week-end I watched Juve Fiorentina which was I think the
    best game I have seen from Serie A this season so far. Fiorentina 2-0
    up at half time and a second half come back from Vialli 2 and probably
    the best goal I've seen for ages from Del Piero to seal a famous victory 
    for La Signora.
    
    I think Vialli must come into the reckoning for Sacchi whatever the
    political situation between them. 
    
    Antony
    

    What was the score in the evening game between Lazio and Juve ?
    
    Antony

    I saw the Cup Q-final results on RAIUNO late last night, and all I
    can remember is that Inter are out (to Foggia) and that Juventus
    are through.   Can someone post the remainder please ??
    
    Ray

    Foggia are through against Inter
    Juventus are through against Roma
    Lazio are through against Napoli
    Fiorentina and Parma play this evening, live on RAI uno.
    
    Semi final draw                  
    
    Lazio - Juve
    Foggia - Fiorentina/Parma
    
    Antony 
     

    Fiorentina - Parma 1-2 (agg 1-4)
    
    Semi final
    
    Lazio - Juventus
    Parma - Foggia

    
    So, what happenned in Genoa Yesterday ? I've heard short news on 
    the radio this morning about heavy fights against supporters. 
    Even one dead apparently.
    
    Can someone put a report in.
    
    Philippe

    I saw a small clip on the telly last night, apparantly one fan was
    stabbed (and killed). There were running battles with the police in
    and out of the stadium.
    
    Al.

Radio 5 had a report on this match this morning.  Apparently, a fan was 
murdered outside the ground before the match.  The match started as normal
but the news got around the ground that someone was murdered and some fights
started.

At the start of the 2nd half the Genoa supporters took all their flags down
and were chanting 'Murder, Murder'.  The players hadn't been told so were
obviously a bit confused until the Genoa captain asked what had happened
where upon the ref and teams agreed to abandon the match.

With the riot police out in force and feelings running high the Milan fans
were not allowed out of the ground until 11pm! and were bussed but to Milan.

Just shows football administrators are complete idiots all over the world
allowing a game to continue in that atmosphere.

Another sad day for football.

    Pretty horrific stuff, I'm afraid.
    
    I turned the TV on some time during the second half to get the latest
    scores. Flicking through the Teletext pages (which are in alphabetical
    order), I got to the Genoa-Milan game and was astonished to read
    "ABBANDONED FOR MOURNING" (very approx. translation, I'm sure someone
    can do better).
    
    I then did a bit of channel-hopping and saw that every channel was
    covering the news. As regards -1, it has to be said that the
    players/officials didn't know that the fan had been killed until they
    came out for the beginning of the second half. (The police had wisely
    attempted to keep the news secret for fear that it might cause a
    riot...pretty much what happened in the end.)
    
    As Torrente, the Genoa captain, came out of the tunnel, a fan shouted
    to him that the hard-core Genoa fans behind the goal were going
    haywire, throwing things on the pitch, etc. He ran over to try and calm
    them down, and they told him the news and implored him to take the team
    off. He ran back to the centre circle, by which time the ref and Franco
    Baresi (Milan captain) had also learned the news, and the next step was
    obvious...and totally justified.
    
    The Milan supporters had to stay in the stadium until 11pm, with
    10-15,000 Genoa fans baying for their blood, while the police conjured
    up a plan to get them out safely. The police apparently told the
    TV/press people of their intentions, but warned them not to make it
    public for fear that the Genoa fans might block the escape route.
    
    There's always been bad blood between the two clubs, but this was
    pretty much the worst incident ever. The Genoa fans were ambushed by a
    throng of Milan fans outside the stadium and the 25-year old who died
    was stabbed repeatedly (in fact, it's being referred to as a "murder"
    rather than a death resulting from a clash between rival fans. It's
    more than likely that all matches will be called off next Sunday.
    Yesterday evening, most of the football programmes on Italian TV (of
    which there are far too many) did not go on the air, and several top
    names in Italian football (particularly managers) questioned the whole
    future of football here.
    
    Dom 

    What's the latest news from Italy ??   I tuned into RAIUNO on Sun
    afternoon to discover that all the games had been cancelled (as
    expected).   What happens next ??
    
    Ray

    All games had been cancelled for the murder of the Genoa's supporter.
    
    We will play our matches next sunday. 
    
    Pino
    

    
    Match repeated   Genoa 1   Milan 1
    

 foggia cremonese   0 1
 brescia milan      0 5
 inter juve         0 0
 lazio fiorentina   8 2
 torino parma       0 2
 reggiana genoa     0 1
 cagliari bari      2 1
 padova napoli      2 0
 samp roma          3 0

 juve    49
 parma   45

what the hell happened in the Lazio game,was this really the scoreline.
I looked on ceefax and it said 2-0 to fiorentina.
Please tell me more .....

Steve.

  definitely 8 2 

  I can't remember all the scorers

  Casiraghi  3             Batistuta  1   (and a penalty missed)
  Boksic     1             and another 
    
  and four other   
  

 

    What's more, Fiorentina were never 2-0 up. Lazio scored at least 5
    before Fiorentina pulled one back.
    
    Crazy stuff (what with Milan winning 5-0 at Brescia). To think that
    the experts here used to piont to all the 0-0 and 1-0 scorelines as
    indication of the Seria A being the toughest league in the world.
    
    Dom

 
 Fortunato  the 24 year old Juventus defender died yesterday
 less than one year after a leukaemia attack.   
 
 Fortunato means "lucky" but he wasn't. 
 

    
    Well   Juve are the champions.   
    
    Reggiana Brescia are down
    Foggia almost down
    Genoa trying to escape against Cremonese 
    
    Piacenza Udinese are back to div1   
    two more between Atalanta Salernitana and Vicenza. 
    
    Como and Lecce are down to div3 
    Ascoli and Acireale will probably follow them. 
    

    
    Foggia is down 
    
    If Genoa wins over Torino and Padova loses with Inter 
    then an extra match  Genoa-Padova is needed. 
    
    From div2 : Atalanta and Vicenza are not far from div1.
                some little possibilities for Salernitana. 
    

    76% of Channel 4's "Football Italia" viewers voted Vialli as their 
    Italian player of the year....
    
    Ray....

    
    Vialli has been brilliant but still cannot get into the national squad,
    strange to say the least.
    It`s good that his strike partner Ravanelli has been capped though,
    what a season he`s had.
    
    Davie.

