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Hello.

Here are the results and standings after 2 days ...

Wattenscheid	- Leverkusen	3:0
M�nchengladbach	- Duisburg	0:0
Hamburg		- Dresden	2:0
Dortmund	- Bremen	2:1
M�nchen		- Rostock	1:2 !
N�rnberg	- D�sseldorf	3:1
Frankfurt	- Schalke	5:0
Kaiserslautern	- Bochum	1:1
K�ln		- Stuttgart K.	0:0
VfB Stuttgart	- Karlsruhe	1:0

League

 1. Frankfurt			16. M�nchen
 2. Rostock			17. M�nchengladbach
 3. Stuttgarter Kickers		18. Schalke
 4. Hamburg			19. D�sseldorf
 5. Dortmund			20. Dresden



Zweite Bundesliga

Nord
    Osnabr�ck - St.Pauli 0:1	
    Uerdingen - Meppen   0:2

1. SV Meppen	    5:0	    6:0
2. FC St.Pauli	    5:2	    5:1
3. BW90 Berlin	    6:3	    4:2
.
8. Braunschweig	    4:5	    3:3
.
11.Uerdingen	    2:6	    1:5


S�d
    Saarbr�cken - 1860	1:1

1. FC Homburg	    4:0	    5:1    
2. Mannheim	    6:3	    4:2
3. SC Freiburg	    6:4	    4:2
.
9. 1860 M�nchen	    2:3	    2:4



Cheers. Heiko

    
    Yesterday
    
    VfL Bochum		- Hamburger SV		2:3  (2:0 at halftime)
    Dynamo Dresden	- Eintracht Frankfurt	2:1  (2*G�tschow)
    Karlsruhe		- M�nchengladbach	2:0
    MSV Duisburg	- Wattenscheid 09	0:0
    
    FC St.Pauli		- BW 90 Berlin		2:0
    Braunschweig	- Fortuna K�ln		1:1
    
    RW Erfurt		- FSV Mainz 05		0:5
    Homburg		- SC Freiburg		3:0
    Darmstadt 98	- FC Jena		3:1
    
    League Standings tomorrow
    
    Heiko
    

Hi boys.

Here's the rest of the 3rd day (4th resp. for 2nd Div.)

Schalke 04	- FC N�rnberg		1:0
D�sseldorf	- Bayern M�nchen	0:1
Werder Bremen	- VfB Stuttgart		1:1
1.FC K�ln	- Kaiserslautern	1:1
Suttgarter Kick.- Leverkusen		0:1
Hansa Rostock	- Borussia Dortmund	5:1

M�nchens new brazilian star-to-be Mazinho scored Bayerns 1:0 in the 90th
minute. First goals and victories for Schalke and Dresden, but what's all
that to Hansa Rostocks unbelievable start. They were *determined* to reach 
nothing better than the 19th place - that's what the experts said...
Perhaps they can even get Barca by surprise in the EC.

 1 .Hansa Rostock		11:2	6:0
 2. Hamburger SV		 5:2	5:1
 3. Eintracht Frankfurt		 8:3	4:2
 4. Kaiserslautern		 3:2	4:2
 5. MSV Duisburg		 1:0	4:2

10. 1.FC K�ln			 3:3	3:3
10. Bayern M�nchen		 3:3	3:3

14. Schalke 04			 1:5	3:3

16. Werder Bremen		 3:4	2:4
17. Dynamo Dresden		 2:4	2:4
18. FC N�rnberg			 3:6	2:4
19. Borussia M�nchengladbach	 0:3	1:5
20. Fortuna D�sseldorf		 2:6	0:6

First victory for the Lions, 1:0 to Waldhof Mannheim. SV Meppen is still
top of the northern section (Who's gonna find it on a map ??)

North					South
1. SV Meppen		7:0 8:0		1. FC Homburg		7:0 7:1
2. FC St.Pauli		7:2 7:1		2. FSV Mainz 05		7:2 5:3
.					.
					7. TSV 1860		3:3 4:4


Heiko

    Another goal for Bayern in the 90th minute !!! How unusual 8-)

    >Same c*** different season ! 
    
    
    	No way Pagey, this is an excellent start. German cup results from
    Saturday, well the main one anyway  :-)
    
    
    
    Bayern 2 FC Homburg 4 (after extra time).
    
    Homburg are 2nd division south.
    
    
    As for Rostock? Makes a bit of a nonsense only letting 2 of the East
    German league into the Bundesliga 1. Still I suppose there's plenty of
    time yet...... One of the Bayern management said after Rostocks win,
    that they won't drop any more points at home this season, (or something
    along those lines), can't wait to hear what they have to say after the
    NEXT home game. This will be Heynkiss last year at B.M. I reckon.
    
    
    		Steve

    
    Apparently Steve, Heynkes is out if they don't beat Schalke tomorrow
    and get at least a draw against Dresden..Hoeness's face was a sight
    after the game.....I think the shiney happy people in Munich these days
    are wearing blue and white !!!!!
    
    Dezzz.

    Lets not get hysterical gents. Bayern have shown a radical improvement
    in their cup form this season. Just remember who put them out last
    year !!

Re. last two,   

I can quite believe Heynkes will go after the mid-week game...I dont think I 
have ever seen a professional team play so badly as Bayern on Saturday...They
gave away possesion continuosly, were incapable of taking chances (with the
exception of Menzinho (sp?)), but worst of all, just like end of last season,
they showed NO determination to win....

Tony,  who_hopes_cork_stuff_them_in_europe! 

    What makes Saturday so exceptional then Tony ? Everything they have
    won over the past 4 seasons has been a complete fluke !!

Bundesliga 9th day 

VfL Bochum		- Borussia M�nchengladbach	3:1
Fortuna D�sseldorf	- MSV Duisburg			1:1
Hansa Rostock		- Karlsruher SC			1:2
Dynamo Dresden		- Wattenscheid 09		3:0
Schalke 04		- Bayer Leverkusen		0:0
Hamburger SV		- FC Bayern M�nchen		1:0
1.FC Kaiserslautern	- Borussia Dortmund		4:0
1.FC K�ln		- VfB Stuttgart			1:1
Stuttgarter Kickers	- Werder Bremen			2:1
Eintracht Frankfurt	- 1.FC N�rnberg			2:2


Sorry no league details

 1. Frankfurt
 2. Stuttgart
 3. Hamburg 

 7. Rostock
 8. M�nchen

16. K�ln

19. M�nchengladbach
20. D�sseldorf


Zweite Budesliga Nord

FC St.Pauli	- SV Meppen	2:1

1. FC St. Pauli		12:6
2. SV Meppen		11:7


Zweite Bundesliga S�d

M�nchen 1860	- FC Homburg	3:0

1. SC Freiburg		12:6
2. FC Homburg		12:6

8. M�nchen 1860		 8:10



Heiko

    Sky TV is now broadcasting a German game live on Friday night, the
    first one was Rostock - Karlsruher, both from the old east I think.
    There were plenty of long range shots, the winner from Karlsuher was
    excellent, 10 yards outside the box !
    
    jb.

    Can someone explain the reasoning behind the way the results are
    presented on television. It's not alphabetic or by league position.
    I can only assume it may be Toto related. Is this correct ??
    
    P.S. Karlsruhe are not from the former DDR, the city lies a bit further
    West than Stuttgart...

    I think they show points for and points against: For example
    
    
                    P    W   D   L   Pts
    
    Bayern Munchen  10   0   0   10  0:20

    Yes, I understand that, what confuses me is the order in which they
    show the results on a given day....

    
    What if there simply were no order ??
    
    

    >What if there simply were no order ??
    
    In Germany ? You must be joking......
    
    	- Robin

    In what way does the presentation of results differ from that in
    England then ?
    
    Dave (confused ex-Bayern fan)

    In Britain the results are alphabetically by home team, eg. Arsenal
    before Crystal Palace etc...
    
    There can't be 'no' order as it seems consistent between different TV
    stations, newspapers etc....

    Well maybe the away team is placed first, as is the case in American
    football.

    Sorry...tried that too :^)...
    

    
    
    
    	I believe it is the LOTTO format.

    It's getting pretty tight at the top of the Bundersliga is'nt it? 
    There seems to be only one point seperating about 4 or 5 teams and
    yet another draw for Koln. That's at least seven draws now, surely?
    
    Barry.  

Regarding the team order on scores, in Germany the league games are played
Friday night, Saturday afternoon, Saturday night and Sunday (not the same teams
;-> so the scores in the paper and on telly come out in alphabetical and date
order (I think - come on Malcolm, you've been here years!).

Also the German cup scores are sorted on Bundesliga versus Bundesliga,
Bundesliga 2 versus Bundesliga 2, 1 versus 2, 1 versus Amateur (ie. second
team), Amateur versus Amateur etc. so its a bloody nightmare finding out
anything. Ganz normal, nicht wahr?

Bob

    Hmmm...could be...I'll look out for that this weekend.
    
    Yes...I've been here years, but I'm just getting my brain into
    Oktoberfest mode...starts Saturday...Whoopee....
    
    Hello Bob :^)..

Wonderfull football afternoon in Munich last Sunday. 1860 received the -
untill then - unbeaten leader FC Homburg (those who beat Bayern 4:2 in Munich).
Splendid weather and a 25,000 crowd. The lions started quite well and made some 
good moves. A free kick near the half line resulted in the first goal for the
lions, a perfect header from - Frank Pingel. Only playing ten minutes for his 
new side he scored his first goal and the crowd went mad. The lions must have
been really surprised leading against Homburg and pulled back for nearly 15 
minutes they only defended. Homburg put a lot of pressure and showed why they 
were the leader. To be fair I must admit it would have been justice if they had
scored a goal then. Only the keeper and luck saved 1860 from the equalizer. But 
then we came back. Counter attack and it was 2:0. A Homburg player was well 
deserved redcarded for a very bad tackle. 
Short before half time another excellent pass from Kneissl onto Koutsolakis 
who outplayed the keeper and scored the third goal. From the second goal on 
there was only one team playing. Homburg looked only for an acceptable result. 
The second half was dominated by 1860. Pity that we didn't score more but the 
keeper made some good saves and the player weren't that concentrated in 
widening the result. With fifteen minutes to go Frank Pingel was substituted
and he got standing ovations. He played very well, fought hard and scored a 
goal - what more do you expect from a new player?

    Well, it was a fiesta in Giesing. It is a long time that I saw three
    goals in Gr�nwalder Stra�e. In that form the lions shouldn't have 
problems to stay in the second Bundesliga. Now we are waiting for Schmidbauer 
and Heisig (the two regular strikers) to come back. What a powerfull attack 
this will be.

Servus
G�nter

PS. I have no idea in which order the results are presented in TV (and never
cared)

Bundesliga 10th day	21/09/91

M�nchengladbach		- K�ln			2:2
Karlsruhe		- D�sseldorf		1:5
Wattenscheid		- Bochum		1:2
Dortmund		- Hamburg		2:2
M�nchen			- Frankfurt		3:3
N�rnberg		- Stuttgarter Kickers	2:0
Bremen			- Rostock		1:0
Leverkusen		- Dresden		4:0
Stuttgart		- Kaiserslautern	4:1
Duisburg		- Schalke		2:0

 1. VfB Stuttgart		18: 6		14: 6
 2. Eintracht Frankfurt		25:13		13: 7
 3. Bayer Leverkusen		11: 7		13: 7
 4. Hamburger SV		12:10		13: 7
 5. MSV Duisburg		14:10		11: 7
 6. 1.FC N�rnberg		16:13		11: 9
 7. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		15:12		11: 9
 8. Bayern M�nchen		13:12		11: 9
 9. Borussia Dortmund		19:21		11: 9
10. Werder Bremen		15:11		10:10
11. Hansa Rostock		16:13		10:10
12. Schalke 04			13:15		10:10
13. Karlsruher SC		13:18		10:10
14. VfL Bochum			14:17		 9:11
15. Stuttgarter Kickers		13:15		 8:10
16. 1.FC K�ln			10:16		 8:12
17. Dynamo Dresden		 7:16		 7:13
18. Fortuna D�sseldorf		15:21		 6:14
19. Wattenscheid 09		11:17		 6:14
20. Borussia M�nchengladbach	 9:16		 6:14

Top Scorers
 7 T�nnies	(Duisburg) 
 6 Bode		(Bremen)
   Schreier	(D�sseldorf)
   Banach	(K�ln)
   Eckstein	(N�rnberg)
   Walter	(Stuttgart)


2. Bundesliga Nord	

Hertha BSC Berlin	- FC St.Pauli	4:2

 1. BW90 Berlin		14:10	12: 8
 2. Bayer Uerdingen	15:12	12: 8
 3. Hannover 96		15:13	12: 8
 4. Hertha BSC		12:10	12: 8
 5. FC St.Pauli		14:13	12: 8
12. Braunschweig	11:20	 6:14


2. Bundesliga S�d

RW Erfurt		- 1860 M�nchen	2:1

 1. SC Freiburg		21:12	13: 7
 2. Saarbr�cken		16:10	13: 7
 3. FC Jena		11: 8	13: 7
 8. 1860 M�nchen	10:11	 8:12
12. RW Erfurt		 7:29	 3:17

  Could not resist the urge to see one more game at the Olympic 
  stadium...and for the second time this season, a good game.

  6 goals between them, 1-0, 1-1, 1-2, 2-2, 3-2, 3-3 , with both
  teams having many chances to score more...the last 10 minutes 
  Bayern hit the underside of the bar and Frankfurt had the just
  the keeper to beat on two occasions.

  Get the feeling that Frankfurt will now go on and win the 
  championship this season.

  Bayern, out of the cup, no championship, and Cork will win 2-1

    
    The fourth round of the DFB-Cup was (partially) played yesterday:
    
    Amateurs - Bundesliga:
    
    Hamburger SV (Am)	- Karlsruher SC	 	0:1
    SC Bamberg 08	- FC Kaiserslautern	0:1
    Freiburger FC	- VfB Stuttgart		1:6
    Viktoria K�ln	- Kickers Stuttgart	1:2	aet
    
    Saw the highlights of the first three matches on telly. Karlsruhe
    and Kaiserslautern were extremely lucky to win, both were outplayed
    by their opponentn spare-time footballers in the 2nd half.
    Kaiserslautern won because of the very good performance of thei
    goalkeeper Ehrmann, and Karlsruhes only goal derived from an absolutely
    unnecessary penalty, with Hamburgs players being to nervous and
    unexperienced to make a goal out of their various (5 or 6) big chances
    in the second half. Freiburg played technically skilled quick attacking
    football, but then couldn't recover from receiving 3 goals between 
    the 40th min and halftime. 
    
    The quarterfinals (played on 28/29 Oct)
    
    Bayer Leverkusen		- VfB Stuttgart
    Werder Bremen		- Kaiserslautern
    Hannover 96			- Karlsruher SC
    M�nchengladbach		- Stuttgarter Kickers
    
    Heiko
    

Bundesliga 11th day	28/09/91

Bochum		- Leverkusen		0:2
N�rnberg	- M�nchen		1:1
K�ln		- Wattenscheid		1:1
Dresden		- Duisburg		0:0
Schalke		- Karlsruhe		3:1
D�sseldorf	- Bremen		0:0
Frankfurt	- Dortmund		3:0
Hamburg		- VfB Stuttgart		1:1
Kaiserslautern	- M�nchengladbach	4:2
Kickers		- Rostock		1:1


 1. ( 2) Eintracht Frankfurt		25:13		15: 7
 2. ( 1) VfB Stuttgart			19: 7		15: 7
 3. ( 3) Bayer Leverkusen		13: 7		15: 7
 4. ( 4) Hamburger SV			13:11		14: 8
 5. ( 7) 1.FC Kaiserslautern		19:14		13: 9
 6. ( 5) MSV Duisburg			14:10		12: 8
 7. ( 7) 1.FC N�rnberg			17:14		12:10
 8. ( 8) Bayern M�nchen			14:13		12:10
 9. (12) Schalke 04			16:16		12:10
10. (10) Werder Bremen			15:11		11:11
11. (11) Hansa Rostock			17:14		11:11
12. ( 9) Borussia Dortmund		19:24		11:11
13. (13) Karlsruher SC			14:21		10:12
14. (15) Stuttgarter Kickers		14:16		 9:11
15. (14) VfL Bochum			14:19		 9:13
16. (16) 1.FC K�ln			11:17		 9:13
17. (17) Dynamo Dresden			 7:16		 8:14
18. (18) Fortuna D�sseldorf		15:21		 7:15
19. (19) Wattenscheid 09		12:18		 7:15
20. (20) Borussia M�nchengladbach	11:20		 6:16

Top Scorers
 7 T�nnies	(Duisburg) 


2. Bundesliga Nord	

FC St.Pauli - Eintracht Braunschweig	0:2

 1. BW90 Berlin		17:11	14: 8
 2. SV Meppen		16:12	13: 9
 ..
 6. FC St.Pauli		14:15	12:10
 ..
11. Braunschweig	13:20	 8:14


2. Bundesliga S�d

1860 M�nchen - FSV mainz 05		1:1

 1. FC Jena		15:11	15: 7
 2. Saarbr�cken		18:12	14: 8
 ..
 7. Mainz 05		13: 8	12:10
 8. 1860 M�nchen	11:12	 9:13


Heiko_

    
    1860 - Mainz 1:1
    
    Well, not much to report as it was a quite bad match. Mainz took the
    lead after the only 1860 defence mistake. Mainz made a good impression
    in midfield but couldn't create scoring possibilities. 
    
    1860 lacked the fighting spirit and was far too harmless. We suspected
    that the players were - just like us - on the Oktoberfest before. The
    ref gave us a penalty but the foul was clearly outside the box. Kneissl
    converted it perfectly and that was it. However the ref denied us
    another penalty during the first ten minutes when a lion player was
    fouled inside the box. So justice was done. 
    
    Mainz being the best away team of the Southern Bundesliga II deserved
    the point and remained ahead of 1860 in the table. Next Friday against
    Freiburg at home two points are a must. Attandance "only" 20,000.
    
    Servus
    G�nter 

Bundesliga 12th day	05/10/91

Duisburg		- Bochum		1:1
Dortmund		- N�rnberg		3:2
Karlsruhe		- Dresden		1:0
Wattenscheid		- Kaiserslautern	1:0
M�nchengladbach		- Hamburg		1:0
M�nchen			- Stuttgarter Kickers	1:4
Rostock			- D�sseldorf		3:1
Bremen			- Schalke		2:1
Leverkusen		- K�ln			1:1
VfB Stuttgart		- Frankfurt		1:2

 1. ( 1) Eintracht Frankfurt		30:14		17: 7
 2. ( 3) Bayer Leverkusen		14: 8		16: 8
 3. ( 2) VfB Stuttgart			20: 9		15: 9
 4. ( 4) Hamburger SV			13:12		14:10
 5. ( 6) MSV Duisburg			15:11		13: 9
 6. (11) Hansa Rostock			20:14		13:11
 7. (10) Werder Bremen			17:12		13:11
 8. ( 5) 1.FC Kaiserslautern		19:15		13:11
 9. (12) Borussia Dortmund		22:26		13:11
10. ( 7) 1.FC N�rnberg			19:17		12:12
11. ( 9) Schalke 04			17:18		12:12
12. ( 8) Bayern M�nchen			15:17		12:12
13. (13) Karlsruher SC			15:21		12:12
14. (14) Stuttgarter Kickers		18:17		11:11
15. (15) VfL Bochum			15:20		10:14
16. (16) 1.FC K�ln			12:18		10:14
17. (19) Wattenscheid 09		13:18		 9:15
18. (20) Borussia M�nchengladbach	12:20		 8:16
19. (17) Dynamo Dresden			 7:17		 8:16
20. (18) Fortuna D�sseldorf		16:24		 7:17

Top Scorers
 7 T�nnies	(Duisburg) 
   Chapuisat	(Dortmund)

2. Bundesliga Nord	

FC St.Pauli - Fortuna K�ln	2:0

 1. SV Meppen		18:13	15: 9
 2. Bayer Uerdingen	19:15	14:10
 ..
 5. FC St.Pauli		16:15	14:10
 ..
11. Fortuna K�ln	12:19	 9:15

2. Bundesliga S�d

1860 M�nchen - SC Freiburg		0:0

 1. Chemnitzer FC	12: 6	16: 8
 2. Waldh.Mannheim	16: 9	15: 9
 ..
 4. SC Freiburg		24:16	14:10
 ..
 9. 1860 M�nchen	11:12	10:14


Heiko_

    ...And 1FC Koln surprise us all yet again. :^)
    
    Barry.

    
    Tonight the UNICEF game between the world champion and a world
    selection - featuring Higuita, Gullit, van Basten etc. 
    
    The game starts at 20.00 in Munich, Olympiastadion. It is also
    televised on German TV.
    
    Anybody going?
    
    G�nter 

    can you list players ?

    
    I don't have a list but try to remember:
    
    World selection:
    Higuita, Goicoechea, Valderrama, van Basten, Gullit, Pele (from Ghana),
    Waddle, Ruggeri, Mozer, Stoichkov, Stoikovic, Weah, Armstrong, Skuhrvy,
    Kim-Ju-Sung, Zamurano
    
    Germany:
    Illgner, K�pcke, Brehme, Buchwald, Kohler, Reuter, Beiersdorfer,
    Matth�us, H��ler, M�ller, Bein, Doll, V�ller, Klinsmann
    
    Sorry if there are mistakes in spelling and the lists are not complete
    but didn't have a paper here. Riedle is obviously out for today and it
    looks like he will also be out for the Wales match. 
    
    G�nter

    
    (1)  BORING have sacked coach Jupp Heinckess, new coach announced is
    				
    		S�ren Lerby
    
    (2)	  World Selection	1 - 3 	Germany
    		Stoichkov 		Beiersdorfer
    					Effenberg
    					Thon		
    
    	Heiko
    

    
      Why do the Germans Boo Stefen Effenberg every time he gets the ball ?
    
    Overall it wasnt a bad game,and being completly biased....Chris Waddle
    was the best player on the pitch for the World 11.
    
    
    Dave...

    
    re: -2  Third goal was from Thom (not Thon); surely a typo
    re: -1  Do you understand what Effenberg says during interviews? If
            yes, you certainly can understand that this guy turns everybody
            against him. 
            
    The match wasn't bad but it wasn't either a brilliant football
    exhibition. It was just what I expected - a benefit match with the
    possibility to practice a bit. I thought Gullit was the best for the
    FIFA team. He was everywhere on the pitch and controlled the FIFA team.
    As for Waddle I hardly saw him touching a ball but he made at least one
    splendid cross. It was sad to see Klinsmann and Brehme going out
    because of injuries. Hopefully they will be back next week against
    Wales. 
    
    G�nter
    
    PS. Funniest thing of the match was when it started the S�dkurve
    shouted "Bayern, Bayern" and the rest of the stadium were booing and
    whistling them. 
    
    I want to add to that that I also don't like a player to be
    booed without having done a very severe foul or something else. The
    booing for Effenberg showed that he is not very liked in Germany.
    However, he is a good player and deserved a better treatment.

    
    Yesterday Stuttgarter Kickers and MSV Duisburg played a postponed
    match. This season promoted Duisburg won away at Stuttgart and is now
    on fourth place in the table.
    
    G�nter 

13th round:

Dresden - Werder       2:1 (15000)
Schalke - Rostock      5:0 (52000)
Bayern - Dortmund      0:3 (27000)
HSV - Wattenscheid     0:1 (18000)
K'lautern - Leverkusen 2:1 (31200)
K�ln - Duisburg        1:1 (18000)
Kickers - D�sseldorf   0:1 (5500)
Bochum - KSC           1:3 (11100)
N�rnberg - Stuttgart   4:3 (46000)
Frankfurt - M'gladbach 0:0 (33000)


 1. Frankfurt     30:14 18:8
 2. Duisburg      17:12 16:10
 3. Leverkusen    15:10 16:10
 4. Stuttgart     23:13 15:11
...
13. Bayern        15:20 12:14
...
20. M'gladbach    12:20  9:17

Though drawing at home against M'gladbach Frankfurt could strengthen their 
position and gained another point against the runners up as all these lost
their matches. Bayern took another home defeat and will have to face Stuttgart 
away the coming weekend. Duisburg is the surprise of the season. The newly 
promoted team with a fair amount of "oldies" playing are now second. Schalke
performed brilliantly at home and drew another biggest crowd of the day.

Second Bundesliga North:

K�ln - Meppen           3:3
Osnabr�ck - Hannover    0:1
Brandenburg - Remscheid 1:3
Braunschweig - Hertha   2:1
BW Berlin - Oldenburg   3:2
Uerdingen - St. Pauli   2:1

1. Meppen     21:16 16:10
2. Uerdingen  21:16 16:10
5. St. Pauli  17:17 14:12
12. Fortuna   15:22 10:16


Second Bundesliga South:

Erfurt - Homburg     3:3
Mainz - Halle        1:3
Freiburg - Chemnitz  4:0
Leipzig - 1860       2:3
Saarbr�cken - Jena   1:0
Darmstadt - Mannheim 0:0

1. Freiburg      26:16 16:10
2. Mannheim      16:9  16:10
8. 1860          14:14 12:14
12. Erfurt       12:38  4:22

First away win for the Lions. But there have been problems with the Leipzig 
hooligans. Warned before the match the local Lion fan clubs decided not to make 
the trip east. Some fifty Lion supporters had to be secured by police from the 
East hooligans. There is a huge violence "capacity" in the east and many 
Eastern sides seem to suffer from this. 
However, next match at home against Saarbr�cken should be an interesting one.

Ciao
G�nter

First Bundesliga 14th round:

Duisburg - Kaiserslautern  1:1 (21,000)
M'gladbach - N�rnberg      1:0 (18,500)
Werder - Bochum            3:0 (12,450)
Wattenscheid - Frankfurt   2:4 ( 7,000)
D�sseldorf - Schalke       1:1 (40,000 of which 30,000 were Schalke fans)
Rostock - Dresden          3:0 ( 9,000)
Karlsruhe - K�ln           0:1 (17,000)
Leverkusen - HSV           1:1 (13,800)
Stuttgart - Bayern         3:2 (62,300)
Dortmund - Kickers         3:1 (41,000)


 1. Frankfurt        34:16 20:8  
 2. Stuttgart        26:15 17:11
 3. Duisburg         18:13 17:11
 4. Leverkusen       16:11 17:11
 5. Dortmund         28:27 17:11
 6. Kaiserslautern   22:17 16:12
 7. Werder           21:14 15:13
 8. Schalke          23:19 15:13
 9. Rostock          23:20 15:13
10. HSV              14:14 15:13
11. N�rnberg         23:21 14:14
12. Karlsruher SC    18:23 14:14
13. K�ln             14:19 13:15
14. Bayern           17:23 12:16
15. Kickers          19:22 11:17
16. Wattenscheid     16:22 11:17
17. M�nchengladbach  13:20 11:17
18. D�sseldorf       18:25 10:18
19. Bochum           16:26 10:18
20. Dresden           9:21 10:18

Frankfurt still leading and impressing by skillfull atttacking football is now
three points ahead. Stuttgart won over Bayern in a South derby to be runners-up
to Frankfurt and sending Bayern on 14th place - only one point ahead of a 
relegation place. M�nchengladbach left the last place now with three points
out of four with the new coach Gelsdorf. Seems they are powerfull enough to 
gain midfield. A win in Bayern will do them well. (In contrast to the seventies
Bayern - Gladbach now a cellar derby (?)). K�ln won their first match since 
August.


Second Bundesliga North

St. Pauli - Osnabr�ck      0:0
Brandenburg - Braunschweig 1:4
Oldenburg - Remscheid      2:2
Hannover - BW Berlin       2:0
Hertha - K�ln              3:2
Meppen - Uerdingen         0:1

 1. Uerdingen  22:16 18:10
 2. Meppen     21:17 16:12
 6. St. Pauli  17:17 15:13
12. K�ln       17:25 10:18


Second Bundesliga South

Darmstadt - Erfurt    1:0
Jena - Mannheim       1:1
1860 - Saarbr�cken    0:0
Halle - Freiburg      1:1
Homburg - Mainz       2:1
Chemnitz - Leipzig    3:1


 1. Chemnitz  15:11 18:10
 2. Freiburg  29:17 17:11
 8. 1860      14:14 13:15
11. Leipzig   15:21 10:18
12. Erfurt    12:39  4:24

1860 remains unbeaten at home. Only 13,000 showed up because of ugly weather.
It was raining the whole match. Saarbr�cken performed very well up to the box
but was unable to open the score. The Lions had one big chance after a free 
kick that went onto the post and Schmidtbauer couldn't send home the rebound.
The guests were superior but the Lions fought back and therefore deserved the
point. The illness of several players could be an excuse for the bad midfield 
but the remaining home matches are to be won now. Next week Heisig will be back 
away against Mannheim but obviously Pingel will be out now for two weeks.

Servus
G�nter

    
    Huh, You are too quick for me ...
    
Top Scorers
 8 Eckstein	(N�rnberg)
   T�nnies	(Duisburg) 
   Chapuisat	(Dortmund)
   Walter	(Stuttgart)

Next Week (Bundesliga)
Fri:
Dresden-D�sseldorf, Bochum-Rostock, N�rnberg-Wattenscheid
Sat:
Dortmund-VfB Stuttgart, M�nchen-M�nchengladbach, Frankfurt-Leverkusen,
Hamburg-Duisburg, Kaiserslautern-Karlsruhe, K�ln-Bremen, 
Stuttgarter K.-Schalke

Heiko_

    
I've just read those interesting statistics on most goals etc.

Germany: (played 14)

Most Goals:	    Avr
Frankfurt   34	    2.42    1.Div
Freiburg    29	    2.07    2.Div S
Dortmund    28	    2.00    1.Div
Oldenburg   27	    1.93    2.Div N
Stuttgart   26	    1.87    1.Div

Most Intersting
	     F	 A   Avr
Dortmund    28	27  3.93    1.Div
Erfurt	    12	39  3.64    2.Div S
Frankfurt   34	16  3.57    1.Div
Oldenburg   27	22  3.50    2.Div N
Brandenburg 21	25  3.28    2.Div N

Heiko_

    
    Franz Beckenbauer and Karl-Heinz Rumenigge are going to accept a job
    within Bayern M�nchen in order to help the side to get out of the
    crisis.
    
    I hope it won't work too fast in the league.
    
    G�nter

    >Karl-Heinz Rumenigge 
    
    	This could mean relegation!
    
    	After 20 mins against Copenhagen score was 0-0, any updates?

    In my paper Beckenbauer was quoted as saying he had no time to spare
    for Bayern.
    
    ??
    
    �JF?

    Wow!!! What a shocker. What's with Bayern these days? I just got back
    to the office and while searching topic 7 for results I tought the
    6:2 score in Europe was somebody' idea of a joke. Forget coaching help
    from Beckenbauer and Rumminege (sp? on both). Give them jerseys and
    boots and insert them into the line-up, immediately. What a shame it
    would be if they were to be relegated. The Bundesliga wouldn't be the
    same without them.
    
    JC

    JC .. I said this -20 notes back... The Bayern players have zero
    commitment. If they do go out, lets hope TSV1860 make it!!!  

    
    JC,
    
    I'm sure Bayern won't be relegated. They have far too many above
    average players. 
    
    But it is nice to see them struggling. They are so nervous right now
    and totally lost their coolness. I'm convinced they will improve and
    probably end up under the top six teams. But they are usually so
    arrogant that many people enjoy their current state.
    
    However, I hope their crisis will last at least untill Saturday as
    Borussia comes to visit Bayern. But knowing the bad luck of Borussia
    Bayern will just recover on Saturday.
    
    BTW there are some important Bayern players back from injuries (Strunz,
    Thon). And I won't count them out already for the UEFA Cup. They have
    nothing to lose now and Bayern still is very dangerous. Well,
    Copenhagen must now be favourit to progress but I saw some bad defending of
    them although Bayern was that poor.
    
    G�nter
    
    PS  Funny singing from the Lions fans last weekend "Bayern it's nice to 
    meet you again!" 

Bundesliga 15th day	26/10/91

Dresden		    - D�sseldorf	2:0	(11,000)
Bochum		    - Rostock		3:2	( 7,000)
N�rnberg	    - Wattenscheid	3:1	(30,000)
Dortmund	    - VfB Stuttgart	0:0	(45,300)
M�nchen		    - M�nchengladbach	3:0	(36,000)
Frankfurt	    - Leverkusen	0:1	(33,000)
Hamburg		    - Duisburg		1:1	(21,240)
Kaiserslautern	    - Karlsruhe		3:0	(36,149)
K�ln		    - Bremen		5:0	(19,000)
Stuttgarter Kickers - Schalke		1:1	(12,000)


 1. ( 1) Eintracht Frankfurt		34:17		20:10
 2. ( 4) Bayer Leverkusen		17:11		19:11
 3. ( 2) VfB Stuttgart			26:15		18:12
 4. ( 6) 1.FC Kaiserslautern		25:17		18:12 
 5. ( 3) MSV Duisburg			19:14		18:12
 6. ( 5) Borussia Dortmund		28:27		18:12
 7. (11) 1.FC N�rnberg			26:22		16:14
 8. ( 8) Schalke 04			24:20		16:14
 9. (10) Hamburger SV			15:15		16:14
10. ( 9) Hansa Rostock			25:23		15:15
11. ( 7) Werder Bremen			21:19		15:15
12. (13) 1.FC K�ln			19:19		15:15
13. (14) Bayern M�nchen			20:23		14:16
14. (12) Karlsruher SC			18:26		14:16
15. (15) Stuttgarter Kickers		20:23		12:18
16. (19) VfL Bochum			19:28		12:18
17. (20) Dynamo Dresden			11:21		12:18
18. (16) Wattenscheid 09		17:25		11:19
19. (17) Borussia M�nchengladbach	13:23		11:19
20. (18) Fortuna D�sseldorf		18:27		10:20

Top Scorers
 9 Banach	(K�ln)
   Eckstein	(N�rnberg)
 8 T�nnies	(Duisburg) 
   Chapuisat	(Dortmund)
   Walter	(Stuttgart)
   Spies	(Rostock)


2. Bundesliga Nord	

BW 90 Berlin	-	FC St.Pauli	1:5

 1. Bayer Uerdingen	23:16	20:10
 2. SV Meppen		24:18	18:12
 3. FC St.Pauli		22:18	17:13

2. Bundesliga S�d

Waldhof Mannheim   -	1860 M�nchen	0:0

 1. Saarbr�cken		23:15	19:11
 2. SC Freiburg		29:17	18:12
 ..
 7. 1860 M�nchen	14:14	14:16


Heiko_

    
    First quarter final for the German Cup was played yesterday. Three
    others to follow.
    
    Borussia M�nchengladbach - Stuttgarter Kickers  2:0
    
    Hannover 96 - Karlsruher SC            (to be played today)
    Bayer Leverkusen - VfB Stuttgart       (to be played today)
    
    Werder Bremen - 1. FC Kaiserslautern   (to be played on December 3rd)
    
    G�nter

    
    Hannover 96 - KSC          1:0  (30,000)
    Leverkusen - VfB Stuttgart 1:0 after extra time (10,000)
    
    Great atmosphere in Hannover where the locals reached for the first
    time a German Cup semifinal. Hannover was the only second division side
    in the quarterfinals and remains the only one for the next round.
    Kuhlmey scored after a great solo.
    
    Just in contrast in Leverkusen was no atmosphere. The local
    "enterprise" side have not many friends and the (nice) stadium rarely
    witnesses some kind of football atmosphere. The game was decided in
    extra time by an own goal from Buchwald who was ironically one of the 
    better players on the pitch. The ref did not give a clear penalty to
    Stuttgart within normal time when a Leverkusen defender "handled" the
    ball clearly in the box.
    
    G�nter

Bundesliga 16th day	02/11/91

Duisburg	- Frankfurt		3:6
Wattenscheid	- M�nchen		0:0
Bremen		- Kaiserslautern	0:2
M�nchengladbach - Dortmund		1:1
Schalke		- Dresden		1:1
D�sseldorf	- Bochum		3:0
Rostock		- K�ln			1:1
Karlsruhe	- Hamburg		4:1
Leverkusen	- N�rnberg		0:1
Stuttgart (VfB)	- Stuttgart (Kickers)	3:1


 1. ( 1) Eintracht Frankfurt		40:20		22:10
 2. ( 3) VfB Stuttgart			29:16		20:12
 3. ( 4) 1.FC Kaiserslautern		27:17		20:12 
 4. ( 2) Bayer Leverkusen		17:12		19:13
 5. ( 6) Borussia Dortmund		29:28		19:13
 6. ( 7 1.FC N�rnberg			27:22		18:14
 7. ( 5) MSV Duisburg			22:20		18:14
 8. ( 8) Schalke 04			25:21		17:15
 9. (10) Hansa Rostock			26:24		16:16
10. (12) 1.FC K�ln			20:20		16:16
11. ( 9) Hamburger SV			16:19		16:16
12. (14) Karlsruher SC			22:27		16:16
13. (11) Werder Bremen			21:21		15:17
14. (13) Bayern M�nchen			20:23		15:17
15. (17) Dynamo Dresden			12:22		13:19
16. (15) Stuttgarter Kickers		21:26		12:20
17. (20) Fortuna D�sseldorf		21:27		12:20
18. (18) Wattenscheid 09		17:25		12:20
19. (19) Borussia M�nchengladbach	14:24		12:20
20. (16) VfL Bochum			19:31		12:20

Top Scorers
 9 Banach	(K�ln)
   Eckstein	(N�rnberg)
   T�nnies	(Duisburg) 
   Chapuisat	(Dortmund)
   Walter	(Stuttgart)
   Sch�tterle	(Karlsruhe)	
   Sippel	(Frankfurt)

2. Bundesliga Nord	

FC St.Pauli	- FC Remscheid	2:1

 1. Bayer Uerdingen	24:17	21:11
 2. SV Meppen		26:19	20:12
 3. FC St.Pauli		24:19	19:13

2. Bundesliga S�d

1860 M�nchen	- FC Jena	0:0

 1. Homburg		24:15	20:12
 2. SC Freiburg		21:19	19:13
 ..
 8. 1860 M�nchen	14:14	15:17


Heiko_

    
    Excellent match in Duisburg where Frankfurt continued their great
    football gala. It was Duisburg's first defeat at home and Duisburg also
    played well. But Eintracht was simply too good. They play attractive
    offensive minded football on a high skillfull level. Great goals also
    and how often do you see nine goals in a match between the first and
    the fifth (the away team scoring six of them)?
    
    In this form there is no question who is gonna be the next German
    champion. But then Eintracht is famous for inconsistency. I hope they
    go on this way and perform this kind of entertaining football that all
    spectators like to watch. It's now time for a Hessian champion!
    
    G�nter

    Right on G�nther, good to see the first 3 places occupied by teams who
    play attractive football, Stuttgart and Kaiserslautern are 2nd and 3rd.
    
    	Steve

    I saw the Duisburg-Eintracht game live on Sky on Fri night - a great
    game !
    
    jb.

    
    
    More bad luck for Bayern??? I read in todays paper that Soren Lerby
    is in trouble with Amsterdam's tax authorities for tax evasion during 
    his time with Ajax. They are suggesting that he be locked up for 10
    months.

Bundesliga 17th day	09/11/91


Dortmund		- Wattenscheid		1:1
N�rnberg		- Duisburg		1:1
Bochum			- Schalke		1:0
Dresden			- Stuttgarter Kickers	2:2
M�nchen			- Leverkusen		2:2
Frankfurt		- Karlsruhe		1:1
Kaiserslautern		- Rostock		3:0
K�ln			- D�sseldorf		4:1
VfB Stuttgart		- M�nchengladbach	0:1
Hamburg			- Bremen		0:1


 1. ( 1) Eintracht Frankfurt		41:21		23:11
 2. ( 3) 1.FC Kaiserslautern		30:17		22:12 
 3. ( 4) VfB Stuttgart			29:17		20:14
 4. ( 4) Bayer Leverkusen		19:14		20:14
 5. ( 5) Borussia Dortmund		30:29		19:15
 6. ( 6) 1.FC N�rnberg			28:23		19:15
 7. ( 7) MSV Duisburg			23:21		19:15
 8. (10) 1.FC K�ln			24:21		18:16
 9. ( 8) Schalke 04			25:23		17:17
10. (13) Werder Bremen			22:21		17:17
11. (12) Karlsruher SC			23:28		17:17
12. ( 9) Hansa Rostock			26:27		16:18
13. (14) Bayern M�nchen			22:25		16:18
14. (11) Hamburger SV			16:20		16:18
15. (19) Borussia M�nchengladbach	15:24		14:20
16. (15) Dynamo Dresden			14:24		14:20
17. (20) VfL Bochum			20:31		14:20
18. (16) Stuttgarter Kickers		23:28		13:21
19. (18) Wattenscheid 09		18:26		13:21
20. (17) Fortuna D�sseldorf		22:31		12:22

Top Scorers
 10 Banach	(K�ln)
    Chapuisat	(Dortmund)

2. Bundesliga Nord	

VfB Oldenburg		- FC St.Pauli	1:1

 1. Bayer Uerdingen	28:17	23:11
 2. SV Meppen		26:19	20:12
 3. FC St.Pauli		25:20	20:14

2. Bundesliga S�d

1860 M�nchen		- Darmstadt 98	0:2

 1. SC Freiburg		33:19	21:13
 2. Mannheim		20:10	21:13
 ..
 8. 1860 M�nchen	14:16	15:19


Heiko_

    Last nights live game was especially picked for all in insomniacs in
    Germany to enable them to get a good nights sleep. Hamburg 0 Bremen 1.
    Yawn!
    
    Kaiserslautern played superbly again, and look a good bet to retain the
    championship. Frankfurt scrambled a late equaliser against KSC, and
    Bayern? They were 2 up at half-time and cruising, but gave up in the
    2nd half and Leverkusen got a point. 
    
    		Steve

A big shock for German Football !!!

Yesterday morning 24-year old striker of 1.FC Cologne, Maurice Banach, 
was killed in a car accident on the Cologne - Wuppertal Autobahn on his
way to training.

He leaves behind his wife and 2 sons, aged 3 years and 5 months.

According to the police a front tyre burst and the car crashed into the
pier of a bridge, where it burnt out completely. Banach was immediately
dead after the impact.

Maurice Banach was a very talented striker, scoring 10 goals this season.
In his current form he would have been on his way to get nominated for
the national team.

A minute of silence is said to be held at the EC qualification match between
Belgium and Germany on Wednesday.

My condolences to his wife and children.

Eduard :-( :-( :-(

Bundesliga 18th day	16/11/91

Duisburg	- M�nchen		1:1
Wattenscheid	- VfB Stuttgart		1:3
Bremen		- Frankfurt		1:0
Dresden		- Bochum		0:0
Schalke		- K�ln			3:0
D�sseldorf	- Kaiserslautern	1:0
Rostock		- Hamburg		1:2
Karlsruhe	- N�rnberg		1:0
Leverkusen	- Dortmund		0:2
Stuttgarter K.	- M�nchengladbach	3:0


 1. ( 1) Eintracht Frankfurt		41:22		23:13
 2. ( 3) VfB Stuttgart			32:18		22:14
 3. ( 2) 1.FC Kaiserslautern		30:18		22:14
 4. ( 5) Borussia Dortmund		32:29		21:15
 5. ( 4) Bayer Leverkusen		19:16		20:16
 6. ( 7) MSV Duisburg			24:22		20:16
 7. ( 9) Schalke 04			28:23		19:17
 8. ( 6) 1.FC N�rnberg			28:24		19:17
 9. (10) Werder Bremen			23:21		19:17
10. (11) Karlsruher SC			24:28		19:17
11. ( 8) 1.FC K�ln			24:24		18:18
12. (14) Hamburger SV			18:21		18:18
13. (13) Bayern M�nchen			23:26		17:19
14. (12) Hansa Rostock			27:29		16:20
15. (18) Stuttgarter Kickers		26:28		15:21
16. (16) Dynamo Dresden			14:24		15:21
17. (17) VfL Bochum			20:31		15:21
18. (20) Fortuna D�sseldorf		23:31		14:22
19. (15) Borussia M�nchengladbach	15:27		14:22
20. (19) Wattenscheid 09		19:29		13:23

Top Scorers
 11 Chapuisat	(Dortmund)
 10 Banach (+)	(K�ln)		Died on Sunday morning	

2. Bundesliga Nord	

FC St.Pauli	-	Hannover 96	0:0

 1. Bayer Uerdingen	31:17	25:11
 2. SV Meppen		27:20	21:13
 ..
 4. FC St.Pauli		25:20	21:15

2. Bundesliga S�d

Chemnitz	- 1860 M�nchen		4:0

 1. SC Freiburg		36:20	23:13
 2. Saarbr�cken		31:19	23:13
 ..
 8. 1860 M�nchen	14:20	15:21


Heiko_

    Does anybody know anything about a bid from Bayern Munchen
    on Dutch international Jan Wouters???
    
    Rob

Rob,
	I read in todays paper that he has gone to Bayern Munchen rather than
Arsenal for 1 million. He's 31 years old, so perhaps its wasn't a bad thing
that he didnt come to us.



	Mick

    Exactly, a 31 year old Donkey. Sounds like a typical Bayern signing.

               <<< Note 19.65 by CURRNT::PAGED "Terry Waited" >>>

>>    Exactly, a 31 year old Donkey. Sounds like a typical Bayern signing.

Loads a bullshit you are talking man! Bayern made a good deal by buying him,
being 31 doesn't mean you are over the hill, he still is a Dutch international
and one of the leader in the national team!

T_

    
    	So there. Nur.
    
    	That told him, Ton 8-)

    Is it just me or are we having an extraordinary day in Football notes?
    Cunno on the offensive (literally), battle of the Scousers on the
    Liverpool note, the Arsenal note is turning into an beer convention,
    and now this. Loving every minute. 
    