Any news on Futre',I presume with Reggiana getting relegated he will be packing
his bags.
Admittedly he has had an injury plagued season but I cannot see a player of this
quality playing in serie B.
Will he go back to Portugal or will Inter move in for him ?

Steve.

    
    SAMPDORIA  (probably)
    

    
    Re: -2
    I am not sure about this,but i don't think foreigners are allowed to
    play in serie B.I think Middlesboro are being linked with a move for
    Futre.

    >I am not sure about this,but i don't think foreigners are allowed to 
    >play in serie B.I think Middlesboro are being linked with a move
    >for Futre.
    
    I don't think this can be the case as Batistuta played for Fiorentina 
    last season.
    
    Choppers	

    
    Tell me you`re joking.

>>Fiorentina = Serie A.

After gaining promotion from Serie B in 1993-94 where the said Batistuta helped
himself to a sackful of goals.

John Hussey

    
    I'm sure they just got promoted last season.  Someone correct me if
    i'm wrong.
    
    Choppers

    
    	Choppers is right. Fiorentina played Serie A this past season,
    	having regained their place in the top division following
    	promotion from Serie B last season (ie. 93/94).
    
    	Andy.

    
    Maybe this rule just started this season,so even when Batistuta
    played in the Fiorentina Serie B championship winning side it
    didn`t matter if he was a foreigner.
    A long winded way of saying.......Choppers was right.
    
    Davie.

    The German Oliver Bierhoff is playing for Ascoli Calcio in Serie B,
    too.
    

 Yes strangers can play in div2 and probably in div3 too but 
 it never happened. 
 The rule is not new.

 Apart Bierhof and Batistuta I can remember the russian Aleinikof 
 some years ago with Lecce.

 I'm not totally sure but I think that Montero (Atalanta) is not 
 italian.  

 

    Stuart

    What's all this about ?

    > so .465 was a premature yahoo. Hmm, nothing unusual for a Celtic

    Now I'm all in favour of slagging somebody when slagging is due, BUT
    'twould appear that you have got your wires crossed here somewhere
    along the line. Or can you just not stomach the fact that Our Young
    Choppers has got something right for a change ?

    Malc.

    PS A Celtic what btw ?

    Malc,
    
    > A Celtic BTW
    
    is short for....swearings not allowed in conferences so I can't type
    it;^)
    
    Yeah Choppers threw me completely by getting it right (sorry lad) It
    took me 3 reads to confirm this....
    
    Stuart

    
    Inter in uefa  with a goal in 92 min.
    
    Genoa - Padova   to decide the fourth team down to div 2 
    
    in div2  Vicenza are up to div 1
             Ascoli are down to div 3
    
    last spot for div 1 will be decided by    
    
    ATALANTA-SALERNITANA     
    
    a drow is enought for  ATALANTA.
    
    last spot to div 3 : ACIREALE or less probably LUCCHESE.
    

    In the Italian division foreign players are admitted only in the major
    league. BUT  they can play in the same team if this team has been relegated.
    
    Pino

    
    But ONLY 1 ????? Isn't this the reason why Fiorentina had to unload
    Laudrup as Effenberg was already in the team when they got relagated.
    
    Dezzz. 

    No, up to three. Fiorentina chose to have only one foreign player.
    
    Pino.
    

    
    Aye, I suppose a second division team is unlikely to be able to afford
    the luxury of more than one foreign player.
    
    Dezzz.

    >Aye, I suppose a second division team is unlikely to be able to afford
    >the luxury of more than one foreign player.
    
    This is certainly true, especially in view of the fact that clubs are 
    only allowed to import foreign players of "proven quality". This is a
    very subjective term, but it's aim is obviously to prevent Italian
    football being swamped by overseas players of mediocre ability. 
    
    It also means that foreign players are expected to perform to a higher
    standard; for example, what is good enough for Eranio or Simone at
    Milan would probably not be enough for Savicevic/Boban to get their
    contracts renewed.
    
    Dom 

    
    One more I can remember: Joe Jordan (lo squalo) for Milan
    

 Well:

   The cup to Juve :   parma - juve 0 - 2   (0 3 aggr)

   Genoa down      :   Gonoa - Padova  5 - 6 after penalties
                                    (3 death due to heart attack)

   Atalanta up     :   Atalanta - Salernitana 2 - 1  
 
   Acireale down to div 3  

   ...and last rumors :  Baggio for Milan 
                         Signori for Parma (almost sure) 
 

    High jinks at Lazio yesterday. 
    
    The club announced their intention to sell Signori to Parma for an
    incredible (and ridiculous!) sum (25 billion lire?). Result: a mega
    demonstration outside the club's headquarters by several thousand fans,
    riot police called in, Dino Zoff attempted to calm the mob, two
    policemen injured...and the president, Cragnotti, was "forced" to go
    back on his tracks and take Signori off the market.
    
    Cragnotti then announced in disgust that he was selling his shares in the 
    club, and Lazio are looking for a new backer ;-)
    
    Dom                   

But they were happy to let Gazza go? Bizarre . . .

g

    
<<But they were happy to let Gazza go? Bizarre . . .>>

g,
    
    But that's because they knew Gazza was p*sh !
    
    

    You hope JJ, you hope !

    
    Bologna
    Pistoiese
    Reggina
    Avellino   from div 3 to div 2
    

    Berlusconi reckons that Silenzis'move to the Premiership could be the
    start of a mass exodus of Italian players to foreign leagues....how
    things are changing....it looks like the English league will be the
    strongest in Europe within a couple of seasons....
    
    Ray...."Baggio for QPR!!!!"

    >Berlusconi reckons that Silenzis'move to the Premiership could be the
    >start of a mass exodus of Italian players to foreign leagues....how
    >things are changing....it looks like the English league will be the
    >strongest in Europe within a couple of seasons....
    
    I do love it when Berlusconi gives his views on football (and
    gardening, and hang-gliding, and smallbore rifle shooting...).
    Actually, I think he's got something of a point on this occasion,
    although it should also be pointed out that most of the top strikers in
    Italian football are foreigners (N.B. Andrea Silenzi *ain't* one of the
    top strikers), so they're more likely to be exporting defenders. 
    