    Barry.

    Reply: 19.65 "Old Donky"
    
    On what facts is critisism on Jan Wouters based. Have you seen him
    play recently??? By my knowledge Jan is still one of the best Dutch
    football players. In fact I think he even improved the last few years,
    he can really lead a team and younger players can learn a lot from him.

    I am not disputing the fact that Wouters is a bad player. He was one
    of the best. But at 31 he must be over the hill and ready for
    retirement. Ergo, a waste of money if Bayern are trying to strengthen
    a team that they have already spent millions of marks creating... Hee haw !!

    I haven't seen Bayern Munich in a complete game this season, maybe Sky
    will show a Friday Night Bundesliga game featuring them. Bayern Munich
    are not my favourite German club, as they cheated Leeds United out of
    the European Cup in 1975. Seeing them in the predicament they are in at
    the moment gives a better feeling than them at the top.
    
    They're a bit like Liverpool - in decline.
    
    jb.

    Having spent the past 4 seasons watching Bayern at close quarters
    (I lived there) I can quite catagorically state:
    
    That they are shite. 

               <<< Note 19.70 by CURRNT::PAGED "Terry Waited" >>>
                            -< Passing the Dutchy >-

>>    I am not disputing the fact that Wouters is a bad player. He was one
>>    of the best. But at 31 he must be over the hill and ready for
>>    retirement. Ergo, a waste of money if Bayern are trying to strengthen
>>    a team that they have already spent millions of marks creating... Hee haw !!

I still think you talk crap! The reason is simply I've seen Jan Wouters
playing for years from his time at FC Utrecht till his Ajax and international
time. He is not over the hill and still can drag a team into winning a match.
Bayern did well by buying him, he will lead the young players to the right
way and that up!!!!

T_

    This man Wouters will have to have the power of the Wizard of OZ
    to make any changes at Bayern this year. My bet is that he will
    quickly lose his mythical ability to lead when he's forced to
    play the way Bayern do.

    Does anybody know the results of the German league??? Did 
    Jan Wouters already play for Bayern Munchen???

  <<< Note 19.75 by BONNET::ZIJL "I think I can, I think I can,.....,I did" >>>

>>    Does anybody know the results of the German league??? Did 
>>    Jan Wouters already play for Bayern Munchen???

He played and Munich won lucky, 1-0. 

T_

    There is no more live Bundesliga football on Sky Sports on a Friday
    night, the niggardly and spiteful Irish FA have complained it clashes
    with an Irish League match between Ballybunion Athletic and Bog of
    Allen Rovers, watched by 400 fans, 2 sheep and Paddy McGinty's goat.
    
    (I think it's sour grapes to get back at England)
    
    Ne-ne-der-ner-ner.
    
    jb.

Bundesliga 19th day	23/11/91

Bochum		- Stuttgarter Kickers	2:2
M�nchengladbach	- Wattenscheid		1:0
Dortmund	- Duisburg		2:1
M�nchen		- Karlsruhe		1:0
N�rnberg	- Bremen		1:0
Frankfurt	- Rostock		2:0
Hamburg		- D�sseldorf		1:1
Kaiserslautern	- Schalke		1:1
VfB Stuttgart	- Leverkusen		2:0
K�ln		- Dresden		pp	10.12.

 1. ( 1) Eintracht Frankfurt		43:22		25:13
 2. ( 2) VfB Stuttgart			34:18		24:14
 3. ( 4) Borussia Dortmund		34:30		24:14
 4. ( 3) 1.FC Kaiserslautern		32:19		23:15
 5. ( 8) 1. FC N�rnberg			29:24		21:17
 6. ( 7) Schalke 04			29:23		20:18
 7. ( 6) MSV Duisburg			25:24		20:18
 8. ( 5) Bayer Leverkusen		19:18		20:18
 9. ( 9) Werder Bremen			23:22		19:19
10. (13) Bayern M�nchen			24:26		19:19
11. (12) Hamburger SV			19:22		19:19
12. (10) Karlsruher SC			24:29		19:19
13. (11) 1.FC K�ln			24:24		18:18
14. (15) Stuttgarter Kickers		28:30		16:22
15. (14) Hansa Rostock			27:31		16:22
16. (17) VfL Bochum			22:33		16:22
17. (19) Borussia M�nchengladbach	16:27		16:22
18. (16) Dynamo Dresden			14:24		15:21
19. (18) Fortuna D�sseldorf		24:32		15:23
20. (20) Wattenscheid 09		19:30		13:25
Top Scorers

 11 Chapuisat	(Dortmund)
    Walter	(VfB Stuttgart)
 10 Banach (+)	(K�ln)	
    T�nnies	(Duisburg)

2. Bundesliga Nord	

FC St.Pauli	-	Brandenburg	2:2

 1. Bayer Uerdingen	32:20	25:13
 2. SV Meppen		29:22	23:15
 ..
 4. FC St.Pauli		27:22	22:16

2. Bundesliga S�d

1860 M�nchen	- Hallescher FC		1:1

 1. SC Freiburg		39:23	24:14
 2. Saarbr�cken		32:20	24:14
 ..
10. 1860 M�nchen	15:21	16:22


Heiko_

    
Bundesliga 20th day	30/11/91

Dortmund	- Karlsruhe		1:0
M�nchengladbach	- Leverkusen		2:2
Wattenscheid	- Stuttgarter Kickers	4:1
K�ln		- Bochum		1:0
VfB Stuttgart	- MSV Duisburg		2:0
Kaiserslautern	- Dresden		4:1
Hamburg		- Schalke		2:1
Frankfurt	- D�sseldorf		1:1
N�rnberg	- Rostock		0:0
M�nchen		- Bremen		3:4

 1. ( 1) Eintracht Frankfurt		44:23		26:14
 2. ( 2) VfB Stuttgart			36:18		26:14
 3. ( 3) Borussia Dortmund		35:30		26:14
 4. ( 4) 1.FC Kaiserslautern		35:20		25:15
 5. ( 5) 1. FC N�rnberg			29:24		22:18
 6. ( 9) Werder Bremen			27:25		21:19
 7. ( 8) Bayer Leverkusen		21:20		21:19
 8. (11) Hamburger SV			21:23		21:19
 9. (13) 1.FC K�ln			25:24		20:18
10. ( 6) Schalke 04			30:25		20:20
11. ( 7) MSV Duisburg			25:26		20:20
12. (10) Bayern M�nchen			27:30		19:21
13. (12) Karlsruher SC			24:30		19:21
14. (15) Hansa Rostock			27:31		17:23
15. (17) Borussia M�nchengladbach	18:29		17:23
16. (14) Stuttgarter Kickers		29:34		16:24
17. (19) Fortuna D�sseldorf		25:33		16:24
17. (16) VfL Bochum			22:34		16:24
19. (18) Dynamo Dresden			15:28		15:23
20. (20) Wattenscheid 09		23:31		15:25

Top Scorers
 11 Chapuisat	(Dortmund)
    Walter	(VfB Stuttgart)
 10 Banach (+)	(K�ln)	
    T�nnies	(Duisburg)

2. Bundesliga Nord	

SV Meppen	- FC St.Pauli	0:0

 1. Bayer Uerdingen	34:20	27:13
 2. SV Meppen		29:22	24:16
 ..
 4. FC St.Pauli		27:22	23:17

2. Bundesliga S�d

FC Homburg	- 1860 M�nchen 0:0

 1. SC Freiburg		40:23	26:14
 2. Chemnitz		24:16	25:15
 ..
10. 1860 M�nchen	15:21	17:23


Heiko_


 

    
    Last DFB-Cup Quarterfinal's match
    
    Werder Bremen	- 1.FC Kaiserslautern	2:0
    
    Semi-Final	(to be played 8/9 Apr. 92)
    
    Borussia M�nchengladbach	- Bayer Leverkusen
    Hannover 96			- Werder Bremen
    
    Heiko
    

    Any results from the German League this week?
    
    Rob

    I usually come in at 9:00 !
    
    

    Sorry just curious

Bundesliga 21st day	 7/12/91

Schalke		- Frankfurt		1:1
Bremen		- Dortmund		0:1
D�sseldorf	- N�rnberg		1:2
Leverkusen	- Wattenscheid		6:1
Rostock		- N�rnberg		2:1	*
Dresden		- Hamburg		3:0
Bochum		- Kaiserslautern	0:0
Stuttgarter K.	- K�ln			0:3
Karlsruhe	- VfB Stuttgart		0:0
Duisburg	- M�nchengladbach	1:1

 1. ( 3) Borussia Dortmund		36:30		28:14
 2. ( 1) Eintracht Frankfurt		45:24		27:15
 3. ( 2) VfB Stuttgart			36:18		27:15
 4. ( 4) 1.FC Kaiserslautern		35:20		26:16
 5. ( 5) 1. FC N�rnberg			31:25		24:18
 6. ( 7) Bayer Leverkusen		27:21		23:19
 7. ( 9) 1.FC K�ln			28:24		22:18
 8. (10) Schalke 04			31:26		21:21
 9. ( 6) Werder Bremen			27:26		21:21
10. (11) MSV Duisburg			26:27		21:21
11. ( 8) Hamburger SV			21:26		21:21
12. (13) Karlsruher SC			24:30		20:22
13. (14) Hansa Rostock			29:32		19:23
14. (12) Bayern M�nchen			28:32		19:23
15. (15) Borussia M�nchengladbach	19:30		18:24
16. (19) Dynamo Dresden			18:28		17:23
17. (18) VfL Bochum			22:34		17:25
18. (16) Stuttgarter Kickers		29:37		16:26
19. (17) Fortuna D�sseldorf		26:35		16:26
20. (20) Wattenscheid 09		24:37		15:27


(*)  Referee was knocked out and consciousless for 2 min after 
     being hit by a free-kick of Andr� Golke (former FC St.Pauli) 
     of N�rnberg.
     Ol�.

Top Scorers
 11 Chapuisat	(Dortmund)
    Walter	(VfB Stuttgart)

2. Bundesliga Nord	

FC St.Pauli	-	Hertha BSC	1:0

 1. Bayer Uerdingen	35:21	28:14
 2. SV Meppen		30:23	25:17
 3. FC St.Pauli		28:22	25:17

2. Bundesliga S�d

1860 M�nchen	-	RW Erfurt	3:0

 1. FC Jena		28:20	27:15
 2. SC Freiburg		40:25	26:16
 ..
 8. 1860 M�nchen	18:21	19:23


Heiko_


 

    When does the Bundersliga "hibernate" for the winter then?
    
    Barry.

    
    One more round is to be played next weekend, then they'll start again
    in February (I think).
    
    Heiko
    

    
    Bundesliga match postponed :
    
    1.FC K�ln	- Dynamo Dresden	1:1
    
    K�ln was the far stronger side, but lacking ideas to break Dresden's
    defense. 
    
    UEFA Cup
    
    Sigma Olomouc	- Hamburger SV	4:1	(6:2 on agg)
    
    Very strong and technically skilled czechoslovakian team! They're good
    for a surprise in the next round.
    
    Heiko
    

    
Bundesliga 22nd day	 14/12/91

Hamburg		- Bochum		0:0
Dortmund	- Rostock		4:1
M�nchengladbach	- Karlsruhe		1:0
Frankfurt	- Dresden		3:0
N�rnberg	- Schalke		0:1
M�nchen		- D�sseldorf		3:1
VfB Stuttgart	- Bremen		1:1
Wattenscheid	- Duisburg		2:0
Kaiserslautern	- K�ln			2:1
Leverkusen	- Stuttgarter Kickers	3:1

 1. ( 1) Borussia Dortmund		40:31		30:14
 2. ( 2) Eintracht Frankfurt		48:24		29:15
 3. ( 3) VfB Stuttgart			37:19		28:16
 4. ( 4) 1.FC Kaiserslautern		37:21		28:16
 5. ( 6) Bayer Leverkusen		30:22		25:19
 6. ( 5) 1.FC N�rnberg			31:26		24:20
 7. ( 8) Schalke 04			32:26		23:21
 8. ( 7) 1.FC K�ln			30:27		23:21
 9. ( 9) Werder Bremen			28:27		22:22
10. (11) Hamburger SV			21:26		22:22
11. (14) Bayern M�nchen			31:33		21:23
12. (10) MSV Duisburg			26:29		21:23
13. (12) Karlsruher SC			24:31		20:24
14. (15) Borussia M�nchengladbach	20:30		20:24
15. (13) Hansa Rostock			30:36		19:25
16. (17) VfL Bochum			22:34		18:26
17. (16) Dynamo Dresden			19:32		18:26
18. (20) Wattenscheid 09		26:37		17:27
19. (18) Stuttgarter Kickers		30:40		16:28
20. (19) Fortuna D�sseldorf		27:38		16:28

**************************************************************

Final League Standings @.Bundesliga

The Top 6 of each league will platy a promotion round, one team getting
up from each legaue. Points and scores so far will be maintained.

The bottom 6 will play a relegation round, with 4 teams going down. 

2. Bundesliga Nord	

Braunschweig	-	FC St.Pauli	3:2

 1. Bayer Uerdingen	35:21	29:15
 2. Hannocver 96	25:21	28:16
 3. SV Meppen		30:25	25:19
 4. FC St.Pauli		30:25	25:19
 5. VfB Oldenburg	38:32	23:21
 6. Hertha BSC		30:26	23:21
 7. FC Remscheid	30:28	22:22
 8. VfL Osnabr�ck	32:34	22:22
 9. Eintr.Braunschweig	35:37	21:23
10. BW 90 Berlin	29:37	20:24
11. SSV Brandenburg	28:37	16:28
12. Fortuna K�ln	22:41	12:32


2. Bundesliga S�d

FSV Mainz 05	- 1860 M�nchen	3:1

 1. SC Freiburg		41:25	28:16
 2. FC Saarbr�cken	38:24	27:17
 3. Carl Zeiss Jena	28:21	27:17
 4. Waldhof Mannheim	27:17	26:18
 5. Chemnitzer FC	26:19	26:18
 6. FC Homburg		27:22	24:20
 7. FSV Mainz 05	29:25	21:23
 8. Hallescher FC	27:32	20:24
 9. VfB Leipzig		29:33	19:25
10. 1860 M�nchen	19:24	19:25
11. Darmstadt 98	26:36	19:25
12. Rot Weiss Erfurt	21:60	 8:36


Heiko_


 

    How's Jan Wouters doing at Bayern???
    
    Rob

                       <<< Note 19.89 by ULYSSE::LORD >>>
                              -< Jan Wouters??? >-

>>    How's Jan Wouters doing at Bayern???
    
>>    Rob

Rob,

I think he is doing ok, as he scored this weekend!!!

T_

    Indeed he did and I was there to witness it. The best goal of a game
    that was, at best, lousy. A typical Bayern performance. They are the
    Luton Town of the Bundesliga !

    Nice to know I'm not the only one at DIGITAL's whose heart belongs to
    FC St.Pauli (though I live at Cologne for some years).
    
    Does anybody know yet the timetable of the promo round for the
    2.Bundesliga Nord (especially the dates of the matches against
    Uerdingen and Hannover - Meppen doesn't bother me too much) ?
    
    It would be tragic if the most boring team of the whole league
    would succeed over my favourite - at Uerdingen you can't even take
    a can of beer into the stadium without being picked by the police 
    (I know what I'm talking about).
    
    Tor - Tor - MILLERNTOR!!
    
    Rainer

    Hi Rainer,
    
    nice to have another St.Paulianer in here. It really is the only team
    to support in the Bundesliga - waiting until TuS Hoisdorf or 
    G�ttingen 05 will make it :-).
    
    Actually I hardly ever go to the matches, I am a newspaper and TV
    supporter only, mostly because I used to have (and will have, when my
    feet/ancles (? Gelenke) are cured) Handball matches on Saturday.
    
    But remember ...
     You'll never walk alone, St.Pauli
    
    Heiko
    
    

    Hi Gerd,
    
    great to know that so many St.Pauli-supporters are tuned to this
    conference. As I mentioned before (->10.113) we'll grow to football
    team size on our own soon (just wait until autumn  when we're back in
    1st division)!
    
    See you in the "Bunker Curve" of Millerntor Stadium,
    Rainer

    Are the German football players in their wintersleep
    
    Rob

    yes, they stat up again on 8 Feb (no doubt whwn the snow is deep and
    crisp and even !). Bayern Munich are playing Leeds United on Wednersday
    in a friendly game.
    
    jb.

    Hope it's friendlier than the last one, crowd wise ;^). Were'nt Leeds on 
    the wrong end of some dubious refereeing decisions that fateful Paris 
    night?
    
    Barry.

    
    Re last
    
    Barry,
    I thought it was on the wrong end crowd behaviour like?
    
    G�nter

    Leeds had a perfectly good goal disallowed, and Bayern got away with
    lots of fouls and cheating. The referee never took charge of an
    important match again.'We wuz robbed'.
    
    There were (inexcusable) riots - but there was a near riot at every game
    in the Football League at the time.
    
    jb.

    
    Funny how memories are selective;
    
    I only remember that game because the Swedish international Bj�rn
    Andersson got carried off after two minutes following a deliberate foul
    by Terry Yorath.
    
    He never played football again.

    
    I know, this has actually only very few to do with football but
    Torsten G�tschow (Dynamo Dresden), former East German international,
    has declared he worked as a spy for STASI. So did their doc Mr Klein.
    
    G�nter

    How did the German league come out of it's wintersleep, and if they
    did, how did Jan Wouters (Bayern) play???
    
    Thanks,
    
    Rob
    

    
    The German league starts coming weekend. No news about Wouters so far.
    
    G�nter

KSC - Wattenscheid    1:2
Dresden - N�rnberg    1:2
Bochum - Frankfurt    0:0
Werder - Gladbach     0:0
K�ln - HSV            0:0
Schalke - Bayern      1:1
D'dorf - Dortmund     1:1
Kickers - K'lautern   1:1
Rostock - Stuttgart   2:0
Duisburg - Leverkusen 1:2


1. Dortmund   41:32 31:15
2. Frankfurt  48:24 30:16
3. K'lautern  38:22 29:17
4. Stuttgart  37:21 28:18

G�nter

    I saw Bochum - Frankfurt on Friday night (Sky) - not too bad, but not a
    lot of goal action.
    
    Who plays on a Friday night, could anyone post a Friday Night fixture
    list in here for the rest of the season ?
    
    jb.

    
    
    jb,
    
    I'll try to find a fixture list for Friday nights. But this might take
    a bit of time.
    
    G�nter

    
Results and table	24th day (Feb, 15th)

Duisburg	- Stuttgarter Kickers	1:1
N�rnberg	- Bochum		1:0
Wattenscheid	- Bremen		0:1
M�nchen		- Dresden		1:2
Dortmund	- Schalke		2:0
VfB Stuttgart	- D�sseldorf		3:1
M�nchengladbach	- Rostock		1:1
Leverkusen	- Karlsruhe		2:0
Frankfurt	- K�ln			1:2
Hamburg		- Kaiserslautern	0:1


 1. Borussia Dortmund		43:32	33:15
 2. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		39:22	31:17
 3. Eintracht Frankfurt		49:26	30:18
 4. VfB Stuttgart		40:22	30:18
 5. Bayer 04 Leverkusen		34:23	29:19
 6. 1.FC N�rnberg		34:27	28:20
 7. 1.FC K�ln			32:28	26:22
 8. Werder Bremen		29:27	25:23
 9. Schalke 04			33:29	24:24
10. Hamburger SV		21:27	23:25
11. Bayern M�nchen		33:36	22:26
12. Hansa Rostock		33:37	22:26
13. MSV Duisburg		28:32	22:26
14. Borussia M�nchengladbach	21:31	22:26
15. Karlsruher SC		25:35	20:28
16. Dynamo Dresden		22:35	20:28
17. Wattenscheid 09		28:39	19:29
18. VfL Bochum			22:35	19:29
19. Stuttgart Kickers		32:42	18:30
20. Fortuna D�sseldorf		29:42	17:31

Top Scorers:

13	Walter		(VfB Stuttgart)
12	Chapuisat	(Bor. Dortmund)
11	Spies		(Hansa Rostock)


Heiko

    
    I know somebody asked for the friday night schedule. I couldn't find
    one so far. But this Friday following matches will be played:
    
    Karlsruhe - Duisburg
    Werder Bremen - Leverkusen
    
    Today the big match to avoid relegation ;=)
    
    Bochum - Bayern (live on Rtl, kick off at 19��)
    
    G�nter                                                      

    
       VfL Bochum - Bayern M�nchen
               0  -  5
    
    			Wohlfahrt (3)
    			Ziege (2)
    
    All I read in the newspaper was, that it was a truly good Bayern
    performing, with Bender and Berthold not even on the bench.
    Lerby has obviously saved his seat for another 2 weeks :-).
    Osieck has not.
    
    Heiko
    

Dear football fans,

it's time to say good-bye as I'm leaving the company next Thursday (still 
some days left for the conference).

I enjoyed this conference a lot and want to thank you all for your 
contributions. I never had the possibility before to exchange views on 
football with so many people supporting different teams. I learnt a lot 
about football in other countries and their leagues. 

I especially enjoyed Italia '90 in this notes file and will certainly miss it
for the coming EC '92 and WC '94. 

Good luck to you all and long live football

G�nter

PS  Perhaps we meet by chance at one of the next football events.

                     <<< Note 19.111 by RTOIC::GGAUGLER >>>
                             -< Auf Wiedersehen! >-


Gunter,

all the best for you in the future and maybe we'll meet when
Germany plays Holland (Dutch win ofcourse :-) :-))


T_

    Cheerio Gunter. Looks like I'll have to find another source of 
    fixtures for the Westfalen (sp?) region this summer. :^)
    
    Good luck,
    
    Barry.  

    
    good luck, Gunther!
    Ian.
    

    Good luck outside Digital, Gunther.
    
    jb.

All the best, G�nter, thanks for all your help. Shame you won't be around when 
England finally do beat Germany (though how many of us will?)

grahame

    Good Luck Gunter (cant make the two little dots on the U!). I'm off
    too end of next week (but it happens to me every few months so its
    no big deal). Worse part is the 'notes withdrawal', apparently you
    can now get a patch from your doctor to stick on your arm, it slowly
    releases measured amounts of "Essence of Cunno" which, when absorbed
    through the skin induce a state of euphoria, almost Aldo-like.
    
    Tono

    Good luck Gunter, are you a victim of the announcements over the last
    few days or is it voluntary ?
    
    	- Robin

We'll miss Ya.


	Mick

    
    
    
    
    
    
    Round 25:
    
Rostock - Wattenscheid  1:1
D�sseldorf - M'gladbach 1:1
Dresden - Dortmund      0:0
K�ln - N�rnberg         4:0
K'lautern - Frankfurt   1:1
Kickers - HSV           1:1
Schalke - VfB Stuttgart 0:1
Bochum - Bayern         0:5
KSC - Duisburg          2:2
Werder - Leverkusen     1:1


table:

 1. Dortmund       43:32 34:16
 2. VfB Stuttgart  41:22 32:18
 3. K'lautern      40:23 32:18
 4. Frankfurt      50:27 31:19
 5. Leverkusen     35:24 30:20
 6. K�ln           36:28 28:22
 7. N�rnberg       34:31 28:22
 8. Werder         30:28 26:24
 9. Schalke        33:30 24:26
10. Bayern         38:36 24:26
11. HSV            22:28 24:26
12. Hansa Rostock  34:38 23:27
13. Duisburg       30:34 23:27
14. M'gladbach     22:32 23:27
15. KSC            27:37 21:29
16. Dresden        22:35 21:29
17. Wattenscheid   29:40 20:30
18. Kickers St.    33:43 19:31
19. Bochum         22:40 19:31
20. D�sseldorf     30:43 18:32
    
    No, Robin it was my decision to go and it was before I knew of the big
    problems facing us (some kind of clairvoyant :-). Though I'll try to
    pop up for the football on monday if possible.
    
    G�nter

    
    Cheers Gunther....are you staying in Munich or will you have to
    find an 1860 substititute???
    
    Regards,
    
    Dezzz.

    
    Dezzz,
    
    I'll stay in Munich so we can meet in the Westkurve. Only two weeks
    left untill the play offs start. The Lions will need our support then.
    If you're interested we can arrange to meet us.
    
    G�nter

    Gunter,  We will miss the German results....best of luck outside the
    realms of Digital..heres to 1860...and have a Weiss bier on me!...Tony

    
    
    Tsch�� G�nter,
    
    I'll be missing you and your 1860 comments. I was so much looking
    forward to next season's clash of the giants-to-be '60 and Pauli.
    
    Good luck to you,
    
    		Heiko

Hi Gunther,

I wish you all the best in the future and thanks for all the input,but if you 
permits,I would like to ask you some more questions.
What happened with Teddy De Beer,the goalkeeper of Dortmund and why German 
supporters are always start whistling whenever Steffenberg is touchong the ball?

Regards

Patrick

    
    Hi Patrick,
    
    Teddy de Beer is still with Dortmund but Hitzfeld (coach) prefers at
    this time another - very young - keeper. I think his name is Klos and he 
    is the keeper of the German U21 side. Perhaps you'll see him in
    Barcelona for the Olympic team. De Beer is now the second keeper of
    Borussia Dortmund. 
    
    The German crowd starts (or started - I'm not sure if this is still the
    case) whistling whenever Effenberg is touching a ball because he made
    some (many) stupid and very arrogant comments (Bayern will be champion 
    because the rest is to stupid etc.). He - now playing for Bayern -
    makes a lot of supporters see red. You know a lot of Germans don't like
    Bayern and they don't like him aswell - so it is worse. Nowadays
    people don't hate Bayern like they did the last seasons. Most feel some
    kind of pity for them now. Perhaps he was a substitute for that.
    
    Personally I don't like him but he is a good player and he shouldn't be
    whistled. If you don't understand German feel happy so you don't have
    to follow his comments in interviews. However, football player should
    IMO not be interviewed so many times. They are paid to play football
    and not to make intellectual comments. So they should stick to what
    they are able to. I hate it when in the break the reporters jump on the
    players to ask them why they did what they did etc. Give the boys a
    break to concentrate on football.
    
    G�nter
    
    PS. Thank you all for your friendly wishes. I'll really miss this 
    conference and the contributors. Feel free to ask more questions -
    Tomorrow I'm still in.
    

    
    
    
    	Cheers G�nther.

    
    Good news for our US noters:
    
    Tom Dooley, son of a GI, applied for US citizenship after a request
    from the US Football Association. His dream was playing for Germany but
    as he sees no chance to come into the team for '94 he decided to try
    his luck for the US team. 
    
    Tom is a good defensive player who had his fair share on winning last
    year's championship with Kaiserslautern. He also scored some very
    important goals. 
    
    regards 
    G�nter
    
    PS I'm not sure if this is right though the news papers reported it. I
    think he will then have problems with Kaiserslautern as he will occupy
    a foreigner (even non EC)  place in the team.

re last

I've never heard of him, but I assume he must be pretty good - probably better 
than the guys playing his position on the US team. This would be especially true, 
since to crack the Kaiserslautern lineup he would have to beat out some good 
players. I take it he's the son of a US serviceman stationed in Germany, and 
grew up and learned to play there. I may be wrong, but I was under the 
impression that he would already be a US citizen. If his mother is German, I 
guess he could hold dual citizenship. Does this mean he is considered a German 
for football purposes, like UK citizens who play for Scotland?

Whatever the case, the US will benefit from the more players it has playing in
European leagues. Even though many countries are moving more towards a home-based
side, the US doesn't have a good pro league at home. Players like Sheffield
Wednesday's John Harkes, Hugo Perez and Bruce Murray (Spanish 2nd Division 
clubs) Paul Caliguri (ex-Hasna Rostock, now Hamburger SV?) are benefitting 
tremendously from their experiences. Even if the whole US team plays in Europe
and they set up a makeshift camp there to prepare for games, it's better than
havig players play at home in a semi-pro league.

Tom

Results and table	26th day (Feb, 29th)

Duisburg	    - Bremen		0:0
Wattenscheid	    - D�sseldorf    	4:1
Leverkusen	    - Rostock		3:0
Dortmund	    - Bochum	        1:1
VfB Stuttgart	    - Dresden		1:1
M'gladbach	    - Schalke	        1:1
Frankfurt	    - Hamburg		2:1
N�rnberg	    - Kaiserslautern	3:2
M�nchen		    - K�ln		0:0
Karlsruhe	    - Stuttgarter Kick.	3:1

 1. Borussia Dortmund		44:33	35:17
 2. Eintracht Frankfurt		52:28	33:19
 3. VfB Stuttgart		42:23	33:19
 4. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		42:26	32:20
 5. Bayer 04 Leverkusen		38:24	32:20
 6. 1.FC N�rnberg		37:33	30:22
 7. 1.FC K�ln			36:28	29:23
 8. Werder Bremen		30:28	27:25
 9. Schalke 04			34:31	25:27
10. Bayern M�nchen		38:36	25:27
11. MSV Duisburg		30:34	24:28
12. Hamburger SV		23:30	24:28
13. Borussia M�nchengladbach	23:33	24:28
14. Hansa Rostock		34:41	23:29
15. Karlsruher SC		30:38	23:29
16. Wattenscheid 09		33:41	22:30
17. Dynamo Dresden		23:36	22:30
18. VfL Bochum			23:41	20:32
19. Stuttgart Kickers		34:46	19:33
20. Fortuna D�sseldorf		31:47	18:34

Top Scorers:

13	Walter		(VfB Stuttgart)
12	Chapuisat	(Bor. Dortmund)
11	Spies		(Hansa Rostock)
	Wohlfahrt	(Bayern M�nchen)

Heiko

Results and table	27th day (7/8 Mar)

Schalke		- Wattenscheid	    1:1
Dresden		- M�nchengladbach   1:2
Rostock		- Duisburg	    0:0
K�ln		- Dortmund	    1:2
Kaiserslautern	- M�nchen	    4:0
Stuttgarter K.	- Frankfurt	    0:2
Bremen		- Karlsruhe	    0:0
D�sseldorf	- Leverkusen	    1:1
Bochum		- VfB Stuttgart	    0:2
Hamburg		- N�rnberg	    0:2

 1. Borussia Dortmund		46:34	37:17
 2. Eintracht Frankfurt		54:28   35:19
 3. VfB Stuttgart		44:23	35:19
 4. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		46:26	34:20
 5. Bayer 04 Leverkusen		39:25	33:21
 6. 1.FC N�rnberg		39:33	32:22
 7. 1.FC K�ln			37:30	29:25
 8. Werder Bremen		30:28	28:26
 9. Schalke 04			35:32	26:28
10. Borussia M�nchengladbach	25:34	26:28
11. Bayern M�nchen		38:40	25:29
12. MSV Duisburg		30:34	25:29
13. Hansa Rostock		34:41	24:30
14. Karlsruher SC		30:38	24:30
15. Hamburger SV		23:32	24:30
16. Wattenscheid 09		34:42	23:31
17. Dynamo Dresden		24:38	22:32
18. VfL Bochum			23:43	20:34
19. Stuttgart Kickers		34:48	19:35
20. Fortuna D�sseldorf		32:48	19:35

Top Scorers:

14	Walter		(VfB Stuttgart)
13	Chapuisat	(Bor. Dortmund)
11	Spies		(Hansa Rostock)
	Wohlfahrt	(Bayern M�nchen)
	Eckstein	(1.FC N�rnberg)
Heiko

    > Kaiserslautern  - M�nchen           4:0
    
    
    	I bet that was a cracker! :-)

    Soren Lerby has been sacked by Bayern Muenchen.

    
    For Bayern M�nchen 	press <REMOVE>, 
    				enter HEADCOACH = S�REN LERBY,
    			press <INSERT>, 
    				enter HEADCOACH = ERICH RIBBECK,
    			press <REMOVE>, 
    				enter ASSISTANT COACH = EGON COORDES
    
    For Hamburger SV	press <REMOVE>, 
    				enter HEADCOACH = GERD-VOLKER SCHOCK,
    			press <INSERT>,
    				enter HEADCOACH = EGON COORDES.
    
    For Hansa Rostock	press <REMOVE>, 
    				enter HEADCOACH = UWE REINDERS,
    			press <INSERT>,
    				enter HEADCOACH = ERICH RUTEM�LLER.
    
    
    
     

Results and table	28th day (14 Mar)

M�nchengladbach		- Bochum		1:2
N�rnberg		- Frankfurt		1:3
Bremen			- Stuttgarter Kickers	1:3
Leverkusen		- Schalke		2:1
Karlsruhe		- Rostock		2:1
M�nchen			- Hamburg		2:0
Dortmund		- Kaiserslautern	3:1
VfB Stuttgart		- K�ln			1:0
Duisburg		- D�sseldorf		p:p
Wattenscheid		- Dresden		p:p

 1. Borussia Dortmund		49:35	39:17
 2. Eintracht Frankfurt		57:29   37:19
 3. VfB Stuttgart		45:23	37:19
 4. Bayer 04 Leverkusen		41:26	35:21
 5. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		47:29	34:22
 6. 1.FC N�rnberg		40:36	32:24
 7. 1.FC K�ln			37:31	29:27
 8. Werder Bremen		31:31	28:28
 9. Bayern M�nchen		40:40	27:29
10. Schalke 04			36:34	26:30
11. Karlsruher SC		32:39	26:30
12. Borussia M�nchengladbach	26:36	26:30
13. MSV Duisburg		30:34	25:29
14. Hansa Rostock		35:43	24:32
15. Hamburger SV		23:34	24:32
16. Wattenscheid 09		34:42	23:31
17. Dynamo Dresden		24:38	22:32
18. VfL Bochum			25:44	22:34
19. Stuttgart Kickers		37:49	21:35
20. Fortuna D�sseldorf		32:48	19:35

Top Scorers:

14	Walter		(VfB Stuttgart)
	Chapuisat	(Bor. Dortmund)

12	Spies		(Hansa Rostock)
	Wohlfahrt	(Bayern M�nchen)
11	Eckstein	(1.FC N�rnberg)
	Kirsten		(Leverkusen)

Heiko

Bundesliga 29th day	 21/03/92

Bochum		- Wattenscheid		1:1
Hamburg		- Dortmund		1:1
Dresden		- Leverkusen		1:0
K�ln		- M�nchengladbach	1:1
Frankfurt	- M�nchen		3:2
Stuttgarter K.	- N�rnberg		3:1
Rostock		- Bremen		0:0
D�sseldorf	- Karlsruhe		2:3
Schalke		- Duisburg		3:0
Kaiserslautern	- VfB Stuttgart		0:0

 1. Borussia Dortmund		50:36	40:18
 2. Eintracht Frankfurt		60:31	39:19
 3. VfB Stuttgart		45:23	38:20
 4. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		47:29	35:23
 5. Bayer Leverkusen		41:27	35:23
 6. 1.FC N�rnberg		41:39	32:26
 7. 1.FC K�ln			38:32	30:28
 8. Werder Bremen		31:31	29:29
 9. Schalke 04			39:34	28:30
10. Karlsruher SC		35:41	28:30
11. Bayern M�nchen		42:43	27:31
12. Borussia M�nchengladbach	27:37	27:31
13. MSV Duisburg		32:39	26:32
14. Hansa Rostock		35:43	25:33
15. Hamburger SV		24:35	25:33
16. Wattenscheid 09		35:43	24:32
17. Dynamo Dresden		25:38	24:32
18. Stuttgarter Kickers		40:50	23:35
19. VfL Bochum			26:45	23:35
20. Fortuna D�sseldorf		36:53	20:38

Top Scorers:
	15 Chapuisat	(Dortmund)
	14 Walter	(Stuttgart)
	12 Wohlfarth	(M�nchen)
	   Spies	(Rostock)
Heiko_


 

    Did anyone see Illgners (Germanys keeper) complete cock-up on Saturday?
    It was a bit of an Alex Stepney. He punched a fairly soft cross into his 
    own net, with hardly an attacker in sight!!
    
    It's a good job for the rest of Europe that Germany don't really have
    an international class keeper. 
    
    
    			Steve

Results and table	30th day (28 Mar)

Duisburg	- Dresden	3:0
Bremen		- D�sseldorf	2:1
Wattenscheid	- K�ln		1:2
Leverkusen	- Bochum	2:0
Karlsruhe	- Schalke	1:0
M�nchen		- N�rnberg	1:3
Dortmund	- Frankfurt	2:2
VfB Stuttgart	- Hamburg	3:2
M�nchengladbach	- Kaiserslaut.	1:0
Rostock		- Stuttgarter K.2:2


 1. Borussia Dortmund		52:38	41:19
 2. Eintracht Frankfurt		62:33   40:20
 3. VfB Stuttgart		48:25	40:20
 4. Bayer 04 Leverkusen		43:27	37:23
 5. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		47:30	35:25
 6. 1.FC N�rnberg		44:40	34:26
 7. 1.FC K�ln			40:33	32:28
 8. Werder Bremen		33:32	31:29
 9. Karlsruher SC		36:41	30:30
10. Borussia M�nchengladbach	28:37	29:31
11. Schalke 04			39:35	28:32
12. MSV Duisburg		35:39	28:32
13. Bayern M�nchen		43:46	27:33
14. Hansa Rostock		37:45	26:34
15. Hamburger SV		26:38	25:35
16. Wattenscheid 09		36:45	24:34
17. Dynamo Dresden		25:41	24:34
18. Stuttgarter Kickers		42:52	24:36
19. VfL Bochum			26:47	23:37
20. Fortuna D�sseldorf		37:55	20:40

Top Scorers:

16	Walter		(VfB Stuttgart)
15	Chapuisat	(Bor. Dortmund)

12	Spies		(Hansa Rostock)
	Wohlfahrt	(Bayern M�nchen)
	T�nnies		(MSV Duisburg)
	Yeboah		(E.Frankfurt)

Heiko

    
    	Sometimes I wonder if football in the Bundesliga is a contact
    sport at all! Did anyone see the penalty that M�nchengladbach got
    against Kaiserslautern? Ridiculous! Their arms touched over went the
    striker (some may even say it was a dive!) and the ref gave a penalty!
    
    	And Littbarskis sending off? What for? I mean I really don't know!
    
    
    
    		Steve

Results and table	31st day (4 Apr)

N�rnberg		- Dortmund		2:1
Dresden			- Karlsruhe		2:0
Bochum			- Duisburg		2:1
Kaiserslautern		- Wattenscheid		3:2
Hamburg			- M�nchengladbach	1:0
Stuttgarter Kickers	- M�nchen		2:4
D�sseldorf		- Rostock		0:0
Schalke			- Bremen		0:0
K�ln			- Leverkusen		1:1
Frankfurt		- VfB Stuttgart		1:1


Table:	(Last Week's Position included)    7 Matches left for each team
-----------------------------------------------------
 1. ( 2) Eintracht Frankfurt		63:34   41:21 <-+
 2. ( 3) VfB Stuttgart			49:26	41:21   | 0 Pts. Diff.
 3. ( 1) Borussia Dortmund		53:40	41:21 <-+
 4. ( 4) Bayer 04 Leverkusen		44:28	38:24
 5. ( 5) 1.FC Kaiserslautern		50:32	37:25
 6. ( 6) 1.FC N�rnberg			46:41	36:26
 7. ( 7) 1.FC K�ln			41:34	33:29
 8. ( 8) Werder Bremen			33:32	32:30
 9. ( 9) Karlsruher SC			36:43	30:32
10. (11) Schalke 04			39:35	29:33 <-+
11. (13) Bayern M�nchen			47:48	29:33   |
12. (10) Borussia M�nchengladbach	28:38	29:33   |
13. (12) MSV Duisburg			36:41	28:34   |
14. (14) Hansa Rostock			37:45	27:35   |  3 Pts. Diff.
15. (15) Hamburger SV			27:38	27:35   |
16. (16) Wattenscheid 09		41:48	26:36   |
.....................................................   |
17. (17) Dynamo Dresden			27:44	26:36 <-+
18. (19) VfL Bochum			28:48	25:37
19. (18) Stuttgarter Kickers		44:56	24:38
20. (20) Fortuna D�sseldorf		37:55	21:41

Top Scorers:

16	Walter		(VfB Stuttgart)
	Chapuisat	(Bor. Dortmund)

13	Wohlfahrt	(Bayern M�nchen)
	T�nnies		(MSV Duisburg)



First loss for Dortmund since November (I think)

First ein for Hamburg after 10 matches.

Frankfurt has the best odds, their remaining matches are regarded as 
not as difficult as those of Stuttgart and Dortmund.

Relegation will probably be decided on the very last day.

Heiko

    
    In the first semi-final of the german cup last night, Borussia
    M�nchengladbach beat Bayer Leverkusen on penalties. I saw extra time
    and it looked like a good game, Leverkusen scored in the last minute to
    make it 2-2!
    
    In the penalties Borussia M�nchengladbach scored their first and fourth
    but missed the second and third. It didn't really matter because their
    keeper saved ALL FOUR of Leverkusens penalties!!!!!!!!
    
    
    			Steve

    
    Hannover 96 (2.Bundesliga Nord) will play M�nchengladbach in the German
    Cup Final.
    
    Hannover beat Werder Bremen 6-5 on penalties (1-1 aet).
    
    Heiko
    

So neither Cup Finalist 'won' their semi-final? Yet another competition 
decided on penalties.

grahame

Results and table	32nd day (11 Apr)

Dortmund		- M�nchen		3:0
Rostock			- Schalke		2:0
D�sseldorf		- Stuttgarter Kickers	1:3
Karlsruhe		- Bochum		1:1
Bremen			- Dresden		2:0
Stuttgart		- N�rnberg		2:0
M�nchengladbach		- Frankfurt		1:1
Wattenscheid		- Hamburg		1:1
Leverkusen		- Kaiserslautern	3:0
Duisburg		- K�ln			1:3

Table:	(Last Week's Position included)    6 Matches left for each team
-----------------------------------------------------
 1. ( 2) VfB Stuttgart			51:26	43:21 
 2. ( 3) Borussia Dortmund		56:40	43:21 
 3. ( 1) Eintracht Frankfurt		64:35   42:22 
 4. ( 4) Bayer 04 Leverkusen		47:28	40:24
 5. ( 5) 1.FC Kaiserslautern		50:35	37:27
 6. ( 6) 1.FC N�rnberg			46:43	36:28
 7. ( 7) 1.FC K�ln			44:35	35:29
 8. ( 8) Werder Bremen			35:32	34:30
 9. ( 9) Karlsruher SC			37:44	31:33
10. (12) Borussia M�nchengladbach	29:39	30:34 
11. (10) Schalke 04			39:37	29:35 
12. (11) Bayern M�nchen			47:51	29:35 
13. (14) Hansa Rostock			39:45	29:35 
14. (13) MSV Duisburg			37:44	28:36 
15. (15) Hamburger SV			28:39	28:36 
16. (16) Wattenscheid 09		42:49	27:37 
..................................................... 
17. (19) Stuttgarter Kickers		47:57	26:38
18. (17) Dynamo Dresden			27:46	26:38 
19. (18) VfL Bochum			29:49	26:38
20. (20) Fortuna D�sseldorf		38:58	21:43

Top Scorers:

17	Chapuisat	(Bor. Dortmund)
16	Walter		(VfB Stuttgart)

13	Wohlfahrt	(Bayern M�nchen)
	T�nnies		(MSV Duisburg)
12	Spies		(Hansa Rostock)
	Marin		(Stuttgarter Kickers)
	Kirsten		(Bayer Leverkusen)

Heiko

Results and table	33rd day (18 Apr)

Stuttgarter Kickers - Dortmund		0:1
Dresden		    - Rostock		2:1
Bochum		    - Bremen		2:2
Frankfurt	    - Wattenscheid	1:1
N�rnberg	    - M�nchengladbach	2:1
Schalke		    - D�sseldorf	0:0
K�ln		    - Karlsruhe		2:3
Kaiserslautern	    - Duisburg		2:1
Hamburg		    - Leverkusen	1:1
M�nchen		    - VfB Stuttgart	1:0

Table:	(Last Week's Position included)    5 Matches left for each team
-----------------------------------------------------
 1. ( 2) Borussia Dortmund		57:40	45:21 
 2. ( 3) Eintracht Frankfurt		65:36   43:23 
 3. ( 1) VfB Stuttgart			51:27	43:23 
 4. ( 4) Bayer 04 Leverkusen		48:29	41:25
 5. ( 5) 1.FC Kaiserslautern		52:36	39:27
 6. ( 6) 1.FC N�rnberg			48:44	38:28
 7. ( 7) 1.FC K�ln			46:38	35:31
 8. ( 8) Werder Bremen			37:34	35:31
 9. ( 9) Karlsruher SC			40:46	33:33
10. (12) Bayern M�nchen			48:51	31:35 
11. (11) Schalke 04			39:37	30:36 
12. (10) Borussia M�nchengladbach	30:41	30:36 
13. (13) Hansa Rostock			40:47	29:37 
14. (15) Hamburger SV			29:40	29:37 
15. (16) Wattenscheid 09		43:50	28:38 
16. (14) MSV Duisburg			38:46	28:38 
..................................................... 
17. (18) Dynamo Dresden			29:47	28:38 
18. (19) VfL Bochum			31:51	27:39
19. (17) Stuttgarter Kickers		47:58	26:40
20. (20) Fortuna D�sseldorf		38:58	22:44

Top Scorers:

17	Chapuisat	(Bor. Dortmund)
16	Walter		(VfB Stuttgart)

13	Wohlfahrt	(Bayern M�nchen)
	Spies		(Hansa Rostock)
	T�nnies		(MSV Duisburg)
12	Bode		(Werder Bremen)
	Marin		(Stuttgarter Kickers)
	Kirsten		(Bayer Leverkusen)

Heiko

Results and table	34th day (25 Apr)

Rostock		- Bochum	0:2
D�sseldorf	- Dresden	1:3
Wattenscheid	- N�rnberg	1:1
VfB Stuttgart	- Dortmund	4:2
M�nchengladbach	- M�nchen	1:1
Leverkusen	- Frankfurt	1:3
Duisburg	- Hamburg	0:1
Karlsruhe	- Kaiserslaut'n	2:1
Bremen		- K�ln		1:3
Schalke		- Stuttgart K.	1:2

Table:	(Last Week's Position included)    4 Matches left for each team
-----------------------------------------------------
 1. ( 2) Eintracht Frankfurt		68:37   45:23 
 2. ( 3) VfB Stuttgart			55:29	45:23 
 3. ( 1) Borussia Dortmund		59:44	45:23 
 4. ( 4) Bayer 04 Leverkusen		49:32	41:27
 5. ( 5) 1.FC Kaiserslautern		53:38	39:29
 6. ( 6) 1.FC N�rnberg			49:45	39:29
 7. ( 7) 1.FC K�ln			49:39	37:31
 8. ( 8) Werder Bremen			38:37	35:33
 9. ( 9) Karlsruher SC			42:47	35:33
10. (10) Bayern M�nchen			49:52	32:36 
11. (14) Hamburger SV			30:40	31:37 
12. (12) Borussia M�nchengladbach	31:42	31:37 
13. (11) Schalke 04			40:39	30:38 
14. (17) Dynamo Dresden			32:48	30:38 
15. (15) Wattenscheid 09		44:51	29:39 
16. (13) Hansa Rostock			40:49	29:39 
..................................................... 
17. (18) VfL Bochum			33:51	29:39
18. (16) MSV Duisburg			38:47	28:40 
19. (19) Stuttgarter Kickers		49:59	28:40
20. (20) Fortuna D�sseldorf		39:61	22:46

Top Scorers:

18	Walter		(VfB Stuttgart)
17	Chapuisat	(Bor. Dortmund)

13	Wohlfahrt	(Bayern M�nchen)
	Spies		(Hansa Rostock)
	T�nnies		(MSV Duisburg)

Heiko

    
    Remaining fixtures for the top three:
    
    	Frankfurt		Stuttgart		Dortmund
    P:		45:23			45:23			45:23
    G:	  	+31			  +26			  +15
    
    	F - Duisburg		Stutt.Kick - S		D - M�nchengladb
    	Karlsruhe - F		M�nchenglb - S		Wattenscheid - D
    	F - Bremen		S - Wattenscheid	D - Leverkusen
    	Rostock - F		Leverkusen - S		Duisburg - D
    
    ------
    My Predictions 
    	3:0			1:2			2:0
    	1:1			1:1			1:1
    	2:0			1:0			2:2
    	1:4			2:0			1:3
    
    52:24			50:26			51:25			
      +39			  +26			  +19
    
    Heiko
    

    
    What an absolutely superb game between 2 of the front-runners on
    Saturday. With Bayern out of the picture for most of the season it
    seemed that the other teams felt a weight off their shoulders. Well
    that's the way it was in England this season....there are still 4
    games to go.....who'll buckle first ?? I don't care who wins it as
    at the end one can say that ANY of the 3 teams involved played
    attacking, open and entertaining football. For Dortmund's fans I'd
    like to see them win it as for the past 5 years since I've been here
    they've certainly been the most loyal (ironically an exception this
    year with Schalke 04 having the highest average).
    