    Cynical I may be (though not a patch on some people in this
    notesfile), but footballers strike me as being the most mercenary bunch
    of the lot. In other words, should billions of dollars suddenly be
    pumped into (say) Swiss football tomorrow, you can bet that the top
    players would all troop off to play there, muttering: "Always wanted to
    play in Switzerland...best league in the world...new challenge, etc"
    
    Dom
    
    P.S. If this strikes you as a whole lot of meaningless banter, blame
    Malc and his little tantrum of two days ago. The notes are coming in
    ata faster rate now than at any time of the football season ;-) 

    Original (and touching) gesture from Inter's first team squad
    yesterday.
    
    In response to an idea from Beppe Bergomi (the defender who you may
    recall played as an 18-year old in the 1982 World Cup Final), the
    players held an auction in order to obtain their favorite shirt numbers
    for the coming season (this will be the first season that squad numbers
    are used in Italy), with the proceeds going to Red Cross activity in
    Bosnia. Players bid in order to get their "lucky" numbers. The only
    players excluded from the bidding were the two goalkeepers (nos. 1 and
    12), and the four foreigners (Ince, Rambert, Zanetti and Roberto
    Carlos), all of whose numbers were assigned automatically (however,
    they reportedly pitched in with hefty cash contributions).
    
    The auction raised 51 million lire, and Parma are expected to follow
    suit today.
    
    Dom

>>>>The auction raised 51 million lire

How much is that in proper money? 8-)

Mike

>How much is that in proper money? 8-)
    
    I knew someone would ask!
    
    About �20,000...water off a duck's back to top professional
    footballers (especially in Italy), but it at least shows they're not
    *totally* out of touch with the rest of the world.
    
    On a similar (i.e.news-conscious) note, I heard that Bohinen, Forest's
    Norwegian midfielder, has refused to play a friendly against France, in
    the light of recent events in the South Pacific.
    
    Dom  

>>>    footballers (especially in Italy), but it at least shows they're not
>>>    *totally* out of touch with the rest of the world.

I think it does. If they were in touch with the rest of the world, they'd
cheerily promise help and money to the Bosnians, have an enormous argument about
whether it's best to actually help or just talk about helping, decide on the
latter and then sod off when the Bosnians turn up to collect.

My name's Ben Elton. Goodnight.

Mike

    
   > On a similar (i.e.news-conscious) note, I heard that Bohinen, Forest's
   > Norwegian midfielder, has refused to play a friendly against France, in
   > the light of recent events in the South Pacific.
    
    Good man.   

    re:
    
    > On a similar (i.e.news-conscious) note, I heard that Bohinen, Forest's
    > Norwegian midfielder, has refused to play a friendly against France, in
    > the light of recent events in the South Pacific.
    
    not anymore. according to ceefax last night, all protests have been
    dropped.
    
    stuart

        
    > not anymore. according to ceefax last night, all protests have been
    > dropped.
    
    Lightweight.
    

    barry,
    
    typical footballers really. full of fine words but very short on taking
    action
    
    stuart

    
    	I think France should refuse to play Norway because of their
    continued insistence on hunting whales. So there.
    
    Malc$member_of_Greenpeace.
    

>>    	I think France should refuse to play Norway because of their
>>    continued insistence on hunting whales. So there.
    
    ...but they're not as bad as the Faroe Islanders, with their 'sporting'
    activities concerning Whales (or is that Wales; no that's Moldova!)
    
    Rob

    Fairly predictable start to the season...except that Franco Baresi
    scored his first goal in 5 years for Milan (they beat Padova 2-1 with
    Weah scoring the other goal). Baggio and Savicevic were reportedly
    "very disappointing".
    
    - Atlanta equalised in the third minute of injury time against Parma,
      after Stoitchkov had scored with a tremendous free kick.
    
    - Ince had a pretty quiet debut against Vicenza (well, I suppose he's
      still learning the language!), but Inter won 1-0 with a goal from the
      Brazilian, Roberto Carlos.
    
    - Lazio hammered Piacenza 4-1 with two goals from Signori
    
    - Roma and Sampdoria drew 1-1 (Balbo and Seedorf?)
    
    The rest is pretty hazy, and in any case, I'm sure most of you (at
    least those in the UK) will be  able to catch up with it on that Channel 
    4 programme (Gazetta Football Italia?)
    
    Dom
    

    Well, the first round of the Italian Cup last night saw the elimination
    of Roma, Torino and Parma (0-3 against Palermo!) by teams from the
    lower division. Admittedly, the Italian Cup only enjoys the same sort
    of prestige as the Coke Cup (I think a certain Arsenal attacker
    deserves to have the slate wiped clean after the heady days of last 
    season;-)), rather than the F.A. Cup, but it's still a financial blow to 
    any big club that gets knocked out this early.
    
    Milan and Juve both trounced weak opposition 4-1.
    
    Dom

    Anyone know the result of the Parma Vs Inter on Sunday night
    
    William

    Inter went one up through Roberto Carlos (third goal in three games -
    not bad for a full back) and probably had the best of the first half.
    
    They then lay down and died in the second half, as Parma scored twice
    in the first 10 minutes (Zola and Dino Baggio). Both teams hit the
    woodwork (in Inter's case, a cracking free kick from Roberto Carlos
    who's looking to be the best player in the league thus far).
    
    Ince was excellent in the first half, but was noticeable largely for a
    shocking tackle on Brambilla in the second (cue howls of disgust from
    the Crystal Palace note). Stoitchkov seems to be moving into form for
    Parma.
    
    Big talking point at the moment is Gianluca Vialli's refusal to return
    to the national team. He said he'd never play for them again after
    being dropped about 18 months ago; however, he's generally recognised
    as the top Italian centre-forward, and there've been desperate
    diplomatic efforts to ease him back into the fold. 
    
    Well, he was all set to make his big comeback next month (?) against
    Croatia, when Sacchi (national team manager) casually mentioned to a
    journalist that in the past he'd held two informal referendums amongst 
    the players on 2 occasions to gauge their feelings about Vialli's return 
    (the second referendum resulted in a unanimous "Si").
    
    Result? Vialli immediately states that no way will he ever play in a
    national team picked by "player power" (the Milan clan are widely
    recognised as being his enemies) and we're back to square one.
    Personally, much as I rate Sacchi, can quite understand Vialli's
    feelings.
    
    The latest news (?) is that Vialli wants to play for the Olympic team
    instead ;-)
    
    Dom

    Dom,
    
    Is Roberto Carlos the only Inter player to score this season? How may
    times has Ince been booked? I can't believe that this was the first
    time. Mind you, unless the referee speaks fairly good English, he can't
    be booked for dissent which is a bit of a boon for the mouthy gobsh1te.
    
    Stuart

    >Is Roberto Carlos the only Inter player to score this season? 
    
    Yessum! Two in the league, one in the Italian cup, and one last night in
    the UEFA Cup. It's beginning to get almost embarassing for Inter's
    strikers.
    
    >How may times has Ince been booked? I can't believe that this was the first
    >time. 
    
    'Fraid it was...
    
    >Mind you, unless the referee speaks fairly good English, he can't
    >be booked for dissent which is a bit of a boon for the mouthy gobsh1te.
    
    Well, there's some truth in that, although I daressay you're beginning
    to sound more and more like a Crystal Paranoid fan ;-)
    
    Hey, what about Julian Dicks for England (now that Vinnie Jones has
    elected for Welshdom)? ;-)
    
    Dom
    

    Last Sunday:
    
    Roma (Balbo) 1-2 Milan (Weah 2)
    Inter 0-0 Piacenza
    Sampdoria 3-0 Parma 
    Juventus 1-0 Vicenza
    Atalanta 1-3 Napoli
    Bari 3-3 Lazio
    
    Can't remember the rest.
    
    In case the news didn't make it back to the UK, Paul Ince was captain
    for Inter last Sunday; obviously, Stuart Panes isn't the only person to
    have noticed what a superb example he is for younger players.
    
    Dom

<<< Note 20.504 by VARESE::TRNUX1::IDC_BSTR "Oh no! NOT Milan Kundera again!" >>>
                         -< Better late than never... >-

    
>    In case the news didn't make it back to the UK, Paul Ince was captain
>    for Inter last Sunday; obviously, Stuart Panes isn't the only person to
>    have noticed what a superb example he is for younger players.
    
     Dom,
   

     This was a shrewd decision as it inspired Internazionale to force
     a goaless draw, at the San Siro , against legendary Italian giants 
     Piacenza.


     Stuart


     BTW Apparently Ferguson has been spotted in Italy. Is he hoping to
         bring Paul "Loyalty" Ince back to Blighty?

    That George Weah is a tad useful isn't he? Anyone see his goal
    yesterday for Milan against Juventus. Not only is he extremely skillful 
    and agile, but he's like lightening along the ground and has great heading
    ability. I'd put him in the Paul Furlong class.
    
    Andy
    
    
                                                  

    Yep, he's a *very* complete player, Andy. The newspapers here are
    comparing him with Van Basten; for the moment, they consider him
    slightly inferior in terms of skill, but superior to Van Basten on the
    physical side.
    
    Perhaps his greatest strength is that he doesn't seem to feel the
    pressure at all, no mater how much gumph the newspapers write ;-)
    
    Dom 

    
    Do I hear echoes of PSG supporters here?  Its such a shame for the
    Parisiens that he's now left...
    
    Remeber the Champions Cup?

    I am not (by far) a PSG's supporter, but he is badly missing (although
    this substitute, Valdes, is not that bad) !
    
    PYV
    

    Just out of interest,
    
    What happended to Asprillia (sp) of Parma I believe?  I looked at the
    Roma V Parma game on Sudnay and no mention was made of him.  Is he
    injured?
    
    Mayve Leeds can try and but him again and then they can keep their
    "smelly" hands off of Sinclair.
    
    William.

    Hi all,
    
    My name is Marcelo and I want to adcture a shirt of Italy league,
    if somebody help me, I thancks !!
    
    Please, contact me - Vaxmail  VAXRIO::MCASTRO
    
    Marcelo.

Atalanta-Udinese               0-0       
Cagliari-Roma                  0-2       
Fiorentina-Bari                3-2       
Inter-Milan                    1-1       
Lazio-Juventus                 4-0       
Napoli-Cremonese               0-0       
Padova-Sampdoria               1-1       
Parma-Piacenza                 3-2       
Torino-Vicenza                 1-0       

     squadra      pt       total             home               away    
 ---------------  --  -----------------  -----------------  -----------------
      
 Milan            17   8  5  2  1 13  7   3  3  0  0  7  2   5  2  2  1  6  5
 Parma            17   8  5  2  1 14  9   4  4  0  0  9  3   4  1  2  1  5  6
 Lazio            16   8  4  4  0 16  6   4  3  1  0 12  3   4  1  3  0  4  3
 Napoli           15   8  4  3  1 10  6   4  2  1  1  4  3   4  2  2  0  6  3
 Fiorentina       15   8  5  0  3 14 11   4  4  0  0 11  5   4  1  0  3  3  6
 Juventus         14   8  4  2  2 14  9   4  3  1  0  9  3   4  1  1  2  5  6
 Udinese          12   8  3  3  2  9  8   4  3  1  0  6  3   4  0  2  2  3  5
 Vicenza          11   8  3  2  3  7  6   4  3  1  0  6  2   4  0  1  3  1  4
 Inter            10   8  2  4  2  9  6   5  2  3  0  6  1   3  0  1  2  3  5
 Sampdoria        10   8  2  4  2 11  9   4  2  1  1  7  4   4  0  3  1  4  5
 Roma             10   8  2  4  2  8  7   4  0  2  2  2  4   4  2  2  0  6  3
 Atalanta         10   8  2  4  2  7  9   5  1  3  1  5  5   3  1  1  1  2  4
 Torino            9   8  2  3  3  8 12   4  2  2  0  7  4   4  0  1  3  1  8
 Bari              8   8  2  2  4 13 15   4  2  2  0  8  4   4  0  0  4  5 11
 Cagliari          7   8  2  1  5  4 11   4  1  1  2  1  3   4  1  0  3  3  8
 Piacenza          7   8  2  1  5  9 18   4  2  0  2  6  9   4  0  1  3  3  9
 Cremonese         3   8  0  3  5  6 13   3  0  2  1  1  2   5  0  1  4  5 11
 Padova            2   8  0  2  6  6 16   4  0  2  2  4  7   4  0  0  4  2  9