    Dezzz.

    
    Werder Bremen	1 - 1	Hamburger SV
    Kohn			Eck
    

    From memory ...
    
    Saturday:
    
    Kickers Stuttgart	- VfB Stuttgart 1:3
    Dortmund		- M'gladbach	2:2
    Frankfurt		- Wattenscheid	3:0
    Dresden		- Schalke	2:1
    Hamburg		- Karlsruhe	0:1
    Kaiserslautern	- Bremen	2:2
    K�ln		- Rostock 	3:1
    
    N�rnberg won
    Leverkusen lost
    
    
    
    Wednesday
    
    Hansa Rostock	- Kaiserslautern 	0:1
    
    Frankfurt, Dortmund, Stuttgart won
    N�rnberg lost
    Bochum won (shame)
    Dresden drew
    
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------
    
    1. Frankfurt
    2. Stuttgart 
    3. Dortmund		(1 pt behind)
    4. Leverkusen	(way behind)
    5. N�rnberg
    6. Kaiserslautern
    
    
    12. Dresden		    (33)
    13. Hamburg		    (32)
    14. M'gladbach	    (32)
    15. Schalke  ?          (31)
    16. Bochum	?	    (30)
    17. Stuttgarter Kickers (29)
    18. Wattenscheid	    (29)
    19. Rostock		    (29)
    20. D�sseldorf	(relegated)
    
    Heiko & Gerd

    
    Saturday, May 9th 1992
    
    37th day (of 38)
    
    VfB Stuttgart	- Wattenscheid 	1:1
    Bochum		- Dresden	1:0
    K�ln		- Schalke	3:0
    Kaiserslautern	- D�sseldorf	2:0
    Hamburg		- Rostock	1:0
    Frankfurt		- Bremen	2:2
    N�rnberg		- Karlsruhe	1:2
    M�nchen		- Duisburg	4:2
    Dortmund		- Leverkusen	3:1
    M�nchengladbach	- Stuttg.Kick	2:1
    
     1. Eintracht Frankfurt		75:39	50:24
     2. VfB Stuttgart			60:31	50:24
     3. Borussia Dortmund		65:47	50:24
     4. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		58:40	44:30
     5. 1.FC K�ln			58:41	43:31
     6. Bayer Leverkusen		52:37	43:31
     7. 1.FC N�rnberg			51:50	41:33
     8. Karlsruher SC			45:50	39:35
     9. SV Werder Bremen		43:42	38:36
    10. FC Bayern M�nchen		59:58	36:38
    11. Hamburger SV			32:42	34:40
    12. Borussia M�nchengladbach	35:46	34:40
    13. VfL Bochum			38:53	33:41
    14. Dynamo Dresden			34:50	33:41
    15. FC Schalke 04			43:45	32:42
    16. Wattenscheid 09			47:58	30:44
    17. MSV Duisburg			43:54	30:44
    18. Stuttgarter Kickers		51:64	29:45
    19. Hansa Rostock			41:54	29:45
    20. Fortuna D�sseldorf		40:69	22:52
    
    Best Scorers:
    	21	Walter		(VfB Stuttgart)
    	19	Chapuisat	(Dortmund)
    	17	Wohlfarth	(M�nchen)
    	15	Yeboah		(Frankfurt)
    	14	Sippel		(Frankfurt)
    
    Next Matches:
    	Stuttgarter Kickers	- Bochum
    	Wattenscheid		- M�nchengladbach
    	Duisburg		- Dortmund
    	Karlsruhe		- M�nchen
    	Bremen			- N�rnberg
    	Rostock			- Frankfurt
    	D�sseldorf		- Hamburg
    	Schalke			- Kaiserslautern
    	Dresden			- K�ln
    	Leverkusen		- VfB Stuttgart
    
    
    Heiko
    

    Saturday, May 16th 1992
    
    Final day 
    
Stuttgarter Kickers	- Bochum		2:0
Wattenscheid		- M�nchengladbach	3:2
Duisburg		- Dortmund		0:1
Karlsruhe		- M�nchen		3:0
Bremen			- N�rnberg		1:3
Rostock			- Frankfurt		2:1
D�sseldorf		- Hamburg		1:0
Schalke			- Kaiserslautern	2:0
Dresden			- K�ln			0:0
Leverkusen		- VfB Stuttgart		1:2

    
 1.( 2) VfB Stuttgart			62:32	52:24
 2.( 3) Borussia Dortmund		66:47	52:24
 3.( 1) Eintracht Frankfurt		76:41	50:26
 4.( 5) 1.FC K�ln			58:41	44:32
 5.( 4) 1.FC Kaiserslautern		58:42	44:32
 6.( 6) Bayer 04 Leverkusen		53:39	43:33
 7.( 7) 1.FC N�rnberg			54:50	43:33
 8.( 8) Karlsruher SC			48:50	41:35
 9.( 9) SV Werder Bremen		44:45	38:38
10.(10) FC Bayern M�nchen		59:61	36:40
11.(15) FC Schalke 04			45:45	34:42
12.(11) Hamburger SV			32:43	34:42
13.(12) Borussia M�nchengladbach	37:49	34:42
14.(14) Dynamo Dresden			34:50	34:42
15.(13) VfL Bochum			38:55	33:43
16.(16) Wattenscheid 09			50:60	32:44
17.(18) Stuttgarter Kickers		53:64	31:45
18.(19) Hansa Rostock			43:55	31:45
19.(17) MSV Duisburg			43:55	30:46
20.(20) Fortuna D�sseldorf		41:69	24:52
    
    Best Scorers:
    	22	Walter		(VfB Stuttgart)
    	20	Chapuisat	(Dortmund)
    	17	Wohlfarth	(M�nchen)
    	15	Yeboah		(Frankfurt)
    	14	Sippel		(Frankfurt)
    

Champions:	VfB Stuttgart
UEFA Cup :	Borussia Dortmund
		Eintracht Frankfurt
		1.FC K�ln
		1.FC Kaiserslautern
Cup Final:	Borussia M�nchengladbach - Hannover 96

Relegated:	Stuttgarter Kickers
		Hansa Rostock
		MSV Duisburg
		Fortuna D�sseldorf

Promoted:	Bayer 05 Uerdingen
		1.FC Saarbr�cken
		(Bundesliga will be reduced to 18 teams)


2.Bundesliga ...

Relegation Round: (2 go down)
		Blau-Weiss 90 Berlin
		TSV 1860 M�nchen
		TSV Havelse
Relegated :	Fortuna K�ln
		SSV Brandenburg
		Hallescher FC
		Rot-Weiss Erfurt
		

    Heiko
    

    
    20 for Sweden .....
    	according to German headcoach Berti Vogts
    
    
    Bodo Illgner	(1.FC K�ln)
    Andi K�pke		(1.FC N�rnberg)
    Manfred Binz	(Eintracht Frankfurt)
    Guido Buchwald	(VfB Stuttgart)
    J�rgen Kohler	(Juventus)
    Christian W�rns	(Bayer Leverkusen)
    Michael Schulz	(Borussia Dortmund)
    Stefan Reuter	(Juventus)
    Andi Brehme		(Inter Milan)
    Thomas Helmer	(Borussia Dortmund)
    Michael Frontzeck	(VfB Stuttgart)
    Andreas M�ller	(unknown)
    Matthias Sammer	(Inter Milan)
    Thomas H��ler	(AS Rome)
    Thomas Doll		(Lazio Rome)
    Stefan Effenberg	(AC Firenze)
    Andreas Thom	(Bayer Leverkusen)
    Rudi V�ller		(AS Rome)
    Karl-Heinz Riedle	(Lazio Rome)
    J�rgen Klinsmann	(Real Madrid)
    
    Heiko
    
    

���    J�rgen Klinsmann	(Real Madrid)
   
When did Klinsmann sign for Real.

�.
   
    

    
    Klinsmann -- Madrid :
    
    Not yet confirmed - I just read in in the paper this morning ...
    	Tranfer fee	DM 10,000,000
    	K'mann's salary DM  1,500,000 p.a.
    
    Heiko

  He'll be earning approx 130,000 dm more than what he earned in Milan. Not bad
money for a striker who only scores an average of 4 or 5 goals pro season. I
also believe he won't be a starter in Euro 92. Riedle, Voller, and Thom are all
better players..

                                                        -dave-

    
    German Cup Final
    
    Hannover 96		- Borussia M�nchengladbach
    
    		4	-	3 
    
    		after penalties
    
    Hannover is the second '2.Bundesliga'-Team that won the cup after
    Offenbach in '72 or so.
    
    Heiko

    
    
    Congratulations to Hannover 96 and their coach Michael Lorkowski.
    
    They deserved to win. 
    
    Gerd
    

    
    Promotion Rounds to 2.Bundesliga (Snapshot)
    
    Group 1
    
    1. Fortuna K�ln	4:1	2:0
    2. TSV Havelse	0:0	1:1
    3. 1860 M�nchen	1:4	1:3
    
    Group 2
    
    1. VfL Wolfsburg	9:1	6:0
    2. FC Berlin	3:4	2:4
    3. FSV Zwickau	3:6	2:4
    4. Union Berlin	3:7	2:4
    
    Group 3
    
    1. Wuppertaler SV	3:1	4:0
    2. Preu�en M�nster	2:3	1:3
    3. FSV Salmrohr	1:2	1:3
    
    Group 4
    
    1. Aschaffenburg	2:2	2:2
    2. Reutlingen	1:1	2:2
       Unterhaching	1:1	2:2
    
    Heiko
    

    
    The Promotion Rounds to 2.Bundesliga have finished
    
    	Not Relegated:
    		Fortuna K�ln
    	Promoted:	
    		VfL Wolfsburg
    		Wuppertaler SV
    		Unterhaching
    
    	Relegated:
    		M�nchen 1860
    
    Heiko
    

Yesterday the matches for the first round of the DFB Cup have
been drawn. Many professional teams have a bye in the first
round, though.

SC J�lich 1910		- SV Werder Bremen
Hallescher FC		- Borussia Dortmund
Kickers Emden		- 1.FC Saarbr�cken
Bayer Leverkusen (A)	- Hamburger SV
Fortuna D�sseldorf (A)	- Borussia M�nchengladbach
FSV Salmrohr		- Wattenscheid 09
Stahl Brandenburg	- 1.FC Kaiserslautern
Sportfreunde Siegen	- VfB Stuttgart
1.SC G�ttingen 05	- FC Schalke 04
Wacker Nordhausen	- 1.FC K�ln
FC Gundelfingen		- Bayer Uerdingen
Borussia Neunkirchen	- FC Bayern M�nchen
TSV 1860 M�nchen	- Dynamo Dresden
SpVgg F�rth		- VfL Bochum
OT Bremen		- 1.FC N�rnberg
L�neburger SK		- Karlsruher SC
SV Wehen		- Eintracht Frankfurt
Bergedorf 85		- Bayer Leverkusen
SSV Jahn Regensburg	- VfB L�beck

Cheers,	    
    Heiko

    
    European Cup Winners Cup:
    
    SV Werder Bremen	- Hannover 96
    
    For the second time in Bundesliga history a second division team
    qualified for the cup ... and they draw the champions.
    It could have been a great show, a great international name, great 
    players to visit Hannover. But now the ruling champion 
    is just 100 miles away.
    
    Anyway,	Hannover beat Werder in last years' semi of the German Cup.
    
    Other German Teams:
    
    VfB Stuttgart	- Leeds United
    
    Fram Reykjavic	- 1.FC Kaiserslautern
    Widzew Lodz		- Eintracht Frankfurt
    FC Floriana		- Borussia Dortmund
    1.FC K�ln		- Celtic Glasgow

    Anyone got the results of the new Bundersliga campaign? I'd
    imagine it would have started by now and that the lower 
    divisions have been playing for a few weeks already.
    
    barry.
                                                       

    No, they haven't started yet.
    First day is Aug, 28th I think.
    
    Heiko
    

   From what I've read the German league also starts on saturday 15th, but there
are also three or four games scheduled for friday night.....

   I  also notice that Bayern Munich pre-season form is similar to that of last
years league form..ie crap... They played a couple of games against Bavarian
league teams, Ulm, and Augsburg and managed only a draw in both games, and were
very lucky not to lose by at least two goals. Klaus Augenthaler had his farewell
game on sat night in Munich against Juventus, at one stage Juventus were leading
by 4-1, and during the 10mins I watched, Juve were in complete control... 

   I hope Bayern keep up this form, because I don't like them.... I hope 
Frankfurt or Dortmund produce the goods this year......

                                                               -dave-                                                               

    
    Yup, you're right. They start this Friday.
    
    (I somehow mixed it up with the league I play in)
    
    Heiko

    
    Hi. Sorry, I neither have the results nor the table at hand.
    
    From memory:
     		        G    P
     1. Bayern M�nchen 5:1  4:0
     2. FC Saarbr�cken      3:1
     .
     .
    18. 1.FC K�ln	    0:4
    
    Heiko
    

    Just read in todays Vogon news, that Bayern hope to sign Lothar
    M�thaus (sp)... I didn't even realise that he was on the market.
    
    Keith.

     Re last...

Yea the deal looks on. The Bayern president is down in Milan today with 
Karl-Heinz Ruemenigge (Vice-president) to talk terms with the Inter folks.. It
looks like he will cost between 4 and 6 million dm. To me that's a lot of
money for a player heading for 32, and who's just recovering from an injury that
would finish a lot of players careers. I'll fill ye in on the details whenever
they are settled. By the way the great Franz Beckenbaur has a lot to do with
this deal, he wants Matthaeus back in Munich at practically any cost.

                                                       -dave-

 
   Lothar Mattaeus signed for Byern Munich last night.. the transfer fee is
approx 6 million dm, this is just one million less than what Bayern got for him
back in 88 when he went to Inter.. He's still injured, but should be back to
full fitnes by October..

                                                             -dave-

    
    Bundesliga	3rd day
    
    
    Uerdingen	- Dortmund		0:2
    Schalke	- M�nchengladbach	1:2
    Leverkusen	- Stuttgart		4:0
    Hamburg	- N�rnberg		0:1
    Karlsruhe	- Bremen		5:2
    K'lautern	- Wattenscheid		4:1
    Bochum	- Saarbr�cken		4:0
    Dresden	- K�ln			3:0
    
     1. Bayern M�nchen			4:0	4:0
     2. VfL Bochum			7:3	4:2
     3. Bayer 04 Leverkusen		6:2	4:2
     4. Karlsruher SC			9:6	4:2
     5. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		5:2	4:2
        Dynamo Dresden			5:2	4:2
     7. Eintracht Frankfurt		2:1	3:1
     8. Borussia Dortmund		4:4	3:3
     9. Borussia M�nchengladbach	5:6	3:3
    10. VfB Stuttgart			4:5	3:3
    11. SG Wattenscheid 09		6:8	3:3
    12. 1.FC Saarbr�cken		3:5	3:3
    13. 1.FC N�rnberg			1:3	3:3
    14. FC Schalke 04			6:6	2:4
    15. Hamburger SV			2:3	2:4
    16. SV Werder Bremen		3:6	2:4
    17. Bayer 05 Uerdingen		1:6	1:5
    18. 1.FC K�ln			0:5	0:6
    
    Heiko
    

    Another blinding start to the season by Koln I see.  8^)
    
    barry.

    I watched the highlights of the matches between Dresden v K�ln and
    Karlsruhe v Bremen. Some interesting points (goals especially) unfolded
    themselves. Firstly the Dresden/K�ln game. Dresden totally outplayed
    K�ln. Perhaps K�ln didn't help themselves by having two players sent
    off. Both rightly so IMO. You'll have to excuse my memory for names !!!
    Can't remember at all what the guy was called ,but Dresdens third goal
    was one of the best volleys I've ever seen. It reminded me of the
    corking volley that Glen Hoddle once scored for England. A swinging
    cross from the lefthand side back out to the edge of the 18 yard box
    and bang that was it !!! I was waiting to see someone replace the
    netting. On last nights showing Littbarski (sp) was the only half
    decent player on the park for K�ln. I think it's going to be a long
    season for them. Okay, now onto Karlsruhe v Bremen. Bremen started off
    very solidly and within 30 mins were two up. Looking to stroll it...
    Back comes Karlsruhe and it's 2-2 within a three minute period. Then
    the show started.. A russian guy that I've never seen or heard of
    before stole the show. The guys name was Sergei Kirjakow. He ripped
    Bremens defence apart on numerous occasions, should have scored atleast
    five times but instead he settled for 3 (?) I think. I'd definately
    watch out for this guys name in years to come. He's going places !!
    The Karlsruhe trainer looked quite happy with his teams performance as
    he danced down the touchline.... Also heard last night on the news that
    Bayern are expecting (hopefully) that Matthaeus will be fit to play by
    October latest...
    
    That's all for the moment.
    
    Keith.
    
    
    

    According to USA Today, Eric Wynalda (who has made several appearances
    with the US national team), scored his first 2 goals in the Bundesliga
    on Saturday.  Can anyone provide more information?  Which team is he
    playing for?
    
    Steve

    I don't remember if it was him, but there was another USA international
    who was with Hasna Rostock the year they won the East German
    championship. Thomas Dooley is a defender for the USA team, but he's
    really German. I think he plays for Kaiserslautern. Paul Caliguiri, a
    midfielder was with SV Hamburger last year, but I think he's moved on.
    
    Tom

    Americans playing in the German league (according to the list I have)
    
    
    Player:			Club:
    
    Eric Wynalda		Saarbr�cken
    Richard Begino		Karlsruhe
    Chet Deereng		Bremen
    Peter Woodring		Hamburg
    
    Thomas Dooley is not listed in the list of foreigners......
    
    
    Keith.
    

    
    Paul Caliguri played for Hamburg about 4 years ago.
    He then moved to SV Meppen, who are playing 2.Bundesliga.
    
    I've never heard of Peter Woodring playing for Hamburg's first team.
    He must be in their amateur squad.
    
    Heiko
    

    As far as I can remember, the two goals of Eric Wynalda were brilliant,
    especially the first one; the second one was scored with a bit of luck.
    
    Eduard

    
    Bundesliga 4th day
    
    M�nchengladbach	- Uerdingen		0:4
    N�rnberg		- Leverkusen		0:1
    Stuttgart		- Karlsruhe		2:1
    Saarbr�cken		- Schalke		1:3
    Dortmund		- Kaiserslautern	1:0
    Wattenscheid	- Frankfurt		1:2
    M�nchen		- Dresden		3:1
    K�ln		- Hamburg		2:2
    Bremen		- Bochum		3:1
    
     1. Bayern M�nchen			 7: 1	6:0
     2. Bayer 04 Leverkusen		 7: 2	6:2
     3. Eintracht Frankfurt		 4: 2	5:1
     4. Borussia Dortmund		 5: 4	5:3
     5. VfB Stuttgart			 6: 6	5:3
     6. Karlsruher SC			10: 8	4:4
     7. FC Schalke 04			 9: 7	4:4
     8. VfL Bochum			 8: 6	4:4
     9. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		 5: 3	4:4
    10. Dynamo Dresden			 6: 5	4:4
    11. SV Werder Bremen		 6: 7	4:4
    12. Bayer 05 Uerdingen		 5: 6	3:5
    13. Hamburger SV			 4: 5	3:5
    14. SG Wattenscheid 09		 7:10	3:5
    15. 1.FC N�rnberg			 1: 4	3:5
    16. 1.FC Saarbr�cken		 4: 8	3:5
    17. Borussia M�nchengladbach	 5:10	3:5
    18. 1.FC K�ln			 2: 7	1:7
    
    Top Scorers:
    
    	5	Thom		(Leverkusen)
    	4	Kirjakow	(Karlsruhe)
    		Anderbr�gge	(Schalke)
    	3	Labbadia	(M�nchen)
    		Walter		(Stuttgart)
    		Wynalda		(Saarbr�cken)
    
    Heiko
    

    re a few back
    
    Thomas Dooley is a dual citizen of Germany and the USA, so he is not
    considered a "foreigner" in the Bundesliga. His father is an American
    serviceman and his mother is German. He grew up in Germany and decided
    to play for the USA becsue he probably would not be able to crack the
    line up of the German national team.
    
    Tom

    
    Bundesliga	5th day
    
    Frankfurt		- Dortmund		4:1
    Kaiserslautern	- M�nchengladbach	0:0
    Schalke		- Bremen		0:0
    Karlsruhe		- N�rnberg		1:1
    Dresden		- Wattenscheid		2:1
    Uerdingen		- Saarbr�cken		1:1
    Bochum		- Stuttgart		0:0
    K�ln		- M�nchen		1:3
    Hamburg		- Leverkusen		0:0
    
     1. Bayern M�nchen			10: 2	8:0
     2. Eintracht Frankfurt		 8: 3	7:1
     3. Bayer 04 Leverkusen		 7: 2	7:3
     4. Dynamo Dresden			 8: 6	6:4
     5. VfB Stuttgart			 6: 6	6:4
     6. Karlsruher SC			11: 9	5:5
     7. FC Schalke 04			 9: 7	5:5
     8. VfL Bochum			 8: 6	5:5
     9. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		 5: 3	5:5
    10. SV Werder Bremen		 6: 7	5:5
    11. Borussia Dortmund		 6: 8	5:5
    12. Bayer 05 Uerdingen		 6: 7	4:6
    13. Hamburger SV			 4: 5	4:6
    14. 1.FC N�rnberg			 2: 5	4:6
    15. 1.FC Saarbr�cken		 5: 9	4:6
    16. Borussia M�nchengladbach	 5:10	4:6
    17. SG Wattenscheid 09		 8:12	3:7
    18. 1.FC K�ln			 3:10	1:9
    
    Rgds,
    		Heiko
    

Hi,

Call me stupid, but I do not understand your league table as presented in this
note.
What does 
6. Karlsruher SC                  11: 9    5:5
mean?

Many thanks,

Mike

  Re last... Heiko I'll save you typing....

Mike   11:9  and 5:5  are in order, goals for, goals against. and points
standing.....

    so Karlsruhe are sixth in the table, scored 11 goals, conceded 9 goals, and
have 5 points out of a possible 10....

                                                      alles klar....

                                                             -dave-

Thanks very much.
Mike

    
    German Cup (DFB-Pokal)	
    Second Round
    
    Bundesliga vs. Bundesliga
    
    	Karlsruhe	- Hamburg		4:2
    	Leverkusen	- Kaiserslautern 	1:0
    	Dortmund	- M�nchen		7:6	(pen)
    
    Bundesliga vs. 2.Liga
    
    	Duisburg	- K�ln			4:3	(pen)
    	Bochum		- Hannover		1:2
    	St.Pauli	- N�rnberg		2:3	(aet)
    	Dresden		- Leipzig		2:3
    	Jena		- Saarbr�cken		2:1
    	Rostock		- Stuttgart		2:0	(aet)
    
    Bundesliga vs. Amateur Leagues
    
    	Erfurt		- Uerdingen		2:4	(pen)
    	Bamberg		- Frankfurt		1:3
    	Werder Bremen A - M�nchengladbach	1:2
    	Beckum		- Werder Bremen		0:7
    	Essen		- Schalke		2:0
    
    2.Liga vs. 2.Liga
    	
    	Fortuna K�ln	- Meppen		0:1
    	Stuttgart Kick.	- Chemnitz		1:2
    	Remscheid	- Darmstadt		2:1
    	Freiburg	- Hertha BSC Berlin	2:4
    
    2.Liga vs. Amateur Leagues
    
    	Aschaffenburg	- Osnabr�ck		0:6
    	Bischofswerda	- Oldenburg		3:2
    	Freiburger FC	- Mainz			0:3
    	Worms		- D�sseldorf		2:4
    	Eisenh�ttenstadt- Wuppertal		5:4	(pen)
    	Bad Homburg	- Braunschweig		1:5
    	Aalen		- Homburg		1:2
    	RW Frankfurt	- Mannheim		3:4
    
    Amatuer League vs. Amateur League
    
    	Ulm		- Neubrandenburg	2:1
    	Plattling	- Regensburg		2:1
    	Hoppstedten	- Heilbronn		0:3
    	Ricklingen	- Verl			5:4	(aet)
    	Hertha BSC (A)	- Heidelberg		3:0
    	Stendal		- Salmrohr		0:1
    
    --------------------------------------------------
    
    Third Round	(Oct 9th - 11th)
    
    N�rnberg		- Remscheid
    Uerdingen		- Hannover
    Frankfurt		- Mannheim
    Bremen		- Mainz
    Osnabr�ck		- M�nchengladbach
    Ulm			- Dortmund
    Bischofswerda	- Karlsruhe
    Heilbronn		- Leverkusen
    Duisburg		- Braunschweig
    Meppen		- Hertha
    D�sseldorf		- Rostock
    Salmrohr		- Homburg
    Hertha (A)		- Leipzig
    Ricklingen		- Chemnitz
    Plattling		- Jena
    Essen		- Eisenh�ttenstadt
    
    Heiko
    
    

    Bundesliga	7th day
    
    Bochum		- Leverkusen		2:2
    Dresden		- M�nchengladbach	1:0
    Hamburg		- Karlsruhe		1:2
    Frankfurt		- Saarbr�cken		1:1
    Kaiserslautern	- Bremen		3:1
    Uerdingen		- Stuttgart		3:3
    Schalke		- N�rnberg		0:0
    M�nchen		- Wattenscheid		1:1
    K�ln		- Dortmund		0:1
    
                                        Goals   Points
     1. FC Bayern M�nchen		15: 3	11: 1	
     2. Bayer 04 Leverkusen		14: 5	10: 4
     3. Eintracht Frankfurt		12: 7	 9: 3
     4. BVB Borussia Dortmund		10: 8	 9: 5
     5. VfB Stuttgart			10: 9	 9: 5
     6. Dynamo Dresden			 9: 9	 8: 6
     7. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		 8: 6	 7: 7
     8. Karlsruher SC			14:15	 7: 7
     9. SV Werder Bremen		 9:11	 7: 7
    10. 1.FC Saarbr�cken		 8:10	 7: 7
    11. 1.FC N�rnberg			 4: 6	 7: 7
    12. VfL Bochum			11:10	 6: 8
    13. FC Schalke 04			 9: 8	 6: 8
    14. SG Wattenscheid 09		13:15	 6: 8
    15. Bayer 05 Uerdingen		10:12	 5: 9
    16. Borussia M�nchengladbach	 8:14	 5: 9
    17. Hamburger Sportverein		 5:11	 4:10
    18. 1.FC K�ln			 5:15	 1:13
    
    Top Scorers
    	6 Thom		(Leverkusen)
    	5 Wynalda	(Saarbr�cken/US)
    	  Yeboah	(Frankfurt/Ghana)
    	4 Walter	(Stuttgart)
    	  Wegmann	(Bochum)
    	  Anderbr�gge	(Schalke)
    
    News Flash
    	* Hamburg have fired their coach Egon Coordes. 
    	  His (interim) successor is Benno M�hlmann, former coach of the
    	  Hamburger SV amateur team - which is leading the Oberliga Nord
    	  (one below 2.B'liga) with 11:1 pts and 19:5 goals.
    
    2. Bundesliga
    	
    Jena	- Meppen	0:1
    Osnabr�ck	- Wuppertal	1:0
    D�sseldorf	- K�ln		0:0
    Stuttgart	- Braunschweig	2:1
    Mannheim	- Duisburg	2:1
    Chemnitz	- St.Pauli	3:1
    Wolfsburg	- Hertha	2:2
    Freiburg	- Darmstadt	1:1
    Hannover	- Mainz		1:3
    Oldenburg	- Leipzig	3:3
    Rostock	- Unterhaching	4:1
    Remscheid	- Homburg	0:0
    
     1. Freiburger SC		34:14	23: 7
     2. MSV Duisburg		23:12	21: 9
     3. Hansa Rostock		21: 9	20:10
     4. Fortuna K�ln		17: 6	19:11
     5. VfB Leipzig		20:14	18:12
     6. FSV Mainz 05		21:17	18:12
     7. SV Meppen		12:11	18:12
     8. Waldhof Mannheim	21:21	18:12
     9. VfL Osnabr�ck		23:18	17:13
    10. FC Homburg		25:22	16:14
    11. FC Jena			23:20	16:14
    12. VfB Oldenburg		25:27	16:14
    13. VfL Wolfsburg		22:23	14:16
    14. Hannover 96		23:25	14:16
    15. Chemnitzer FC		14:16	14:16
    16. Wuppertaler SV		17:13	13:17
    17. Hertha BSC Berlin	19:22	13:17
    18. FC St.Pauli		16:20	13:17
    19. Eintracht Braunschweig	20:26	12:18
    20. FC Remscheid		14:24	12:18
    21. Stuttgarter Kickers	11:19	11:19
    22. Fortuna D�sseldorf	13:23	 9:21
    23. SpVgg Unterhaching	17:30	 8:22
    24. SV Darmstadt 98		12:31	 7:23
    
    Cheers,
    	Heiko
    

    
    Bundesliga	8th day

    Dortmund		- M�nchen		1:2
    Saarbr�cken		- Dresden		1:1
    Bremen		- Frankfurt		0:0
    Stuttgart		- Kaiserslautern	3:1
    M�nchengladbach	- K�ln			1:2
    Wattenscheid	- Hamburg		2:2
    Karlsruhe		- Bochum		1:0
    Leverkusen		- Schalke		6:1
    N�rnberg		- Uerdingen		2:0
	        
    
                                        Goals   Points
     1. FC Bayern M�nchen		17: 4	13: 1	
     2. Bayer 04 Leverkusen		20: 6	12: 4
     3. VfB Stuttgart			13:10	11: 5
     4. Eintracht Frankfurt		12: 7	10: 4
     5. BVB Borussia Dortmund		11:10	 9: 7
     6. Karlsruher SC			15:15	 9: 7
     7. Dynamo Dresden			10:10	 9: 7
     8. 1.FC N�rnberg			 6: 6	 9: 7
     9. SV Werder Bremen		 9:11	 8: 8
        1.FC Saarbr�cken		 9:11	 8: 8
    11. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		 9: 9	 7: 9
    12. SG Wattenscheid 09		15:17	 7: 9
    13. VfL Bochum			11:11	 6:10
    14. FC Schalke 04			10:14	 6:10
    15. Bayer 05 Uerdingen		10:14	 5:11
    16. Hamburger Sportverein		 7:13	 5:11
    17. Borussia M�nchengladbach	 9:16	 5:11
    18. 1.FC K�ln			 7:16	 3:13
    
    Top Scorers
    	7 Thom		(Leverkusen)
    	5 Wynalda	(Saarbr�cken/US)
    	  Yeboah	(Frankfurt/Ghana)
    	  Anderbr�gge	(Schalke)
	  Walter	(Stuttgart)
	  Ordenewitz	(K�ln)
	  Krieg		(Karlsruhe)
    
    2. Bundesliga
    	
    Leipzig		- Stuttgart	3:2
    Duisburg		- Mainz		2:1
    St.Pauli		- Remscheid	4:1
    Rostock		- Hannover	2:2
    Unterhaching	- D�sseldorf	2:0
    Fortuna K�ln	- Osnabr�ck	1:0
    Wuppertal		- Oldenburg	2:0
    Braunschweig	- Freiburg	1:3
    Dramstadt		- Wolfsburg	4:0
    Homburg		- Jena		1:0
    Hertha		- Chemnitz	1:2
    Meppen		- Mannheim	0:0	
    

     1. Freiburger SC		37:15	25: 7
     2. MSV Duisburg		25:13	23: 9
     3. Hansa Rostock		23:11	21:11
     4. Fortuna K�ln		18: 6	21:11
     5. VfB Leipzig		23:16	20:12
     6. SV Meppen		12:11	19:13
     7. Waldhof Mannheim	21:21	19:13
     8. FC Homburg		26:22	18:14
     9. FSV Mainz 05		22:19	18:14
    10. VfL Osnabr�ck		23:19	17:15
    11. FC Jena			23:21	16:16
    12. Chemnitzer FC		16:17	16:16
    13. VfB Oldenburg		25:29	16:16
    14. Wuppertaler SV		19:13	15:17
    15. FC St.Pauli		20:21	15:17
    16. Hannover 96		25:27	15:17
    17. VfL Wolfsburg		22:27	14:18
    18. Hertha BSC Berlin	20:24	13:19
    19. Eintracht Braunschweig	21:29	12:20
    20. FC Remscheid		15:28	12:20
    21. Stuttgarter Kickers	13:22	11:21
    22. SpVgg Unterhaching	19:30	10:22
    23. Fortuna D�sseldorf	13:25	 9:23
    24. SV Darmstadt 98		16:31	 9:23
    
    Cheers,
    	Heiko
    

    I'd be ever so grateful if someone in here could post the
    full address of Borussia Dortmund. 
    
    Thanks in advance,
    
    barry.

    Can anyone tell me if Leeds v Stuggart} are live on RTL on Wednesday ?
                          Celticv Colonge }
    
    thanks
    Denis

    
    Champions
    
    Leeds Utd		- VFB STUTTGART		4:1	(agg. 4:4)
    
    Cup Winners
    
    Hannover 96		- WERDER BREMEN 	2:1	(agg. 3:4)
    
    UEFA
    
    1.FC KAISERSLAUTERN	- Fram Reykjavik	4:0	(agg. 7:0)
    BORUSSIA DORTMUND	- FC Floriana (Malta)	7:2	(agg. 8:2)
    CELTIC GLASGOW	- 1.FC K�ln		3:0	(agg. 3:2)
    EINTRACHT FRANKFURT	- Widzew Lodz (Poland)	9:0	(agg. 11:2)
    
    Heiko
    

    Bundesliga	10th day

M�nchengladbach	- Wattenscheid		4:1
Bochum		- Schalke		0:1
Karlsruhe	- Uerdingen		4:0
Stuttgart	- Dresden		4:0
Saarbr�cken	- M�nchen		1:1
Dortmund	- Hamburg		3:1
Leverkusen	- Kaiserslautern	2:0
N�rnberg	- Frankfurt		1:2
Bremen		- K�ln			2:0
	        
    
                                        Goals   Points
     1. FC Bayern M�nchen		20: 7	15: 3	
     2. Eintracht Frankfurt		18: 8	14: 4
     3. Bayer 04 Leverkusen		23: 8	14: 6
     4. BVB Borussia Dortmund		17:12	13: 7
     5. VfB Stuttgart			17:14	13: 7
     6. Karlsruher SC			21:17	12: 8
     7. SV Werder Bremen		14:13	12: 8
     8. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		11:11	 9:11
     9. FC Schalke 04			13:16	 9:11
    10. 1.FC N�rnberg			 7:10	 9:11
    11. 1.FC Saarbr�cken		12:16	 9:11
    12. Dynamo Dresden			12:17	 9:11
    13. Borussia M�nchengladbach	15:16	 8:12
    14. Hamburger Sportverein		10:16	 7:13
    15. SG Wattenscheid 09		17:24	 7:13
    16. Bayer 05 Uerdingen		12:19	 7:13
    17. VfL Bochum			11:14	 6:14
    18. 1.FC K�ln			11:20	 5:13
    
    Top Scorers
    	7 Thom		(Leverkusen)
    	  Yeboah	(Frankfurt)
	6 Walter	(Stuttgart)
	  Krieg		(Karlsruhe)
	  Wynalda	(Saarbr�cken)
    
    2. Bundesliga
    	
Wuppertal	- Freiburg		4:1
Leipzig		- Wolfsburg		3:2
Homburg		- Mainz			0:0
Meppen		- Duisburg		1:0
Rostock		- Osnabr�ck		2:0
Unterhaching	- Oldenburg		3:0
Fortuna K�ln	- Stuttgarter Kickers	3:0
Braunschweig	- Chemnitz		4:4
Darmstadt	- Remscheid		2:2
Hertha BSC	- Jena			2:3
St.Pauli	- Mannheim		0:0
D�sseldorf	- Hannover		0:1

     1. Freiburger SC		39:19	27: 9
     2. Fortuna K�ln		22: 6	25:11
     3. Hansa Rostock		26:12	24:12
     4. MSV Duisburg		26:16	23:13
     5. VfB Leipzig		26:19	22:14
     6. Waldhof Mannheim	23:21	22:14
     7. FSV Mainz 05		25:19	21:15
     8. SV Meppen		13:14	21:15
     9. FC Jena			27:23	20:16
    10. FC Homburg		26:24	19:17
    11. Hannover 96		28:28	19:17
    12. VfL Osnabr�ck		24:22	18:18
    13. Wuppertaler SV		14:18	17:19
    14. Chemnitzer FC		20:22	17:19
    15. FC St.Pauli		20:22	16:20
    16. VfL Wolfsburg		28:31	16:20
    17. VfB Oldenburg		25:33	16:20
    18. FC Remscheid		19:31	15:21
    19. Hertha BSC Berlin	23:29	13:23
    20. SpVgg Unterhaching	23:31	13:23
    21. Stuttgarter Kickers	17:26	13:23
    22. Eintracht Braunschweig	26:37	13:23
    23. SV Darmstadt 98		19:33	12:24
    24. Fortuna D�sseldorf	14:27	10:26
    
    Cheers,
    	Heiko
    

    Bundesliga	11th day

Wattenscheid	- Saarbr�cken		3:1
Dresden		- N�rnberg		1:2
Hamburg		- Schalke		1:2
Frankfurt	- Leverkusen		2:2
Kaiserslautern	- Karlsruhe		2:3
Uerdingen	- Bochum		2:1
Dortmund	- M�nchengladbach	4:1
M�nchen		- Bremen		1:3
K�ln		- Stuttgart		3:1
    
                                        Goals   Points
     1. FC Bayern M�nchen		21:10	15: 5	
     2. Eintracht Frankfurt		20:10	15: 5
     3. Bayer 04 Leverkusen		25:10	15: 7
     4. BVB Borussia Dortmund		21:13	15: 7
     5. Karlsruher SC			24:19	14: 8
     6. SV Werder Bremen		17:14	14: 8
     7. VfB Stuttgart			18:17	13: 9
     8. FC Schalke 04			15:17	11:11
     9. 1.FC N�rnberg			 9:11	11:11
    10. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		13:14	 9:13
    11. SG Wattenscheid 09		20:25	 9:13
    12. Bayer 05 Uerdingen		14:20	 9:13
    13. 1.FC Saarbr�cken		13:19	 9:13
    14. Dynamo Dresden			13:19	 9:13
    15. Borussia M�nchengladbach	16:13	 8:14
    16. 1.FC K�ln			14:21	 7:15
    17. Hamburger Sportverein		11:18	 7:15
    18. VfL Bochum			12:16	 6:16
    
    Top Scorers
	7 Ordenewitz	(K�ln)
    	  Thom		(Leverkusen)
    	  Yeboah	(Frankfurt)
	6 Walter	(Stuttgart)
	  Krieg		(Karlsruhe)
	  Wynalda	(Saarbr�cken)
	  Povlsen	(Dortmund)
	  Anderbr�gge	(Schalke)
	  Kirsten	(Leverkusen)    

    2. Bundesliga
    	
Duisburg	- Homburg	3:0
Jena		- Darmstadt	0:0
Osnabr�ck	- D�sseldorf	4:1
Oldenburg	- Rostock	2:1
Mannheim	- Hertha	2:2
Remscheid	- Braumschweig	3:4
Freiburg	- Fortuna K�ln	3:1
Chemnitz	- Leipzig	2:2
Hannover	- Meppen	2:2
Stuttgart Kick.	- Unterhaching	3:1
Mainz		- St.Pauli	2:2
Wolfsburg	- Wuppertal	2:2

     1. Freiburger SC		42:20	29: 9
     2. Fortuna K�ln		23: 9	25:13
     3. MSV Duisburg		29:16	25:13
     4. Hansa Rostock		27:14	24:14
     5. VfB Leipzig		28:21	23:15
     6. Waldhof Mannheim	25:23	23:15
     7. FSV Mainz 05		27:21	22:16
     8. SV Meppen		15:16	22:16
     9. FC Jena			27:23	21:17
    10. VfL Osnabr�ck		28:23	20:18
    11. Hannover 96		30:30	20:18
    12. FC Homburg		26:27	19:19
    13. Wuppertaler SV		26:20	18:20
    14. Chemnitzer FC		22:24	18:20
    15. VfB Oldenburg		27:34	18:20
    16. FC St.Pauli		22:24	17:21
    17. VfL Wolfsburg		30:33	17:21
    18. Stuttgarter Kickers	20:27	15:23
    19. Eintracht Braunschweig	30:39	15:23
    20. FC Remscheid		21:35	15:23
    21. Hertha BSC Berlin	25:31	14:24
    22. SpVgg Unterhaching	24:34	13:25
    23. SV Darmstadt 98		19:33	13:25
    24. Fortuna D�sseldorf	15:31	10:28
    
    Have a look at the goals scored:
	best:	42 by Freiburg (league pos.  1)
	next:	30 by Hannover     ( 11th)
		      Wolfsburg    ( 17th)
		      Braunschweig ( 19th)

    Cheers,
    	Heiko
    

    Bundesliga	12th day

Schalke		- Uerdingen	    1:1
Leverkusen	- Dresden	    0:0
Bremen		- Wattenscheid	    3:0
Stuttgart	- M�nchen	    2:3
Saarbr�cken	- Dortmund	    3:1
M�nchengladbach	- Hamburg	    0:0
Bochum		- Kaiserslautern    1:3
N�rnberg	- K�ln		    2:1
Karlsruhe	- Frankfurt	    4:1
    
                                        Goals   Points
 
     1. FC Bayern M�nchen		25:13	18: 6	
     2. Bayer 04 Leverkusen		25:10	16: 8
     3. Karlsruher SC			28:20	16: 8
     4. Eintracht Frankfurt		22:15	16: 8
     5. SV Werder Bremen		20:14	16: 8
     6. BVB Borussia Dortmund		21:13	15: 9
     7. VfB Stuttgart			20:20	13:11
     8. 1.FC N�rnberg			11:12	13:11
     9. FC Schalke 04			16:18	12:12
    10. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		16:15	11:13
    11. 1.FC Saarbr�cken		16:20	11:13
    12. Bayer 05 Uerdingen		15:21	10:14
    13. Dynamo Dresden			13:19	10:14
    14. Borussia M�nchengladbach	16:23	 9:15
    15. SG Wattenscheid 09		20:28	 9:15
    16. Hamburger Sportverein		11:18	 8:16
    17. 1.FC K�ln			15:23	 7:17
    18. VfL Bochum			13:19	 6:18
    
    Top Scorers
	7 Ordenewitz	(K�ln)
    	  Thom		(Leverkusen)
    	  Yeboah	(Frankfurt)
	  Walter	(Stuttgart)
	  Krieg		(Karlsruhe)
    

    
    This weekend was the cup's 1/8 - final
    
    Bundesliga vs. Bundesliga:
    	Werder Bremen	- Borussia Dortmund	2:0
    Bundesliga vs. 2.Bundesliga
    	FC Homburg	- FC N�rnberg		2:4 pen
    	Leverkusen	- Hertha BSC		1:0
    	D�sseldorf	- Karlsruhe		0:1
    	Frankfurt	- Osnabr�ck		3:1
    2.Bundesliga vs. 2.Bundesliga
    	FC Jena		- MSV Duisburg		3:2 aet
    Amateurs vs. 2.Bundesliga
    	Hertha BSC (A)	- Hannover 96		4:3
    	RW Essen	- Chemnitzer FC		0:1
    
    
    
    Matches for the next round (quarterfinal)
    
    Bundesliga vs. Bundesliga
    	Karlsruher SC	- Eintracht Frankfurt
    Bundesliga vs. 2.Liga
    	Chemnitzer FC	- Werder Bremen
    	FC Jena		- Bayer Leverkusen
    Bundesliga vs. Amateurs
    	Hertha BSC (A)	- FC N�rnberg
    
    Heiko
    
    

    Saw a brief report in the International Herald Tribune that Cobi Jones,
    a member of the US Olympic team, had been signed by FC Cologne.  Anyone
    have any further info?  
    
    Steve

    Well, he scored a nice goal against the Ivory Coast in the "Inter-
    Continental Championships" at King Fahd Stadium in Saudi Arabia. The
    game was on Telemundo yesterday. The US won, 5-2. I think Cobi Jones 
    played for UCLA before joining the US Olympic team this summer.
    
    It's kind of hard to take this tournament seriously if it didn't
    include the European Champion. Apparenly Denmark had enough
    internationals already scheduled in their WC qualifying group.
    Argentina won it (big surprise there!), Saudi Arabia was 2nd, USA 3rd
    and Ivory Coast 4th.
    
    Tom   

    Bundesliga	13th day

Kaiserslautern		- Schalke		3:0
Dortmund		- Bremen		2:2
Dresden			- Karlsruhe		3:0
M�nchengladbach		- Saarbr�cken		2:5
Wattenscheid		- Stuttgart		0:0
M�nchen			- N�rnberg		1:0
K�ln			- Leverkusen		1:0
Frankfurt		- Bochum		4:1
Hamburg			- Uerdingen		3:0

                                        Goals   Points
 
     1. FC Bayern M�nchen		26:13	20: 6	
     2. Eintracht Frankfurt		26:16	18: 8
     3. SV Werder Bremen		22:16	17: 9
     4. Bayer 04 Leverkusen		25:11	16:10
     5. BVB Borussia Dortmund		23:15	16:10
     6. Karlsruher SC			28:23	16:10
     7. VfB Stuttgart			20:20	14:12
     8. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		19:15	13:13
     9. 1.FC Saarbr�cken		21:22	13:13
    10. 1.FC N�rnberg			11:13	13:13
    11. Dynamo Dresden			16:19	12:14
    12. FC Schalke 04			16:21	12:14
    13. Hamburger SV			14:18	10:16
    14. SG Wattenscheid 09		20:28	10:16
    15. Bayer 05 Uerdingen		15:24	10:16
    16. 1.FC K�ln			16:23	 9:17
    17. Borussia M�nchengladbach	18:28	 9:17
    18. VfL Bochum			14:23	 6:20
    
    Top Scorers
	9 Yeboah	(Frankfurt)
	8 Wynalda	(Saarbr�cken)
	7 Ordenewitz	(K�ln)
    	  Thom		(Leverkusen)
	  Walter	(Stuttgart)
	  Krieg		(Karlsruhe)
    

    Bundesliga	14th day

Saarbr�cken	- Hamburg		0:3
Bochum		- Dresden		2:2
N�rnberg	- Wattenscheid		2:1
Stuttgart	- Dortmund		1:0
Uerdingen	- Kaiserslautern	0:5
Schalke		- Frankfurt		0:0
Karlsruhe	- K�ln			3:1
Leverkusen	- M�nchen		2:4
Bremen		- M�nchengladbach	2:0


                                        Goals   Points
 
     1. FC Bayern M�nchen		30:15	22: 6	
     2. Eintracht Frankfurt		26:16	19: 9
     3. SV Werder Bremen		24:16	19: 9
     4. Karlsruher SC			31:24	18:10
     5. Bayer 04 Leverkusen		27:15	16:12
     6. BVB Borussia Dortmund		24:19	16:12
     7. VfB Stuttgart			21:20	16:12
     8. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		24:15	15:13
     9. 1.FC N�rnberg			13:14	15:13
    10. Dynamo Dresden			18:21	13:15
    11. 1.FC Saarbr�cken		21:25	13:15
    12. FC Schalke 04			16:21	13:15
    13. Hamburger SV			17:18	12:16
    14. SG Wattenscheid 09		21:30	10:18
    15. Bayer 05 Uerdingen		15:29	10:18
    16. 1.FC K�ln			17:26	 9:19
    17. Borussia M�nchengladbach	18:30	 9:19
    18. VfL Bochum			16:25	 7:21
    
    Top Scorers
	9 Yeboah	(Frankfurt)
	8 Wynalda	(Saarbr�cken)
    	  Thom		(Leverkusen)
	  Walter	(Stuttgart)
    

    Bundesliga	15th day

Wattenscheid		- Leverkusen	1:3
Dresden			- Schalke	1:0
Bremen			- Saarbr�cken	2:0
Frankfurt		- Uerdingen	1:0
Kaiserslautern		- Hamburg	2:2
M�nchengladbach		- Stuttgart	1:1
Dortmund		- N�rnberg	4:2
M�nchen			- Karlsruhe	3:3
K�ln			- Bochum	1:0

                                        Goals   Points
 
     1. FC Bayern M�nchen		33:18	23: 7	
     2. Eintracht Frankfurt		27:16	21: 9
     3. SV Werder Bremen		26:16	21: 9
     4. Karlsruher SC			34:27	19:11
     5. Bayer 04 Leverkusen		30:16	18:12
     6. BVB Borussia Dortmund		28:21	18:12
     7. VfB Stuttgart			22:21	17:13
     8. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		26:17	16:14
     9. Dynamo Dresden			19:21	15:15
    10. 1.FC N�rnberg			15:18	15:15
    11. Hamburger SV			19:20	13:17
    12. 1.FC Saarbr�cken		21:27	13:17
    13. FC Schalke 04			16:22	13:17
    14. 1.FC K�ln			18:26	11:19
    15. SG Wattenscheid 09		22:33	10:20
    16. Borussia M�nchengladbach	19:31	10:20
    17. Bayer 05 Uerdingen		15:30	10:20
    18. VfL Bochum			16:26	 7:23
    
    Top Scorers
	9 Yeboah	(Frankfurt)
	8 Wynalda	(Saarbr�cken)
    	  Thom		(Leverkusen)
	  Walter	(Stuttgart)
    
Heiko

When Mattheus signed for Bayern he was injured. Has he recovered yet?

If so, how is he doing?

Is he back in the national side again?

If I remember correctly, Bayern weren't particularly devastating last season, so
has the return of Mattheus made the difference?

Other questions:

Who is leading the second division this year?
How are Osnabruck doing?

Is Andy Brehme playing in Germany again now?

Just curious...

Thanks for any info.

Mike

   Mike Mattheus has played about 8-10 games in a row now for Bayern since
recovering from his injury. He has scored two goals for them one ten days ago
and one on saturday... They are two of the best goals I have seen been scored
this season in any league, and Iam by no way a fan of Mattheus or Bayern... He 
is also back in the National team, and Iam sure he will become the most capped
player for Germany, at the moment he has approx 95 caps.... Kaiser Franz
Beckenbauer holds the record at 103 (Heiko correct me if Iam wrong)

   Bayern have bought some other class players who have fit perfectly into the
team, so its only got a little to do with Mattheus... The young players look to
him , Jorginho, and Woulters for advice...

   Freiburg are leading the second division table by five points, Iam not sure
where Osnabruck are, but I think their mid table.....

   Andy Brehme plays with Real Zaragosa in Spain... They got beat 10 days ago
6-1 at home to the mighty Barcelona.....

                                         hope this helps.....

                                                    -dave-

Dave,

Thanks very much.

Mike

    
    re Matth�us
    
    Yep, he has more than 90 caps, that's true, and Beckenbauer has 103
    that's also true.
    
    I think it should be mentioned, that Matth�us had some very bad matches
    for Bayern at the beginning, he is only playing well for the last two
    matches.
    
    As to Osnabr�ck: I'll post the 2.Bundesliga table in the St.Pauli topic
    (#76) later.
    
    Heiko
    
    
     

    
    I saw the high lights of the Bundersliga last night on the tv
    and Matthaus was quite superb.
    
    JN.

    
    Two major surprises in yesterday's quarter-final of the German cup:
    
    Hertha BSC (A)	- 1.FC N�rnberg	2:1
    
    	The AMATEUR team of Hertha BSC (not the Hertha professionals,
    	playing in 2.Bundesliga) kicked the Bundesliga team of N�rnberg
    	out of the cup. They have already eliminated the current cup-winner
    	Hannover 96.
    	With their average age of 20.6 yrs, they're probably one of the
    	youngest teams ever to reach the semifinal. And they are only the
    	second 3rd Division team ever to reach the semis in the ~90 years
    	of German cup history.
    
    Chemnitzer FC	- Werder Bremen		2:1	aet
    
    	My paper reports, that the 2.Bundesliga (midtable) team of Chemnitz
    	totally outplayed one of the Bundesliga top teams, Werder Bremen,
    	currently 3rd.
    
    FC Carl-Zeiss Jena	- Bayer Leverkusen	0:2
    
    Karlsruher SC	- Eintracht Frankfurt	tonight
    
    ------------------------------------------
    
    Semifinals
    
    Hertha BSC (A)	- Chemnitzer FC
    Frankfurt/Karlsruhe	- Bayer Leverkusen
    
    Heiko
    

   Heiko both teams played excellent football ie Chemnitz and Hertha amateurs
could and should have won by a bigger margin.... Bremen had two players sent off
in their game, but again Chemnitz were the better team. I hope Hertha go all the
way, they have at least a good chance of geting to the final.....

                                                                -dave-

p.s Big game on tonight on RTL....

    Bundesliga	16th day
    
Uerdingen	- Dresden		1:1
Hamburg		- Bremen		0:0
Karlsruhe	- Wattemscheid		2:1
Stuttgart	- Saarbr�cken		2:2
Kaiserslautern	- Frankfurt		0:2
Bochum		- M�nchen		2:2
Leverkusen	- Dortmund		3:3
N�rnberg	- M�nchengladbach	0:1
Schalke		- K�ln			1:0

                                        Goals   Points
 
     1. FC Bayern M�nchen		35:20	24: 8	
     2. Eintracht Frankfurt		29:16	23: 9
     3. SV Werder Bremen		26:16	22:10
     4. Karlsruher SC			36:28	21:11
     5. Bayer 04 Leverkusen		33:19	19:13
     6. BVB Borussia Dortmund		31:24	19:13
     7. VfB Stuttgart			24:23	18:14
     8. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		26:19	16:16
     9. Dynamo Dresden			20:22	16:16
    10. 1.FC N�rnberg			15:19	15:17
    11. FC Schalke 04			17:22	15:17
    12. Hamburger SV			19:20	14:18
    13. 1.FC Saarbr�cken		23:29	14:18
    14. Borussia M�nchengladbach	20:31	12:20
    15. 1.FC K�ln			18:27	11:21
    16. Bayer 05 Uerdingen		16:31	11:21
    17. SG Wattenscheid 09		23:35	10:22
    18. VfL Bochum			18:28	 8:24
    
    Top Scorers
	9 Walter	(Stuttgart)
	  Yeboah	(Frankfurt)
	8 Wynalda	(Saarbr�cken)
	  Krieg		(Karlsruhe)
    	  Kirsten	(Leverkusen)
    	  Thom		(Leverkusen)
    	  Wegmann	(Bochum)
    
Heiko

Bundesliga Halftime� (17th day)

�) 20 of 29 winter-break champions became champions at the end of the season

Wattenscheid		- Bochum		2:0
Saarbr�cken		- N�rnberg		0:1
M�nchengladbach		- Leverkusen		2:2
Frankfurt		- Hamburg		3:3
Dortmund		- Karlsruhe		3:1
M�nchen			- Schalke		1:1
K�ln			- Uerdingen		5:0
Dresden			- Kaiserslautern	1:3
Bremen			- Stuttgart		1:1

                                        Goals   Points
 
     1. FC Bayern M�nchen		36:21	25: 9	
     2. Eintracht Frankfurt		32:19	24:10
     3. SV Werder Bremen		27:17	23:11
     4. BVB Borussia Dortmund		34:25	21:13
     5. Karlsruher SC			37:31	21:13
     6. Bayer 04 Leverkusen		35:21	20:14
     7. VfB Stuttgart			25:24	19:15
     8. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		29:20	18:16
     9. 1.FC N�rnberg			16:19	17:17
    10. Dynamo Dresden			21:25	16:18
    11. FC Schalke 04			18:23	16:18
    12. Hamburger SV			22:23	15:19
    13. 1.FC Saarbr�cken		23:30	14:20
    14. 1.FC K�ln			23:27	13:21
    15. Borussia M�nchengladbach	22:33	13:21
    16. SG Wattenscheid 09		25:35	12:22
    17. Bayer 05 Uerdingen		16:36	11:23
    18. VfL Bochum			18:30	 8:26
    
    Top Scorers
	10  Yeboah	(Frankfurt)
	    Walter	(Stuttgart)
	 9  Chapuisat   (Dortmund)
    	    Kirsten	(Leverkusen)
	8   Wynalda	(Saarbr�cken)
	    Krieg	(Karlsruhe)
    	    Thom	(Leverkusen)
    	    Wegmann	(Bochum)
	    Kirjakov	(Karlsruhe)
	    Witeczek	(Kaiserslautern)
    
Heiko

Lucky and undeserved win for N�rnberg in Saarbr�cken with a goal  in extra time.

Hamburg draws in Franfurt after being down 2-0 after 13mins and 3-1 at halftime.

Lucky draw for Bayern after an own-goal of Schalke's Linke.

NEXT MATCHES ON 19/20 FEB 1993

 

    
    German Indoor Masters:
    
    Bayern M�nchen 		qualified as host
    Borussia Dortmund		qualified as 92' indoor champion
    VfB Stuttgart		qualified as 92' champion
    Hannover 96			qualified as 92' cup winner
    1.FC Kaiserslautern		\
    1.FC K�ln			 \ qualified as best teams in the 
    Hamburger SV		 / qualification tournaments
    Chemnitzer FC		/
    
    Group A				Group B
    
    Stuttgart	- K�ln		1:2	Hannover	- Dortmund	3:7
    K'lautern	- Chemnitz	2:3	M�nchen		- Hamburg	2:4
    K�ln	- K'lautern	4:1	Dortmund	- M�nchen	1:4
    Chemnitz	- Stuttgart	3:5	Hamburg		- Hannover	3:6
    Stuttgart	- K'lautern	5:2	Hannover	- M�nchen	3:4
    Chemnitz	- K�ln		2:3	Hamburg		- Dortmund	2:4
    
    1. 1.FC K�ln	 9: 4	6:0	1. Bor. Dortmund	12: 9	4:2
    2. VfB Stuttgart	11: 7	4:2	2. Hamburger SV		12: 9	4:2
    3. Chemnizter FC	 8:10	2:4	3. Bayern M�nchen	10: 8	4:2
    4. Kaiserslautern	 5:12	0:6	4. Hannover 96		 9:17	0:6
    
    Semifinals
    
    K�ln	- Hamburg	6:4	(pen)
    Dortmund	- Stuttgart	5:7
    
    Final
    
    K�ln	- Stuttgart	2:1
    
    
    Top Scorers:
    Labbadia	(Bayern)
    Sammer	(Dortmund)	7 each
    
    

Bundesliga 18th day

Wattenscheid	- Schalke		0:0
K�ln		- Kaiserslautern	0:3
Bremen		- N�rnberg		3:0
Dresden		- Frankfurt		0:2
M�nchen		- Uerdingen		2:0
Dortmund	- Bochum		1:0
M�nchengladbach	- Karlsruhe		3:1
Saarbr�cken	- Leverkusen		3:1
Stuttgart	- Hamburg		1:1

                                        Goals   Points
 
     1. FC Bayern M�nchen		38:21	27: 9	
     2. Eintracht Frankfurt		34:19	26:10
     3. SV Werder Bremen		30:17	25:11
     4. BVB Borussia Dortmund		35:25	23:13
     5. Karlsruher SC			38:34	21:15
     6. Bayer 04 Leverkusen		36:24	20:16
     7. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		32:20	20:16
     8. VfB Stuttgart			26:25	20:16
     9. FC Schalke 04			18:23	17:19
    10. 1.FC N�rnberg			16:22	17:19
    11. Hamburger SV			23:24	16:20
    12. 1.FC Saarbr�cken		26:31	16:20
    13. Dynamo Dresden			21:27	16:20
    14. Borussia M�nchengladbach	25:34	15:21
    15. 1.FC K�ln			23:30	13:23
    16. SG Wattenscheid 09		25:35	13:23
    17. Bayer 05 Uerdingen		16:38	11:25
    18. VfL Bochum			18:31	 8:28
    
    Top Scorers
	10  Yeboah	(Frankfurt)
	    Walter	(Stuttgart)
	 9  Chapuisat   (Dortmund)
    	    Kirsten	(Leverkusen)
	    Krieg	(Karlsruhe)
    	    Thom	(Leverkusen)
	    Witeczek	(Kaiserslautern)
	    Rufer	(Bremen)
    
Heiko

First Bundesliga goal for Bernd Hobsch, Werder Bremen's 24 year old new 
purchase from VfB Leipzig (scored 20 goals in 2.Bundesliga this season).
He plays with number 9. It is likely that Bremen's coach-for-a-lifetime
Otto Rehagel once again found a class center forward, following in the
steps of Rudi V�ller and Karlheinz Riedle, who both played Bremen's No 9.
 

Bundesliga 19th day

Bochum		- M�nchengladbach	2:1
N�rnberg	- Stuttgart		3:2
Karlsruhe	- Saarbr�cken		2:2
Schalke		- Dortmund		0:0
Uerdingen	- Wattenscheid		1:1
Kaiserslautern	- M�nchen		1:3
Frankfurt	- K�ln			2:1
Leverkusen	- Bremen		2:2
Hamburg		- Dresden		1:1

                                        Goals   Points
 
     1. FC Bayern M�nchen		41:22	29: 9	
     2. Eintracht Frankfurt		36:20	28:10
     3. SV Werder Bremen		32:19	26:12
     4. BVB Borussia Dortmund		35:25	24:14
     5. Karlsruher SC			40:36	22:16
     6. Bayer 04 Leverkusen		38:26	21:17
     7. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		33:23	20:18
     8. VfB Stuttgart			28:28	20:18
     9. 1.FC N�rnberg			19:24	19:19
    10. FC Schalke 04			18:23	18:20
    11. Hamburger SV			24:25	17:21
    12. 1.FC Saarbr�cken		28:33	17:21
    13. Dynamo Dresden			22:28	17:21
    14. Borussia M�nchengladbach	26:36	15:23
    15. SG Wattenscheid 09		26:36	14:24
    16. 1.FC K�ln			24:32	13:25
    17. Bayer 05 Uerdingen		17:39	12:26
    18. VfL Bochum			20:32	10:28
    
    Top Scorers

	11  Walter	(Stuttgart)
	10  Yeboah	(Frankfurt)
    	    Kirsten	(Leverkusen)
    
Heiko
 

Hi Heiko,

Any chance of finding out what is going on in the 2.bundesliga?

I'm mainly interested in Osnabruck, and how they are doing.

Thanks very much,

Mike

    Fort.K�ln	    - St.Pauli	    2:2
    Oldenburg	    - Mannheim	    2:2
    Stuttgart	    - Jena	    1:1
    Freiburg	    - Remscheid	    1:1
    Leipzig	    - Darmstadt	    2:0
    Wuppertal	    - Hertha	    1:2
    Rostock	    - Meppen	    2:1
    D�sseldorf	    - Duisburg	    1:0
    Hannover	    - Braunschweig  0:1
    Osnabr�ck	    - Mainz	    1:1
    Wolfsburg	    - Chemnitz	    0:0
    Unterhaching    - Homburg	    PP
    
     1. SC Freiburg		64:34	42:16 \ promotion 
     2. VfB Leipzig		42:28	38:20 / spots
     3. MSV Duisburg		41:25	37:21 -- releg agst. 16th of B'liga
     4. SV Waldhof Mannheim	43:36	35:23
     5. Fortuna K�ln		36:22	34:24
     6. FC Jena			46:36	33:25
     7. FC Hansa Rostock	40:30	32:26
     8. Hertha BSC Berlin	50:37	31:27
     9. Chemnitzer FC		37:34	30:28
    10. SV Meppen		23:28	30:28
    11. Wuppertaler SV		37:31	28:30
    12. Stuttgarter Kickers	36:37	28:30
    13. FC Homburg		33:37	27:29
    14. VfL Wolfsburg		46:49	27:31
    15. Hannover 96		38:44	27:31
    16. FSV Mainz 05		32:40	27:31
    17. FC St.Pauli		30:33	26:32
    18. Eintracht Braunschweig	48:54	25:33 -
    19. VfL Osnabr�ck		38:44	25:33  \
    20. VfB Oldenburg		42:64	24:34   \
    21. SpVgg. Unterhaching	36:46	23:33    }- relegation spots
    22. SV Darmstadt 98		27:42	23:35   /
    23. FC Remscheid		32:49	23:35  /
    24. Fortuna D�sseldorf	26:43	19:39 -
    
    Heiko
    

Heiko,

Thanks very much. Not too good for Osnabruck, eh?

What are their chances of staying up?

Mike

    Hi there.
    
    Over the last couple of years, Osnabr�ck have always had problems but
    managed to stay in 2.Bundesliga after all. But it has never looked as
    bad as this season I presume. I don't know about their players and
    their coach, though.
    
    Besides, Braunschweig, St.Pauli, Oldenburg and Wolfsburg just *have* to
    stay up, so I guess there's not too much space left :-)
    
    Anyway, if they really have to go down, they have an excellent chance
    of coming back (into the 2.Bundesliga Promotion round, at least) next 
    season, because the opposition in 'Oberliga Nord' is considerably weak.
    
    Rgds,
    	Heiko

Bundesliga 21st day

Kaiserslautern		- Dortmund		0:0
Hamburg			- K�ln			3:0
Schalke			- Saarbr�cken		2:2
Bochum			- Bremen		2:0
Karlsruhe		- Stuttgart		1:1
Uerdingen		- M�nchengladbach	1:3
Frankfurt		- Wattenscheid		4:1
Dresden			- M�nchen		0:0
Leverkusen		- N�rnberg		2:1



                                        Goals   Points
 
     1. FC Bayern M�nchen		42:22	32:10	
     2. Eintracht Frankfurt		40:22	30:12
     3. SV Werder Bremen		35:21	28:14
     4. BVB Borussia Dortmund		37:25	27:15
     5. Bayer 04 Leverkusen		43:27	25:17
     6. Karlsruher SC			41:40	23:19
     7. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		33:24	21:21
     8. VfB Stuttgart			29:32	21:21
     9. 1.FC N�rnberg			21:26	21:21
    10. Hamburger SV			27:26	19:23
    11. 1.FC Saarbr�cken		31:36	19:23
    12. Borussia M�nchengladbach	31:37	19:23
    13. FC Schalke 04			20:27	19:23
    14. Dynamo Dresden			23:31	18:24
    15. SG Wattenscheid 09		28:40	16:26
    16. 1.FC K�ln			27:36	15:27
    17. VfL Bochum			23:33	13:29
    18. Bayer 05 Uerdingen		18:44	12:30
   
    Top Scorers

    	12  Kirsten	(Leverkusen)
	11  Walter	(Stuttgart)
	10  Yeboah	(Frankfurt)
	    Rufer	(Bremen)
	    Thom	(Leverkusen)

Heiko
 

    
    An update for the Osnabr�ck supporter(s) out there ....
    
    Fortuna K�ln	- Darmstadt	4:0
    Hannover		- Leipzig	1:1
    Wuppertal		- Braunschweig	0:1
    Rostock		- St.Pauli	2:0
    D�sseldorf		- Homburg	0:1
    Stuttgart Kick.	- Mainz		1:2
    Freiburg		- Mannheim	1:2
    Wolfsburg		- Jena		2:1
    Chemnitz		- Remscheid	2:0
    Unterhaching	- Hertha BSC	2:1
    Osnabr�ck		- Meppen	3:0
    Oldenburg		- Duisburg	0:1
    
     1. SC Freiburg		66:37	43:19
     2. MSV Duisburg		44:25	41:21 
     3. VfB Leipzig		44:30	40:22
     4. SV Waldhof Mannheim	48:37	39:23
     5. Fortuna K�ln		41:24	36:26
     6. FC Hansa Rostock	42:30	35:27
     7. FC Jena			48:39	34:28
     8. Hertha BSC Berlin	53:40	33:29
     9. Chemnitzer FC		41:37	32:30
    10. FSV Mainz 05		37:42	31:31
    11. FC Homburg		34:37	30:30
    12. VfL Wolfsburg		50:52	30:32
    13. Hannover 96		42:47	30:32
    14. SV Meppen		23:33	30:32
    15. Wuppertaler SV		37:32	29:33
    16. FC St.Pauli		33:36	28:34
    17. Eintracht Braunschweig	50:55	28:34
    18. Stuttgarter Kickers	37:42	28:34
    19. VfL Osnabr�ck		41:46	27:35
    20. SpVgg. Unterhaching	39:50	25:35
    21. FC Remscheid		34:53	24:38
    22. SV Darmstadt 98		27:46	24:38
    23. VfB Oldenburg		42:68	24:38
    24. Fortuna D�sseldorf	28:44	21:41
    
    
    Next matches:
    	St.Pauli - D�sseldorf
    	Homburg	 - Osnabr�ck
    	Hertha   - Rostock
    Heiko

Heiko,

Thanks very much. A good result for Osnabruck.

Maybe we can avoid the drop yet. 8-)

Mike

Heiko,

Thanks for getting the 2. info for us - I'm going to have tio have a bet with 
Mike that Darmstadt will finish above Osnabruck (now there's a competition to 
set everyone talking)

g

Bundesliga 22nd day

Saarbr�cken	- Uerdingen		3:3
Wattenscheid	- Dresden		2:1
N�rnberg	- Karlsruhe		0:0
M�nchengladbach	- Kaiserslautern	2:2
Bremen		- Schalke		2:0
Stuttgart	- Bochum		4:1
M�nchen		- K�ln			3:0
Leverkusen	- Hamburg		1:1
Dortmund	- Frankfurt		3:0


                                        Goals   Points
 
     1. FC Bayern M�nchen		45:22	34:10	
     2. SV Werder Bremen		37:21	30:14
     3. Eintracht Frankfurt		40:25	30:14
     4. BVB Borussia Dortmund		40:25	29:15
     5. Bayer 04 Leverkusen		44:28	26:18
     6. Karlsruher SC			41:40	24:20
     7. VfB Stuttgart			33:33	23:21
     8. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		35:26	22:22
     9. 1.FC N�rnberg			21:26	22:22
    10. Hamburger SV			28:27	20:24
    11. 1.FC Saarbr�cken		34:39	20:24
    12. Borussia M�nchengladbach	33:39	20:24
    13. FC Schalke 04			20:29	19:25
    14. Dynamo Dresden			24:34	18:26
    15. SG Wattenscheid 09		30:41	18:26
    16. 1.FC K�ln			27:39	15:29
    17. VfL Bochum			24:37	13:31
    18. Bayer 05 Uerdingen		21:47	13:31
   
    Top Scorers

    	12  Kirsten	(Leverkusen)
	    Walter	(Stuttgart)
	10  Yeboah	(Frankfurt)
	    Rufer	(Bremen)
	    Thom	(Leverkusen)
	    Witeczek	(Kaiserslautern)
Heiko
 

    
    Braunschweig	- Fort.K�ln		3:0
    St.Pauli		- D�sseldorf		2:1
    Homburg		- Osnabr�ck		3:0
    Hertha		- Rostock		5:1
    Darmstadt		- Unterhaching		1:3
    Jena		- Chemnitz		0:0
    Mannheim		- Wolfsburg		2:1
    Mainz		- Freiburg		0:2
    Remscheid		- Hannover		0:3
    Duisburg		- Stuttgart Kick.	1:1
    Meppen		- Oldenburg		2:0
    Leipzig		- Wuppertal		3:0
    
     1. SC Freiburg		68:37	45:19
     2. MSV Duisburg		45:26	42:22 
     3. VfB Leipzig		47:30	42:22
     4. SV Waldhof Mannheim	50:38	41:23
     5. Fortuna K�ln		41:27	36:28
     6. Hertha BSC Berlin	58:41	35:29
     7. FC Jena			48:39	35:29
     8. FC Hansa Rostock	43:35	35:29
     9. Chemnitzer FC		41:37	33:31
    10. FC Homburg		37:38	32:30
    11. Hannover 96		45:47	32:32
    12. SV Meppen		25:33	32:32
    13. FSV Mainz 05		37:44	31:33
    14. Eintracht Braunschweig	53:55	30:34
    15. FC St.Pauli		35:37	30:34
    16. VfL Wolfsburg		51:54	30:34
    17. Wuppertaler SV		37:35	29:35
    18. Stuttgarter Kickers	38:43	29:35
    19. SpVgg. Unterhaching	42:51	27:35
    20. VfL Osnabr�ck		42:49	27:39
    21. SV Darmstadt 98		28:49	24:40
    22. FC Remscheid		34:56	24:40
    23. VfB Oldenburg		42:70	24:40
    24. Fortuna D�sseldorf	29:46	21:43
    
    Trends:
    	First victory for Freiburg after 5 matches - they were 7 pts clear
    	before the winter break.
    	19:3 points in a row for Hertha BSC.
    	10:2 points in a row for FC Homburg.
    	Third win out of 4 matches for Unterhaching.
    
    Heiko
    

Graham,

Well, after both Osnabruck and Darmstadt garnered a mighty zero points from
the weekend, it looks like both teams are in a bit of trouble. Osnabruck will
finish above you though. 8-)

The question is: will it matter because both are likely to plummet into
footballing obscurity next season anyway. 8-(

Doncaster Rovers, Osnabruck; I can't half pick 'em!

Mike

Bundesliga 23rd day

Bochum		-   N�rnberg		4:0
Uerdingen	-   Bremen		0:2
Schalke		-   Stuttgart		1:0
Kaiserslautern	-   Saarbr�cken		1:1
Frankfurt	-   M�nchengladbach	1:3
Dresden		-   Dortmund		3:0
K�ln		-   Wattenscheid	3:0
Karlsruhe	-   Leverkusen		1:1
Hamburg		-   M�nchen		3:1

                                        Goals   Points
 
     1. FC Bayern M�nchen		46:24	34:12	
     2. SV Werder Bremen		39:21	32:14
     3. Eintracht Frankfurt		41:28	30:16
     4. BVB Borussia Dortmund		40:28	29:17
     5. Bayer 04 Leverkusen		45:29	27:19
     6. Karlsruher SC			42:41	25:21
     7. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		37:28	23:23
     8. VfB Stuttgart			33:34	23:23
     9. Hamburger SV			31:28	22:24
    10. Borussia M�nchengladbach	36:40	22:24
    11. 1.FC N�rnberg			21:30	22:24
    12. 1.FC Saarbr�cken		35:40	21:25
    13. FC Schalke 04			21:29	21:25
    14. Dynamo Dresden			27:34	20:26
    15. SG Wattenscheid 09		30:44	18:28
    16. 1.FC K�ln			30:39	17:29
    17. VfL Bochum			28:37	15:31
    18. Bayer 05 Uerdingen		21:49	13:33
   
    Top Scorers

    	12  Kirsten	(Leverkusen)
	    Walter	(Stuttgart)
	    Rufer	(Bremen)
Heiko
 

    Chemnitz		- Mannheim		1:1
    Fort.K�ln		- Leipzig		0:1
    Hannover		- Wuppertal		2:1
    Rostock		- Darmstadt		2:0
    D�sseldorf		- Hertha BSC		1:3
    Oldenburg		- Homburg		2:2
    Stuttgarter K.	- Meppen		0:0
    Remscheid		- Jena			2:0
    Unterhaching	- Braunschweig		0:0
    Osnabr�ck		- St.Pauli		2:2
    Freiburg		- Duisburg		3:1
    Wolfsburg		- Mainz			1:1
    
     1. SC Freiburg		71:38	47:19
     2. VfB Leipzig		48:30	44:22
     2. MSV Duisburg		46:29	42:24 R
     4. SV Waldhof Mannheim	51:39	42:24
     5. Hertha BSC Berlin	61:42	37:29
     6. FC Hansa Rostock	45:35	37:29 R
     7. Fortuna K�ln		41:28	36:30
     8. FC Jena			48:41	35:31
     9. Chemnitzer FC		42:38	34:32
    10. Hannover 96		47:48	34:32
    11. FC Homburg		39:41	33:33
    12. SV Meppen		25:33	33:33
    13. FSV Mainz 05		38:44	32:34
    14. Eintracht Braunschweig	53:55	31:35
    15. FC St.Pauli		37:39	31:35
    16. VfL Wolfsburg		52:55	31:35 P
    17. Stuttgarter Kickers	38:43	30:36 R
    18. SpVgg. Unterhaching	43:51	30:36 P
    19. Wuppertaler SV		38:37	29:37 P
    20. VfL Osnabr�ck		44:51	28:38     +------------------------
    21. FC Remscheid		36:56	26:40     |   (from memory)
    22. VfB Oldenburg		44:72	25:41 P   |P:  Promoted in 91/92
    23. SV Darmstadt 98		28:51	24:42     |    Oberliga ->  2.Liga
    24. Fortuna D�sseldorf	30:49	21:43 R   |R:  Relegated in 91/92
                                                  |    Bundesiga -> 2.Liga
    
    Trends:
    	21:3 points in a row for Hertha BSC.
    	Four wins out of 6 matches for Unterhaching, up from 23th, 17th
    		would be the first non-relegation spot.
    
    With 13 more matches to go, the promotion seems to be a 4 horse race,
    maybe 5 - if Hertha BSC can keep their excellent form. Duisburg and
    Mannheim have been 'Fahrstuhl' (elevator) teams in the last decade(s),
    going up and down every other year. Freiburg has never ever played in
    the Bundesliga, neither has VfB Leipzig. Leipzig, however, has played
    in the former GDRs first division under the name of Lokomotive Leipzig
    until the name changed to VfB and playing continued in the 2.Bundesliga
    after the merger. 

Re .-2

	do Frankfurt not WANT to win the title?!!

g

    German Cup 1st semifinal
    
    Eintracht Frankfurt	- Bayer 04 Leverkusen
    		0	-	3
    
    				Thom 6'
    				Kirsten ~75'
    				Thom ~80'
    
    Right after the match Dragoslav Stepanovic, coach of Eintracht
    Frankfurt, announced he would step down, although Frankfurt's
    management had previously stated they didn't see any reason to consider
    changing or suspending to coach.
    
    Stepanovic is probably the most interesting and courageous coach
    Germany has seen in the last decade. He came from lowly Eintracht Trier
    (3rd Div) and managed to field new, unknown, but very skillful players
    about every month. Okocha, Schmitt, Ancic. As the (good) TV
    Commentatory (sp) put it, "The magician has finally run out of tricks".
    
    This evening it is 
    	Chemnitzer FC  - Hertha BSC Amateurs
       (2.Liga)		 (Oberliga)
    
    If the Amateurs manage to win, it would be the first time ever, that a 
    non professional team reaches the cup final, which is btw always held
    in Berlin.
    
    So that would perfectly match the rule that amateur teams, when
    playing against professionals, will automatically have the advantage 
    of being the home team.
    
    Heiko
    

    
    German Cup Semifinal
    
    Hertha BSC Amateurs		- Chemnizter FC
    (Oberliga Ost-Mitte)	  (2.Bundesliga)
    
    
    
    			    4' Ramelow
    
    			1	-	0
    
    			   22' Meyer
    
    			2	-	0
    
    			   36' Heidrich
    
    			2	-	1
    
    			   Halftime
    
    			   Final Whistle
    56,000 fans celebrate the first amateur team to reach the DFB Cup
    final. Probably one of the greatest successes for a team from Berlin as
    well. 
    
    Looking forward to an interesting Cup-Final
    
    		Hertha BSC (A)	-   Bayer 04 Leverkusen
    
    Heiko
    

are the Hertha team real amateurs, or are they semi-professional non-league ? 
I saw most of the game on tv, and they didn't appear to be outclassed in any way
- in fact Chemnitzer looked more disorganised, especially the marking of their
defenders for the two goals.

How far below professional league level is the league that Hertha play in, and
how are they doing ? Is there any promotion/relegation to and from non-league
football (the way there is in England for teams winning the Conference) ?

     Ray

ps when's the final ?

    
    A quick overview:
    
    	1.Bundesliga	18 teams	well paid, bonuses
                
    		(2 or 3 up and down)
    
    	2.Bundesliga    24 teams	fully paid, bonuses
                        to be reduced to 20 teams
    
     		(7 going down)
    
       Amateuroberliga			players usually follow a profession
    					but are being paid for playing.
    					Depends on the generosity of the
    					sponsor, mainly.
    
    The are ~10 Oberligas. The top teams, 1st and 2nd for those leagues
    that cover a wide region, otherwise 1st only, form 3 promotion groups
    of 4 teams each. The play a round robin and the three winners of the 
    promotion groups will be promoted to 2.Bundesliga.
    
    	Verbandsliga			see Oberliga. 
    
    	one for each the 
    	federal states
    
    Promotion to Oberliga Nord: Top 1 & 2 of Verbandliga Bremen, Hamburg,
    Niedersachsen and Schleswig-Holstein play in 2 groups.
    
    
    Hertha BSC Pros are playing in 2.Bundesliga, currently 6th and on a 
    winning run (21:3 pts).
    
    Hertha BSC are midfield of Oberliga Ost-Mitte, I think. 
    
    HTH,
    	Heiko
    

   I hope they go all the way now...... I believe the average age of the team
is 20, and I know the keeper is only 16. Btw on sunday 220 people turned up to
see them play a league game....... Who said fairytales don't come true......

                                                           -dave-

Wattenscheid	    - M�nchen		2:0
Saarbr�cken	    - Frankfurt		1:1
M�nchengladbach	    - Dresden		5:1
Stuttgart	    - Uerdingen		1:2 
Bremen		    - Kaiserslautern	1:0
Karlsruhe	    - Hamburg		1:0
Dortmund	    - K�ln		4:1
N�rnberg	    - Schalke		1:4
Leverkusen	    - Bochum		3:1

                                        Goals   Points
 
     1. FC Bayern M�nchen		46:27	34:14	
     2. SV Werder Bremen		40:21	34:14
     3. BVB Borussia Dortmund		44:29	31:17
     4. Eintracht Frankfurt		41:28	31:17
     5. Bayer 04 Leverkusen		48:30	29:19
     6. Karlsruher SC			43:41	27:21
     7. Borussia M�nchengladbach	41:41	24:24
     8. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		37:29	23:25
     9. VfB Stuttgart			34:36	23:25
    10. FC Schalke 04			25:30	23:25
    11. Hamburger SV			31:29	22:26
    12. 1.FC Saarbr�cken		36:41	22:26
    13. 1.FC N�rnberg			22:34	22:26
    14. Dynamo Dresden			28:38	20:28
    15. SG Wattenscheid 09		32:44	20:28
    16. 1.FC K�ln			31:43	17:31
    17. VfL Bochum			29:40	15:33
    18. Bayer 05 Uerdingen		23:50	13:33
   
    Top Scorers

    	14  Kirsten	(Leverkusen)
	12  Walter	(Stuttgart)
	    Rufer	(Bremen)
	11  Chapuisat   (Dortmund)


    Bayern could only stay on top because of the higher number of goals shot.
    M�nchengladbach are still on a great run, with 11:3 pts and 19:8 goals
    in 1993.
    The only team that is still undefeated in 1993 is FC Saarbr�cken.
    Pierre Littbarski had his 400th Bundesliga appearance.

    Next Week:
	M�nchen   (1)	- Dortmund (3)
	Frankfurt (4)	- Bremen   (2)
Heiko
 

    Braunschweig	- Rostock		1:1
    Jena		- Hannover		1:1
    Duisburg		- Wolfsburg		3:0
    Mannheim		- Remscheid		2:0
    Mainz		- Chemnitz		1:2
    Meppen		- Freiburg		3:1
    Leipzig		- Unterhaching		2:1
    Homburg		- Stuttgarter K.	3:0
    St.Pauli		- Oldenburg		1:0
    Hertha		- Osnabr�ck		4:0
    Darmstadt		- D�sseldorf		0:1
    Wuppertal		- Fort. K�ln		1:2
    
     1. SC Freiburg		72:41	47:21
     2. VfB Leipzig		50:31	46:22
     3. MSV Duisburg		49:29	44:24 
     4. SV Waldhof Mannheim	53:39	44:24
     5. Hertha BSC Berlin	65:42	39:29
     6. Fortuna K�ln		43:29	38:30
     7. FC Hansa Rostock	46:36	38:30 
     8. FC Jena			49:42	36:32
     9. Chemnitzer FC		45:40	36:32
    10. FC Homburg		42:41	35:33
    11. Hannover 96		48:49	35:33
    12. SV Meppen		28:34	35:33
    13. FC St.Pauli		38:39	33:35
    14. Eintracht Braunschweig	54:56	32:36
    15. FSV Mainz 05		39:46	32:36
    16. VfL Wolfsburg		52:58	31:37
    17. Stuttgarter Kickers	38:46	30:38
    18. SpVgg. Unterhaching	44:53	30:38
    19. Wuppertaler SV		39:39	29:39
    20. VfL Osnabr�ck		44:55	28:40
    21. FC Remscheid		36:58	26:42
    22. VfB Oldenburg		44:73	25:43
    23. SV Darmstadt 98		28:52	24:44
    24. Fortuna D�sseldorf	31:49	23:45
    
    
    Heiko
    

Bundesliga	25th day ( 9 to go)

Schalke		- Leverkusen		2:1
Uerdingen	- N�rnberg		2:1
Kaiserslautern	- Stuttgart		0:0
M�nchen		- Dortmund		2:0
Dresden		- Saarbr�cken		0:0
K�ln		- M�nchengladbach	1:2
Hamburg		- Wattenscheid		1:1
Bochum		- Karlsruhe		2:2
Frankfurt	- Bremen		3:0

                                        Goals   Points
 
     1. FC Bayern M�nchen		48:27	36:14	
     2. SV Werder Bremen		40:24	34:16
     3. Eintracht Frankfurt		44:28	33:17
     4. BVB Borussia Dortmund		44:31	31:19
     5. Bayer 04 Leverkusen		49:32	29:21
     6. Karlsruher SC			45:43	28:22
     7. Borussia M�nchengladbach	43:42	26:24
     8. FC Schalke 04			27:31	25:25
     9. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		37:29	24:26
    10. VfB Stuttgart			34:36	24:26
    11. Hamburger SV			32:30	23:27
    12. 1.FC Saarbr�cken		35:40	23:27
    13. 1.FC N�rnberg			23:36	22:28
    14. Dynamo Dresden			28:38	21:29
    15. SG Wattenscheid 09		33:45	21:29
    16. 1.FC K�ln			32:45	17:33
    17. Bayer 05 Uerdingen		25:51	17:33
    18. VfL Bochum			31:42	16:34
   
    Top Scorers

    	14  Kirsten	(Leverkusen)
	12  Walter	(Stuttgart)
	    Rufer	(Bremen)
	11  Chapuisat   (Dortmund)
	    Yeboah	(Frankfurt)

    M�nchengladbach are still on a great run, with 13:3 pts and 21:9 goals
    in 1993.
    The only team that is still undefeated in 1993 is FC Saarbr�cken.
    Holger Aden, still leading the 2.Bundesliga Scorers-Table made his
    3rd and 4th goal for Bochum.

Heiko
 

    (from memory)
    Jena		- Mannheim		1:0
    Unterhaching	- Wuppertal		0:0
    Homburg		- Freiburg		2:2
    Stuttgart K.	- St.Pauli		4:0
    Rostock		- Leipzig		2:0
    Osnabr�ck		- Darmstadt		3:1
    Oldenburg		- Hertha		1:1
    
     1. SC Freiburg		74:43	48:22
     2. VfB Leipzig		50:33	46:24
     3. MSV Duisburg		50:33	44:26 
     4. SV Waldhof Mannheim	53:40	44:26
     5. Hertha BSC Berlin	66:43	40:30
     6. FC Hansa Rostock	48:36	40:30 
     7. Fortuna K�ln		43:29	39:31
     8. FC Jena			50:42	38:32
     9. Chemnitzer FC		48:40	38:32
    10. FC Homburg		44:43	36:34
    11. Hannover 96		48:49	36:34
    12. SV Meppen		28:34	36:34
    13. FSV Mainz 05		40:46	34:36
    14. FC St.Pauli		38:43	33:37
    15. Eintracht Braunschweig	54:58	32:38
    16. Stuttgarter Kickers	42:46	32:38
    17. VfL Wolfsburg		52:58	32:38
    18. SpVgg. Unterhaching	44:53	31:39
    19. Wuppertaler SV		39:39	30:40
    20. VfL Osnabr�ck		47:56	30:40
    21. FC Remscheid		36:59	26:44
    22. VfB Oldenburg		45:74	26:44
    23. Fortuna D�sseldorf	33:49	25:45
    24. SV Darmstadt 98		29:55	24:46
    
    heiko

    Hello,
    
         I will be in Munich on the weekend of the 24th April, do 
    Bayern have a game at home this weekend that I could go to ???????
    