Ancona-Avellino                2-1       
Bologna-Venezia                1-1       
Foggia-Brescia                 0-5       
Genoa-Pescara                  5-1       
Lucchese-Cesena                4-3       
Palermo-Chievo                 2-1       
Pistoiese-Cosenza              1-1       
Reggiana-Salernitana           2-1       
Reggina-Perugia                1-0       
Verona-Fidelis Andria          0-0     

    squadra      pt       total               home                away 
 ---------------  --  -----------------  -----------------  -----------------
                       G  V  N  P  F  S   G  V  N  P  F  S   G  V  N  P  F  S
 Genoa            21  10  6  3  1 23 10   6  5  1  0 19  5   4  1  2  1  4  5
 Salernitana      17  10  5  2  3 10  4   5  4  1  0  6  0   5  1  1  3  4  4
 Bologna          17  10  4  5  1 10  6   5  3  2  0  6  3   5  1  3  1  4  3
 Brescia          16  10  4  4  2 15  8   5  2  3  0  5  3   5  2  1  2 10  5
 Verona           16  10  4  4  2 13  8   6  2  3  1  9  5   4  2  1  1  4  3
 Palermo          16  10  3  7  0  9  6   5  3  2  0  9  6   5  0  5  0  0  0
 Pescara          15  10  4  3  3 14 15   5  3  1  1 11  8   5  1  2  2  3  7
 Avellino         14  10  4  2  4 10 10   5  3  1  1  4  2   5  1  1  3  6  8
 Pistoiese        13  10  3  4  3 12 10   5  2  3  0  7  3   5  1  1  3  5  7
 Ancona           13  10  4  1  5 14 14   5  3  0  2 10  7   5  1  1  3  4  7
 Cesena           12  10  3  3  4 15 14   5  3  1  1  8  4   5  0  2  3  7 10
 Fidelis Andria   12  10  3  3  4 11 12   5  3  0  2  7  6   5  0  3  2  4  6
 Cosenza          11  10  2  5  3  9 11   5  2  2  1  7  5   5  0  3  2  2  6
 Reggiana         11  10  2  5  3 10 13   5  2  3  0  6  2   5  0  2  3  4 11
 Perugia          10  10  2  4  4  9 11   5  2  3  0  9  3   5  0  1  4  0  8
 Lucchese         10  10  2  4  4  9 15   5  1  3  1  5  5   5  1  1  3  4 10
 Reggina          10  10  1  7  2  6 13   5  1  4  0  4  3   5  0  3  2  2 10
 Foggia           10  10  2  4  4  6 14   5  2  2  1  2  5   5  0  2  3  4  9
 Chievo            9  10  1  6  3  9 11   4  0  3  1  1  2   6  1  3  2  8  9
 Venezia           7  10  1  4  5  5 14   4  0  2  2  1  6   6  1  2  3  4  8




C1/A
Alessandria-Ravenna            0-1       
Brescello-Carrarese            2-2       
Carpi-Prato                    1-1       
Massese-Fiorenzuola            1-0       
Montevarchi-Modena             1-2       
Pro Sesto-Leffe                0-1       
Saronno-Monza                  1-1       
Spal-Empoli                    1-0       
Spezia-Como                    1-2     

    squadra      pt       total               home                away 
 ---------------  --  -----------------  -----------------  -----------------
                       G  V  N  P  F  S   G  V  N  P  F  S   G  V  N  P  F  S
 Ravenna          21  10  6  3  1 15  9   5  3  1  1  8  5   5  3  2  0  7  4
 Spal             21  10  7  0  3 12  7   5  4  0  1  7  3   5  3  0  2  5  4
 Fiorenzuola      19  10  6  1  3 11  6   4  4  0  0  7  1   6  2  1  3  4  5
 Empoli           18  10  5  3  2 11  5   5  3  1  1  6  2   5  2  2  1  5  3
 Modena           17  10  5  2  3 15 13   5  3  0  2  8  5   5  2  2  1  7  8
 Montevarchi      17  10  5  2  3 10  8   5  3  0  2  6  5   5  2  2  1  4  3
 Carpi            15  10  3  6  1 15 10   5  3  2  0 11  4   5  0  4  1  4  6
 Monza            13  10  3  4  3 11 12   5  1  3  1  4  4   5  2  1  2  7  8
 Prato            13  10  4  1  5 12 15   5  3  0  2  7  7   5  1  1  3  5  8
 Como             12  10  3  3  4  8  8   4  1  2  1  4  3   6  2  1  3  4  5
 Alessandria      12  10  3  3  4  5  7   6  3  2  1  5  3   4  0  1  3  0  4
 Saronno          11  10  2  5  3 11 11   6  1  4  1  7  6   4  1  1  2  4  5
 Pro Sesto        11  10  3  2  5  8 10   5  1  1  3  2  6   5  2  1  2  6  4
 Massese          11  10  3  2  5  6  8   5  2  0  3  2  3   5  1  2  2  4  5
 Leffe            10  10  2  4  4  9 15   5  1  3  1  7  9   5  1  1  3  2  6
 Carrarese         9  10  2  3  5  8 12   5  1  2  2  2  2   5  1  1  3  6 10
 Brescello         8  10  1  5  4 11 14   5  0  3  2  5  7   5  1  2  2  6  7
 Spezia            7  10  2  1  7  7 15   5  2  1  2  6  6   5  0  0  5  1  9



C1/B
Ascoli-Lecce                   2-2       
Atl. Catania-Acireale          0-0       
Casarano-Ischia                1-1       
Gualdo-Nola                    0-0       
Lodigiani-Juve Stabia          2-1       
Nocerina-Savoia                0-0       
Siena-Chieti                   3-0       
Trapani-Castel Sangro          0-1       
Turris-Sora                    1-0    



     squadra      pt       totale             in casa          fuori casa    
 ---------------  --  -----------------  -----------------  -----------------
                       G  V  N  P  F  S   G  V  N  P  F  S   G  V  N  P  F  S
 Ascoli           19  10  5  4  1 14  8   5  4  1  0  8  2   5  1  3  1  6  6
 Lecce            18  10  5  3  2 17 11   5  5  0  0 12  4   5  0  3  2  5  7
 Siena            17  10  5  2  3 15  9   5  4  1  0 11  1   5  1  1  3  4  8
 Gualdo           17  10  4  5  1  6  3   5  2  3  0  3  1   5  2  2  1  3  2
 Castel Sangro    16  10  4  4  2  6  3   5  3  1  1  5  2   5  1  3  1  1  1
 Ischia           15  10  4  3  3  9  5   5  3  1  1  6  1   5  1  2  2  3  4
 Nocerina         13  10  3  4  3  9  8   5  1  4  0  5  2   5  2  0  3  4  6
 Trapani          13  10  3  4  3  5  6   5  2  2  1  4  3   5  1  2  2  1  3
 Casarano         12  10  2  6  2  9  9   5  1  4  0  5  4   5  1  2  2  4  5
 Acireale         12  10  2  6  2  4  6   5  2  3  0  3  1   5  0  3  2  1  5
 Lodigiani        12  10  3  3  4  9 15   5  3  2  0  8  5   5  0  1  4  1 10
 Savoia           11  10  2  5  3  6  6   5  2  2  1  4  2   5  0  3  2  2  4
 Chieti           11  10  3  2  5  9 13   5  3  1  1  5  2   5  0  1  4  4 11
 Sora             10  10  2  4  4  7  8   4  2  2  0  6  1   6  0  2  4  1  7
 Nola             10  10  2  4  4  3  8   5  2  2  1  2  1   5  0  2  3  1  7
 Juve Stabia       9  10  1  6  3  6  8   5  1  3  1  4  4   5  0  3  2  2  4
 Turris            9  10  1  6  3  5  8   5  1  3  1  4  4   5  0  3  2  1  4
 Atl. Catania      9  10  2  3  5  6 11   6  2  2  2  5  5   4  0  1  3  1  6