    Also what is the likely cost of the ticket?
    
    Thanks for any info .... Sandy

    
    	Probably not, I think they are playing Bremen away live on the box 2
    days later.
    
    
    		Steve

    According to my paper Bayern are playing Saarbr�cken at home on 
    Friday, kickoff 20.00, 23rd April.
    
    Heiko

Bundesliga	26th day ( 8 to go)

N�rnberg	- Kaiserslautern	0:0
Bremen		- Dresden		3:0
Bochum		- Hamburg		1:2
Dortmund	- Wattenscheid		6:0
Stuttgart	- Frankfurt		2:2
Leverkusen	- Uerdingen		1:0
Karlsruhe	- Schalke		0:0
M�nchengladbach	- M�nchen		2:2
Saarbr�cken	- K�ln			0:3 

                                        Goals   Points
 
     1. FC Bayern M�nchen		50:29	37:15	
     2. SV Werder Bremen		43:24	36:16
     3. Eintracht Frankfurt		46:30	34:18
     4. BVB Borussia Dortmund		50:31	33:19
     5. Bayer 04 Leverkusen		50:32	31:21
     6. Karlsruher SC			45:43	29:23
     7. Borussia M�nchengladbach	45:44	27:25
     8. FC Schalke 04			27:31	26:26
     9. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		36:28	25:27
    10. Hamburger SV			34:31	25:27
    11. VfB Stuttgart			36:38	25:27
    12. 1.FC Saarbr�cken		35:43	23:29
    13. 1.FC N�rnberg			23:36	23:29
    14. Dynamo Dresden			28:41	21:31
    15. SG Wattenscheid 09		33:51	21:31
    16. 1.FC K�ln			35:45	19:33
    17. Bayer 05 Uerdingen		25:52	17:35
    18. VfL Bochum			32:44	16:36
   
    Top Scorers

    	14  Kirsten	(Leverkusen)
	    Chapuisat   (Dortmund)
	13  Walter	(Stuttgart)
	12  Rufer	(Bremen)
	    Yeboah	(Frankfurt)

Bundesliga	27th day ( 7 to go)

Wattenscheid	- M�nchengladbach	3:1
M�nchen		- Saarbr�cken		6:0
K�ln		- Bremen		0:0
Dresden		- Stuttgart		0:0
Hamburg		- Dortmund		1:2
Schalke		- Bochum		0:3
Uerdingen	- Karlsruhe		1:1
Kaiserslautern	- Leverkusen		4:0
Frankfurt	- N�rnberg		0:0

                                        Goals   Points
 
     1. FC Bayern M�nchen		56:29	39:15	
     2. SV Werder Bremen		43:24	37:17
     3. BVB Borussia Dortmund		52:32	35:19
     4. Eintracht Frankfurt		46:30	35:19
     5. Bayer 04 Leverkusen		50:36	31:23
     6. Karlsruher SC			46:44	30:24
     7. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		40:28	27:27
     8. Borussia M�nchengladbach	46:47	27:27
     9. VfB Stuttgart			36:38	26:28
    10. FC Schalke 04			27:34	26:28
    11. Hamburger SV			35:33	25:29
    12. 1.FC N�rnberg			23:36	24:30
    13. 1.FC Saarbr�cken		35:49	23:31
    14. SG Wattenscheid 09		36:52	23:31
    15. Dynamo Dresden			28:41	22:32
    16. 1.FC K�ln			35:45	20:34
    17. VfL Bochum			35:44	18:36
    17. Bayer 05 Uerdingen		26:53	18:36
   
    Top Scorers

    	14  Kirsten	(Leverkusen)
	    Chapuisat   (Dortmund)
	13  Walter	(Stuttgart)
	12  Rufer	(Bremen)
	    Yeboah	(Frankfurt)

First away victory for VfL Bochum, a team that is often called 
"The Unrelegateables". In their 20 years of Bundesliga experience, Bochum
has never finished better than 8th, but has very often fought against
relegation, with a 100% success rate so far. Holger Aden of Bochum has now
scored 7 goals in the last 4 matches. Together with his 19 goals for Wolfsburg
in the 2.Bundesliga this makes him the best scorer in Germany's professional
football.

Rumour has it that Bernd Schuster (Ex Barca, Real and Atletico) will play for 
Bayer Leverkusen next season.

Austria's international Werner Herzog of Werder Bremen was injured on Friday,
his appearance at tonights clash of the titans against Bayern is very doubtful.
Raimond Aumann, Bayern's No.1 goalkeeper will also be denied to play, as his
bad tooth has to be treated with a substance that falls under the German 
anti-doping laws.

Tonight:
	Werder - Bayern
Tue:
	Stuttgart - K�ln, Saarbr�cken - Wattenscheid, Leverkusen - Frankfurt,
	Karlsruhe - Kaiserslautern, Bochum - Uerdingen, M'gladbach - Dortmund
Wed:
	N�rnberg - Dresden, Schalke - Hamburg

Heiko

    
    2.Bundesliga	37th day (9 to go)
    
    Hannover 	- Unterhaching	1:1
    Stuttgart K.- Darmstadt	3:0
    Osnabr�ck	- Leipzig	1:1
    Oldenburg	- Braunschweig	1:0
    Wolfsburg	- St.Pauli	2:2
    Chemnitz	- Homburg	2:1
    Remscheid	- Meppen	2:1
    Jena	- Duisburg	2:2
    Mannheim	- Mainz		1:0
    Rostock	- F.K�ln	1:2
    D�sseldorf	- Wuppertal	0:0
    Freiburg	- Hertha	4:2
    
     1. SC Freiburg		79:45	52:22
     2. VfB Leipzig		51:34	48:26
     3. SV Waldhof Mannheim	55:40	48:26
     4. MSV Duisburg		57:35	47:27
     5. Fortuna K�ln		47:30	43:31
     6. Hertha BSC Berlin	69:48	41:33
     7. FC Hansa Rostock	49:40	40:34
     8. Chemnitzer FC		50:43	40:34
     9. FC Jena			52:46	39:35
    10. FC Homburg		46:45	38:36
    11. SV Meppen		31:36	38:36
    12. Hannover 96		49:51	37:37
    13. FSV Mainz 05		42:47	36:38
    14. Stuttgarter Kickers	46:47	35:39
    15. Eintracht Braunschweig	55:59	34:40
    16. FC St.Pauli		40:46	34:40
    17. Wuppertaler SV		41:39	33:41
    18. VfL Wolfsburg		54:61	33:41
    19. SpVgg Unterhaching	45:56	32:42
    20. VfL Osnabr�ck		48:48	31:43
    21. FC Remscheid		38:65	28:46
    22. VfB Oldenburg		46:76	28:46
    23. Fortuna D�sseldorf	33:49	27:47
    24. SV Darmstadt 98		31:58	26:48
    
    Heiko			

    Werder Bremen Vs. Munchen, live on telly tonight.........

which channel ?

what time ?

         ray

    SAT-1 @ 19:55, so I reckon the game starts at 20:00/20:15.
    
    	- Robin

    
    28th day	Part I		(6 to go)
    
    SV Werder Bremen	4 - 1	FC Bayern M�nchen
    		       (1 - 1)
    Rufer (2)			Ziege
    Herzog
    Hobsch
    
    League table:
     1. FC Bayern M�nchen		57:33 (+24)	39:17	
     2. SV Werder Bremen		47:25 (+22)	39:17
    
    A very entertaining match. The saddest things IMO were that it took
    two very debatable (MHO again) penalties to get Werder going and that
    Bayern couldn't keep up their excellent passing play throughout the
    entire game.
    
    Bayern started very well, with an excellent Mehmet Scholl controlling
    the game from the Bayern midfield. Some really superb passes which could
    have made Uwe Bein envious. I still can't imagine that this guy had to 
    wait on the Bayern bench for 2/3 of the season to get his chance. We
    all know how good he was at Karlsruhe. One of these passes had
    Christian Ziege running unattacked (or even unnoticed) into Werder's
    box, tunneling (what was the english term?) Oli Reck to make it 0-1.
    Just about 5 minutes later almost the same situation, a sidestep from
    Scholl making two Werder defenders look really bad, but this time
    Reck wouldn't move too early and superbly save Ziege's shot. All in
    all it was Oliver Reck who kept Bremen in the match with a handful of
    good saves. Near the end of the first half, when the whole Bayern
    defense was cumulated in the box and the Werder forwards standing
    around undecidedly, Herzog courageously grabbed the ball and simply
    rushed into the box. Being tackled by Ziege he fell, and from my point
    of view, he was being touched - but could have run further as well. He
    fell. Rufer took the penalty, 1-1.
    
    The first remarkable event in tha second half was a long pass to
    Herzog, running free and unattacked into the box, trying to curve
    around the junior Bayern keeper. At first it looked like he was being
    tackled by him, but in the slo-mo, I had the impression, the keeper
    didn't even touch Herzog. Anyway, Rufer took the pen, 2-1. Meanwhile 
    Wohlfahrt had substituted Labbadia in Bayerns attack. He missed his
    great chance, when a shot on Werder's goal was deflected, unreachable
    for Reck. Wohlfahrt chasing after the ball, it looks like a good goal
    anyway, but then -huh- the ball hits the post. Wohlfahrt has alread reached
    the danger zone as well, but the ball returns in s slightly
    different angle, and Wohlfahrt being so close that he doesn't have
    enough time to react, simply runs past the ball. Bayern then tried to
    put even more pressure on Bremen, but Bremen's defense had improved,
    giving them the chances for fast-breaks in their own stadium. Most
    of them were saved by Bayern's good goalie. A mistake from Thon in midfield
    left Bode and Herzog alone on their way to the goal, and after Bode had
    attracted Thon close enough, he passed to Herzog, who made it 3-1 with
    a spectacular 18-m volley. Near the end of the match Werder's attacks 
    became more and more frequent, and finally Hobsch would make his well
    deserved goal to make it 4-1. 
    
    It could have been 6-1. It could have been 4-4. It should have been
    3-2.
    
    Heiko
    

    

    

    
    	Nice report Heiko. I would second nearly all of what you said.
    Great game, played at tremendous pace, really end-to-end stuff (bit
    like an English game in this respect). 
    
    	Excellent skill from Scholl in the first half. Only Erich Riebec
    (sp?) knows why he hasn't been playing all year. Although I think that
    Bremen were better in the 1st half than many people give them credit
    for. They came close to scoring on several occasions, but Bayern were
    the more dangerous.
    
    	The penalties? Hmmm, sorry to say this Heiko but I think that these
    sort of incidents happen far to often in the Bundesliga, the first was
    50/50, the second was a blatant dive! And I was supporting Bremen!
    Having said that Herzog was excellent again.
    
    			Steve

Bundesliga	28th day ( 6 to go)

Bremen		- M�nchen	    4:1
Stuttgart	- K�ln		    2:0
Saarbr�cken	- Wattenscheid	    0:1
Leverkusen	- Frankfurt	    1:1
Karlsruhe	- Kaiserslautern    1:1
Bochum		- Uerdingen	    4:1
M�nchengladbach - Dortmund	    0:3
N�rnberg	- Dresden	    0:0
Schalke		- Hamburg	    0:0
                                        Goals   Points
 
     1. FC Bayern M�nchen		57:33	39:17	
     2. SV Werder Bremen		47:25	39:17
     3. BVB Borussia Dortmund		55:32	37:19
     4. Eintracht Frankfurt		47:31	36:20
     5. Bayer 04 Leverkusen		51:37	32:24
     6. Karlsruher SC			47:45	31:25
     7. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		41:29	28:28
     8. VfB Stuttgart			38:38	28:28
     9. Borussia M�nchengladbach	46:50	27:29
    10. FC Schalke 04			27:34	27:29
    11. Hamburger SV			35:33	26:30
    12. 1.FC N�rnberg			23:36	25:31
    13. SG Wattenscheid 09		37:52	25:31
    14. Dynamo Dresden			28:41	23:33
    15. 1.FC Saarbr�cken		35:50	23:33
    16. VfL Bochum			39:45	20:36
    17. 1.FC K�ln			35:47	20:36
    18. Bayer 05 Uerdingen		27:57	18:38
   
    Top Scorers

	15  Chapuisat   (Dortmund)
    	14  Kirsten	(Leverkusen)
	    Rufer	(Bremen)
	13  Walter	(Stuttgart)
	    Yeboah	(Frankfurt)

Bernd Schuster has signed for Bayer Leverkusen next season.




Heiko

    
    	Looks like Bochum are going to do it again!

    
    I think they should. I recall them having 8 points on the plus side,
    18th and 4 or 5 points to 17th rank. And that was not too long ago.
    (check this string if you like :-))
    Holger Aden scored again, btw. That makes it 8 goals in 5 matches.
    
    Uerdingen, Cologne and Saarbr�cken to go down.
    

>> Bundesliga 18th day

>>    13. Dynamo Dresden		21:27	16:20
>>    14. Borussia M�nchengladbach	25:34	15:21  !!!
>>    15. 1.FC K�ln			23:30	13:23
>>    16. SG Wattenscheid 09		25:35	13:23
>>    17. Bayer 05 Uerdingen		16:38	11:25
>>    18. VfL Bochum			18:31	 8:28  ! they're now at
    						       ! 39:45 and 20:36
    
    						last 10 matches:
    							 21:14    12:8
    
    
    have 
    

First Bundesliga goal for Bernd Hobsch, Werder Bremen's 24 year old new 
purchase from VfB Leipzig (scored 20 goals in 2.Bundesliga this season).
He plays with number 9. It is likely that Bremen's coach-for-a-lifetime
Otto Rehagel once again found a class center forward, following in the
steps of Rudi V�ller and Karlheinz Riedle, who both played Bremen's No 9.
 

    

Bundesliga	29th day ( 5 to go)

Dortmund	- Saarbr�cken		3:0
M�nchen		- Stuttgart		5:3
Frankfurt	- Karlsruhe		4:1
Hamburg		- M�nchengladbach	0:2
Dresden		- Leverkusen		2:0
K�ln		- N�rnberg		2:0
Uerdingen	- Schalke		4:2
Kaiserslautern	- Bochum		3:1
Wattenscheid	- Bremen		2:2

                                        Goals   Points
 
     1. FC Bayern M�nchen		62:36	41:17	
     2. SV Werder Bremen		49:27	40:18
     3. BVB Borussia Dortmund		58:32	39:19
     4. Eintracht Frankfurt		51:32	38:20
     5. Bayer 04 Leverkusen		51:39	32:26
     6. Karlsruher SC			48:49	31:27
     7. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		44:30	30:28
     8. Borussia M�nchengladbach	48:50	29:29
     9. VfB Stuttgart			41:43	28:30
    10. FC Schalke 04			29:38	27:31
    11. Hamburger SV			35:35	26:32
    12. SG Wattenscheid 09		39:54	26:32
    13. Dynamo Dresden			30:41	25:33
    14. 1.FC N�rnberg			23:38	25:33
    15. 1.FC Saarbr�cken		35:53	23:35
    16. 1.FC K�ln			37:47	22:36
    17. VfL Bochum			40:48	20:38
    18. Bayer 05 Uerdingen		31:59	20:38
   
    Top Scorers

	15  Chapuisat   (Dortmund)
	    Rufer	(Bremen)
    	14  Kirsten	(Leverkusen)
	    Yeboah	(Frankfurt)
	13  Walter	(Stuttgart)

Pierre Littbarski scored his goals No 2 and 3 for this season in his last
home match for highly endangered FC K�ln. He will leave for Japan on
May 9th.


Heiko

Bundesliga	30th day ( 4 to go)

Schalke		- Kaiserslautern    4:0
Uerdingen	- Hamburg	    0:2
Karlsruhe	- Dresden	    3:1
Bochum		- Frankfurt	    1:0
Saarbr�cken	- M�nchengladbach   0:4
Stuttgart	- Wattenscheid	    4:1
N�rnberg	- M�nchen	    0:0
Leverkusen	- K�ln		    3:0
Bremen		- Dortmund	    1:0

                                        Goals   Points
 
     1. FC Bayern M�nchen		62:36	42:18	
     2. SV Werder Bremen		50:27	42:18
     3. BVB Borussia Dortmund		58:33	39:21
     4. Eintracht Frankfurt		51:33	38:22
     5. Bayer 04 Leverkusen		54:39	34:26
     6. Karlsruher SC			51:50	33:27
     7. Borussia M�nchengladbach	52:50	31:29
     8. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		44:34	30:30
     9. VfB Stuttgart			45:44	30:30
    10. FC Schalke 04			33:38	29:31
    11. Hamburger SV			37:35	28:32
    12. 1.FC N�rnberg			23:38	26:34
    13. SG Wattenscheid 09		40:58	26:34
    14. Dynamo Dresden			31:44	25:35
    15. 1.FC Saarbr�cken		35:57	23:37
    16. VfL Bochum			41:48	22:38
    17. 1.FC K�ln			37:50	22:38
    18. Bayer 05 Uerdingen		31:61	20:40
   
    Top Scorers

    	16  Kirsten	(Leverkusen)
	15  Chapuisat   (Dortmund)
	    Rufer	(Bremen)
	14  Yeboah	(Frankfurt)
	13  Walter	(Stuttgart)
	12  Wegmann	(Bochum)

Pierre Littbarski had his last Bundesliga appearance before leaving to Japan.

Reinhold Hinterberger of N�rnberg had his 100th Bundesliga appearance. His
99th Bundesliga appearance dates back to 1984.

Watch out for Bochum :-)

Dynamo Dresden have supplied wrong data in last year's financial review to
apply for the Bundesliga license. Rumor has it that their punishment will
be a point reduction of 4 points. 

Heiko

Bundesliga	32nd day ( 2 to go)

Hamburg		- Kaiserslautern	2:2
Schalke		- Dresden		2:0
Saarbr�cken	- Bremen		0:4
N�rnberg	- Dortmund		1:2
Uerdingen	- Frankfurt		2:0 (*)
Stuttgart	- M�nchengladbach	3:2
Leverkusen	- Wattenscheid		3:1
Bochum		- K�ln			0:0
Karlsruhe	- M�nchen		4:2

                                        Goals   Points
 
     1. FC Bayern M�nchen		68:41	44:20	
     2. SV Werder Bremen		55:30	44:20
     3. BVB Borussia Dortmund		60:38	41:23
     4. Eintracht Frankfurt		51:38	38:26
     5. Bayer 04 Leverkusen		58:44	36:28
     6. Karlsruher SC			55:54	35:29
     7. VfB Stuttgart			52:46	34:30
     8. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		48:37	33:31
     9. Borussia M�nchengladbach	57:54	33:31
    10. FC Schalke 04			38:38	33:31
    11. Hamburger SV			41:37	31:33
    12. SG Wattenscheid 09		45:62	28:36
    13. Dynamo Dresden			31:46	26:38
    14. 1.FC N�rnberg			25:44	26:38
    15. 1.FC K�ln			39:50	25:39
    16. VfL Bochum			41:48	24:40
    17. 1.FC Saarbr�cken		35:63	23:41
    18. Bayer 05 Uerdingen		34:63	22:42
   
(*) The original scoreline was Uerdingen - Frankfurt 2:5, but for 180 seconds
    Frankfurt fielded a fourth foreigner, which according to the rules of the
    German Football association results in a 2-0 loss.

 
    Top Scorers

    	18  Kirsten	(Leverkusen)
	    Yeboah	(Frankfurt)
	15  Chapuisat   (Dortmund)
	    Rufer	(Bremen)
	13  Walter	(Stuttgart)
	12  Wegmann	(Bochum)

Heiko

    
    Heiko,
    
    you didn't mention Yeboah making 4(!) goals at the
    5 - 2 away-win of Frankfurt in Uerdingen. As this game is being
    cancelled an d now taken as a 2 - 0 for Uerdingen, how will
    Yeboahs goals be marked in th etop-scoring list ?
    
    	Gerd_

    re .-2 (Bundesliga 32nd day)
    
    Did I mention that Yeboah scored 4 of Franfurts 5 goals ?
    
    According to my paper, he will be credidet these goals in the scorers
    table, although these goals will not appear in the league table.
    (cf .-2, Scorers Table)
    
    Kirsten/Yeboah -> 18 each
    
    Heiko

Bundesliga	33rd day ( 1 to go)

Saarbr�cken	- Stuttgart		1:4
Frankfurt	- Kaiserslautern	3:0
Dresden		- Uerdingen		1:1
K�ln		- Schalke		2:1
M�nchen		- Bochum		3:1
Wattenscheid	- Karlsruhe		0:2
Dortmund	- Leverkusen		1:2
M�nchengladbach	- N�rnberg		2:1
Bremen		- Hamburg		5:0

                                        Goals   Points Last Match
 
     1. SV Werder Bremen		60:30	46:20	A: Stuttgart
     2. FC Bayern M�nchen		71:42	46:20	A: Schalke	
     3. BVB Borussia Dortmund		61:40	41:25	A: Karlsruhe
     4. Eintracht Frankfurt		54:38	40:26	A: Hamburg	
     5. Bayer 04 Leverkusen		60:45	38:28	H: M�nchengl.	
     6. Karlsruher SC			57:54	37:29	H: Dortmund	
     7. VfB Stuttgart			56:47	36:30	H: Bremen	
     8. Borussia M�nchengladbach	59:55	35:31	A: Leverkusen
     9. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		48:40	33:33	H: Dresden	
    10. FC Schalke 04			39:40	33:33	H: M�nchen	
    11. Hamburger SV			41:42	31:35	H: Frankfurt
    12. SG Wattenscheid 09		45:64	28:38	A: Bochum
    13. 1.FC K�ln			41:51	27:39	A: Uerdingen
    14. Dynamo Dresden			32:47	27:39	A: Kaiserslautern
    15. 1.FC N�rnberg			26:46	26:40	H: Saarbr�cken
    16. VfL Bochum			42:51	24:42	H: Wattenscheid	
    17. Bayer 05 Uerdingen		35:64	23:43	H: K�ln
    18. 1.FC Saarbr�cken		36:67	23:43	A: N�rnberg
    Top Scorers

    	19  Kirsten	(Leverkusen)
	    Yeboah	(Frankfurt)
	17  Rufer	(Bremen)
	15  Chapuisat   (Dortmund)
	13  Walter	(Stuttgart)
	12  Wegmann	(Bochum)

Hamburgs highest defeat ever against their friends in Bremen puts Bremen in
the pole position, after Bayern Had been leading the table from day #1 to #32.

Saarbr�cken scored again, after 950+ Bundesliga minutes without a single goal.
They are relegated, nevertheless, together with Uerdingen.
Bochums last hope is a victory against Wattenscheid while Saarbr�cken would
have to win in N�rnberg.

A victory against Dortmund would see Karlsruhe in European football for the
first time ever, granted that Leverkusen wins the cupfinal against the
Hertha Amateurs (11.07)

Heiko

2.Bundesliga	45th day (1 to go)

Hannover	- Oldenburg	    2:0
Stuttgart Kick.	- Osnabr�ck	    2:3
Freiburg	- D�sseldorf	    5:1
Chemnitz	- Unterhaching	    4:2
Remscheid	- Fort. K�ln	    2:0
Jena		- Wuppertal	    3:1
Mannheim	- Leipzig	    0:0
Mainz		- Braunschweig	    0:2
Duisburg	- Darmstadt	    1:0
Meppen		- Hertha BSC	    0:0
Homburg		- St.Pauli	    0:0

			Goals	Pts	Last Match
 1. SC Freiburg		100:54	65:25	A: Osnabr�ck
 2. MSV Duisburg	 63:39	58:32	A: Braunschweig
 3. VfB Leipzig		 64:45	56:34	H: Mainz

 4. Waldhof Manheim	 63:49	55:35	A: Wuppertal
 5. Hertha BSC Berlin	 81:55	51:39	H: Homburg  
 6. Fortuna K�ln	 55:42	50:40	H: Jena
 7. Chemnitzer FC	 64:54	50:40	A: Rostock
 8. FC Carl-Zeiss Jena	 64:58	48:42	A: K�ln
 9. Hannover 96		 60:59	48:42	A: St.Pauli
10. FSV Mainz 05	 54:56	46:44	A: Leipzig
11. SV Meppen		 39:43	45:45	A: Darmstadt
12. FC Hansa Rostock	 52:52	44:46	H: Chemnitz
13. Wuppertaler SV	 51:47	43:47	H: Mannheim
14. Stuttgarter Kickers	 58:56	43:47	A: Oldenburg
15. FC Homburg		 50:52	43:47	A: Hertha BSC
16. VfL Wolfsburg	 63:68	43:47	A: D�sseldorf
17. FC St.Pauli		 46:52	41:49	H: Hannover

18. Eintr. Braunschweig	 64:71	41:49	H: Duisburg
19. SpVgg Unterhaching	 55:67	40:50	H: Remscheid
20. VfL Osnabr�ck	 60:70	39:51	H: Freiburg
21. Fortuna D�sseldorf	 44:63	34:56	H: Wolfsburg
22. FC Remscheid	 50:80	33:57	A: Unterhaching
23. VfB Oldenburg	 54:88	32:58	H: Stuttgart
24. SV Darmstadt 98	 43:77	32:58	H: Meppen


Promotion Groups to 2. Bundesliga: (winners get promoted)

Group 1			

1. Tennis Borussia Berlin	6:1	4:0 
2. Union Berlin			4:4	2:2 
3. Bischofswerda		1:6	0:4

Group 2 

1. Rot-Weiss Essen		5:2	4:2
2. Preu�en M�nster		4:2	3:3
3. Eintracht Trier		2:3	3:3
4. VfL Herzlake			1:2	2:4

Group 3

1. TSV 1860 M�nchen		4:1	5:1
2. Kickers Offenbach		1:1	3:3
3. SSV Ulm 46			2:3	3:3
4. 1.SC Norderstedt		1:3	1:5

Heiko

Bundesliga	34th and last  day 

Schalke		- Bayern		3:3

Stuttgart	- Bremen		0:3

Hamburg		- Frankfurt		1:2
N�rnberg	- Saarbr�cken		4:1
Leverkusen	- M�nchengladbach	4:0
Karlsruhe	- Dortmund		3:0
Bochum		- Wattenscheid		3:1
Uerdingen	- K�ln			0:0
Kaiserslautern	- Dresden		2:0

                                        Goals   Points 
 
     1. SV Werder Bremen		63:30	48:20	
     2. FC Bayern M�nchen		74:45	47:21	
     3. Eintracht Frankfurt		56:39	42:26	
     4. BVB Borussia Dortmund		61:43	41:27	
     5. Bayer 04 Leverkusen		64:45	40:28	
     6. Karlsruher SC			60:54	39:29	
     7. VfB Stuttgart			56:50	36:32	
     8. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		50:40	35:33	
     9. Borussia M�nchengladbach	59:59	35:33	
    10. FC Schalke 04			42:43	34:34	
    11. Hamburger SV			42:44	31:37	
    12. 1.FC K�ln			41:51	28:40	
    13. 1.FC N�rnberg			30:47	28:40	
    14. SG Wattenscheid 09		46:67	28:40	
    15. Dynamo Dresden			32:49	27:41	
    16. VfL Bochum			45:52	26:42	
    17. Bayer 05 Uerdingen		35:64	24:43	
    18. 1.FC Saarbr�cken		37:71	23:45	

    Top Scorers

    	20  Kirsten	(Leverkusen)
	    Yeboah	(Frankfurt)
	17  Rufer	(Bremen)
	15  Chapuisat   (Dortmund)
	13  Walter	(Stuttgart)
	    Wegmann	(Bochum)
            Thom        (Leverkusen)

Heiko

2.Bundesliga	46th and last day 

    
    Braunschweig	- Duisburg 	1:2
    Fortuna K�ln	- Jena		1:2
    Wuppertal		- Mannheim	4:3
    Unterhaching	- Remscheid	3:0
    Rostock		- Chemnitz	2:0
    D�sseldorf		- Wolfsburg	1:2
    Osnabr�ck		- Freiburg	3:2
    St.Pauli		- Hannover	1:0
    Oldenburg		- Stuttgart K.	3:2
    Hertha BSC		- Homburg	1:0
    Darmstadt		- Meppen	0:2
    Leipzig		- Mainz		2:0
    
			Goals	Pts
 1. SC Freiburg		102:57	65:27
 2. MSV Duisburg	 65:40	60:32
 3. VfB Leipzig		 66:45	58:34
    
 4. Waldhof Manheim	 66:53	55:37	
 5. Hertha BSC Berlin	 82:55	53:39
 6. Fortuna K�ln	 56:44	50:42
 7. Chemnitzer FC	 64:56	50:42
 8. FC Carl-Zeiss Jena	 66:59	50:42
 9. Hannover 96		 60:60	48:44
10. SV Meppen		 41:43	47:45
11. FC Hansa Rostock	 54:52	46:46
12. FSV Mainz 05	 54:58	46:46
13. Wuppertaler SV	 55:50	45:47
14. VfL Wolfsburg	 65:69	45:47
15. Stuttgarter Kickers	 60:59	43:49
16. FC Homburg		 50:53	43:49
17. FC St.Pauli		 47:52	43:49

18. SpVgg Unterhaching	 58:67	42:50	
19. Eintr. Braunschweig	 65:73	41:51
20. VfL Osnabr�ck	 63:72	41:51	
21. Fortuna D�sseldorf	 45:65	34:58	
22. VfB Oldenburg	 57:90	34:58	
23. FC Remscheid	 50:83	33:59
24. SV Darmstadt 98	 43:79	32:60


Promotion Groups to 2. Bundesliga: (winners get promoted)

Group 1			

1. Union Berlin			6:5	4:2 
1. Tennis Borussia Berlin	8:5	4:4 
3. Bischofswerda		3:7	2:4

Group 2 

1. Rot-Weiss Essen	       12:3	8:2
2. Preu�en M�nster		7:6	7:3
3. Eintracht Trier		3:8	3:7
4. VfL Herzlake			2:7	2:8

Group 3

1. TSV 1860 M�nchen		7:4	7:3
2. SSV Ulm 46			6:6	6:4
3. Kickers Offenbach		3:4	4:6
4. 1.SC Norderstedt		5:7	3:7

Heiko
    

    
    When was the last time Bayern Munich won the Bundesliga ,
    
    Also what's the roll of honour...who has won the most Bundesliga etc..
    
    jm

The Dutch press today announced that Ruud Gullit has signed a contract
for Bayern Munich and will join Jan Wouters.

I haven't seen anything yet about prices etc but there were huge pictures
on Gullit in Holland and Germany talking to der Kaiser.

T_

    Gullit signed a 2 year contract. I'm not 100% sure, but I think he
    cost Bayern 4-6 Mio. DM. Definitately not more than DM 8 Mio. because
    that's all Bayern had to spend (according to newspapers).
    
    I'm sure Gullit will attract a few more spectators next season, but
    I believe Bayern would have been better off buying a good striker instead.
    They were interested in Karl-Heinz Riedle from Lazio, but couldn't
    afford him (or weren't willing to pay what Lazio asked for: app. 14Mio.
    DM).
    
    Eduard
    

    re-1
    
    It's not yet 100% sure. Gullit has asked some time to think things
    over. Before friday he will give his decision. And I don't think it is
    such a bad decision from Bayern. Gullit is, in shape, a far more
    complete player as Riedle ! If he can throw away his sorrows (?) Bayern
    could have a lot of pleasure ! I wished he had signed for Ajax......
    
    John 

    Re -1
    
    Thanks for the info. I only quoted what I read in the newspaper.
    
    Surely it is difficult to compare Gullit to Riedle (or viceversa).
    Riedle is a pure striker, whereas Gullit is more versatile regarding
    the position he is playing.
    He definately would be an enrichment for the Bayern team and I wish 
    he signs, so I would have the opportunity to see him playing live :-).
    
    Btw, what kind of sorrows are you talking about? Do you mean his
    injuries or something else?
    
    Eduard

    re -1
    
    Gullit in Lederhosen, Wei�wurste in one hand and a big beer in the
    other ? Hmmmmm......I think he stays with Reggae......
    
    His sorrows ? Well, a couple of things. He is very sensitive so a lot
    what they write or say about him in the press hurts him. The last game
    he played for Holland he had the feeling he played well. Half the press
    laughed about that. After that he declares not playing for Holland
    anymore. Next to that he is very carefull with his injuries. He doesn't
    play as he isn't 100% sure ( were others play with injections....). In
    this he is absolutely right but again a lot of people are angry about
    it. And then he doubts about his qualities ; the Dutch team can without
    him, he stood a lot outside the Milan team last year where he wasn't
    injured.....The fact that he wants to take time for his decision, that
    he didn't join Milan to South-Africa where he could meet his idol
    Mandela it all gives me the impression that he has something on his
    mind.......He is like Rijkaard. Both players are very calm but suddenly
    something bursts inside...and then strange things can happen......
    I hope he can find his rest in Munich and end smoothly and succesfull
    his career over there, like Wouters already is doing ( and watching to
    Wouters the end can last very long...). Perhaps if Ruud is loose from
    Milan and the Dutch team he can play freely and relieved. And hopefully
    the Bild Zeitung leaves him alone......
    
    Let's wait what he decides....
    
    
    John

    RE -1:
    
    Regarding his injuries, I think Dr. M�ller-Wohlfahrt will take care
    of them very well and regarding his 'psychological' problems I consider
    Coach Erich Ribbeck having the right amount of sensitivity to deal
    with them.
    I can't imagine he would be under pressure by the press as much as in
    Italy.
    
    Just my opinion,
    
    Eduard

Just heard yesterday that the deal is off 'cause Gullit's girlfriend doesn't
want to life in Munich.


T_

    re-1 and those where the sorrows I forget to mention........
    
    John
    

    RE -2
    
    According to Bayern's manager Uli Hoene�,who looked quite p*****d off, 
    the reason was that Gullit's pregnant girlfriend preferred to have 
    the Baby in Italy.
    
    Eduard

For information:

     + the German BL startet in the year 1964
     + the first champion was 1.FC K�ln
     + the first championship of Bayern was 1969
     + Bayern has won totally about 11 championships
     + at least 1990
     + Gladbach was champion 5 times
     + HSV about 3 times

regards christian_BVB_Support_Munich

As to counting the championships:

The was a German championship before the Bundesliga was
started. Regional leagues' champions played a cup to
determine who was German champion. 1.FC Nuernberg's
10 championships mostly come from that time.

Heiko

       
    
               Champion    Borussia Dortmund
    
               Runners up  Eintracht Frankfurt
    
               Relegated   Dresden, Leipzig, Wattenscheid
    
               UEFA-Cup    three of
    
                           Bayern, Leverkusen, Bremen, N�rnberg, Gladbach
                          

    
    
    	From the highlights I saw on Sat.1 (every Saturday at 5:00pm GMT),I
    reckon that Bor. M'Gladbach must be a good outside bet,considering
    their recent run of good form towards the end of the season.So my 
    predictions (based on TV highlights) would be as follows:-
    
    	Champions : Borussia M'Gladbach
    
    	EUFA   : Bor. Dortmund,Bayern Munich,Werder Bremen and Eintracht
    	         Frankfurt.
    
    
    Apart for Karl Hienz Reidle (sp?) signing for Dortmund,can you tell me
    any other major signings that have taken place in the BL during the
    summer ?
    
    
    
    
    
    Andy.

    - Rose Adolfo Valencia from Santa Fe/Bogota (Columbia) was bought
      by Bayern Munich for 5.1 mio.DM (about 2 mio Pound Sterling)
    
    - Bernd Schuster from Madrid came back after 10 years "exil" in spain
      to Bayer Leverkusen (cheap), also his wife Gabi ...
    
    _ Andy Brehme from Real Saragossa (spain)  came back to 
      1.FC Kaiserslautern for nothing.
    
    - Sergio Zarate came back from Ancona (italy) to 1.FC N�rnberg,
      because the italiens didn't pay the money for the rent.
    
    the rest are domestic transfers only (not very spectecular...)
    Agree with .-1 Gladbach will have a good season, but in the end they
    won't be champion. It's a team without stars, only young and hungry
    players...
    
    Christian_BVB_Support_Munich
     

	Champions	Dortmund
	Runners up	Bayern

	UEFA		Frankfurt
			Werder
			Leverkusen

	Cup Winner	Hamburg

	Relegation	Wattenscheid, Leipzig, Duisburg


	2.Bundesliga 
	Promotion	St.Pauli, Bochum, Fortuna Koeln

Heiko

Other signings:
	Hamburg:	Ivanauskas from Vienna
			Kostner    from Saarbruecken
	Frankfurt:	Furtok	   from Hamburg

    Champions 	Dortmund
    Relegated   Schalke :^) 
    
    Cup Wiiners Rott Weiss Luedenscheid
    
    
    barry.

    
    German Cup 2nd round, to be played 24/25 Aug
    
    VfB Stuttgart		- 1.FC Kaiserslautern
    Bayer 04 Leverkusen		- 1.FC N�rnberg
    Hertha BSC Berlin		- Hamburger SV
    Werder Bremen		- Stuttgarter Kickers
    Schalke 04			- VfL Bochum
    TSV Havelse			- Karlsruher SC
    Dynamo Dresden		- VfL Wolfsburg
    Borussia Dortmund		- FC Carl Zeiss Jena
    SC Freiburg			- Fortuna K�ln
    SV Mettlach			- Wattenscheid 09
    Bayer 05 Uerdingen		- VfB Leipzig
    Sachsen Leipzig		- FC St.Pauli
    Fortuna D�sseldorf		- Eintracht Frankfurt
    SpVgg Plattling		- Borussia M�nchengladbach
    Sportfreunde Ricklingen	- MSV Duisburg
    1.FC K�ln			- SV Waldhof Mannheim
    FC Carl Zeiss Jena (A)	- Bayern M�nchen
    FC Augsburg			- Rot Weiss L�denscheidt          <- re .-1
    SV Darmstadt 98		- Bayern M�nchen (A)
    TSF Ditzingen		- FC Hansa Rostock
    FC Eisenh�ttenstadt		- SpVgg Unterhaching
    Alemannia Aachen		- 1.FC Saarbr�cken
    Kickers Offenbach		- SV Meppen
    1.FC Magdeburg		- Wuppertaler SV
    FC Oberneuland		- Chemnitzer FC
    SpVgg Marl			- Borussia Fulda
    ASV Neumarkt		- Tennis Borussia Berlin
    1.FC Bocholt		- Rot Weiss Essen
    Eintracht Braunschweig	- VfB Oldenburg
    Eintracht Haiger		- Raspo Elmshorn
    Greifswalder SC		- TSG Pfeddersheim
    VfB Gaggenau		- Hannover 96
    
    Heiko

    
    Now this is what I would like some knowledgeable German chap to tell
    me. How does this Deutches Pokal work. Muenchen 1860 are also not in
    the competition. 
    
    It looks to me that the first round, having consisted of 12 games, was
    a reducing round to bring down from 76 clubs to 64 and therefore a 
    number that is manageable for knockout purposes.
    
    Question is ...What does this number consist of and how can an analogy
    be drawn against for example the English FA Cup.
    
    Example:	F,Sf,Qf,5th,4th,3rd ...3rd round consists of 64 clubs
    of which 46 are 1st and 2nd division. 
    	2nd round should therefore consist of (64-46)*2 clubs = 36
    	1st round should consist of 72 clubs of which 3rd and 4th division
    	clubs enter (48 clubs) leaving 24 NON-League clubs who go into the
    	hat for the first round draw....Anybody else care to go further on
    this one is most welcome !!!.
    
    Cheers,
    
    Dezzz.

    
    
    re. -1
    
        This round of the German Cup was only a qualifying round for teams
        from 3'rd league and lower.
    
        These teams have qualified first in local matches then getting up
        in regional matches to qualify round by round.
        At least the teams which qualified got now more atractive
    opponents.
        You can compare that system with the English FA Cup I think.
    
        Remark: Hope this info helps you on and maybe Heiko will add more
                information about the cup.
                
    
    christian_BVB_Support_Munich
                             

    
� ... and maybe Heiko will add more information about the cup.
    
    I guess not. :-(
    
    Really, I don't know either. 
    I don't know where M�nchen 1860 have gone.
    I have an idea, however.
    
    All Bundesliga and 2.Bundesliga teams of the *last* season qualify.
    All regional (federal state) amateur cup-winners quialify i.e. Kilia
    Kiel for Schleswig-Holstein (lost 0:8 to Freiburg) and Raspo Elmshorn
    for Hamburg. 
    Still this doesn't make the number. There must be some other criteria,
    which the teams from Hamburg and Schlswig-Holstein usually don't
    fulfill.
      - It can't be last year's cup performance, because that would have
    	seen Hertha BSC (A) qualify.
      - It can't be the Amateuroberliga league position, because that would
    	have seen M�nchen 1860 qualify.
      + I think there is a kind of German Amateur championship, involving
    	the Amateuroberliga teams only. They play a kind of little DFB-Cup.
    	Perhaps last year's performance in this Cups is taken into account.
    
    Heiko

    As far as I remember, 1860 played and was beaten by Bayern Amateure on
    one of the first rounds.
    
    Regards,
    Margit
    

    
    Can't be. There has only one round so far and 1860 didn't participate
    in that one. According to my local paper, of course.
    
    Heiko
    

    Hmmh. My memory is pretty good and I can remember that there was a lost
    game against Bayern Amateure which created the newspaper headlines:
    1860 missed the chance on the cup.
    
    Could it be that there are qualification games for the amateurs? I'll
    try and find out.
    
    Have a good day,
    Margit
    

     >Now this is what I would like some knowledgeable German chap to tell
     >me. How does this Deutches Pokal work. Muenchen 1860 are also not in
     >the competition.
    
    Sorry Margit, I didn't realise you read the conference....I really
    meant chap or chapess !
    
    Anyway intersting comments...I'll buy the fact that all teams of the
    previous Bundesliga I and II would qualify making 18+24 = 42. All
    regional Pokal winners would qualify ( I would presume 10) accumulating
    to 52 leaving a figure of 24 'wildcards or other'. Amazing that even
    the Annual Kicker Almanak doesn't cover this. But there lies the
    different emphasis on Cup Vs League from different countries. In
    Germany or Italy buy the sports pages on Monday/Tuesday and a full
    country wide coverage of league is covered down to the smallest of
    them as against England where its not that intensive. The Cup on the
    other hand is a convenient stab at a European place rather than the
    revered league title winners. 
    The English FA Cup is a 'little' different though !!!   
     
    Dezzz.
    
    

 Margit are you knew to this conference or have you just been a reader in the
past?????? No matter its good to see another female in here. 

   Back to the German cup, Iam really confused... I thought it was similiar to
the FA cup in that every team had a chance to qualify. I was really looking
forward to seeing Hertha's Amateurs play again, they impressed everybody last
season except Ulf Kirstin.

                                                                  -dave-

    This is probably not the right topic for this, but yes I am fairly new
    to the conference. I am just reading, I am a fan (of 1860) and I am
    trying to pick up the English football vocabulary.
    
    I am pretty sure that I can tell you more about the German cup on
    monday. I see a  r e a l  expert tonight!
    
    Have a nice weekend,
    Margit
    

    
    >>Can't be. There has only one round so far and 1860 didn't participate
        in that one. According to my local paper, of course.
    
    Yes there was only one (main) first round but as I mentioned before
    the teams from the "Amateur" leagues start qualifying just one year
    before this round.
    I can't remember by which team 1860 was beaten off but it's definitly
    true.
    
    christian
    

    
    So here we go again:
    
    German Bundesliga 1st day
    
    M�nchengladbach	- Frankfurt		0:4
    K�ln		- Kaiserslautern	0:2
    Hamburg		- N�rnberg		5:2
    Dortmund		- Karlsruhe		2:1
    Wattenscheid	- Schalke		3:0
    M�nchen		- Freiburg		3:1
    Duisburg		- Leverkusen		2:2
    Leipzig		- Dresden		3:3
    Bremen		- Stuttgart		5:1
    
    [no table]
    
    Top Scorers:
    	3 Marschall (Dresden)
    	2 Anders    (Leipzig)
    	  von Heesen (Hamburg)
    	  Herzog (Bremen)
    	  Ivanauskas (Hamburg)
    	  Rufer (Bremen)
    	  Valencia (M�nchen)
    	  Zarate (N�rnberg)
    
    An excellent start for a promising new seasons. A few comment:
    
    If Hamburg can show some more performances like they did on Friday,
    they'll look very good for an UEFA spot.
    
    How much does the Leipzig-Dresden 3:3 count ? They didn't look like 
    relegation candidates to me.
    
    Red card for Berthold. Why did Stuttgart take him ???
    
    Loads of candidates for the 'top scorer' trophy. We'll see.
    
    Heiko

    Ok, here we go with the German "Pokal" It's exactly the way as pointed
    out in note 285 and 289. Bundesliga I and II are in it by default. The
    amateurs qualify in a knock out system. These games already take place
    during the old season.
    
    Margit
    (who is extremely happy about 1860's victory in Stuttgart)
    
    
    

    
    Zweite Bundesliga, 3rd day

Jena	    - Mannheim	    2:2
TB Berlin   - Saarbr�cken   0:4
Chemnitz    - Uerdingen	    1:4
Stuttgart K - 1860 M�nchen  0:2
Homburg	    - F.K�ln	    1:2
Rostock	    - Wuppertal	    0:1
Mainz	    - Hannover	    1:0
Essen	    - Bochum	    0:2
Meppen	    - St.Pauli	    1:1
Wolfsburg   - Hertha	    1:0

    
     1. VfL Bochum		 5: 0	 6: 0
     2. FSV Mainz 05		 4: 0	 6: 0
     3.	Fortuna K�ln		 5: 2	 5: 1
     4.	FC Saarbr�cken		 8: 3	 4: 2
     5.	VfL Wolfsburg		 4: 2	 4: 2
     6.	FC Homburg		 4: 3	 4: 2
     7.	TSV M�nchen 1860	 3: 4	 4: 2
     8. FC St.Pauli		 5: 3	 3: 3
     9. SV Meppen		 2: 2	 3: 3
        Hertha BSC Berlin	 2: 2	 3: 3
    11. Wuppertaler SV		 1: 1	 3: 3
    12. FC Hansa Rostock	 4: 3	 2: 4
    13. Bayer 05 Uerdingen	 4: 5	 2: 4
    14.	Rot-Weiss Essen		 3: 4	 2: 4
     	SV Waldhof Mannheim	 3: 4	 2: 4
    16. FC Carl-Zeiss Jena	 3: 5	 2: 4
    17.	Tennis Borussia Berlin	 1: 5	 2: 4
    18. Hannover 96		 0: 2	 1: 5
    19. Stuttgarter Kickers	 0: 5	 1: 5
    20. Chemnitzer FC		 1: 7	 1: 5
    

    That's an unusually low draw count for the first day of
    Bundersliga I and again Koln get off to their usual, 
    impressive start. 
    
    barry. 
    

    ROMPY????
    

       <<< Note 19.294 by ROMPY::OHAGANB "Better to reign in hell..." >>>
                           -< Calling Mr Panes..... >-

>    ROMPY????
    


Yo Bazza,

Its the name of the system.

Hope this helps,

Stuart.....and back to the football

    Did somebody see the sunday match Bremen vs Stuttgart ?
    
    There was the situation of the free kick which was not to see in TV
    
    and when Herzog made the first goal.
    
    Yesterday Stuttgarts manager Hoene� protested oficially at the DFB
    
    against the valuing of that game because he thinks that his team
    
    wouldn't have lost this match in spite of the obscure referee de-
    
    cision.
    
    As I only have the info from the papers I can't judge about this
    
    goal. Maybe one from the other noters was in Bremen and can tell
    
    me more ?
    
    christian

The situation is as follows:

	The reason Stuttgart protested was because the free kick wasn't
	taken where the foul had occured but app. 7 - 10m to the left.
	It may be noted that the ball wasn't moving.
	What seemed to have irritated the Stuttgart defense was that
	the ref ran to the point where the foul had taken place pointing
	in the direction of the Stuttgart goal. I guess the players
	were waiting for him to have the ball placed where he was standing,
	but when Herzog took the shot, he just looked over to where the
	shot had been taken and gave the goal.
  	As simple as that :-)

                                                               go Bremen !! ;-)


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     2 - point where foul occured and ref was standing


   Eduard 

    
    Can someone please list the results from last Saturday.I saw Bayern
    Munich losing away to Leverkusen,and saw some of Frankfurt - Bremen
    game which was 2-2 near to the end.How did it finish ?.The Frankfurt
    keeper made a complete blunder for the first goal !!
    
                                     
    Andy.

    I'll try to enter them by heart:
    
    Schalke - Dortmund 1-0
    Karlsruhe - Hamburg 2-0
    Dresden - Duisburg 0-1
    Frankfurt - Bremen 2-2
    Freiburg - Wattenscheid 4-1
    N�rnberg - <K�ln or M�nchengladbach> 1-0
    Kaiserslautern - <K�ln or M�nchengladbach> 4-0
    Leverkusen	- M�nchen 2-1
    Stuttgart - Leipzig Pp

Re .-1

Filling in the dont-knows:
    
    Schalke - Dortmund 1-0
    Karlsruhe - Hamburg 2-0
    Dresden - Duisburg 0-1
    Frankfurt - Bremen 2-2
    Freiburg - Wattenscheid 4-1
    N�rnberg - K�ln 1-0
    Kaiserslautern - M�nchengladbach 4-0
    Leverkusen	- M�nchen 2-1
    Stuttgart - Leipzig Pp

    
    German Bundesliga 3rd day
    
    Bremen		- Leipzig	    3:1
    K�ln		- Karlsruhe	    2:1
    Wattenscheid	- Leverkusen	    1:2
    M�nchengladbach	- N�rnberg	    2:0
    Hamburg		- Schalke	    4:1
    Dortmund		- Freiburg	    3:2
    Duisburg		- Stuttgart	    2:2
    Frankfurt		- Kaiserslautern    1:0
    M�nchen		- Dresden	    5:0

     1. SV Werder Bremen	    10: 4   5: 1
     2. Eintracht Frankfurt	     7: 2   5: 1
     3. TSV Bayer 04 Leverkusen	     6: 4   5: 1
     4. FC Bayern M�nchen	     9: 3   4: 2
     5. Hamburger SV		     9: 5   4: 2
     6. 1.FC Kaiserslautern	     6: 3   4: 2
     7. Borussia Dortmund	     5: 4   4: 2
	MSV Duisburg		     5: 4   4: 2
     9. SC Freiburg		     7: 7   2: 4
    10. Karlsruher SC		     4: 4   2: 4
    11. SG Wattenscheid 09	     5: 6   2: 4
    12. 1.FC K�ln		     2: 4   2: 4
    13. Borussia M�nchengladbach     4: 8   2: 4
    14. 1.FC N�rnberg		     3: 7   2: 4
    15. FC Schalke 04		     2: 7   2: 4
    16. VfB Leipzig		     4: 6   1: 3
    17. VfB Stuttgart		     3: 7   1: 3
    18. Dynamo Dresden		     3: 9   1: 5
    
    Top Scorers:
        3 Carl (Karlsruhe)
    	  von Heesen (Hamburg)
    	  Ivanauskas (Hamburg)
    	  Marschall (Dresden)
	  Yeboah (Frankfurt)

    
    Zweite Bundesliga, 5th day

Rostock	    - Uerdingen	    2:0
Berlin	    - Bochum	    1:1
Stuttgart   - Wuppertal	    1:0
Meppen	    - K�ln	    4:2
Chemnitz    - Hertha	    1:1
Homburg	    - Mannheim	    3:0
Hannover    - Saarbr�cken   4:1
Jena	    - Wolfsburg	    2:0
Essen	    - St.Pauli	    0:0
Mainz	    - M�nchen	    1:1
    
     1. VfL Bochum		 9: 2	 9: 1
     2. FSV Mainz 05		 5: 3	 7: 3
     3.	TSV M�nchen 1860	 6: 6	 7: 3
     4. FC Hansa Rostock	10: 5	 6: 4
     5.	FC Saarbr�cken		11: 7	 6: 4
     6.	FC Homburg		 7: 4	 6: 4
     7. Hertha BSC Berlin	 4: 3	 6: 4
     8. Hannover 96		 5: 3	 5: 5
     9. SV Meppen		 6: 5	 5: 5
    10.	Fortuna K�ln		 7: 7	 5: 5
    11.	VfL Wolfsburg		 5: 5	 5: 5
    12. FC St.Pauli		 7: 7	 4: 6
    13. FC Carl-Zeiss Jena	 5: 6	 4: 6
    14.	Rot-Weiss Essen		 3: 4	 4: 6
    15. Wuppertaler SV		 1: 2	 4: 6
    16. Bayer 05 Uerdingen	 5: 7	 4: 6
    17. Chemnitzer FC		 3: 8	 4: 6
    18.	SV Waldhof Mannheim	 4: 8	 3: 7
    19.	Tennis Borussia Berlin	 3: 8	 3: 7
    20. Stuttgarter Kickers	 2: 8	 3: 7
Heiko
    

    
    German Cup 2nd round, to be played 24/25 Aug
    
    Bundesliga vs Bundesliga
    
    VfB Stuttgart		- 1.FC Kaiserslautern		 :
    Bayer 04 Leverkusen		- 1.FC N�rnberg			 :
    
    Bundesliga vs 2.Liga
    
    Hertha BSC Berlin		- Hamburger SV			3:5 aet
    Schalke 04			- VfL Bochum			1:0 aet
    Borussia Dortmund		- FC Carl Zeiss Jena		0:1
    SC Freiburg			- Fortuna K�ln			4:1
    1.FC K�ln			- SV Waldhof Mannheim		4:1
    Bayer 05 Uerdingen		- VfB Leipzig			1:0
    Werder Bremen		- Stuttgarter Kickers		 :
    Dynamo Dresden		- VfL Wolfsburg			 :
    
    Bundesliga - Amateurs
    
    SpVgg Plattling		- Borussia M�nchengladbach	0:3
    Sportfreunde Ricklingen	- MSV Duisburg			0:1
    TSV Havelse			- Karlsruher SC			0:3
    SV Mettlach			- Wattenscheid 09		 :
    Fortuna D�sseldorf		- Eintracht Frankfurt		 :
    FC Carl Zeiss Jena (A)	- Bayern M�nchen		 :
    
    2.Liga vs Amateurs
    
    1.FC Magdeburg		- Wuppertaler SV		8:7 pen
    FC Oberneuland		- Chemnitzer FC			1:8
    TSF Ditzingen		- FC Hansa Rostock		0:2
    Alemannia Aachen		- 1.FC Saarbr�cken		0:3
    ASV Neumarkt		- Tennis Borussia Berlin	0:4
    Sachsen Leipzig		- FC St.Pauli			 :
    Kickers Offenbach		- SV Meppen			 :
    VfB Gaggenau		- Hannover 96			 :
    1.FC Bocholt		- Rot Weiss Essen		 :
    
    
    Amateurs - Amateurs
    
    FC Augsburg			- Rot Weiss L�denscheidt        2:0
    SV Darmstadt 98		- Bayern M�nchen (A)		1:2 aet
    FC Eisenh�ttenstadt		- SpVgg Unterhaching		 :
    SpVgg Marl			- Borussia Fulda		 :
    Eintracht Braunschweig	- VfB Oldenburg			 :
    Eintracht Haiger		- Raspo Elmshorn		 :
    Greifswalder SC		- TSG Pfeddersheim		 :
        
    

    Well, my bet Luedenscheid have gone but at least the marvellously
    named Raspo Elmshorn are in with a, erm, fighting chance. 
    
    barry.

    
    Raspo ( i.e. Rasensport) Elmshorn are out as well. Loast 3:1 to
    Eintracht Haiger.
    
    That's indeedy very sad, as Elmshorn qualified as Hamburg Cup winner
    and Elmshorn is my girlfriends' birthplace, too. 
    (And Michael Stich's hometown)
    
    Heiko

From memory:

    German Cup 2nd round,  played 25 Aug
    
    Bundesliga vs Bundesliga
    
    VfB Stuttgart		- 1.FC Kaiserslautern		 2:6 aet
    Bayer 04 Leverkusen		- 1.FC N�rnberg			 3:0
 
    Bundesliga vs 2.Liga

    Werder Bremen		- Stuttgarter Kickers		 2:1

    Bundesliga - Amateurs

    FC Carl Zeiss Jena (A)	- Bayern M�nchen		 0:2


The 'hit' draw for the next round is

		Schalke 04  -  Bayern M�nchen

Eduard

    
    German Bundesliga 3rd day
    
	Freiburg	- Hamburg		0:1
	Karlsruhe	- M�nchengladbach	1:0
	Leipzig		- Duisburg		1:1
	Leverkusen	- Dortmund		2:1
	Schalke		- K�ln			1:2
	N�rnberg	- Frankfurt		1:5
	Kaiserslautern	- Bremen		2:3
	Dresden		- Wattenscheid		1:1
	Stuttgart	- M�nchen		2:2

     1. Eintracht Frankfurt	    12: 3   7: 1
     2. SV Werder Bremen	    13: 6   7: 1
     3. TSV Bayer 04 Leverkusen	     8: 5   7: 1
     4. Hamburger SV		    10: 5   6: 2
     5. FC Bayern M�nchen	    11: 5   5: 3
     6. MSV Duisburg		     6: 5   5: 3
     7. 1.FC Kaiserslautern	     8: 6   4: 4
     8. Karlsruher SC		     5: 4   4: 4
     9. Borussia Dortmund	     6: 6   4: 4
    10. 1.FC K�ln		     4: 5   4: 4
    11. SG Wattenscheid 09	     6: 7   3: 5
    12. VfB Leipzig		     5: 7   2: 4
    13. VfB Stuttgart		     5: 9   2: 4
    14. SC Freiburg		     7: 8   2: 6
    15. Borussia M�nchengladbach     4: 9   2: 6
    16. Dynamo Dresden		     4:10   2: 6
    17. FC Schalke 04		     3: 9   2: 6
    18. 1.FC N�rnberg		     4:12   2: 6
    
    Top Scorers:
	5  Yeboah (Frankfurt)
    	4  von Heesen (Hamburg)

    
    Zweite Bundesliga, 6th day

Wuppertal	- TB Berlin	    1:0
Saarbr�cken	- Jena		    2:1
K�ln		- Rostock	    0:0
St.Pauli	- Stuttgart	    3:0
M�nchen 1860	- Hannover	    2:2
Wolfsburg	- Homburg	    2:0
Hertha		- Meppen	    1:1
Bochum		- Mainz		    2:0
Mannheim	- Chemnitz	    1:0
Uerdingen	- Essen		    2:0
    
     1. VfL Bochum		11: 2	11: 1
     2.	FC Saarbr�cken		13: 8	 8: 4
     3.	TSV M�nchen 1860	 8: 8	 8: 4
     4. FC Hansa Rostock	10: 5	 7: 5
     5.	VfL Wolfsburg		 7: 5	 7: 5
     6. Hertha BSC Berlin	 5: 4	 7: 5
     7. FSV Mainz 05		 5: 5	 7: 5
     8. FC St.Pauli		10: 7	 6: 6
     9. Hannover 96		 7: 5	 6: 6
    10.	FC Homburg		 7: 6	 6: 6
        SV Meppen		 7: 6	 6: 6
    12.	Fortuna K�ln		 7: 7	 6: 6
        Bayer 05 Uerdingen	 7: 7	 6: 6
    14. Wuppertaler SV		 2: 2	 6: 6
    15.	SV Waldhof Mannheim	 5: 8	 5: 7
    16. FC Carl-Zeiss Jena	 6: 8	 4: 8
    17.	Rot-Weiss Essen		 3: 6	 4: 8
    18. Chemnitzer FC		 3: 9	 4: 8
    19.	Tennis Borussia Berlin	 3: 9	 3: 9
    20. Stuttgarter Kickers	 2:11	 3: 9
Heiko
    

    Anyone know the latest scores ?

Heiko I'll see if I remember them correctly


       Gladbach       3-2  Schalke

       Kaiserslautern 3-1  Nuernberg

       Bremen         1-5  Duisburg

       Frankfurt      3-1  Karlsruhe

 Yep that's right... Highlights of the evening were Duisburgs away win to
champions Bremen. Bremen let in more goals at home in this one game than the
whole of last season.... second highlight was Johnny Okotos (sp) third goal for
Frankfurt, where he twisted and turned about 10 times before he put the ball in
the net. This will be goal of the season watch out... The ZDF reporter said it
was one of the most exciting goals he has seen in 30 years of reporting. Iam
sure SAT1 will show it again tonight Heiko..... Frankfurt look good, the other
two goals were scored by Bein. Nuernberg look like makor relegation material..
Bremen will recover, they play Munich next thursday in Bremen....


                                                      regards.....

                                                          -dave- 

    
    German Bundesliga 5th day
    
M�nchengladbach		- Schalke		3:2
Frankfurt		- Karlsruhe		3:1
Kaiserslautern		- N�rnberg		3:1
Bremen			- Duisburg		1:5
Wattenscheid		- Stuttgart		2:4
M�nchen			- Leipzig		3:0
Dortmund		- Dresden		4:0
Hamburg			- Leverkusen		2:1
K�ln			- Freiburg		2:0


     1. Eintracht Frankfurt	    15: 4   9: 1
     2. Hamburger SV		    12: 6   8: 2
     3. FC Bayern M�nchen	    14: 5   7: 3
     4. MSV Duisburg		    11: 6   3: 3
     5. SV Werder Bremen	    14:11   7: 3
     6. TSV Bayer 04 Leverkusen	     9: 7   7: 3
     7. 1.FC Kaiserslautern	    11: 7   6: 4
     8. Borussia Dortmund	    10: 6   6: 4
     9. 1.FC K�ln		     6: 5   6: 4
    10. VfB Stuttgart		     9:11   4: 4
    11. Karlsruher SC		     6: 7   4: 6
    12. Borussia M�nchengladbach     7:11   4: 6
    13. SG Wattenscheid 09	     8:11   3: 7
    14. VfB Leipzig		     5:10   2: 6
    15. SC Freiburg		     7:10   2: 8
    16. FC Schalke 04		     5:12   2: 8
    17. 1.FC N�rnberg		     5:15   2: 8
    18. Dynamo Dresden		     4:14   2: 8


Heiko

    
    German Bundesliga 6th day
    
Karlsruhe	- Kaiserslautern	1:1
N�rnberg	- Bremen		0:1
Stuttgart	- Dortmund		2:2
Leverkusen	- K�ln			2:1
Freiburg	- M�nchengladbach	3:3
Schalke		- Frankfurt		1:3
Duisburg	- M�nchen		2:2
Leipzig		- Wattenscheid		0:0
Dresden		- Hamburg		1:1


     1. Eintracht Frankfurt	    18: 4  11: 1
     2. Hamburger SV		    13: 7   9: 3
     5. SV Werder Bremen	    15:11   9: 3
     4. TSV Bayer 04 Leverkusen	    11: 8   9: 3
     5. FC Bayern M�nchen	    16: 7   8: 4
     6. MSV Duisburg		    13: 8   8: 4
     7. Borussia Dortmund	    12: 8   7: 5
        1.FC Kaiserslautern	    12: 8   7: 5
     9. 1.FC K�ln		     7: 7   6: 6
    10. VfB Stuttgart		    11:13   5: 5
    11. Karlsruher SC		     7: 8   5: 7
    12. Borussia M�nchengladbach    10:14   5: 7
    13. SG Wattenscheid 09	     8:11   4: 8
    14. VfB Leipzig		     5:10   3: 7
    15. SC Freiburg		    10:13   3: 9
    16. Dynamo Dresden		     5:15   3: 9
    17. FC Schalke 04		     6:15   2:10
    18. 1.FC N�rnberg		     5:16   2:10

Top Scorers
	
	6	Yeboah (Frankfurt)
	5	Bein (Frankfurt)
		von Heesen (Hamburg)
		Walter (Stuttgart)
	4	Chapuisat (Dortmund)
		Marschall (Dresden)
		Zarate (N�rnberg)
Heiko

    
    Zweite Bundesliga, 7th day

TB Berlin	- St.Pauli	0:0
Jena		- Homburg	2:1
Chemnitz	- Wolfsburg	1:1
Rostock		- Hertha	2:2
Saarbr�cken	- M�nchen 1860	0:2
Essen		- K�ln		3:0
Stuttgart	- Uerdingen	0:2
Meppen		- Mannheim	1:0
Hannover	- Bochum	0:0
Mainz		- Wuppertal	Tuesd.

     1. VfL Bochum		11: 2	12: 2
     2.	TSV M�nchen 1860	10: 8	10: 4
     3. FC Hansa Rostock	12: 7	 8: 6
     4.	FC Saarbr�cken		13:10	 8: 6
     5. Bayer 05 Uerdingen	 9: 7	 8: 6
     6. SV Meppen		 8: 6	 8: 6
     	VfL Wolfsburg		 8: 6	 8: 6
     8. Hertha BSC Berlin	 7: 6	 8: 6
     9. FSV Mainz 05		 5: 5	 7: 5
    10. FC St.Pauli		10: 7	 7: 7
    11. Hannover 96		 7: 5	 7: 7
    12. Wuppertaler SV		 2: 2	 6: 6
    13.	FC Homburg		 8: 8	 6: 8
    14.	Rot-Weiss Essen		 6: 6	 6: 8
    15. FC Carl-Zeiss Jena	 8: 9	 6: 8
    16.	Fortuna K�ln		 7:10	 6: 8
    17.	SV Waldhof Mannheim	 5: 9	 5: 9
    18. Chemnitzer FC		 4:10	 5: 9
    19.	Tennis Borussia Berlin	 3: 9	 4:10
    20. Stuttgarter Kickers	 2:13	 3:11
Heiko
    

    
    !.FC N�rnberg		- Karlsruher SC		1:1
    Borussia Dortmund		- VfB Leipzig		0:1
    Borussia M�nchengladbach	- Bayer 04 Leverkusen	2:2
    
    Heiko

    
    German Bundesliga 7th day
    
N�rnberg	- Karlsruhe		1:1
Dortmund	- Leipzig		0:1
M�nchenladbach	- Leverkusen		2:2
Kaiserslautern	- Schalke		0:0
Hamburg		- Stuttgart		3:2
K�ln		- Dresden		0:1
Frankfurt	- Freiburg		3:0
Wattenscheid	- Duisburg		0:2
Bremen		- M�nchen		today 20:00 SAT1


     1. Eintracht Frankfurt	    21: 4  13: 1
     2. Hamburger SV		    16: 9  11: 3
     3. MSV Duisburg		    15: 8  10: 4
     4. TSV Bayer 04 Leverkusen	    13:10  10: 4
     5. SV Werder Bremen	    15:11   9: 3
     6. FC Bayern M�nchen	    16: 7   8: 4
     7. 1.FC Kaiserslautern	    12: 8   8: 6
     8. Borussia Dortmund	    12: 9   7: 7
     9. 1.FC K�ln		     7: 8   6: 8
    10. Karlsruher SC		     8: 9   6: 8
    11. Borussia M�nchengladbach    12:16   6: 8
    12. VfB Stuttgart		    13:16   5: 7
    13. VfB Leipzig		     6:10   5: 7
    14. Dynamo Dresden		     6:15   5: 9
    15. SG Wattenscheid 09	     8:13   4:10
    16. SC Freiburg		    10:16   3:11
    17. FC Schalke 04		     6:15   3:11
    18. 1.FC N�rnberg		     6:17   3:11

Top Scorers
	
	9	Yeboah (Frankfurt)    (this day: 3)
	5	Bein (Frankfurt)
		von Heesen (Hamburg)
		Walter (Stuttgart)

    
    German Bundesliga 7th day

Bremen		- M�nchen		1:0 


     1. Eintracht Frankfurt	    21: 4  13: 1
     2. Hamburger SV		    16: 9  11: 3
     3. SV Werder Bremen	    16:11  11: 3
     3. MSV Duisburg		    15: 8  10: 4
     4. TSV Bayer 04 Leverkusen	    13:10  10: 4
     6. FC Bayern M�nchen	    16: 8   8: 6
     7. 1.FC Kaiserslautern	    12: 8   8: 6
     8. Borussia Dortmund	    12: 9   7: 7
     9. 1.FC K�ln		     7: 8   6: 8
    10. Karlsruher SC		     8: 9   6: 8
    11. Borussia M�nchengladbach    12:16   6: 8
    12. VfB Stuttgart		    13:16   5: 7
    13. VfB Leipzig		     6:10   5: 7
    14. Dynamo Dresden		     6:15   5: 9
    15. SG Wattenscheid 09	     8:13   4:10
    16. SC Freiburg		    10:16   3:11
    17. FC Schalke 04		     6:15   3:11
    18. 1.FC N�rnberg		     6:17   3:11

Top Scorers
	
	9	Yeboah (Frankfurt)    (this day: 3)
	5	Bein (Frankfurt)
		von Heesen (Hamburg)
		Walter (Stuttgart)

    
    German Bundesliga 8th day

Freiburg	- Kaiserslautern	2:3
Stuttgart	- K�ln			1:1
Leipzig		- Hamburg		1:4
Leverkusen	- Frankfurt		2:2
Schalke		- N�rnberg		1:2
M�nchen		- Wattenscheid		3:3
Duisburg	- Dortmund		2:2
Dresden		- M�nchengladbach	2:1
Karlsruhe	- Bremen		0:3


     1. Eintracht Frankfurt	    23: 7  14: 2
     2. Hamburger SV		    20:10  13: 3
     3. SV Werder Bremen	    19:11  13: 3
     4. MSV Duisburg		    17:10  11: 5
     5. TSV Bayer 04 Leverkusen	    15:12  11: 5
     6. 1.FC Kaiserslautern	    15:10  10: 6
     7. FC Bayern M�nchen	    19:11   9: 7
     8. Borussia Dortmund	    14:11   8: 8
     9. 1.FC K�ln		     8: 9   7: 9
    10. VfB Stuttgart		    14:17   7: 9
    11. Dynamo Dresden		     8:16   7: 9
    12. Karlsruher SC		     8:12   6:10
    13. Borussia M�nchengladbach    13:18   6:10
    14. VfB Leipzig		     7:14   6:10
    15. SG Wattenscheid 09	    11:16   5:11
    16. 1.FC N�rnberg		     8:18   5:11
    17. SC Freiburg		    12:19   3:13
    18. FC Schalke 04		     7:17   3:13

Top Scorers
	
	9	Yeboah (Frankfurt)    
	6	von Heesen (Hamburg)
		Zarate (N�rnberg)
	5	B�ron (Hamburg)
		Bein (Frankfurt)
		Chapuisat (Dortmund)
		K�zle (Duisburg)
		Walter (Stuttgart)


Duisburg and Frankfurt remain undefeated.
Freiburg played some good football, but lost again.

Heiko

    
    Zweite Bundesliga, 8th day

Wuppertal	- Hannover	0:0
K�ln		- Stuttgart	2:1
St.Pauli	- Mainz		1:0
Hertha		- Essen		3:4
Wolfsburg	- Meppen	3:2
Uerdingen	- TB Berlin	3:1
M�nchen 1860	- Jena		2:0
Homburg		- Chemnitz	4:0
Mannheim	- Rostock	3:3
Bochum		- Saarbr�cken	4:0


     1. VfL Bochum		15: 2	14: 2
     2.	TSV M�nchen 1860	12: 8	12: 4
     3. Bayer 05 Uerdingen	12: 8	10: 6
     4.	VfL Wolfsburg		11: 8	10: 6
     5. FC Hansa Rostock	15:10	 9: 7
     6. FC St.Pauli		11: 7	 9: 7
     7.	FC Homburg		12: 8	 8: 8
     8. Hannover 96		 7: 5	 8: 8
     9. SV Meppen		10: 9	 8: 8
    	Rot-Weiss Essen		10: 9	 8: 8
    11. Hertha BSC Berlin	10:10	 8: 8
    12. Wuppertaler SV		 3: 3	 8: 8
    13.	FC Saarbr�cken		13:14	 8: 8
    14. FSV Mainz 05		 5: 6	 8: 8
    15.	Fortuna K�ln		 9:11	 8: 8
    16. FC Carl-Zeiss Jena	 8:11	 6:10
    17.	SV Waldhof Mannheim	 8:12	 6:10
    18. Chemnitzer FC		 4:14	 5:11
    19.	Tennis Borussia Berlin	 4:12	 4:12
    20. Stuttgarter Kickers	 3:15	 3:13
Heiko
    

    
    German Bundesliga 9th day

Hamburg		- Duisburg	0:1
Karlsruhe	- Schalke	0:0
Frankfurt	- Dresden	3:2
K�ln		- Leipzig	3:1
Dortmund	- M�nchen	1:1
N�rnberg	- Freiburg	2:2
Kaiserslautern	- Leverkusen	3:2
Bremen		- Wattenscheid	0:0
M�nchengladbach	- Stuttgart	Wedn.

     1. Eintracht Frankfurt	    26: 9  16: 2
     2. SV Werder Bremen	    19:11  14: 4
     3. Hamburger SV		    20:11  13: 5
     4. MSV Duisburg		    18:10  13: 5
     5. 1.FC Kaiserslautern	    18:12  12: 6
     6. TSV Bayer 04 Leverkusen	    17:15  11: 7
     7. FC Bayern M�nchen	    20:12  10: 8
     8. Borussia Dortmund	    15:12   9: 9
     9. 1.FC K�ln		    11:10   9: 9
    10. VfB Stuttgart		    14:17   7: 9
    11. Karlsruher SC		     8:12   7:11
    12. Dynamo Dresden		    10:19   7:11
    13. Borussia M�nchengladbach    13:18   6:10
    14. SG Wattenscheid 09	    11:16   6:12
    14. VfB Leipzig		     8:17   6:12
    16. 1.FC N�rnberg		    10:20   6:12
    17. SC Freiburg		    14:21   4:14
    18. FC Schalke 04		     7:17   4:14

Top Scorers
	
	9	Yeboah (Frankfurt)    
	8	Zarate (N�rnberg)
	6	von Heesen (Hamburg)
		Kuntz (Kaiserslautern)
	5	B�ron (Hamburg)
		Bein (Frankfurt)
		Chapuisat (Dortmund)
		K�zle (Duisburg)
		Scholl (M�nchen)
		Walter (Stuttgart)


Duisburg and Frankfurt remain undefeated.

Heiko

    
    Zweite Bundesliga, 9th day

Saarbr�cken	- Wuppertal	1:0
Stuttgart	- Hertha	1:1
Rostock		- Wolfsburg	2:0
M�nchen 1860	- Bochum	4:1	!
Hannover	- St.Pauli	4:1
TB Berlin	- K�ln		0:1
Meppen		- Homburg	2:1
Jena		- Chemnitz	0:2
Mainz		- Uerdingen	P-P
Essen		- Mannheim	P-P


     1. VfL Bochum		16: 6	14: 4
     2.	TSV M�nchen 1860	16: 9	14: 4
     3. FC Hansa Rostock	17:10	11: 7
     4. Bayer 05 Uerdingen	12: 8	10: 6
     5. Hannover 96		11: 6	10: 8
     6. SV Meppen		12:10	10: 8
     7.	VfL Wolfsburg		11:10	10: 8
     8.	FC Saarbr�cken		14:14	10: 8
     9.	Fortuna K�ln		10:11	10: 8
    10. FC St.Pauli		12:11	 9: 9
    11. Hertha BSC Berlin	11:11	 9: 9
    12.	Rot-Weiss Essen		10: 9	 8: 8
    13. FSV Mainz 05		 5: 6	 8: 8
    14.	FC Homburg		13:10	 8:10
    15. Wuppertaler SV		 3: 4	 8:10
    16. Chemnitzer FC		 6:14	 7:11
    17.	SV Waldhof Mannheim	 8:12	 6:10
    18. FC Carl-Zeiss Jena	 8:13	 6:12
    19.	Tennis Borussia Berlin	 4:13	 4:14
    20. Stuttgarter Kickers	 4:16	 4:14
Heiko
    

Can any German football fans tell me about Uwe Hartenburger ?
He has just signed for Reading in Div.2 from Uerdingen (sp?).

Do you know of him ?

Thanks
Andy

    Germany played a team made up of non-German nationals who play their
    league football in Germany the other night. 2-0 to the Auslanders both
    scored by Chapuisat.

    
    German Bundesliga 11th day

Karlsruhe	- Leverkusen		2:0
N�rnberg	- Dresden		3:0
Bremen		- Dortmund		4:0
M�nchengladbach	- Duisburg		4:1
K�ln		- M�nchen		0:4
Hamburg		- Wattenscheid		2:1
Schalke		- Freiburg		1:3
Kaiserslautern	- Stuttgart		5:0
Frankfurt	- Leipzig		2:1

     1. Eintracht Frankfurt	    30:10  20: 2
     2. SV Werder Bremen	    24:12  17: 5
     3. Hamburger SV		    22:16  15: 7
     4. FC Bayern M�nchen	    28:12  14: 8
     5. 1.FC Kaiserslautern	    24:15  14: 8
     6. MSV Duisburg		    19:14  14: 8
     7. TSV Bayer 04 Leverkusen	    21:17  13: 9
     8. Borussia Dortmund	    17:17  11:11
     9. Karlsruher SC		    13:15  10:12
    10. 1.FC K�ln		    11:14  10:12
    11. Borussia M�nchengladbach    18:22   9:13
    12. VfB Stuttgart		    16:24   9:13
    13. Dynamo Dresden		    13:23   9:13
    14. 1.FC N�rnberg		    13:24   8:14
    15. SC Freiburg		    20:25   7:15
    16. VfB Leipzig		    10:20   7:15
    17. SG Wattenscheid 09	    13:20   6:16
    18. FC Schalke 04		     9:21   5:17

Top Scorers
	
	10	Kuntz (Kaiserslautern)
	9	Yeboah (Frankfurt)    
		Zarate (N�rnberg)
	7	von Heesen (Hamburg)
		Scholl (M�nchen)


Heiko

    
    Zweite Bundesliga, 11th day

Essen		- Homburg	3:3
Bochum		- Wuppertal	1:0
Stuttgart	- Wolfsburg	0:0
M�nchen 1860	- St.Pauli	1:0
TB Berlin	- Mannheim	0:1
Rostock		- Chemnitz	2:0
Hannover	- K�ln		0:2
Saarbr�cken	- Uerdingen	2:1
Mainz		- Hertha	1:1
Jena		_ Meppen	0:0

     1. VfL Bochum		20: 6	18: 4
     2.	TSV M�nchen 1860	19:14	16: 6
     3. FC Hansa Rostock	21:10	15: 7
     4.	FC Saarbr�cken		17:16	13: 9
     5. Bayer 05 Uerdingen	16:12	12: 8
     6. Hertha BSC Berlin	15:12	12:10
     7.	VfL Wolfsburg		13:12	12:10
     8.	Fortuna K�ln		13:13	12:10
     9. FSV Mainz 05		 9: 9	11: 9
    10. SV Meppen		13:12	11:11
    11.	Rot-Weiss Essen		15:14	10:10
    12. Hannover 96		13:11	10:12
    13. Wuppertaler SV		 8: 7	10:12
    14. FC St.Pauli		13:13	10:12
    15.	FC Homburg		16:15	 9:13
    16. Chemnitzer FC		 8:17	 9:13
    17.	SV Waldhof Mannheim	 9:13	 8:12
    18. FC Carl-Zeiss Jena	 8:15	 7:15
    19. Stuttgarter Kickers	 5:16	 7:15
    20.	Tennis Borussia Berlin	 4:17	 4:18

Heiko
    

    
    German Bundesliga 12th day

Wattenscheid	- K�ln		 2:2
Duisburg	- Frankfurt	 1:0
Dresden		- Karlsruhe	 1:1
Stuttgart	- N�rnberg	 1:0
Leverkusen	- Schalke	 5:1
Freiburg	- Bremen	 0:0
Dortmund	- Hamburg	 2:1
M�nchen		- M�nchengladb.	 3:1
Leipzig		- Kaiserslautern 0:0

     1. Eintracht Frankfurt	    30:11  20: 4
     2. SV Werder Bremen	    24:12  18: 6
     3. FC Bayern M�nchen	    31:13  16: 8
     4. MSV Duisburg		    20:14  16: 8
     5. 1.FC Kaiserslautern	    24:15  15: 9
     6. TSV Bayer 04 Leverkusen	    26:18  15: 9
     7. Hamburger SV		    23:18  15: 9
     8. Borussia Dortmund	    19:18  13:11
     9. Karlsruher SC		    14:16  11:13
    10. 1.FC K�ln		    13:16  11:13
    11. VfB Stuttgart		    17:24  11:13
    12. Dynamo Dresden		    14:24  10:14
    13. Borussia M�nchengladbach    19:25   9:15
    14. SC Freiburg		    20:25   8:16
    15. VfB Leipzig		    10:20   8:16
    16. 1.FC N�rnberg		    13:25   8:16
    17. SG Wattenscheid 09	    15:22   7:17
    18. FC Schalke 04		    10:26   5:19

Top Scorers
	
	10	Kuntz (Kaiserslautern)
	9	Yeboah (Frankfurt)    
		Zarate (N�rnberg)
	8	Sergio (Leverkusen)


Heiko

    
    Zweite Bundesliga, 12th day

Wuppertal	- Jena		0:5
Homburg		- Stuttgart	3:2
Mannheim	- Mainz		1:0
Hertha BSC	- Hannover	0:0
Chemnitz	- Essen		2:1
Uerdingen	- M�nchen 1860	1:0
K�ln		- Saarbr�cken	7:4	!
Meppen		- Rostock	4:1
Wolfsburg	- TB Berlin	2:1
St.Pauli	- Bochum	1:1

     1. VfL Bochum		21: 7	19: 5 P
     2.	TSV M�nchen 1860	19:15	16: 8 P
     3. FC Hansa Rostock	22:14	15: 9 P
     4. Bayer 05 Uerdingen	17:12	14: 8
     5.	Fortuna K�ln		20:17	14:10
     6.	VfL Wolfsburg		15:13	14:10
     7. SV Meppen		17:13	13:11
     8.	Hertha BSC Berlin	15:12	13:11
     9.	FC Saarbr�cken		21:23	13:11
    10. FSV Mainz 05		 9:10	11:11
    11.	FC Homburg		19:17	11:13
    12. Hannover 96		13:11	11:13
    13. FC St.Pauli		14:14	11:13
    14. Chemnitzer FC		10:18	11:13
    15.	Rot-Weiss Essen		16:16	10:12
    16.	SV Waldhof Mannheim	10:13	10:12 R
    17. Wuppertaler SV		 8:12	10:14 R
    18. FC Carl-Zeiss Jena	13:15	 9:15 R
    19. Stuttgarter Kickers	 7:19	 7:17 R
    20.	Tennis Borussia Berlin	 5:19	 4:20 R

Heiko
    

    
    German Bundesliga 13th day

M�nchengladbach	- Wattenscheid		3:3
N�rnberg	- Leipzig		5:0
Kaiserslautern	- Duisburg		2:0
K�ln		- Dortmund		2:0
Freiburg	- Leverkusen		1:0
Schalke		- Dresden		0:0
Frankfurt	- M�nchen		2:2
Bremen		- Hamburg		0:2

     1. Eintracht Frankfurt	    32:13  21: 5
     2. SV Werder Bremen	    24:14  18: 8
     3. FC Bayern M�nchen	    33:15  17: 9
     4. 1.FC Kaiserslautern	    26:15  17: 9
     5. Hamburger SV		    25:18  17: 9
     6. MSV Duisburg		    20:16  16:10
     7. TSV Bayer 04 Leverkusen	    26:19  15:11
     8. Borussia Dortmund	    19:20  13:13
     9. 1.FC K�ln		    15:16  13:13
    10. Karlsruher SC		    14:16  11:13
    11. VfB Stuttgart		    17:24  11:13
    12. Dynamo Dresden		    14:24  11:15
    13. SC Freiburg		    21:25  10:16
    14. Borussia M�nchengladbach    22:28  10:16
    15. 1.FC N�rnberg		    18:25  10:16
    16. SG Wattenscheid 09	    18:25   8:18
    17. VfB Leipzig		    10:25   8:18
    18. FC Schalke 04		    10:26   6:20

Top Scorers
	
	10	Kuntz (Kaiserslautern)
		Zarate (N�rnberg)
	9	Yeboah (Frankfurt)    
	8	Sergio (Leverkusen)
		B�ron (Hamburg)

Heiko

    
    Zweite Bundesliga, 13th day

Wuppertal	- St.Pauli	2:1
TB Berlin	- Homburg	0:1
Bochum		- Uerdingen	0:0
Essen		- Meppen	4:1
M�nchen 1860	- Fortuna K�ln	2:1
Saarbr�cken	- Hertha	4:2
Jena		- Rostock	0:0
Hannover	- Mannheim	1:1
Mainz		- Wolfsburg	1:2
Stuttgart K.	- Chemnitz	P:P

     1. VfL Bochum		21: 7	20: 6 P
     2.	TSV M�nchen 1860	21:16	18: 8 P
     3. FC Hansa Rostock	22:14	16:10 P
     4.	VfL Wolfsburg		17:14	16:10
     5. Bayer 05 Uerdingen	17:12	15: 9
     6.	FC Saarbr�cken		25:25	15:11
     7.	Fortuna K�ln		21:19	14:12
     8.	FC Homburg		20:17	13:13
     9. SV Meppen		18:17	13:13
    10.	Hertha BSC Berlin	17:16	13:13
    11.	Rot-Weiss Essen		20:17	12:12
    12. Hannover 96		14:12	12:14
    13. Wuppertaler SV		10:13	12:14 
    14. FSV Mainz 05		10:12	11:13
    15.	SV Waldhof Mannheim	11:14	11:13 
    16. Chemnitzer FC		10:18	11:13 R
    17. FC St.Pauli		15:16	11:15 R
    18. FC Carl-Zeiss Jena	13:16	10:16 R
    19. Stuttgarter Kickers	 7:19	 7:17 R
    20.	Tennis Borussia Berlin	 5:20	 4:22 R

Heiko
    

    What about the Karlsruhe? I saw on the television that the match has
    been postponed (or suspended?). Is this true?
    When it will be played?
    
    Pino
     

    Yes, I forgot to mention.
    
    It has been postponed to Nov. 9/10.
    
    Heiko

    
    Yesterday/Today is the German Cup � finals:
    
    Hansa Rostock	- SC Freiburg		0:3
    FC Augsburg (Amat.)	- Bayer Leverkusen	3:4 pen.
    
    Replayed match of the 1/8 final:
    
    M�nchengladbach	- Karlsruhe	1:0
    
    

    
    German Bundesliga 14th day

Dortmund		- M�nchengladbach	3:0
Dresden			- Freiburg		1:2
Stuttgart		- Schalke		3:0
Leverkusen		- Bremen		2:2
Hamburg			- K�ln			2:4
Wattenscheid		- Frankfurt		0:0
M�nchen			- Kaiserslautern	4:0
Duisburg		- N�rnberg		1:0
Leipzig			- Karlsruhe		1:0

     1. Eintracht Frankfurt	    32:13  22: 6
     2. FC Bayern M�nchen	    37:15  19: 9
     3. SV Werder Bremen	    26:16  19: 9
     4. MSV Duisburg		    21:16  18:10
     5. 1.FC Kaiserslautern	    26:19  17:11
     6. Hamburger SV		    27:22  17:11
     7. TSV Bayer 04 Leverkusen	    28:21  16:12
     8. Borussia Dortmund	    22:20  15:13
     9. 1.FC K�ln		    19:18  15:13
    10. VfB Stuttgart		    20:24  13:13
    11. SC Freiburg		    23:26  12:16
    12. Karlsruher SC		    14:17  11:15
    13. Dynamo Dresden		    15:26  11:17
    14. 1.FC N�rnberg		    18:26  10:18
    15. Borussia M�nchengladbach    22:31  10:18
    16. VfB Leipzig		    11:25  10:18
    17. SG Wattenscheid 09	    18:25   9:19
    18. FC Schalke 04		    10:29   6:22

Top Scorers
	
	10	Kuntz (Kaiserslautern)
		Zarate (N�rnberg)
	9	Yeboah (Frankfurt)    
		B�ron (Hamburg)
	8	Sergio (Leverkusen)

Heiko

    
    Zweite Bundesliga, 14th day

FC Homburg	    - Mainz 05	    1:0
Meppen		    - Stuttgart	    2:2
Wolfsburg	    - Hannover	    0:0
Mannheim	    - Saarbr�cken   3:0
Hertha		    - M�nchen '60   0:1
Fortuna K�ln	    - Bochum	    1:2
Uerdingen	    - Wuppertal	    1:1
St.Pauli	    - Jena	    2:1
Rostock		    - Essen	    0:2
Chemnitz	    - TB Berlin	    1:0

     1. VfL Bochum		23: 8	22: 6 P
     2.	TSV M�nchen 1860	21:16	20: 8 P
     3.	VfL Wolfsburg		17:14	17:11 P
     4. Bayer 05 Uerdingen	18:13	16:10
     5. FC Hansa Rostock	22:16	16:12 
     6.	FC Homburg		21:17	15:13
     7.	FC Saarbr�cken		25:28	15:13
     8.	Rot-Weiss Essen		22:17	14:12
     9.	Fortuna K�ln		22:21	14:14
    10. SV Meppen		20:19	14:14
    11.	SV Waldhof Mannheim	14:14	13:13 
    12. Chemnitzer FC		11:18	13:13 
    13. Hannover 96		14:12	13:15
    14.	Hertha BSC Berlin	17:17	13:15
        FC St.Pauli		17:17	13:15 
    16. Wuppertaler SV		11:14	13:15 R 
    17. FSV Mainz 05		10:13	11:15 R
    18. FC Carl-Zeiss Jena	14:18	10:18 R
    19. Stuttgarter Kickers	 9:21	 8:18 R
    20.	Tennis Borussia Berlin	 5:21	 4:24 R

Heiko
    

    
    DFB Pokal		Quarterfinals
    
    
    
    SC Freiburg		- TB Berlin
    
    FC Carl-Zeiss Jena	- Rot-Weiss Essen
    
    SV Werder Bremen	-  { Borussia M�nchengladbach / 
    			     1.FC Kaiserslautern }
    
    { Dynamo Dresden /
      Bayern M�nchen }	- Bayer Leverkusen
    
     

    
    German Bundesliga 15th day

M�nchengladbach	- Hamburg		2:2
Schakle		- Leipzig		3:1
Kaiserslautern	- Wattenscheid		4:1
K�ln		- Bremen		2:0
Freiburg	- Stuttgart		2:1
Karlsruhe	- Duisburg		5:0
N�rnberg	- M�nchen		2:0
Frankfurt	- Dortmund		2:0
Dresden		- Leverkusen		1:1

     1. Eintracht Frankfurt	    34:13  24: 6
     2. FC Bayern M�nchen	    37:17  19:11
     3. 1.FC Kaiserslautern	    30:20  19:11
     4. SV Werder Bremen	    26:18  19:11
     5. Hamburger SV		    29:24  18:12
     6. MSV Duisburg		    21:21  18:12
     7. TSV Bayer 04 Leverkusen	    29:22  17:13
     8. 1.FC K�ln		    21:18  17:13
     9. Borussia Dortmund	    22:22  15:15
    10. SC Freiburg		    25:27  14:16
    11. Karlsruher SC		    19:17  13:15
    12. VfB Stuttgart		    21:26  13:15
    13. 1.FC N�rnberg		    20:26  12:18
    14. Dynamo Dresden		    16:27  12:18
    15. Borussia M�nchengladbach    24:33  11:19
    16. VfB Leipzig		    12:28  10:20
    17. SG Wattenscheid 09	    19:29   9:21
    18. FC Schalke 04		    13:30   8:22

Top Scorers
	
	11	Kuntz (Kaiserslautern)
	10	Zarate (N�rnberg)
	9	Yeboah (Frankfurt)    
		B�ron (Hamburg)
	8	Sergio (Leverkusen)
		Polster (K�ln)
		von Heesen (Hamburg)
Heiko

    
    Zweite Bundesliga, 15th day

St.Pauli	    - Uerdingen		    0:0
Stuttgarter Kick.   - Rostock		    3:2
Mainz		    - Chemnitz		    5:1
Wuppertal	    - Fort. K�ln	    1:2
Saarbr�cken	    - Wolfsburg		    2:1
Hannover	    - Homburg		    1:3
TB Berlin	    - Meppen		    1:1
M�nchen 1860	    - Mannheim		    3:1
Jena		    - Essen		    2:0
Bochum		    - Hertha		    today


     1. VfL Bochum		23: 8	22: 6 P
     2.	TSV M�nchen 1860	25:17	22: 8 P
     3. Bayer 05 Uerdingen	18:13	17:11 P
     4.	FC Homburg		24:18	17:13
     5.	VfL Wolfsburg		18:16	17:13 
     6.	FC Saarbr�cken		27:29	17:13
     7. FC Hansa Rostock	22:16	16:14 
     8.	Fortuna K�ln		24:22	16:14
     9. SV Meppen		21:20	15:15
    10.	Rot-Weiss Essen		23:19	14:14
    11. FC St.Pauli		17:17	14:16 
    12. FSV Mainz 05		15:14	13:15
    13.	Hertha BSC Berlin	17:17	13:15
    14.	SV Waldhof Mannheim	15:17	13:15 
    15. Chemnitzer FC		12:23	13:15 
    16. Hannover 96		15:15	13:17 R
    17. Wuppertaler SV		12:16	13:17 R 
    18. FC Carl-Zeiss Jena	16:18	12:18 R
    19. Stuttgarter Kickers	12:23	10:18 R
    20.	Tennis Borussia Berlin	 6:22	 5:25 R

Heiko
    

    
    Yesterday the two remaining matches of the cup were played:
    
    Borussia M�nchengladbach	- 1.FC Kaiserslautern	2:3
    Dynamo Dresden		- FC Bayern M�nchen	2:1
    
    
    
    So the Quarterfinals will look as follows:
    
    					
    						2.Bundesliga - 2.Bundsliga
    FC Carl-Zeiss Jena		- Rot-Weiss Essen
    
    						Bundesliga - 2.Bundsliga
    SC Freiburg			- Tennis Borussia Berlin
    
    						Bundesliga - Bundsliga
    SV Werder Bremen		- 1.FC Kaiserslautern
    Dynamo Dresden		- TSV Bayer 04 Leverkusen
    
    Heiko

�  Borussia M�nchengladbach	- 1.FC Kaiserslautern	2:3

   The 0:1 resulted from one of the most beautiful own goals I've ever seen.