C2/A

AlzanoVirescit-Pavia           1-1       
Cittadella-Pro Vercelli        1-0       
Lecco-Olbia                    2-0       
Lumezzane-Valdagno             4-2       
Novara-Sassari Torres          1-1       
Ospitaletto-Solbiatese         0-0       
Palazzolo-Pro Patria           0-0       
Tempio-Legnano                 4-0       
Varese-Cremapergo              2-0  

    squadra      pt       totale             in casa          fuori casa    
 ---------------  --  -----------------  -----------------  -----------------
                       G  V  N  P  F  S   G  V  N  P  F  S   G  V  N  P  F  S
 Lumezzane        21   9  6  3  0 15  5   5  4  1  0 12  4   4  2  2  0  3  1
 Novara           19   9  5  4  0 14  6   5  1  4  0  4  3   4  4  0  0 10  3
 Sassari Torres   17   9  4  5  0 14  8   4  2  2  0  6  3   5  2  3  0  8  5
 Cittadella       15   9  4  3  2 12 10   4  2  2  0  6  4   5  2  1  2  6  6
 Pavia            14   9  4  2  3  7  7   4  3  0  1  3  2   5  1  2  2  4  5
 AlzanoVirescit   13   9  3  4  2 11  8   5  2  1  2  7  6   4  1  3  0  4  2
 Lecco            13   9  3  4  2  9  8   5  2  2  1  4  3   4  1  2  1  5  5
 Olbia            12   9  4  0  5  6  7   4  3  0  1  4  1   5  1  0  4  2  6
 Pro Vercelli     11   9  2  5  2 12 11   4  2  2  0  7  4   5  0  3  2  5  7
 Solbiatese       11   9  2  5  2  5  6   4  2  1  1  4  4   5  0  4  1  1  2
 Varese           10   9  2  4  3 11 10   5  1  3  1  6  6   4  1  1  2  5  4
 Ospitaletto      10   9  2  4  3  9  8   5  0  3  2  4  6   4  2  1  1  5  2
 Pro Patria       10   9  2  4  3  5  8   4  2  1  1  3  3   5  0  3  2  2  5
 Valdagno         10   9  3  1  5  8 14   5  3  0  2  5  7   4  0  1  3  3  7
 Tempio            9   9  2  3  4 10  9   5  1  2  2  5  3   4  1  1  2  5  6
 Legnano           6   9  1  3  5  3 13   4  1  2  1  2  3   5  0  1  4  1 10
 Cremapergo        5   9  0  5  4  3  9   4  0  3  1  3  4   5  0  2  3  0  5
 Palazzolo         5   9  0  5  4  2  9   5  0  3  2  0  5   4  0  2  2  2  4



C2/B
Baracca Lugo-Fermana           0-0       
Cecina-Vis Pesaro              2-1       
Fano-Livorno                   1-2       
Forli'-Centese                 4-0       
Giorgione-Triestina            1-1       
Imola-Sandona'                 0-1       
Mob.Ponsacco-Treviso           1-2       
Rimini-Tolentino               2-0       
Ternana-Pontedera              0-0 

    squadra      pt       totale             in casa          fuori casa    
 ---------------  --  -----------------  -----------------  -----------------
                       G  V  N  P  F  S   G  V  N  P  F  S   G  V  N  P  F  S
 Triestina        19   9  5  4  0 12  4   4  2  2  0  4  0   5  3  2  0  8  4
 Ternana          18   9  5  3  1 13  5   5  3  2  0  6  2   4  2  1  1  7  3
 Livorno          17   9  5  2  2 14  7   4  2  1  1  9  4   5  3  1  1  5  3
 Sandona'         16   9  4  4  1 10  4   4  3  1  0  7  1   5  1  3  1  3  3
 Treviso          16   9  4  4  1 13  8   4  1  2  1  4  4   5  3  2  0  9  4
 Mob.Ponsacco     15   9  4  3  2 10  9   5  3  1  1  7  5   4  1  2  1  3  4
 Giorgione        13   9  3  4  2 10  7   5  2  2  1  3  2   4  1  2  1  7  5
 Fermana          13   9  3  4  2  8  7   4  2  2  0  6  4   5  1  2  2  2  3
 Forli'           11   9  3  2  4  9 10   5  2  1  2  6  4   4  1  1  2  3  6
 Cecina           11   9  3  2  4  8  9   5  2  2  1  7  5   4  1  0  3  1  4
 Rimini           10   9  2  4  3  8  6   5  2  1  2  5  2   4  0  3  1  3  4
 Pontedera        10   9  1  7  1  8  8   4  1  3  0  4  3   5  0  4  1  4  5
 Vis Pesaro       10   9  2  4  3  8  8   4  0  3  1  2  3   5  2  1  2  6  5
 Baracca Lugo      8   9  1  5  3  7  9   5  0  3  2  4  6   4  1  2  1  3  3
 Fano              8   9  1  5  3  7 11   5  1  2  2  5  8   4  0  3  1  2  3
 Tolentino         7   9  1  4  4  5  9   4  0  2  2  2  4   5  1  2  2  3  5
 Imola             7   9  2  1  6  4 13   5  1  1  3  2  8   4  1  0  3  2  5
 Centese           2   9  0  2  7  4 24   4  0  1  3  2  8   5  0  1  4  2 16