   A player from Kaiserslautern on the left wing crossed the ball about on
   level with the penalty area. A player from M'Gladbach, who was running
   towards the goal, kicked the ball with the back of his heel over his
   head and over the goalkeeper into the goal. This happened in the first few 
   minutes. It frustrated the player so much that he was substituted after
   20 min.
                                                                                
                                                                                
                         >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                          
                        >                             >                         
                       >                               >                        
                      >                                 > ||                    
                     > O                  O              >||                    
                    >  |\                 |               >|                    
                    >  |+--             --+               |>                    
                    O  ||                 |               ||>                   
                    ~\ /\                 |               || >                  
                      V  \                |               ||  >                 
                          \_             _|               ||                    
                                                                                
                            I------penalty area------------I                                                    
                                                                                
   Eduard
	(sorry, never been good at drawing :-))

  Ed that looks like a ballet dancer!!!! How many beers did ya have yesterday
evening????!!!!

                                                            -dave-

    
    German Bundesliga 16th day

Duisburg		- Schalke		1:0
Dortmund		- Kaiserslautern	2:1
Bremen			- Dresden		0:1
Stuttgart		- Leverkusen		1:4
K�ln			- M�nchengladbach	0:4
Hamburg			- Frankfurt		3:0
Wattenscheid		- N�rnberg		2:1
M�nchen			- Karlsruhe		1:0
Leipzig			- Freiburg		2:2


     1. Eintracht Frankfurt	    34:16  24: 8
     2. FC Bayern M�nchen	    38:17  21:11
     3. Hamburger SV		    32:24  20:12
     4. MSV Duisburg		    22:21  20:12
     5. TSV Bayer 04 Leverkusen	    33:23  19:13
     6. 1.FC Kaiserslautern	    31:22  19:13
     7. SV Werder Bremen	    26:19  19:13
     8. Borussia Dortmund	    24:23  17:15
     9. 1.FC K�ln		    21:22  17:15
    10. SC Freiburg		    27:29  15:17
    11. Karlsruher SC		    19:18  14:18
    12. VfB Stuttgart		    22:30  14:18
    13. Dynamo Dresden		    17:27  14:18
    14. Borussia M�nchengladbach    28:33  13:19
    13. 1.FC N�rnberg		    21:28  12:20
    16. SG Wattenscheid 09	    21:30  11:21
    17. VfB Leipzig		    14:40  11:21
    18. FC Schalke 04		    13:31   8:24

Top Scorers
	
	12	Kuntz (Kaiserslautern)
	11	Sergio (Leverkusen)
	10	B�ron (Hamburg)
		Zarate (N�rnberg)
	9	Yeboah (Frankfurt)    
		von Heesen (Hamburg)
	8	Polster (K�ln)


Heiko

    
    Zweite Bundesliga, 16th day

Fortuna K�ln	    - St.Pauli		1:2
Uerdingen	    - Jena		0:0
Wolfsburg	    - M�nchen 1860	0:0
Hertha		    - Wuppertal		0:3
Rostock		    - TB Berlin		2:1
Chemnitz	    - Hannover 96	1:0
Meppen		    - Mainz		1:1
Mannheim	    - Bochum		1:0
Essen		    - Stuttgart Kick.	0:0
Homburg		    - Saarbr�cken	2:2


     1. VfL Bochum		26:10	24: 8 P
     2.	TSV M�nchen 1860	25:17	23: 9 P
     3. Bayer 05 Uerdingen	18:13	18:12 P
     4.	FC Homburg		26:20	18:14
     5. FC Hansa Rostock	26:20	18:14 
     6.	VfL Wolfsburg		18:16	18:14 
     7.	FC Saarbr�cken		29:31	18:14
     8.	Rot-Weiss Essen		24:19	17:15
     9.	Fortuna K�ln		25:24	16:16
    10. SV Meppen		22:21	16:16
    11. FC St.Pauli		19:18	16:16 
    12. Chemnitzer FC		13:23	15:15 
    13. Wuppertaler SV		15:16	15:17 
    14.	SV Waldhof Mannheim	16:19	15:17 
    15. FSV Mainz 05		16:15	14:16
    16. Hannover 96		15:16	13:19 R
    17. FC Carl-Zeiss Jena	16:18	13:19 R
    18.	Hertha BSC Berlin	18:23	13:19 R
    19. Stuttgarter Kickers	12:23	11:19 R
    20.	Tennis Borussia Berlin	 7:24	 5:27 R

Heiko
    

    
    German Bundesliga 17th day (Halftime)

M�nchengladbach		- Bremen		3:2
Karlsruhe		- Wattenscheid		2:0
Frankfurt		- K�ln			0:3
Leverkusen		- Leipzig		3:1
Freiburg		- Duisburg		1:2
Schalke			- M�nchen		1:1
N�rnberg		- Dortmund		0:0
Kaiserslautern		- Hamburg		3:0
Dresden			- Stuttgart		1:0

     1. Eintracht Frankfurt	    34:19  24:10
     2. FC Bayern M�nchen	    39:18  22:12
     3. MSV Duisburg		    24:22  22:12
     4. TSV Bayer 04 Leverkusen	    36:24  21:13
     5. 1.FC Kaiserslautern	    34:22  21:13
     6. Hamburger SV		    32:27  20:14
     7. SV Werder Bremen	    28:22  19:15
     8. 1.FC K�ln		    24:22  19:15
     9. Borussia Dortmund	    24:23  18:16
    10. Karlsruher SC		    21:18  16:18
    11. Dynamo Dresden		    18:27  16:18
    12. SC Freiburg		    28:31  15:19
    13. Borussia M�nchengladbach    31:35  15:19
    14. VfB Stuttgart		    22:31  14:20
    15. 1.FC N�rnberg		    21:28  13:21
    16. SG Wattenscheid 09	    21:32  11:23
    17. VfB Leipzig		    15:33  11:23
    18. FC Schalke 04		    14:32   9:25

Top Scorers
	
	13	Kuntz (Kaiserslautern)
	11	Sergio (Leverkusen)
	10	B�ron (Hamburg)
		Zarate (N�rnberg)
	9	Yeboah (Frankfurt)    
		von Heesen (Hamburg)
		Polster (K�ln)

* For the first time this season, Dresden is safe regarding their 4 point
  reduction at the end of the season.

* Duisburg is the second best ever newcomer in Bundesliga history concerning
  the table at halftime of the season. Only Bayern M�nchen was better in 1965,
  starting with 25:9 points.

Heiko

    
    Zweite Bundesliga, 17th day

Bochum		- Wolfsburg	    2:0
Stuttgart Kick.	- Jena		    0:2
M�nchen 1860	- Homburg	    1:0
Saarbr�cken	- Chemnitz	    1:0
Hannover 96	- Meppen	    1:1
Uerdingen	- Fort. K�ln	    0:2
Mainz		- Rostock	    3:1
TB Berlin	- Essen		    2:2
St.Pauli	- Hertha	    1:0
Wuppertal	- Mannheim	    1:1


     1. VfL Bochum		28:10	26: 8 P
     2.	TSV M�nchen 1860	26:17	25: 9 P
     3.	FC Saarbr�cken		30:31	20:14 P
     4. Bayer 05 Uerdingen	18:15	19:15 
     5.	FC Homburg		26:21	18:16
     	Rot-Weiss Essen		26:21	18:16
     7. FC Hansa Rostock	27:23	18:16 
     8.	Fortuna K�ln		27:24	18:16
     9. FC St.Pauli		20:18	18:16 
    10.	VfL Wolfsburg		18:18	18:16 
    11. FSV Mainz 05		20:17	17:17
    12. SV Meppen		23:22	17:17
    13. Wuppertaler SV		16:17	16:18 
    14.	SV Waldhof Mannheim	17:20	16:18 
    15. FC Carl-Zeiss Jena	18:18	15:19
    16. Chemnitzer FC		13:26	15:19 R 
    17. Hannover 96		16:17	14:20 R
    18.	Hertha BSC Berlin	18:24	13:21 R
    19. Stuttgarter Kickers	14:25	13:21 R
    20.	Tennis Borussia Berlin	 9:26	 6:28 R

No newcomer has ever managed to march right through into the Bundesliga. 
Will the Lions (M�nchen 1860) do it ?

Heiko
    

    
    Here's hoping they do...this guy Pacult was on the scoresheet again.
    Shame he's only on loan...
    
    

    
    Bremen doesn't look very good just before their firt Champion's
    league match against Porto. They just keep on loosing points.
                              

    1860 has the option to buy Pacult after the season - for 70.000 Marks,
    if I remember right. So that's what they'll probably do.
    
    Margit
    

    
    70.000 DM !!!!  Hardly enough for a new Mercedes....
    
    

    
    Hamburger SV got Karsten B�ron for 30.000 DM last year. He's now
    worth about DM 1.750.000, local papers say.
    
    Where's Pacult from, and how old is he ?
    
    Heiko

    Peter Pacult is from Austria, played for the national Austrian team.
    Age: still 33. So far he scored 10 goals this season. But I think his
    most important feature is his experience and the confidence he brought
    into the team. He turned out to be one of their most valuable (if not
    the most valuable) players. I think, 1860 was more than lucky to get
    him for so little money.
    
    Margit
    

    Almost forgot, he played for Stahl Linz before he came to Munich.
    
    Margit
    

  Margit I hope they can maintain their form, but at the moment their looking
good with a 5-6 point cushion to 4th place. It would be great to see them play
and beat that other team in Munich. 

  Did anybody see "Talk in Turm" a few weeks back with Uli Hoeness, the trainer
from Freiburg, and a few other chaps from DFB etc???? Hoeness is a real jerk,
he told the Freiburg trainer that they wouldn't survive, and that their stadium
isn't big enough for First Division footie... I like Ribbeck he has a very honest
personality but Hoeness is just one bad ass... Just ask Lothar Maetthaus.. He
attacked his wife verbally a few months ago...
                                                                    -dave-

    
    I would say most of Germany are hoping the Loewen get promoted. In fact
    it would be quite nice for Bayern to get stuffed at the Grunwalder
    Stadium and Hoeness to comment on their Stadium...That club Bayern is
    just toooooo arrogant.
    
    Dezzz.

    It doesn't look to bad for them either.
    
    Apart from Bochum there's no team that comes to mind when guessing the 
    promotions. 
    
    Bochum, Saarbr�cken and M�nchen I say.
    
    Heiko

    
    I was looking at the table in the Kicker there yesterday, and the team
    that really surprises me was Fortuna Koeln. Their away record is second
    to none but have only picked up 4 out of 16 home points. A good home
    run coupled with their outstanding away form could put them in
    contention...after all we're not even halfway through this league
    yet...
    
    Dezzz.

  Does anybody know if Tony Woodcock has still any involvement in the club?? He
used to play for them, and I also believe he was trainer for a while....

    re .351
    
    The "L�wen" surprised everyone - even their most dedicated supporters.
    And if they actually do make it (knock on wood) the Marienplatz
    wouldn't be big enough to hold their fans.
    
    They still may lack some technical skills, but they are big fighters.
    Which makes me confident that at least they'll remain in the second
    division. Which would be a success already.
    
    Dave, I saw "Talk im Turm". You are absolutely right!
    
    Margit
    

    
    German Bundesliga 18th day (from memory)

Dresden		    - Leipzig		1:0
Schalke		    - Wattenscheid	4:1
Kaiserslautern	    - K�ln		3:0
Karlsruhe	    - Dortmund		3:3
N�rnberg	    - Hamburg		0:1
Frankfurt	    - M�nchengladabch	0:3
Freiburg	    - M�nchen		3:1
Stuttgart	    - Bremen		0:0
Leverkusen	    - Duisburg		2:1

Table (if my results are right)

     1. Eintracht Frankfurt	    34:22  24:12
     2. 1.FC Kaiserslautern	    37:22  23:13
     3. TSV Bayer 04 Leverkusen	    38:25  23:13
     4. FC Bayern M�nchen	    40:21  22:14
     5. Hamburger SV		    33:27  22:14
     6. MSV Duisburg		    25:24  22:14
     7. SV Werder Bremen	    28:22  20:16
     8. Borussia Dortmund	    27:26  19:17
     9. 1.FC K�ln		    24:25  19:17
    10. Dynamo Dresden		    19:27  18:18
    11. Karlsruher SC		    24:21  17:19
    12. Borussia M�nchengladbach    34:35  17:19
    13. SC Freiburg		    31:32  17:19
    14. VfB Stuttgart		    22:31  15:21
    15. 1.FC N�rnberg		    21:29  13:21
    16. SG Wattenscheid 09	    22:36  11:25
    17. FC Schalke 04		    18:33  11:25
    18. VfB Leipzig		    15:34  11:25

Top Scorers
	
	14	Kuntz (Kaiserslautern)
	11	Sergio (Leverkusen)
	10	B�ron (Hamburg)
		Zarate (N�rnberg)
		von Heesen (Hamburg)
	9	Yeboah (Frankfurt)    

Heiko

   Well Iam sure Hoeness feels a bit like a Jackass after Bayern got stuffed by
the team he was telling everybody wouldn't survive in the league, Freiburg. Only
3 weeks ago he was attacking their trainer in a talk show stating that their
stadium was too small and they wouldn't and couldn't survive in the top league.
I wish Frankfurt would stop screwing around and get back on wining ways, its 
hard to believe they lost their last three games with the same scoreline 0-3 and
their still at the top. Ah well the same will happen Man Utd.....;)


                                                              -dave-

    German Cup �finals:
    
    FC Carl-Zeiss Jena	- Rot Weiss Essen	n:n+1	(pen)
    
    SC Freiburg		- TB Berlin		0:1
    Dynamo Dresden	- Bayer Leverkusen	6:5	(pen)
    Werder Bremen	- 1.FC Kaiserslautern	PP
    
    
    German Cup �finals
    
    Rot-Weiss Essen	- TB Berlin
    Dynamo Dresden	- Bremen/Kaiserslautern
    
    Heiko
    

    
    German Bundesliga 19th day 

Dortmund	- Schalke		1:1
M�nchengladbach	- Kaiserslautern	3:1
Wattenscheid	- Freiburg		3:1
Leipzig		- Stuttgart		0:0
M�nchen		- Leverkusen		1:1
Hamburg		- Karlsruhe		1:1
Bremen		- Frankfurt		1:0
K�ln		- N�rnberg		0:1
Duisburg	- Dresden		1:1


     1. TSV Bayer 04 Leverkusen	    39:26  24:14
     2. Eintracht Frankfurt	    34:23  24:14
     3. FC Bayern M�nchen	    41:22  23:15
     4. 1.FC Kaiserslautern	    38:25  23:15
     5. Hamburger SV		    34:28  23:15
     6. MSV Duisburg		    26:25  23:15
     7. SV Werder Bremen	    29:22  22:16
     8. Borussia Dortmund	    28:27  20:18
     9. Borussia M�nchengladbach    37:36  19:19
    10. 1.FC K�ln		    24:26  19:19
    11. Dynamo Dresden		    20:28  19:19
    12. Karlsruher SC		    25:22  18:20
    13. SC Freiburg		    32:35  17:21
    14. VfB Stuttgart		    22:31  16:22
    15. 1.FC N�rnberg		    22:29  15:23
    16. SG Wattenscheid 09	    25:37  13:25
    17. FC Schalke 04		    19:34  12:26
    18. VfB Leipzig		    15:34  12:26

Top Scorers
	
	14	Kuntz (Kaiserslautern)
	11	Sergio (Leverkusen)
	10	B�ron (Hamburg)
		Zarate (N�rnberg)
		von Heesen (Hamburg)
	9	Yeboah (Frankfurt)    

Heiko

    
    Zweite Bundesliga, 19th day

St.Pauli	- Wolfsburg		1:0
Uerdingen	- Mannheim		1:2
Mainz		- Stuttgart Kick.	4:0
TB Berlin	- Jena			0:0
Bochum		- Chemnitz		3:2
M�nchen 1860	- Meppen		1:2
Saarbr�cken	- Rostock		4:0
Wuppertal	- Homburg		1:1

     1. VfL Bochum		31:12	29: 9 P
     2.	TSV M�nchen 1860	28:20	26:12 P
     3.	FC Saarbr�cken		34:34	22:16 P
     4. SV Meppen		28:23	21:17
     5. FC St.Pauli		21:18	21:17 
     6. FSV Mainz 05		24:17	20:18
     7.	FC Homburg		27:22	20:18
     8. Bayer 05 Uerdingen	21:19	20:18 
     9.	VfL Wolfsburg		20:20	20:18 
    10.	Rot-Weiss Essen		26:21	19:17
    11.	Fortuna K�ln		29:26	19:17
    12.	SV Waldhof Mannheim	19:21	19:19 
    13. FC Hansa Rostock	27:27	18:18 
    14. FC Carl-Zeiss Jena	20:20	17:21
    15. Wuppertaler SV		18:20	17:21 
    16. Chemnitzer FC		16:30	16:22 R 
    17. Stuttgarter Kickers	17:30	15:23 R
    18. Hannover 96		16:17	14:20 R
    19.	Hertha BSC Berlin	19:25	14:22 R
    20.	Tennis Borussia Berlin	10:29	 7:31 R

Heiko
    

    I think Frankfurt is off and will not come back.
    So there are some teams which can make it.
    Dortmund ? Bremen ? Bayern ? Hamburg ? Leverkusen ? or
    Moenchengladbach ? 
    I don`t know but from the players power i hope it`ll be
    Borussia Dortmund ...
    
    christian_BVB_support_Munich
    

I lost faith in Dortmund. Compared to last year they are 
lacking - what should I call it - "team spirit". Maybe they 
shouldn't have sold Rummenigge after all. Leverkusen looks 
pretty good to me (ask Stepi!). Let's see what happens next 
weekend.

Margit

    
    I wouldn't write Frankfurt off this soon.
    I wouldn't write Bremen off this soon.
    
    Hamburg and Duisburg are no contenders. Kaiserslautern .. maybe.
    Dortmund is mediocre this year. 
    
    Pred:
      1. Leverkusen
      2. Bayern
      3. Frankfurt
      4. Breme
      5. Kaiserslautern
      6. Hamburg
      7. K�ln
      8. Duisburg
      9. M�nchengladbach
     10. Dortmund
     11. Karlsruhe
     12. Freiburg
     13. Dresden (save)
     14. Stuttgart
     15. N�rnberg
     16. Schalke
     17. Wattenscheid
     18. Leipzif

    .363
    >>Maybe they shouldn't have sold Rummenigge after all
    
    Yes that's right I think they're missing a brilliant midfield
    player. Now somebody could say that there is Sammer, but
    Sammer in my opinion is brilliant in more defensive lines but
    isn't a man like 'Bein' or 'Schuster' ...
    
    >>Leverkusen looks pretty good to me
    
    Yes maybe at the moment ...
    But this team has no face and in the end they will become a position
    between 4-6.
    
    Don't loose your faith in Dortmund !!!!
    Next year after the winterpause they will go for the champion.
    And remember we have the best fans in the world (ole hier kommt 
    der BVB ...)
    
    christian_BVB_Support_Munich
     

    
    Does anyone know what has happened to Anthony Yeboah of Frankfurt ??? I
    haven't been watching the highlights on Sat 1 recently,but following
    the updates in this note,it looks like he hasn't scored since August or
    September.I would assume he is injured,does anyone know ?
         I also see that Borussia M'gladbach have started their late run in
    the league a few months earlier this season.What are the fixtures for
    this weekend ?
    
    Andy.
    
    
    

    Anthony Yeboah tore the ligaments of his knee and won't be back
    until beginning of next year (well, soon ;-)). He has already
    started training. Frankfurt surely will be happy when he's back again.
    They have been doing quite bad since his injury.
    
    Eduard (also looking forward for his comeback because he's a brilliant
    striker)

    >365 "the best fans"
    
    At least they are the most musical ones. Their singing is incredibly.
    I think that's why Brondby lost in the end.
    
    Margit
    

    
    German Bundesliga 20th day 

    N�rnberg	    - M�nchengladbach	2:4
    Stuttgart	    - Duisburg		4:0
    Dresden	    - M�nchen		1:1
    Karlsruhe	    - K�ln		2:0
    Schalke	    - Hamburg		1:0
    Freiburg	    - Dortmund		4:1
    Leverkusen	    - Wattenscheid	1:1
    Leipzig	    - Bremen		1:1
    Kaiserslautern  - Frankfurt		1:1
    

     1. TSV Bayer 04 Leverkusen	    40:27  25:15
     2. Eintracht Frankfurt	    35:24  25:15
     3. FC Bayern M�nchen	    42:23  24:16
     4. 1.FC Kaiserslautern	    39:26  24:16
     5. SV Werder Bremen	    30:23  23:17
     6. Hamburger SV		    34:29  23:17
     7. MSV Duisburg		    26:29  23:17
     8. Borussia M�nchengladbach    41:38  21:19
     9. Karlsruher SC		    27:22  20:20
    10. Borussia Dortmund	    29:31  20:20
    11. Dynamo Dresden		    21:29  20:20
    12. SC Freiburg		    36:36  19:21
    13. 1.FC K�ln		    24:28  19:21
    14. VfB Stuttgart		    26:31  18:22
    15. 1.FC N�rnberg		    24:33  15:25
    16. SG Wattenscheid 09	    26:38  14:26
    17. FC Schalke 04		    20:34  14:26
    18. VfB Leipzig		    16:35  13:27

Top Scorers
	
	15	Kuntz (Kaiserslautern)
	11	Sergio (Leverkusen)
	10	B�ron (Hamburg)
		Zarate (N�rnberg)
		von Heesen (Hamburg)
		Chapuisat (Dortmund)
		Kirsten	(Leverkusen)
Heiko

    
    I noticed in the Man Utd note the references of one player making the
    team tick...Yeboah must rank as THE one for Frankfurt...since his
    injury they've done almost nothing apart from get into the Quarter
    finals of the UEFA cup.
    
    VERY tight in the Bundesliga...
    
    Dezzz.

    re .364
    
    Yes Dortmund played very poor and mediocre
    this season, but I think all teams in the
    german BL played mediocre this BL-season !!
    Exception is Fankfurt which played some
    brilliant matches in the first BL-rounds.
    Or did you see an excellent match from
    Munich, Bremen, Stuttgart ...
    or by Leverkusen ??
    We have mostly a balanced season ...
    
    christian
                                      

    
    Stuttgart:  new coach for Daum, Juergen Roeber (RW Essen) signed
                a contract until 6/95.
                JR played at Bremen and Hamburg.
    
    Kaiserslautern: Friedel Rausch extended his contract for another
                    2 years.
    
    Munich: probably Beckenbauer will become coach for the last matches
            after the winter pause.
            Conversations with Oliver Kahn from Karlsruhe this week.
    
    Karlsruhe: Manager R�hl will come to an end.
               Kahn, see above.
    
    christian

    
    Uwe Fuchs (Kaiserslautern) is on loan to Dynamo Dresden.
    
    Drago Pancev (Milan?) is on loan to VfB Leipzig. REALLY! 
    
    Heiko

    
    German Indoor Masters, Participants 
    
    	Borussia Dortmund	- as host
    	1.FC K�ln		- as defender of indoor championship
    	SV Werder Bremen	- as Outdoor Champion
    	Bayer Leverkusen	- as Outdoor Cup winner
    
    	Eintracht Frankfurt	\
    	Hamburger SV		 \ best results in the 8 qualification
    	Hertha BSC Berlin	 / tournaments. Not qualified: Dresden
    	VfL Bochum		/  (5th), Karlsruhe (6th), Bayern,
    				   Kaiserslautern
    
    
    Tournament to be played: next weekend (????)
    
    Heiko

    
    German Bundesliga 22nd day 

    MSV Duisburg	- Werder Bremen		1:0
    VfB Stuttgart	- Wattenscheid 09	3:0
    Dynamo Dresden	- Borussia Dortmund	3:0
    Schalke 04		- Borussia M�nchengladb.2:1
    SC Freiburg		- 1.FC K�ln		2:4
    Bayer Leverkusen	- Hamburger SV		1:2    
    VfB Leipzig		- Bayern M�nchen	1:3
    1.FC N�rnberg	- 1.FC Kaiserslautern	0:2
    Karlsruher SC	- Eintracht Frankfurt	1:0


     1. MSV Duisburg		    29:30  27:17
     2. FC Bayern M�nchen	    46:27  26:18
     3. 1.FC Kaiserslautern	    41:28  26:18
     4. Eintracht Frankfurt	    36:26  26:18
     5. Hamburger SV		    37:31  26:18
     6. TSV Bayer 04 Leverkusen	    41:30  25:19
     7. SV Werder Bremen	    32:24  25:19
     8. Karlsruher SC		    30:23  24:20
     9. Dynamo Dresden		    25:30  23:21
    10. VfB Stuttgart		    32:32  22:22
    11. 1.FC K�ln		    29:31  22:22
    12. Borussia Dortmund	    30:34  22:22
    13. Borussia M�nchengladbach    43:42  21:23
    14. SC Freiburg		    39:41  20:24
    15. FC Schalke 04		    23:36  17:27
    16. 1.FC N�rnberg		    25:36  16:28
    17. SG Wattenscheid 09	    27:42  15:29
    18. VfB Leipzig		    18:40  13:31

Top Scorers
	
	16	Kuntz (Kaiserslautern)
	12	von Heesen (Hamburg)
	11	Sergio (Leverkusen)
		Polster (K�ln)
		Chapuisat (Dortmund)

Heiko

    Stange kicked of.
    
    As a result of innumerable defeats in recent games 
    coach Stange from Leipzig had to sign of.
    New coach will become J.Sundermann, former coach
    of VFB Stuttgart.
    
    christian

    
    German Bundesliga 23rd day 

	Bremen			- N�rnberg		2:2
    	Dortmund		- Stuttgart		P:P
    	Frankfurt		- Schalke		1:3
    	Hamburg			- Dresden		1:1
    	Kaiserslautern		- Karlsruhe		0:0
    	K�ln			- Leverkusen		1:1
    	M�nchengladbach		- Freiburg		1:1
    	M�nchen			- Duisburg		4:0
    	Wattenscheid		- Leipzig		2:2

     1. FC Bayern M�nchen	    50:27  28:18
     2. 1.FC Kaiserslautern	    41:28  27:19
     3. Hamburger SV		    38:32  27:19
     4. MSV Duisburg		    29:34  27:19
     5. TSV Bayer 04 Leverkusen	    42:31  26:20
     6. Eintracht Frankfurt	    37:29  26:20
     7. SV Werder Bremen	    34:26  26:20
     8. Karlsruher SC		    31:24  25:21
     9. Dynamo Dresden		    26:31  24:22
    10. 1.FC K�ln		    30:32  23:23
    11. VfB Stuttgart		    32:32  22:22
    12. Borussia Dortmund	    30:34  22:22
    13. Borussia M�nchengladbach    44:43  22:24
    14. SC Freiburg		    40:42  21:25
    15. FC Schalke 04		    26:37  19:27
    16. 1.FC N�rnberg		    27:38  17:29
    17. SG Wattenscheid 09	    29:44  16:30
    18. VfB Leipzig		    20:42  14:32

Top Scorers
	
	16	Kuntz (Kaiserslautern)
	13	von Heesen (Hamburg)
    	12	Zarate (N�rnberg)
	11	Sergio (Leverkusen)
		Polster (K�ln)
		Chapuisat (Dortmund)
    	10	B�ron (Hamburg)
    		Marschall (Dresden)
    		Yeboah (Frankfurt)
    
    Heiko

Heiko

    
    German Bundesliga 24th day 

	Duisburg	- Wattenscheid		2:1
	Dresden		- K�ln			1:1
	Leverkusen	- M�nchengladbach	0:1
	Leipzig		- Dortmund		2:3
	Karlsruhe	- N�rnberg		3:2
	Schalke		- Kaiserslautern	2:0
	M�nchen		- Bremen		2:0
	Stuttgart	- Hamburg		4:0
	Freiburg	- Frankfurt		1:3

     1. FC Bayern M�nchen	    52:27  30:18
     2. MSV Duisburg		    31:35  29:19
     3. Eintracht Frankfurt	    40:30  28:20
     4. 1.FC Kaiserslautern	    41:30  27:21
     5. Karlsruher SC		    33:25  27:21
     6. Hamburger SV		    38:36  27:21
     7. TSV Bayer 04 Leverkusen	    42:32  26:22
     8. SV Werder Bremen	    34:28  26:22
     9. Dynamo Dresden		    27:32  25:23
    10. VfB Stuttgart		    36:32  24:22
    11. Borussia Dortmund	    33:36  24:22
    12. Borussia M�nchengladbach    45:43  24:24
    13. 1.FC K�ln		    31:33  24:24
    14. SC Freiburg		    41:45  21:27
    15. FC Schalke 04		    28:37  21:27
    16. 1.FC N�rnberg		    29:41  17:31
    17. SG Wattenscheid 09	    30:46  16:32
    18. VfB Leipzig		    22:45  14:34

Top Scorers
	
	16	Kuntz (Kaiserslautern)
	13	von Heesen (Hamburg)
		Zarate (N�rnberg)
	12	Chapuisat (Dortmund)
		Yeboah (Frankfurt)
	
Heiko

    German Cup Semifinals
    
    Rot Weiss Essen	- Tennis Borussia Berlin	2:0
    Dynamo Dresden	- SV Werder Bremen		0:2
    
    Heiko

    
    Heiko,
    
    I was switching between RTL and the England game last night...what was
    all the commotion with about 10 minutes to go..it had visions of when
    Red-Star were playing Dresden a few years back and the match got called
    off...
    
    Regards,
    
    Dezzz. 

    
    I have no idea, Dezzz.  I've got the score from ARD Videotext.
    
    Heiko

    
    German Bundesliga 26th day 

Stuttgart	- M�nchengladbach	3:0
Freiburg	- N�rnberg		0:0
Leverkusen	- Kaiserslautern	3:2
Dresden		- Frankfurt		0:4
Schalke		- Karlsruhe		2:0
Duisburg	- Hamburg		0:1
Leipzig		- K�ln			2:3
M�nchen		- Dortmund		0:0
Wattenscheid	- Bremen		Tuesd.

     1. FC Bayern M�nchen	    55:28  33:19
     2. Eintracht Frankfurt	    46:30  32:20
     3. Hamburger SV		    42:36  31:21
     4. 1.FC Kaiserslautern	    44:33  29:23
     5. Karlsruher SC		    35:27  29:23
     6. MSV Duisburg		    32:38  29:23
     7. TSV Bayer 04 Leverkusen	    45:36  28:24
     8. VfB Stuttgart		    42:36  28:24
     9. 1.FC K�ln		    37:36  28:24
    10. Borussia Dortmund	    36:39  27:25
    11. SV Werder Bremen	    34:30  26:24
    12. Borussia M�nchengladbach    47:47  26:26
    13. Dynamo Dresden		    28:38  25:27
    14. FC Schalke 04		    30:38  23:29
    15. SC Freiburg		    41:46  22:30
    16. 1.FC N�rnberg		    30:41  20:32
    17. SG Wattenscheid 09	    31:49  16:34
    18. VfB Leipzig		    24:51  14:38

Top Scorers
	
	16	Kuntz (Kaiserslautern)
	14	Polster (K�ln)
		von Heesen (Hamburg)
		Yeboah (Frankfurt)
	13	Chapuisat (Dortmund)
		Zarate (N�rnberg)
	
Heiko

    
    Zweite Bundesliga, 24th day

Bochum		- TB Berlin	    5:1
St.Pauli	- Essen		    1:0
Fortuna K�ln	- Meppen	    1:1
Hertha BSC	- Chemnitz	    1:2
Mannheim	- Homburg	    2:1
Saarbr�cken	- Hannover	    0:4
M�nchen 1860	- Mainz		    0:2
Uerdingen	- Rostock	    2:1
Wolfsburg	- Jena		    5:1
Wuppertal	- Stuttgarter K.    P:P


     1. VfL Bochum		43:15	36:12 P
     2. Bayer 05 Uerdingen	28:20	29:19 P
     3. FC St.Pauli		26:18	28:18 P
     4.	FC Saarbr�cken		42:44	27:21
     5.	TSV M�nchen 1860	29:26	26:18
     6.	SV Waldhof Mannheim	27:26	26:22 
     7.	VfL Wolfsburg		27:27	24:22
     8. Hannover 96		29:24	24:24
     9. FSV Mainz 05		29:25	24:24
    10.	Fortuna K�ln		33:32	23:23
    11. FC Hansa Rostock	34:35	22:22 
    12. SV Meppen		29:31	22:24
    13. Chemnitzer FC		19:33	21:25  
    14.	Hertha BSC Berlin	30:31	21:27 
    15.	FC Homburg		30:31	21:27
    16. FC Carl-Zeiss Jena	25:29	21:27 R
    17. Wuppertaler SV		22:21	20:22 R
    18.	Rot-Weiss Essen		27:29	20:26 R
    19. Stuttgarter Kickers	22:34	19:27 R
    20.	Tennis Borussia Berlin	19:39	12:36 R

Heiko
    

    
    German Bundesliga 27th day 

Frankfurt	- Stuttgart		0:0
N�rnberg	- Leverkusen		2:3
Dortmund	- Wattenscheid		2:0
K�ln		- Duisburg		1:0
M�nchengladb.	- Leipzig		6:1
Karlsruhe	- Freiburg		2:1
Bremen		- Schalke		0:1
Kaiserslautern	- Dresden		0:0
Hamburg		- M�nchen		1:2


     1. FC Bayern M�nchen	    57:29  35:19
     2. Eintracht Frankfurt	    46:30  33:21
     3. Karlsruher SC		    37:28  31:23
     4. Hamburger SV		    43:38  31:23
     5. 1.FC Kaiserslautern	    44:33  30:24
     6. TSV Bayer 04 Leverkusen	    48:38  30:24
     7. 1.FC K�ln		    38:36  30:24
     8. VfB Stuttgart		    42:36  29:25
     9. Borussia Dortmund	    38:39  29:25
    10. MSV Duisburg		    32:39  29:25
    11. Borussia M�nchengladbach    53:48  28:26
    12. SV Werder Bremen	    36:33  27:27
    13. Dynamo Dresden		    28:38  26:28
    14. FC Schalke 04		    31:38  25:29
    15. SC Freiburg		    42:48  22:32
    16. 1.FC N�rnberg		    32:44  20:34
    17. SG Wattenscheid 09	    33:53  17:37
    18. VfB Leipzig		    25:57  14:40

Top Scorers
	
	16	Kuntz (Kaiserslautern)
	14	Polster (K�ln)
		von Heesen (Hamburg)
		Yeboah (Frankfurt)
	13	Chapuisat (Dortmund)
		Sergio (Leverkusen)
		Zarate (N�rnberg)
	
Heiko

    I think I read somewhere else in here that Werder Bremen cruised
    through this game winning it by 11 - 1.
    
    
    Or was it 0-5 in favour of Porto (that would explain all the Portuguese
    exclamations in here today)  ;-)
    
    Jerry.

    
    WARNING!
    
    Next note is on another topic.
    
    Heiko
    

    
    re .-1
    
    It's about time, too
    

    
    German Bundesliga 28th day 

Duisburg	- M�nchengladbach	2:0
Wattenscheid	- Hamburg		3:1
Dresden		- N�rnberg		1:1
Stuttgart	- Kaiserslautern	1:1
M�nchen		- K�ln			1:0
Freiburg	- Schalke		2:3
Leverkusen	- Karlsruhe		3:1
Leipzig		- Frankfurt		1:0
Dortmund	- Bremen		3:2
	
     1. FC Bayern M�nchen	    58:29  37:19
     2. Eintracht Frankfurt	    46:31  33:23
     3. TSV Bayer 04 Leverkusen	    51:39  32:24
     4. 1.FC Kaiserslautern	    45:34  31:25
     5. Karlsruher SC		    38:31  31:25
     6. Hamburger SV		    44:41  31:25
     7. Borussia Dortmund	    41:41  31:25
     8. MSV Duisburg		    34:39  31:25
     9. VfB Stuttgart		    43:37  30:26
    10. 1.FC K�ln		    38:37  30:26
    11. Borussia M�nchengladbach    53:50  28:28
    12. SV Werder Bremen	    38:36  27:29
    13. FC Schalke 04		    34:40  27:29
    14. Dynamo Dresden		    29:39  27:29
    15. SC Freiburg		    44:51  22:34
    16. 1.FC N�rnberg		    33:45  21:35
    17. SG Wattenscheid 09	    36:54  19:37
    18. VfB Leipzig		    26:57  16:40

Top Scorers
	
	16	Chapuisat (Dortmund)
		Kuntz (Kaiserslautern)
	14	Polster (K�ln)
		Sergio (Leverkusen)
		von Heesen (Hamburg)
		Yeboah (Frankfurt)
		
Heiko

    
    Zweite Bundesliga, 26th day

M�nchen	1860	    - Saarbr�cken	2:0
Uerdingen	    - Stuttgart		1:1
St.Pauli	    - TB Berlin		2:1
Fortuna K�ln	    - RW Essen		0:1
Hertha BSC	    - Rostock		0:1
Mannheim	    - Meppen		2:1
Wolfsburg	    - Chemnitz		2:0
Wuppertal	    - Mainz		1:3
Homburg		    - Jena		2:1
Bochum		    - Hannover		2:2

     1. VfL Bochum		47:20	37:15 P
     2. Bayer 05 Uerdingen	31:21	32:20 P
     3. FC St.Pauli		29:20	31:19 P
     4.	TSV 1860 M�nchen	36:29	30:20
     5.	SV Waldhof Mannheim	29:27	29:23 
     6.	FC Saarbr�cken		44:47	29:23
     7. FSV Mainz 05		35:28	28:24
     8.	VfL Wolfsburg		29:27	27:23
     9. FC Hansa Rostock	38:37	27:23 
    10. Hannover 96		32:30	25:27
    11.	Fortuna K�ln		34:34	24:26
    12. SV Meppen		31:33	24:26
    13.	FC Homburg		32:32	24:28
    14. Chemnitzer FC		21:37	23:29  
    15. Wuppertaler SV		26:27	22:26 
    16.	Rot-Weiss Essen		28:31	22:28 R
    17. Stuttgarter Kickers	24:36	21:29 R
    18.	Hertha BSC Berlin	30:33	21:31 R
    19. FC Carl-Zeiss Jena	27:33	21:31 R
    20.	Tennis Borussia Berlin	21:42	13:39 R

Heiko
    

    
    Latest Results
    
    Hamburger SV	- Borussia Dortmund	0:0 (End of Euro-dream ?)
    Bor.M�nchengladbach	- Bayern M�nchen	2:0
    FC K�ln		- Wattenscheid		3:2
    Kaiserslautern	- VfB Leipzig		1:0	
    1.FC N�rnberg	- VfB Stuttgart		1:0
    
    
    FSV Mainz 05	- FC St.Pauli		0:1 (i.e. 22:4 pts in a row)
    TB Berlin		- Bayer Uerdingen	1:1
    FC Jena		- 1860 M�nchen		1:1
    SV Meppen		- VfL Wolfsburg		2:1
    
    Heiko

    
    German Bundesliga 30th day 

Duisburg	- Kaiserslautern	1:7
Hamburg		- Bremen		1:1
Leverkusen	- Freiburg		2:1
Dresden		- Schalke		1:0
Stuttgart	- Karlsruhe		3:0
M�nchen		- Frankfurt		2:1
Wattenscheid	- M�nchengladbach	3:1
Dortmund	- K�ln			2:1
Leipzig		- N�rnberg		0:2


     1. FC Bayern M�nchen	    60:32  39:21
     2. 1.FC Kaiserslautern	    53:35  35:25 ! UEFA Cup spot
     3. TSV Bayer 04 Leverkusen	    54:41  35:25 ! UEFA Cup spot
     4. Borussia Dortmund	    43:42  34:26 ! UEFA Cup spot
     5. Eintracht Frankfurt	    48:35  33:27 ! UEFA Cup spot (1)
     6. Karlsruher SC		    39:34  33:27
     7. Hamburger SV		    45:42  33:27
     8. MSV Duisburg		    37:47  33:27
     9. VfB Stuttgart		    46:38  32:28
    10. 1.FC K�ln		    42:41  32:28
    11. Borussia M�nchengladbach    56:53  30:30
    12. SV Werder Bremen	    42:39  30:30 ! Cup Finalist (2)
    13. Dynamo Dresden		    30:40  29:31 ! (3)
    14. FC Schalke 04		    35:42  28:32 ! (4)
    15. 1.FC N�rnberg		    36:45  25:35
    16. SC Freiburg		    47:56  22:38 ! relegation spot
    17. SG Wattenscheid 09	    41:58  21:39 ! relegation spot
    18. VfB Leipzig		    26:60  16:44 ! relegation spot


    
(1) Frankfurt's management has sacked coach Toppm�ller and goalkeeper
    Stein.
    
(2) Bremen is in the Cup final against RW Essen, currently 2.Bundesliga. 
    RW Essen's will be relegated to Amateur football due to financial problems.
    
(3) Dresden face 4 point deduction at the end of this season, due to 
    presentation of wrong documents in last years financial investigation.

(4) 2 point deduction at the end of the next season, due to repeated breaking
    of the guidelines, which had been set up to reduce Schalke's  debts. 



Top Scorers
	
	16	Chapuisat (Dortmund)
	 	Kuntz (Kaiserslautern)
		Yeboah (Frankfurt)
	15	Sergio (Leverkusen)
		
Heiko

    
    Zweite Bundesliga, 28th day

Uerdingen	- Mainz			3:0
K�ln		- TB Berlin		3:1
Mannheim	- RW Essen		2:2
Hertha BSC	- Stuttgart		0:0
Homburg		- Meppen		5:0
Wuppertal	- Saarbr�cken		4:0
Wolfsburg	- Rostock		1:1
St.Pauli	- Hannover		2:1
Chemnitz	- Jena			0:0
Bochum		- 1860 M�nchen		2:0

     1. VfL Bochum		50:20	41:15 P
     2. FC St.Pauli		32:21	35:19 P
     3. Bayer 05 Uerdingen	35:22	35:21 P
     4.	TSV 1860 M�nchen	37:22	31:23
     5. FC Hansa Rostock	40:38	30:24 
     6.	SV Waldhof Mannheim	31:30	30:26 
     7.	FC Saarbr�cken		44:52	29:27
     8.	VfL Wolfsburg		31:30	28:26
     9. FSV Mainz 05		35:32	28:28
    10.	Fortuna K�ln		37:35	27:27
    11. Hannover 96		35:32	27:29
    12. SV Meppen		33:39	26:28
    13.	FC Homburg		38:34	26:30
    14. Chemnitzer FC		23:38	26:30  
    15.	Rot-Weiss Essen		32:33	25:29 R
    16. Wuppertaler SV		30:29	24:28 
    17. Stuttgarter Kickers	24:36	23:31 R
    18. FC Carl-Zeiss Jena	28:34	23:33 R
    19.	Hertha BSC Berlin	30:35	22:34 R
    20.	Tennis Borussia Berlin	23:46	14:42 R

Heiko
    

    
    Bundesliga 31st day, 1 match.		
    