C2/C
Astrea-Catania                 4-1       
Avezzano-Trani                 5-0       
Battipagliese-Taranto          1-0       
Bisceglie-Marsala              1-0       
Castrovillari-Fasano           1-1       
Catanzaro-Benevento            3-1       
Frosinone-Giulianova           1-1       
Teramo-Albanova                0-0       
Viterbese-Matera               1-1 


     squadra      pt       totale             in casa          fuori casa    
 ---------------  --  -----------------  -----------------  -----------------
                       G  V  N  P  F  S   G  V  N  P  F  S   G  V  N  P  F  S
 Avezzano         21   9  6  3  0 17  2   5  4  1  0 14  1   4  2  2  0  3  1
 Albanova         20   9  6  2  1 10  3   4  3  1  0  6  1   5  3  1  1  4  2
 Giulianova       17   9  5  2  2 12  5   4  3  1  0  8  1   5  2  1  2  4  4
 Bisceglie        14   9  3  5  1  8  6   5  2  3  0  4  2   4  1  2  1  4  4
 Frosinone        13   9  3  4  2  9  7   5  2  2  1  6  4   4  1  2  1  3  3
 Castrovillari    13   9  3  4  2  9  8   5  3  2  0  8  3   4  0  2  2  1  5
 Viterbese        12   9  3  3  3 10  8   4  2  1  1  7  4   5  1  2  2  3  4
 Teramo           12   9  3  3  3  6  4   5  2  2  1  5  2   4  1  1  2  1  2
 Matera           12   9  3  3  3  8  8   4  2  1  1  4  2   5  1  2  2  4  6
 Astrea           12   9  3  3  3  8 10   5  2  2  1  6  3   4  1  1  2  2  7
 Catania          12   9  4  0  5 11 14   4  3  0  1  7  4   5  1  0  4  4 10
 Catanzaro        11   9  2  5  2  7  6   5  2  2  1  5  2   4  0  3  1  2  4
 Battipagliese    11   9  2  5  2  5  5   5  1  3  1  1  2   4  1  2  1  4  3
 Taranto          11   9  3  2  4 10 13   4  2  1  1  5  3   5  1  1  3  5 10
 Benevento        10   9  2  4  3  5  8   4  2  1  1  2  2   5  0  3  2  3  6
 Marsala           8   9  2  2  5  7 11   4  0  2  2  2  4   5  2  0  3  5  7
 Fasano            3   9  0  3  6  3 10   4  0  1  3  1  4   5  0  2  3  2  6
 Trani             3   9  0  3  6  3 20   5  0  2  3  3 10   4  0  1  3  0 10

    
    Alan Hansen was on form last night trying to describe Silenzi's
    performance against Lyon last night.
    
    Des Lynam " He's played for Italy, once I believe"
    Alan Hansen " There must have been four hundred players injured 
                  that week "
    
    Pj
    
    

    >Can;t head,control,shoot etc
    
    God.. he sounds worse than Cole @ ManU...
    
    I didn't think that was possible...
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.

    
    16 goals scored is season 93/94 (apart cups)
    
    16 italian goals is almost equal to 40 english goals 
    so he's probably missing something now.  
     
    
     

    re -1
    
    Er, may one be so bold as to suggest he isn't suited to the way that
    forest play. That is, they don't need a 6'4" Centre Forward who can't
    control the ball when it is played to him?

    Incidentally, Stuart, you may well recall Silenzi playing (or should I
    say "not playing"? ;-)) for Torino against Arsenal in the Gooners
    victorious ECWC campaign a couple of seasons back. Tony Adams snud him
    out like a light over the two legs.
    
    No, if English clubs want to buy in Italy, I think they'd be better
    advised to go after people like Baresi (senile though he may be) or
    Maldini, rather than Silenzi or "Spoiled Brat" Mancini.
    
    Dom

    Dom,
    
    Silenzi was anonymous in both games, although he still managed to give
    the Arsenal defence a hard time. 
    
    BTW what does 'snud' mean?
    
    Ciao,
    
    Stuart

    C'mon, Stuart! "Snud" is that stuff that you take in pinches and snort
    up your nose.
    
    Apparently, Winston Churchill  was very partial to it.
    
    Dom

    Copyright 1996 Reuters Ltd.  All rights reserved.
    
    Besieged Italian referee dials police escort

    ROME - An Italian minor league soccer referee, fleeing furious fans and
    players, barricaded himself in a changing room and summoned a police
    escort by dialing an emergency number on a mobile telephone.

    Referee Marco Rufanelli feared for his safety after sending off three
    of home team Fiesole's players, including the goalkeeper, and booking
    four others in a match played on the outskirts of Florence and won 3-2
    by visitors Affrico.

    Fiesole players claimed the referee had also denied the team a clear
    penalty in the first minute. The match was won by Affrico from a free
    kick in the area in the 80th.

    - - - -

    
    Ivano Boneti the ex Genoa player has had his jaw fractured by his
    manager...
    
    We do things different over here !!!
    
    Pj 

    Does anyone know the score in the Milan v Inter game last night?
    
    William

	AC Milan	0-1	Inter

    
    Is the league still on strike and if so how long for ???
    
    Pj

Hi Paul,

I think Serie A only called a one-day strike (last Sunday), and the plan was to 
let Serie B & C strike on later days. There are "all-party talks" this Friday 
to try and sort it out.

grahame

    Why are they on strike - what on earth have over-payed, under-worked
    footballers got to strike about????
    
    William

William!

For once I agree with you!

Ian.

:-)

I'm not sure of the exact details, but it's either a protest at continued 
world famine and violence, or, possibly, they don't think they're as overpaid 
or underworked as the rest of us do!

g

    I heard the strike is over the implementation of the Bosman ruling.

    CNN reported (so it must be true) that there were several demands
    including:
    
    o better insurance/pensions for players when they retire.
    o some sort of insurance fund for clubs in financial trouble.
    o a restriction on the number of foreign players allowed
    o a bigger share of transfer fees and tv money for the players
    
    Regards
    
    Andrew.D.Wicks

    o better insurance/pensions for players when they retire.
      Mmmmm...not sure about this one.
    
    o some sort of insurance fund for clubs in financial trouble.
      Good idea.
    
    o a restriction on the number of foreign players allowed
      Yes, totally agree with this one.
    
    o a bigger share of transfer fees and tv money for the players
      Having a laugh aren't they?
    
    
    charley

    
    o Serie A players get good benefits but the players in the lower
      leagues get a rough deal. Whether this was wages or pension rights I
      don't know.
    
    

    
    bari 
    torino
    cremonese
    padova      are all down to div2
    
    verona is almost up 
    perugia on the way 
    battle for two other places between bologna lucchese salernitana cesena
    
     

    Well, Sacchi has just announced the Italian squad for EC96...and
    there's no place for Roberto Baggio, Signori, Vialli (no surprise
    there) or Benarrivo.
    
    Dom

    Dom,
    
    	I had heard that Vialli had been recalled due to Ravanelli's
    injury. I presume that someone else has come in to take his place.
    
    
    	Ian.

    No, Ravanelli's definitely in, Ian, although he's recovering from
    injury (I think he played part of the game yesterday for Juventus).
    
    As for Vialli, he's been feuding with Sacchi and the Italian federation
    for a while now, and pretty much ruled himself out. FWIW, the four
    attackers in the squad are Zola, Casiraghi, Ravanelli and Chiesa.
    
    Dom

    
    Do you know the reasons why R. Baggio has not been selected ?
    
    PYV

    Dom,
    
    	With those 4 Italians strikers then, has Del Pierro been left 
    out aswell, or is he classed as a midfield player ??
    
    
    BTW, I presume Baggio's absence is due to the form of Zola this Season.
    
    	Ian.

Where's Signori ? Is he not the highest scorer again this season ?

    >BTW, I presume Baggio's absence is due to the form of Zola this Season.
    
    Actually, it's due to the form of Baggio this season ;-) He's been pretty
    chronic since he came to Milan (substituted about 15 times). Even Zola
    hasn't been his usual consistent self.
    
    As for Del Piero, he's classed as a midfield player (which is
    debatable, but then I don't personally consider Zola or baggio to be
    out-and-out attackers either).
    
    Dom

>Where's Signori ? Is he not the highest scorer again this season ?
    
    Yessum (equal with Protti), but he's also not on brilliant terms with
    Sacchi (due to poor performances for the national team, being forced to
    play out of position, etc.)
    
    Indeed, there are some very unhappy campers in Serie A at the moment.
    
    Dom

    
    bologna
    verona
    reggiana
    perugia     are back to div 1 
    
    andria
    avellino
    ancona
    pistoiese   are back to div 3
    

    
    Out of curiosity what is the feeling in Italy about the recent
    transfer developments between the two countries...
    
    Do they see this as older stars making a last big pay day or are they
    worried that the Premier can now match Seri A.
    
    Pj

    Pj
    He is only 27 so there are a few more years in him yet. �25,000 after
    tax for playing football! (I assume you refer to the silver haired one) 
    
    Ruuds problem is going to be the language barrier - how many foreigners
    in the squad now? 
    
    With all these star players coming into the teams over here I am just  
    wondering how a "team" will function with so many individuals.
    
    
    		
    			Stretch.

    What does the panel think of George Weah's goal for Milan last
    Sunday?...
    
    Top 10 of all-time?...
    
    Ray....

    >What does the panel think of George Weah's goal for Milan last
    >Sunday?...
    
    >Top 10 of all-time?...
    
    That must be one hell of a top 10 !  I can't think of any better
    "individual" goals.

I still think Maradona's against England was better.
No lucky break of the ball and it was against England

    All,
    
    Can anyone clear up a rumour I've been hearing?
    
    L. Van Gaal in talks with Sampdoria.
    
    Also do you think if Sampdoria stay in 2nd place and qualify for
    the Champions League then Mancini will stay.
    
    Craig.

Patrick Kluivert and Winston Bogarde (both Ajax) have signed a 4 years contract
for AC Milan.

    Winston Bogarde eh? Of all the gin joints in all the world he had to
    walk into theirs.
    
    Tony
    

    
    Read a report offan violence in Florence after the Fiorentina -
    Juventus game. 20 police & fans injured. Report said this was the 2nd
    week running this had happened. Is violence in football common now in
    Italy ?  Or are these incidents isolated (if thats not a contradiction
    in terms !)
    
    Trevor

    Not isolated at all I'm afraid, although I don't think the current
    situation compares with (say) the 70s/early 80s in England. Fact is,
    Trevor, there was a *huge* police presence at this game and yet they
    still couldn't do anyhing about the incidents.
    
    Some Italians may not agree with me, but I reckon Fiorentina-Juve (and
    viceversa) is probably about the riskiest fixture on the calendar, more
    so than any derby match. I'm not too sure of the reasons (I guess it
    goes back to before I came out here), but the two clubs do NOT like
    each other. And the snode comments in the press from "celebrities" like
    the film director Zeffirelli (nutcase Fiorentina fan) and Juve
    president/Fiat boss (and general snob) Agnelli do nowt to help matters.
    
    Oh, and the match finished 1-1 (probably the best thing for the safety
    of all)...
    
    Dom

    
    Dom,
    
    Apparently, the ill-feeling dates back to the early eighties when Juve
    snatched the championship from underneath Fiorentina's nose with a
    dodgy penalty in the deciding game between the two (a pint to whoever
    can name the man that scored that penalty) and then proceeded to steal
    (ie buy) their star player a couple of days later. No doubt Craig "the
    Scottish Italian" can update you with further details.
    
    Jeff

    
    >Apparently, the ill-feeling dates back to the early eighties when Juve
    >snatched the championship from underneath Fiorentina's nose with a
    >dodgy penalty in the deciding game between the two (a pint to whoever
    >can name the man that scored that penalty)
    
    Very eenteresteeng...Liam Brady, by any chance? (It's all coming back
    to me now.)
    
    >then proceeded to steal (ie buy) their star player a couple of days later.
    
    Can't think who that might have been, but I recall the fracas when Juve
    bought Baggio from Fiorentina a few years back. In comparison, I'd say
    that Paul Ince is the toast of Upton Park! Baggio actually refused to
    take a penalty for Juventus against Fiorentina about 5 years ago
    because he was afraid of the consequences.
    
    Dom

    
    Re, Liam Brady
    
    Dom,
    
    I owe you a pint!
    
    j.

Coming back to Sunday's game, the violence was BEFORE the game. The Juve bus 
was attacked, a window broken and the keeper was injured and couldn't play.

g

    To their credit, Grahame, Juventus made an official statement to the
    effect that Peruzzi (the said keeper) was already feeling unwell and
    would not have played in any case.
    
    Not that I want to strike a blow in favour of fans who try to eliminate
    the opposition before the start of the match, of course ;-)
    
    Dom