    1.FC Kaiserslautern		- Bayern M�nchen	4:0
    
     1. FC Bayern M�nchen	    31	60:36  39:23
     2. 1.FC Kaiserslautern	    31	57:35  37:25 ! UEFA 
     3. TSV Bayer 04 Leverkusen	    30	54:41  35:25 ! UEFA 
     4. Borussia Dortmund	    30	43:42  34:26 ! UEFA 
     5. Eintracht Frankfurt	    30	48:35  33:27 ! UEFA 
     6. Karlsruher SC		    30	39:34  33:27
     7. Hamburger SV		    30	45:42  33:27
     8. MSV Duisburg		    30	37:47  33:27
    
    Heiko
    

    
    German Bundesliga 32nd day 

Leverkusen		- Dresden		1:1
Stuttgart		- Freiburg		0:4
Hamburg			- M�nchengladbach	1:3
Leipzig			- Schalke		2:2
Duisburg		- Karlsruhe		1:2
M�nchen			- N�rnberg		2:1
Dortmund		- Frankfurt		2:0
Wattenscheid		- Kaiserslautern	0:2
Bremen			- K�ln			3:1

     1. FC Bayern M�nchen	    62:37  41:23
     2. 1.FC Kaiserslautern	    59:35  39:25 ! UEFA 
     3. Karlsruher SC		    44:37  37:27 ! UEFA
     4. Borussia Dortmund	    45:42  37:27 ! UEFA 
     5. TSV Bayer 04 Leverkusen	    56:46  36:28 ! UEFA 
     6. Eintracht Frankfurt	    53:38  35:29 
     7. SV Werder Bremen	    47:41  34:30 
     8. VfB Stuttgart		    47:42  34:30
     9. 1.FC K�ln		    46:44  34:30
    10. MSV Duisburg		    38:49  34:30
    11. Borussia M�nchengladbach    59:54  33:31
    12. Hamburger SV		    46:48  33:31
    13. Dynamo Dresden		    32:41  32:32 ! (minus 4 points)
    14. FC Schalke 04		    37:45  29:35 ! 
    15. 1.FC N�rnberg		    37:47  26:38
    16. SC Freiburg		    51:57  24:40 ! relegation spot
    17. SG Wattenscheid 09	    42:65  21:43 ! relegation spot
    18. VfB Leipzig		    30:65  17:47 ! relegation spot

Heiko

    
    Zweite Bundesliga, 30th day

Hertha	    - Mainz	    5:0
Chemnitz    - Rostock	    3:0
Uerdingen   - Saarbr�cken   1:3
Mannheim    - TB Berlin	    2:2
K�ln	    - Hannover	    4:1
Homburg	    - RW Essen	    1:1
Wolfsburg   - Stuttgart	    1:0
Meppen	    - Jena	    1:1
Wuppertal   - Bochum	    3:1

     1. VfL Bochum		51:23	41:17 P
     2. FC St.Pauli		34:22	38:20 P
     3.	TSV 1860 M�nchen	44:34	35:23 P
     4. Bayer 05 Uerdingen	37:27	35:25 
     5.	VfL Wolfsburg		35:31	34:26
     6. FC Hansa Rostock	43:44	32:28 
     7. 1.FC Saarbr�cken	48:54	32:28
     8.	Fortuna K�ln		45:38	31:29
     9.	SV Waldhof Mannheim	35:36	31:29 
    10. SV Meppen		36:41	29:29
    11. Hannover 96		38:37	29:31
    12. FSV Mainz 05		35:40	28:32
    13. Chemnitzer FC		27:40	28:32  
    14.	FC Homburg		41:38	27:33
    15. Wuppertaler SV		34:23	26:30 
    16.	Rot-Weiss Essen		34:39	26:34 R
    17. Stuttgarter Kickers	28:39	25:33 R
    18.	Hertha BSC Berlin	35:35	24:34 R
    19. FC Carl-Zeiss Jena	29:35	24:34 R
    20.	Tennis Borussia Berlin	25:48	15:43 R

Heiko
    

    
    German Bundesliga 33rd day 

Leverkusen		- Stuttgart		1:1
M�nchengladbach		- K�ln			4:1
Frankfurt		- Hamburg		1:1
Kaiserslautern		- Dortmund		2:0
N�rnberg		- Wattenscheid		4:1
Karlsruhe		- M�nchen		1:1
Schalke			- Duisburg		1:3
Freiburg		- Leipzig		1:0
Dresden			- Bremen		1:0
M�nchen			- N�rnberg		replay tomorrow

     1. 1.FC Kaiserslautern	    61:35  41:25 
     2. FC Bayern M�nchen	    61:37  40:24 ! UEFA
     3. Karlsruher SC		    45:38  38:28 ! UEFA
     4. TSV Bayer 04 Leverkusen	    57:47  37:29 ! UEFA 
     5. Borussia Dortmund	    45:44  37:29 ! UEFA 
     6. Eintracht Frankfurt	    54:39  36:30 
     7. MSV Duisburg		    41:50  36:30
     8. Borussia M�nchengladbach    63:55  35:31
     9. VfB Stuttgart		    48:43  35:31
    10. SV Werder Bremen	    47:42  34:32 
    11. 1.FC K�ln		    47:48  34:32
    12. Hamburger SV		    47:49  34:32
    13. Dynamo Dresden		    33:41  34:32 ! (minus 4 points)
    14. FC Schalke 04		    38:48  29:37 
    15. 1.FC N�rnberg		    40:46  28:38
    16. SC Freiburg		    52:57  26:40 ! relegation spot
    17. SG Wattenscheid 09	    43:69  21:45 ! relegation spot
    18. VfB Leipzig		    30:66  17:49 ! relegation spot

Heiko

    
    Zweite Bundesliga, 31st day

Essen		- Chemnitz		0:1
Bochum		- St.Pauli		1:1
M�nchen 1860	- Uerdingen		0:0
Hannover 96	- Hertha		0:2
Rostock		- Meppen		1:1
Stuttgart	- Homburg		2:3
TB Berlin	- Wolfsburg		3:2
Saarbr�cken	- K�ln			4:1
Jena		- Wuppertal		2:1
Mainz		- Mannheim		2:1

     1. VfL Bochum		52:24	42:18 P
     2. FC St.Pauli		37:24	41:21 P
     3. Bayer 05 Uerdingen	37:27	36:26 P 
     4.	TSV 1860 M�nchen	45:36	36:26 
     5.	VfL Wolfsburg		37:34	34:28
     6. 1.FC Saarbr�cken	52:55	34:28
     7. FC Hansa Rostock	44:45	33:29 
     8.	Fortuna K�ln		46:42	31:31
     9.	SV Waldhof Mannheim	36:38	31:31 
    10. SV Meppen		37:42	30:30
    11. FSV Mainz 05		37:41	30:32
    12. Chemnitzer FC		28:40	30:32  
    13.	FC Homburg		44:40	29:33
    14. Hannover 96		38:39	29:33
    15. Wuppertaler SV		35:35	26:32 
    16.	Hertha BSC Berlin	37:35	26:34 R
    17. FC Carl-Zeiss Jena	30:35	26:34 R
    18.	Rot-Weiss Essen		34:40	26:34 R
    19. Stuttgarter Kickers	30:42	25:35 R
    20.	Tennis Borussia Berlin	28:50	17:43 R

Heiko
    

    
    The replay was played yesterday:
    
    Bayern M�nchen - 1.FC N�rnberg	5:0	(0:0)
    
    Scholl(2)
    Labbadia(2)
    Hamann
    
    Table:					Last remaining match:
    
     1. FC Bayern M�nchen	    66:37  42:24 !  Home vs Schalke
     2. 1.FC Kaiserslautern	    61:35  41:25 !U Away vs Hamburg
     3. Karlsruher SC		    45:38  38:28 !U Away vs Wattenscheid
     4. TSV Bayer 04 Leverkusen	    57:47  37:29 !U Away vs Leipzig
     5. Borussia Dortmund	    45:44  37:29 !U Home vs N�rnberg 
     6. Eintracht Frankfurt	    54:39  36:30 !  Away vs K�ln
     7. MSV Duisburg		    41:50  36:30 !  Home vs Freiburg
     8. Borussia M�nchengladbach    63:55  35:31 !  Away vs Bremen
     9. VfB Stuttgart		    48:43  35:31 !  Home vs Dresden
    10. SV Werder Bremen	    47:42  34:32 !  Home vs M'gladbach
    11. 1.FC K�ln		    47:48  34:32 !  Home vs Frankfurt
    12. Hamburger SV		    47:49  34:32 !  Home vs Kaiserslautern
    13. Dynamo Dresden		    33:41  34:32 !  Away vs Stuttgart
    14. FC Schalke 04		    38:48  29:37 !  Away vs M�nchen
    15. 1.FC N�rnberg		    40:51  28:38 !  Away vs Dortmund
    16. SC Freiburg		    52:57  26:40 !R Away vs Duisburg
    17. SG Wattenscheid 09	    43:69  21:45 !R Home vs Karlsruhe
    18. VfB Leipzig		    30:66  17:49 !R Home vs Leverkusen
    
    It's basically top-half vs bottom-half, as no teams of the top 9 are
    playing each other.
    
    Relegation battle
    -----------------
    N�rnberg or Freiburg ?
    N�rnberg need to draw in Dortmund to be save. But if Dortmund lose a
    point they are likely to lose their European spot as well.
    Freiburg need to win in Duisburg. But if Duisburg win, they have
    minimal chances to qualify for Europe.
    
    Championship battle
    -------------------
    Bayern is 1 point and 3 goals ahead of Kaiserslautern. 
    The only chances for Kaiserslautern to make it is to win in Hamburg
    with 4 goals (quite unlikely) and hope for Schalke to at least draw in
    M�nchen.
    
    UEFA Battle
    -----------
    Kaiserslautern/Bayern is in.
    Karlsruhe is in unless Duisburg closes the gap of 16 in the
      goaldifference. 
    Leverkusen is most probably in if they draw in Leipzig. A defeat might
      cost the European spot.
    Dortmund needs to win to be save (against N�rnberg), as Frankfurt is
      just one point behind (playing K�ln)
    Duisburg needs to beat Freiburg and then rely on K�ln to hold Frankfurt
      to a draw and Leipzig or N�rnberg to beat Leverkusen/Dortmund.
    M�nchengladbach and Stuttgart have a mathematical chance to qualify, 
      requiring Duisburg to draw and Frankfurt and Dortmund (and
      M'gladbach) to lose.   
    
    My guess:
    	Bayern Champs
    	Kaiserlautern, Karlsruhe, Leverkusen, Dortmund - UEFA
    	Leipzig, Wattenscheid, Freiburg - relegated
    My hope:
    	Freiburg will stay.
Heiko
    

    
    German Bundesliga 34th and last day 

Bremen		- M�nchengladbach		4:2
Leipzig		- Leverkusen			2:3
Duisburg	- Freiburg			0:2
M�nchen		- Schalke			2:0
Wattenscheid	- Karlsruhe			5:1
Dortmund	- N�rnberg			4:1
Hamburg		- Kaiserslautern		1:3
K�ln		- Frankfurt			2:3
Stuttgart	- Dresden			3:0


     1. FC Bayern M�nchen	    68:37  44:24 
     2. 1.FC Kaiserslautern	    64:36  43:25 ! UEFA
     3. TSV Bayer 04 Leverkusen	    60:49  39:29 ! UEFA 
     4. Borussia Dortmund	    49:45  39:29 ! UEFA 
     5. Eintracht Frankfurt	    57:41  38:30 ! UEFA 
     6. Karlsruher SC		    46:43  38:30 
     7. VfB Stuttgart		    51:43  37:31
     8. SV Werder Bremen	    51:44  36:32 
     9. MSV Duisburg		    41:52  36:32
    10. Borussia M�nchengladbach    65:59  35:33
    11. 1.FC K�ln		    49:51  34:34
    12. Hamburger SV		    48:52  34:34
    13. Dynamo Dresden		    33:44  30:34 
    14. FC Schalke 04		    38:50  29:39 
    15. SC Freiburg		    54:57  28:40
    16. 1.FC N�rnberg		    41:55  28:40 ! Relegated
    17. SG Wattenscheid 09	    48:70  23:45 ! Relegated
    18. VfB Leipzig		    32:69  17:51 ! Relegated

Heiko

    
    Yahoo....Freiburg stay up!!

    
    Zweite Bundesliga, 32nd day

Rostock		- Jena		0:0
St.Pauli	- Wuppertal	1:2
K�ln		- M�nchen 60	0:0
Homburg		- TB Berlin	0:2
Hertha		- Saarbr�cken	3:1
Wolfsburg	- Mainz		2:0
Chemnitz	- Stuttgart	1:0
Meppen		- Essen		2:1
Uerdingen	- Bochum	today


     1. VfL Bochum		52:24	42:18 P
     2. FC St.Pauli		38:26	41:23 P
     3.	TSV 1860 M�nchen	45:36	37:27 P
     4. Bayer 05 Uerdingen	37:27	36:26  
     5.	VfL Wolfsburg		39:34	36:28
     6. FC Hansa Rostock	44:45	34:30 
     7. 1.FC Saarbr�cken	53:58	34:30
     8. SV Meppen		39:43	32:30
     9.	Fortuna K�ln		46:42	32:32
    10. Chemnitzer FC		29:40	32:32  
    11.	SV Waldhof Mannheim	36:38	31:31 
    12.	Hertha BSC Berlin	42:37	30:34 
    13. FSV Mainz 05		37:43	30:34
    14. Hannover 96		38:39	29:33
    15.	FC Homburg		44:42	29:35
    16. Wuppertaler SV		37:36	28:32 R 
    17. FC Carl-Zeiss Jena	31:36	27:35 R
    18. Stuttgarter Kickers	31:43	27:37 R
    19.	Rot-Weiss Essen		35:42	26:38 R
    20.	Tennis Borussia Berlin	31:52	19:45 R

Heiko
    

    
    It's funny to see that Frankfurt are playing Europe, and only 10 points
    below N�rnberg are relegated. It must be hard for a team, if they loose
    or win a few consecutive matches, they think of relegation or Europe.
    
        Ph./
            
    

re last....

   Yea its a pity to see N�rnberg go down, but Freiburg deserved to stay up
especially the way they played during the last 3 games where they picked up
6 points and scored 7 goals without reply.... They also scored an amazing 54
goals in 34 games... not bad for a team who survived going down to div 2 on goal
difference. Anyway I want to see them beat Bayern again......

                                                                    -dave-

    
    Zweite Bundesliga, some pp-matches and 33rd day

Bochum		- Uerdingen		1:3

Mannheim	- Hannover		1:1
Meppen		- Wuppertal		2:1

TB Berlin	- Chemnitz		0:0
Jena		- St.Pauli		1:0
Bochum		- K�ln			1:0
Stuttgart	- Meppen		1:0
Mainz		- Homburg		1:1
Hannover	- Wolfsburg		2:0
Saarbr�cken	- Mannheim		1:1
Wuppertal	- Uerdingen		1:3
M�nchen		- Hertha		1:0

     1. VfL Bochum		54:27	44:20 P
     2. FC St.Pauli		38:27	41:25 P
     3. Bayer 05 Uerdingen	43:29	40:26 P  
     4.	TSV 1860 M�nchen	46:36	39:27 P
     5.	VfL Wolfsburg		39:36	36:30
     6. 1.FC Saarbr�cken	54:59	35:31
     7. FC Hansa Rostock	44:45	34:30 
     8. SV Meppen		41:45	34:32
     9.	SV Waldhof Mannheim	38:40	33:33 
    10. Chemnitzer FC		29:40	33:33  
    11.	Fortuna K�ln		46:43	32:34
    12. Hannover 96		41:40	32:34
    13. FSV Mainz 05		38:44	31:35
    14.	FC Homburg		45:43	30:36
    15.	Hertha BSC Berlin	42:38	30:36 
    16. FC Carl-Zeiss Jena	32:36	29:35 R
    17. Stuttgarter Kickers	32:43	29:37 R
    18. Wuppertaler SV		38:42	28:38 R 
    19.	Rot-Weiss Essen		35:42	26:38 R
    20.	Tennis Borussia Berlin	31:52	20:46 R

Heiko

Next matches:
Thu Homburg-Hannover
Fri Meppen-TB Berlin, Mannheim - 1860, Uerdingen-St.Pauli
Sat Wolfsburg-Saarbr�cken, Essen - Jena, Chemnitz-Mainz,Hertha-Bochum, 
    Rostock-Stuttgart, K�ln-Wuppertal

    
    Does anybody know the groups for promotion to 2.Bundesliga by heart ?
    
    I remember Kickers Emden, Fortuna D�sseldorf being in one group,
    BSV Brandenburg and Dessau (or was it Zwickau) in the other.
    Also: Eintracht Braunschweig, Viktoria Aschaffenburg, FC Augsburg, FSV
    Frankfurt and Eintracht Trier.
    
    
    And (last question for now) when will the Regionalliga participants be
    made public ?
    
    Heiko

>    Does anybody know the groups for promotion to 2.Bundesliga by heart ?
>    
>    I remember Kickers Emden, Fortuna D�sseldorf being in one group,
>    BSV Brandenburg and Dessau (or was it Zwickau) in the other.
>    Also: Eintracht Braunschweig, Viktoria Aschaffenburg, FC Augsburg, FSV
>    Frankfurt and Eintracht Trier.


FSV Frankfurt will be the team from "Hessen" and is playing with Kickers Emden
and Eintracht Trier (?) and ... (?).

I don't think, that Viktoria Aschaffenburg is playing in the "Oberliga"
(Hessen or Bayern), so they cannot be promoted to the 2.Bundesliga.


J�Be

    
    Eh Hieko.....I notice that you have 4 (FOUR) promotion slots from
    the 2. Bundesliga ...Do you know something I don't ????
    
    Dezzz.

    
    Yep dezzz,
    
    one thing I know for example is the groups for promotion to
    2.Bundesliga:
    	
    (1)			(2)			(3)
    BSV Brandenburg	Kickers Emden		FC Augsburg
    FC Cottbus		Eintracht Trier		Eintracht Braunschweig
    FSV Zwickau		SSV Ulm 1846		Fortuna D�sseldorf
    			FSV Frankfurt		TuS Paderborn=-Neuhaus
    
    Of course there are just 3 promotion slots. 1860/Uerindgen shouldn't 
    swap positions that often.
    
    Heiko

    
    Zweite Bundesliga, 34th day

Homburg		- Hannover	2:0
Meppen		- TB Berlin	2:1
Mannheim	- M�nchen 60	1:1
Uerdingen	- St.Pauli	3:0
Wolfsburg	- Saarbr�cken	3:1
Essen		- Jena		0:5
Chemnitz	- Mainz		0:0
Hertha		- Bochum	1:1
Rostock		- Stuttgart	2:0
K�ln		- Wuppertal	3:0


     1. VfL Bochum		54:25	46:20 P
     2. FC St.Pauli		38:30	41:27 P
     3. Bayer 05 Uerdingen	43:28	40:26 P  
     4.	TSV 1860 M�nchen	47:37	40:28 
     5.	VfL Wolfsburg		42:37	38:30
     6. FC Hansa Rostock	46:47	36:32 
     7. SV Meppen		43:46	36:32
     8. 1.FC Saarbr�cken	55:62	35:33
     9.	Fortuna K�ln		49:43	34:34
    10.	SV Waldhof Mannheim	39:41	34:34 
    11. Chemnitzer FC		29:40	34:34  
    12.	FC Homburg		47:43	32:36
    13. FC Carl-Zeiss Jena	37:36	32:36 
    14. Hannover 96		41:43	32:36
    15. FSV Mainz 05		38:44	32:36
    16.	Hertha BSC Berlin	43:39	31:37 R
    17. Stuttgarter Kickers	32:45	29:39 R
    18. Wuppertaler SV		39:45	28:40 R 
    19.	Rot-Weiss Essen		37:47	28:40 R
    20.	Tennis Borussia Berlin	32:54	20:48 R

Heiko

Next matches:
Today: Jena - Uerdingen, Saarbr�cken - Homburg, St.Pauli - K�ln, 
       Hannover - Chemnitz, Bochum - Mannheim, M�nchen - Wolfsburg
Wedn:  Stuttgart - Essen, Mainz - Meppen, Wuppertal - Hertha, TBB - Rostock

    
    2.Bundesliga promotion leagues
    
    First matches
    
    (A)
    Brandenburg		- Zwickau	3:1
    (B)
    Emden		- Trier		0:3
    Ulm			- Frankfurt	3:0
    (C)
    D�sseldorf		- Paderborn	1:0
    Augsburg		- Braunschwg.	2:1
    
    Heiko

    
    Trnansfer rumours from the german press:
    
    - Andy Moeller and Julio Caesar from Juve will
      sign in Dortmund ??
    
    - Juergen Kohler also from Juve will sign in Munich
    
    
    cK

>    - Juergen Kohler also from Juve will sign in Munich
    
Good news - TSV will need to strengthen their squad to do well in the 
Bundesliga!!

But more to the point - what is Bayern's team going to look like next year? 
I've lost track of all of their signings. And where's the money coming from?

grahame

    >   I've lost track of all of their signings. 
        And where's the money coming from?
    
    Looks like a strong team for the next round. 
    
    New players are Papin (french striker from Milan), 
    Oliver Kahn (goalie from Karlsruhe),
    Juergen Kohler (defense from Juve but that's only rumour) 
    and eventual Andy Herzog (austrian midfield player from Bremen).
    
    And new coach is Giuseppe Trapatoni (Juve)
    
    I think there is only one reason for these transfers, 
    Munich wants to win the 'Champions League'.
    
    Don't know where the money comes from but they have a good
    management which can use funds from former times. Also they
    have a strong sponsor (Opel) which supports them with money.
    
    We can expect high tension for the next BL-season.
    Don't disregard Dortmund !!!!
    
    That's all I know
    
    cK
    
    

>            <<< Note 19.414 by UNTADH::KRUEGER "I lost (my mind)" >>>
>                               -< Bayern Munich >-

>    Don't disregard Dortmund !!!!

Ho ho, I think I remember that line from a year ago! But Bayern are certainly 
trying this year - it'll be interesting.

g

    
    Zweite Bundesliga, 36th day

Rostock		- Mainz		2:3
Essen		- TB Berlin	4:6
Jena		- Stuttgart	0:0
Hertha		- St.Pauli	2:1
Mannheim	- Wuppertal	2:0
Wolfsburg	- Bochum	0:1
Chemnitz	- Saarbr�cken	3:1
Meppen		- Hannover	4:1
K�ln		- Uerdingen	0:1
Homburg		- M�nchen	today

     1. VfL Bochum		55:26	48:22 Promoted
     2. Bayer 05 Uerdingen	46:28	44:26 P spot
     3. FC St.Pauli		42:34	43:29 P spot
     4.	TSV 1860 M�nchen	51:37	42:28 
     5.	SV Waldhof Mannheim	42:41	38:34 
     6.	VfL Wolfsburg		42:42	38:34
     7. SV Meppen		47:50	38:34
     8. FC Hansa Rostock	48:50	37:35 
     9. Chemnitzer FC		32:41	37:35  
    10. FSV Mainz 05		44:46	36:36
    11. 1.FC Saarbr�cken	56:65	36:36 
    12.	Hertha BSC Berlin	47:41	35:37 
    13.	Fortuna K�ln		51:47	34:38
    14.	FC Homburg		47:43	33:37
    15. FC Carl-Zeiss Jena	37:38	33:39 
    16. Hannover 96		42:46	33:39 R spot
    17. Stuttgarter Kickers	36:47	32:40 R spot
    18. Wuppertaler SV		40:49	28:44 Relegated
    19.	Rot-Weiss Essen		43:57	28:44 Relegated
    20.	Tennis Borussia Berlin	38:58	23:49 Relegated

Heiko

 I never heard anything about Herzog, I can't see why Bayern would be interested
in him after the season he has had. I thought they had signed Alain Sutter the
Swiss player from N�rnberg????. If they get K�hler they will certainly have
an excellent defence....

                                    Kahn
                                 Mattheaus
Jorgino                          K�hler                              Helmer

   I worry about their midfield though.... 

                                                               -dave-

>    Zweite Bundesliga, 36th day

>	Essen		- TB Berlin	4:6

So that's why they're called Tennis Borussia?!!

g

    Zweite Bundesliga, 36th day, last match

Homburg		- M�nchen	0:0

     1. VfL Bochum		55:26	48:22 Promoted
     2. Bayer 05 Uerdingen	46:28	44:26 P spot
     3.	TSV 1860 M�nchen	51:37	43:29 P spot		! swapped
     3. FC St.Pauli		42:34	43:29			! positions
     5.	SV Waldhof Mannheim	42:41	38:34 
     .
    13.	Fortuna K�ln		51:47	34:38
    14.	FC Homburg		47:43	34:38			! stayed
    15. FC Carl-Zeiss Jena	37:38	33:39 
    16. Hannover 96		42:46	33:39 R spot
    17. Stuttgarter Kickers	36:47	32:40 R spot
    18. Wuppertaler SV		40:49	28:44 Relegated
    19.	Rot-Weiss Essen		43:57	28:44 Relegated
    20.	Tennis Borussia Berlin	38:58	23:49 Relegated

Heiko




    

    
    Schupp   Sutter   Scholl(Sternkopf)   Ziege
    
    
    christian

    Zweite Bundesliga, 30something replayed match

Uerdingen	- Bochum		3:0

     1. VfL Bochum		55:29	48:24 Promoted
     2. Bayer 05 Uerdingen	49:28	46:26 P spot
     3.	TSV 1860 M�nchen	51:37	43:29 P spot	
     4. FC St.Pauli		42:34	43:29		
    
    Heiko
    
    

    
    Zweite Bundesliga, 37th day

Uerdingen	- Hertha		0:0
TB Berlin	- Stuttgart		2:2
Mainz		- Essen			1:1
Hannover	- Rostock		5:0
Saarbr�cken	- Meppen		1:1
M�nchen 1860	- Chemnitz		3:1
Bochum		- Homburg		1:4
Wuppertal	- Wolfsburg		2:1
St.Pauli	- Mannheim		4:1
K�ln		- Jena			1:1

 1. VfL Bochum		56:33	48:26 Promoted	Chemnitz away
 2. Bayer 05 Uerdingen	49:28	47:27 P spot	Mannheim away
 3. TSV 1860 M�nchen	54:38	45:29 P spot	Meppen away
 4. FC St.Pauli		46:35	45:29		Wolfsburg away 
 5. SV Meppen		48:51	39:35		1860 home
 6. VfL Wolfsburg	43:44	38:36		St.Pauli home
 7. SV Waldhof Mannheim	43:45	38:36		Uerdingen home 
 8. FSV Mainz 05	45:47	37:37		Stuttgart away
 9. FC Hansa Rostock	48:55	37:37		Saarbr�cken home 
10. 1.FC Saarbr�cken	57:66	37:37		Rostock away 
11. Chemnitzer FC	33:44	37:37		Bochum home
12. FC Homburg		51:44	36:38		Wuppertal home
13. Hertha BSC Berlin	47:41	36:38		K�ln home 
14. Fortuna K�ln	52:48	35:39		Hertha away
15. Hannover 96		47:46	35:39		Essen away
16. FC Carl-Zeiss Jena	38:39	34:40 R spot	TB Berlin home
17. Stuttgarter Kickers	38:49	33:41 R spot	Mainz home
18. Wuppertaler SV	42:50	30:44 Relegated Homburg away
19. Rot-Weiss Essen	44:58	29:45 Relegated	Hannover home
20. TB Berlin		40:60	24:50 Relegated Jena away


Interesting matches for the last day. St.Pauli have to gain 1 pt or 6 goals
compared to M�nchen. But their opponent Wolfsburg is the strongest home
team in the league, having lost just once.

In the relegation battle Homburg is almost safe, Stuttgart are *very* improbable
to stay up. All other combinations are possible. By personal bets would
be K�ln/Jena (50:50) and Stuttgart going down. 


Heiko

    
    Zweite Bundesliga, last day

Jena		- TB Berlin		0:2
Hertha		- K�ln			1:1
Wolfsburg	- St.Pauli		4:1
Homburg		- Wuppertal		2:2
Chemnitz	- Bochum		1:0
Meppen		- M�nchen 1860		0:1
Rostock		- Saarbr�cken		3:1
Essen		- Hannover		0:2
Stuttgart	- Mainz			4:1
Mannheim	- Uerdingen		2:0

 1. VfL Bochum		56:34	48:28
 2. Bayer 05 Uerdingen	49:30	47:29
 3. TSV 1860 M�nchen	55:38	47:29 
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^up^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 4. FC St.Pauli		47:39	45:31
 5. VfL Wolfsburg	47:45	40:36
 6. SV Waldhof Mannheim	45:45	40:36
 7. SV Meppen		48:52	39:37
 8. FC Hansa Rostock	51:56	39:37
 9. Chemnitzer FC	34:44	39:37
10. FC Homburg		53:46	37:39
11. Hertha BSC Berlin	48:42	37:39
12. Hannover 96		49:46	37:39
13. FSV Mainz 05	46:51	37:39
14. 1.FC Saarbr�cken	58:69	37:39
15. Fortuna K�ln	53:49	36:40
vvvvvvvvvvvvv down vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
16. Stuttgarter Kickers	43:50	35:41
17. FC Carl-Zeiss Jena	38:41	34:42 
18. Wuppertaler SV	44:52	31:45
19. Rot-Weiss Essen	44:60	29:47
20. TB Berlin		42:60	26:50 

Promotion Leagues to 2.Bundesliga (3 group winners go up)

A) 1. FSV Zwickau		 9: 3	7: 1
   2. BSV Brandenburg		 8: 5	5: 3
   3. Energie Cottbus		 3:12	0: 8

B) 1. FSV Frankfurt		11: 5	8: 4
   2. SSV Ulm			 8: 7	6: 6
   3. Eintracht Trier		 6: 5	6: 6
   4. Kickers Emden		 7:15	4: 8

C) 1. Fortuna D�sseldorf	10: 3  11: 1
   2. Eintracht Braunschweig	 5: 6	5: 7
   3. TuS Paderborn-Neuhaus	 8: 9	4: 8
   4. FC Augsburg		 5:10	4: 8

German Amateur Championship Final

	Kickers Offenbach	- Preu�en M�nster	0:1


----------------

When and how will we get the teams for the Regionalliga (newly created 3rd 
highest league ?) Concordia Hamburg are in it, btw.

Heiko

    transfer news from Dortmund...
    
    The transfer of Moeller and Caesar is perfect.
    
    They come for 11.4 Mio DM.
    
    And we've still lots of money ...
    
    christian_BVB_support_munich

    
    German Cup First Round
    
    Bundesliga vs. 2.Liga
    ---------------------
    SV Meppen		- Dynamo Dresden	0:1
    
    Amateurs vs. Bundesliga
    -----------------------
    SV Oesede		- Karlsruher SC		1:6
    Hallescher FC	- Bayer Uerdingen	1:4
    SC Gro�rosseln	- Hamburger SV		1:5
    Altona 93		- Borussia Dortmund	0:2
    Bayern M�nchen A.	- SV Werder Bremen	2:1
    Greifswalder SC	- Bor. M�nchengladbach	1:4
    Stuttgarter Kick.	- SC Freiburg		3:1
    SV Linx		- Schalke 04		1:2
    Sachsen Leipzig	- 1860 M�nchen		3:4 pen
    RW Erfurt		- MSV Duisburg		0:2 aet
    BSV Brandenburg	- Bayer Leverkusen	0:11
    SG Egelsbach	- 1.FC Kaiserslautern	0:2
    G�ttingen 05	- Eintracht Frankfurt	0:6
    FC Remscheid	- 1.FC K�ln		0:7
    RW Essen		- VfL Bochum		0:2 aet
    FC Carl-Zeiss Jena	- VfB Stuttgart		0:2
    Vestenbergsgreuth	- Bayern M�nchen	1:0		<---
    
    Amateurs vs 2.Liga
    ------------------
    SSV Ulm		- 1.FC N�rnberg		1:0 aet
    FSV Salmrohr	- VfB Leipzig		2:1
    Kickers Offenbach	- Hertha BSC		3:1
    Union Berlin	- FC St.Pauli		2:3
    Holstein Kiel	- FC Saarbr�cken	0:2
    SV Edenkoben	- Waldhof Mannheim	1:2
    Alemannia Aachen	- FC Homburg		0:2
    Wuppertaler SV	- Fortuna K�ln		1:2
    Schalke 04 A.	- VfL Wolfsburg		0:2
    Preu�en M�nster	- Hannover 96		0:5
    Werder Bremen A.	- FSV Mainz 05		0:1
    TB Berlin		- Hansa Rostock		2:1
    Paderborn/Neuhaus	- Chemnitzer FC		6:7 pen
    Karlsruher SC A.	- Wattenscheid 09	1:3
    
    
    
    Next Round
    
    Bundesliga vs Bundesliga 
    ------------------------
    Schalke 04		- Hamburger SV
    Kaiserslautern	- Borussia Dortmund
    1860 M�nchen	- Bayer Leverkusen
    Dynamo Dresden	- Bayer Uerdingen
    
    Bundesliga vs. 2.Liga
    ---------------------
    MSV Duisburg	- FSV Mainz 05
    Karlsruher SC	- Waldhof Mannheim
    Fortuna K�ln	- VfL Bochum
    Wattenscheid 09	- 1.FC K�ln
    Eintracht Frankfurt	- VfL Wolfsburg
    
    2.Liga vs. 2.Liga
    -----------------
    Hannover 96		- Saarbr�cken
    
    Bundesliga vs. Amateurs
    -----------------------
    SSV Ulm		- VfB Stuttgart
    Kickers Offenbach	- Bor. M�nchengladbach
    
    2.Liga vs. Amateurs
    -----------------------
    TB Berlin		- FC St.Pauli
    Bayern M�nchen A.	- Chemnitzer FC
    Vestenbergsgreuth	- FC Homburg
    
    Amateurs vs. Amateurs
    ---------------------
    Stuttgarter Kick.	- FSV Salmrohr
    

    #415: Ho ho, I think I remember that line from a year ago!
    
    Yes and I say it again this year - Dortmund will finally
    make the championship !!!
    
    With Sammer/Cesar/Zorc/Chapuisat/M�ller and Riedle you can
    only win ...
    
    cK

    
    Wait till the mighty Motherwell get you in the UEFA Cup 

    
             BVB - Motherwell    2 - 1
    
      Motherwell - BVB           0 - 3
    
    cK

German Bundesliga - 5th day

Karlsruhe	- M�nchen 1860		3:1
Bochum		- Freiburg		1:3
Dresden		- Duisburg		4:2
M�nchen		- Hamburg		1:1
Bremen		- M�nchengladbach	1:0
Schalke		- K�ln			3:1
Uerdingen	- Kaiserslautern	1:3
Leverkusen	- Dortmund		2:2
Stuttgart	- Frankfurt		4:1

 1. SV Werder Bremen		11: 4	 9: 1
 2. BVB Borussia Dortmund	15: 8	 7: 3
 3. Karlsruher SC		12: 7	 7: 3
    VfB Stuttgart		12: 7	 7: 3
 5. FC Bayern M�nchen		11: 7	 7: 3
 6. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		 9: 6	 7: 3
 7. SC Freiburg			12: 8	 6: 4
 8. FC Schalke 04		 7: 5	 6: 4
 9. Hamburger SV		 6: 4	 6: 4
10. TSV Bayer 04 Leverkusen	11: 7	 5: 5
11. Borussia M�nchengladbach	 5: 7	 4: 6
12. Eintracht Frankfurt		 6:10	 4: 6
13. 1.FC K�ln			 6:11	 4: 6
14. Dynamo Dresden		 6:10	 3: 7
15. Bayer 05 Uerdingen		 3: 7	 3: 7
16. VfL Bochum			 5:12	 2: 8
17. MSV Duisburg		 6:14	 2: 8
18. TSV 1860 M�nchen		 2:11	 1: 9

German 2.Bundesliga	5th day

St.Pauli	- Leipzig	2:2
N�rnberg	- Chemnitz	2:1
Zwickau		- Mannheim	1:1
Homburg		- Wolfsburg	1:1
Mainz		- Meppen	1:1
Hannover	- Saarbr�cken	0:0
Frankfurt	- Rostock	1:1
K�ln		- Wattenscheid	0:0

 1. Fortuna K�ln	    12: 0    8: 2
 2. VfL Wolfsburg	    10: 3    8: 2
 3. FC Hansa Rostock	     9: 3    8: 2
 4. 1.FC N�rnberg	     8: 4    8: 2
 5. SV Waldhof Mannheim	     9: 2    7: 3
 6. Fortuna D�sseldorf	     7: 3    6: 2
 7. FC Homburg		     7: 7    6: 4
 8. Wattenscheid 09	     7: 7    5: 5
 9. Hertha BSC Berlin	     6: 5    4: 4
10. FSV Mainz 05	     7:10    4: 6
11. 1.FC Saarbr�cken	     4: 7    4: 6
12. Hannover 96		     3: 7    4: 6
13. VfB Leipzig		     8:11    3: 7
14. Chemnitzer FC	     5: 9    3: 7
    FC St. Pauli	     5: 9    3: 7
16. SV Meppen		     6:11    3: 7
17. FSV Zwickau		     5:11    2: 8
18. FSV Frankfurt	     5:14    2: 8

German Bundesliga - 6th day

M�nchen 1860	- Bayern M�nchen	1:3
Frankfurt	- Uerdingen		0:3
Duisburg	- Bremen		0:2
Kaiserslautern	- Schalke		3:1
Hamburg		- Dresden		2:1
M�nchengladbach	- Bochum		7:1
Dortmund	- Stuttgart		5:0
K�ln		- Karlsruhe		3:4
Freiburg	- Leverkusen		1:1

 1. SV Werder Bremen		13: 4	11: 1
 2. BVB Borussia Dortmund	20: 8	 9: 3
 3. Karlsruher SC		17:10	 9: 3
 4. FC Bayern M�nchen		14: 8	 9: 3
 5. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		12: 7	 9: 3
 6. Hamburger SV		 8: 5	 8: 4
 7. SC Freiburg			13: 9	 7: 5
 8. VfB Stuttgart		12:12	 7: 5
 9. TSV Bayer 04 Leverkusen	12: 8	 6: 6
    Borussia M�nchengladbach	12: 8	 6: 6
11. FC Schalke 04		 8: 8	 6: 6
12. Bayer 05 Uerdingen		 6: 7	 5: 7
13. 1.FC K�ln			 9:15	 4: 8
14. Eintracht Frankfurt		 6:13	 4: 8
15. Dynamo Dresden		 7:12	 3: 9
16. MSV Duisburg		 6:17	 2:10
17. VfL Bochum			 6:19	 2:10
18. TSV 1860 M�nchen		 3:14	 1:11

Scorers:    Chapuisat	(Dortmund)	6
	    M�ller	(Dortmund)	5
	    Basler	(Bremen)	5
	    Cardoso	(Freiburg)	5
	    Bobic	(Stuttgart)	5

German 2.Bundesliga	6th day

Leipzig		    - Mainz	    0:2
Wolfsburg	    - K�ln	    3:0
D�sseldorf	    - St.Pauli	    0:1
Chemnitz	    - Hertha	    2:0
Meppen		    - Zwickau	    2:2
Mannheim	    - Frankfurt	    3:2
Rostock		    - Homburg	    2:3
Wattenscheid	    - Hannover	    2:1
Saarbr�cken	    - N�rnberg	    2:1

 1. VfL Wolfsburg	    13: 3   10: 2
 2. SV Waldhof Mannheim	    12: 4    9: 3
 3. Fortuna K�ln	    12: 3    8: 4
 4. FC Hansa Rostock	    11: 6    8: 4
 5. 1.FC N�rnberg	     9: 6    8: 4
 6. FC Homburg		    10: 9    8: 4
 7. Wattenscheid 09	     9: 8    7: 5
 8. Fortuna D�sseldorf	     7: 4    6: 4
 9. FSV Mainz 05	     9:10    6: 6
10. 1.FC Saarbr�cken	     6: 8    6: 6
11. Chemnitzer FC	     7: 9    5: 7
12. FC St. Pauli	     6: 9    5: 7
13. Hertha BSC Berlin	     6: 7    4: 6
14. SV Meppen		     8:13    4: 8
15. Hannover 96		     4: 9    4: 8
16. VfB Leipzig		     8:13    3: 9
17. FSV Zwickau		     7:13    3: 9
18. FSV Frankfurt	     7:17    2:10

Regionalliga (3rd Divsions)

North				Northeast
-----				---------
1. Hamburger SV (A)		1. FC Wismut (?) Aue
2. VfL Herzlake			2. Sachsen Leipzig
3. VfB Oldenburg		3. Union Berlin

South (not sure)		West (not sure either)
-----				---- 
1. SpVgg Unterhaching ?		1. SC Verl ?
2. Bayern M�nchen (A) ?		2. Arminia Bielefeld ?
3. Vestenbergsgreuth  ?         3. ?

Heiko

German Bundesliga - 8th day

Kaiserslautern	- M�nchen	1:1
M�nchengladbach	- Leverkusen	3:3
Frankfurt	- Karlsruhe	1:0
Duisburg	- Freiburg	1:2
Stuttgart	- Uerdingen	3:1
Dortmund	- Schalke	3:2
K�ln		- Dresden	1:2
1860 M�nchen	- Bremen	1:2
Hamburg		- Bochum	3:1

 1. BVB Borussia Dortmund	25:10	13: 3
 2. SV Werder Bremen		16: 9	13: 3
 3. Hamburger SV		15: 7	12: 4
 4. FC Bayern M�nchen		17:11	11: 5
 5. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		16:11	11: 5
 6. Karlsruher SC		19:14	10: 6
 7. SC Freiburg			13:11	10: 6
 8. TSV Bayer 04 Leverkusen	18:12	 9: 7
 9. VfB Stuttgart		16:16	 9: 7
10. Borussia M�nchengladbach	16:12	 8: 8
11. FC Schalke 04		10:11	 7: 9
12. Eintracht Frankfurt		 7:13	 7: 9
13. Dynamo Dresden		10:14	 6:10
14. Bayer 05 Uerdingen		 7:12	 5:11
15. 1.FC K�ln			12:19	 5:11
16. VfL Bochum			 8:22	 4:12
17. MSV Duisburg		 7:19	 2:14
18. TSV 1860 M�nchen		 5:17	 2:14

Scorers:    Cardoso	(Freiburg)	7
	    Chapuisat	(Dortmund)	7
	    M�ller	(Dortmund)	7
	    Bode	(Bremen)	6

German Bundesliga - 11th day 

no results available

 1. BVB Borussia Dortmund	27:10	18: 4
 2. SV Werder Bremen		21:12	17: 5
 3. Hamburger SV		21:12	14: 8
 4. Borussia M�nchengladbach	21:13	14: 8
 5. SC Freiburg			23:17	14: 8
 6. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		19:13	14: 8
 7. TSV Bayer 04 Leverkusen	23:15	13: 9
 8. FC Bayern M�nchen		22:17	13: 9
 9. VfB Stuttgart		23:19	13: 9
10. Karlsruher SC		21:19	13: 9
11. FC Schalke 04		14:15	10:12
12. Eintracht Frankfurt		12:18	10:12
13. Dynamo Dresden		11:17	 8:14
14. 1.FC K�ln			18:16	 8:14
15. Bayer 05 Uerdingen		10:16	 7:15
16. TSV 1860 M�nchen		11:21	 5:17
17. VfL Bochum			11:28	 5:17
18. MSV Duisburg		 7:27	 2:20

German 2.Bundesliga	11th day

no results available

 1. VfL Wolfsburg	    21: 9   16: 6
 2. FC Hansa Rostock	    16: 9   14: 8
 3. SV Waldhof Mannheim	    16:10   14: 8
 4. Fortuna D�sseldorf	    15: 9   14: 8
 5. FC St. Pauli	    16:13   14: 8
 6. FC Homburg		    18:15   13: 9
 7. Hertha BSC Berlin	    12: 9   13: 9
 8. Fortuna K�ln	    17: 9   12:10
 9. SV Meppen		    14:15   12:10
10. 1.FC N�rnberg	    17:18   11:11
11. 1.FC Saarbr�cken	    13:14   10:12
12. FSV Zwickau		    14:16   10:12
13. FSV Mainz 05	    16:19   10:12
14. Wattenscheid 09	    15:18   10:12
15. Chemnitzer FC	    13:17   10:12
16. Hannover 96		    15:19    8:14
17. VfB Leipzig		    14:22    5:17
18. FSV Frankfurt	    11:32    2:20

Heiko,

to complete Your entry:

Duisburg 	HSV		0:5
Bayern   	Stuttgart	2:2
Gladbach	1860 M�nchen	2:0
Dresden		Dortmund	0:1
KSC		Uerdingen	2:1
Freiburg	K�ln		4:2
Werder Bremen 	Frankfurt	2:0
Bochum		Kaiserslautern	0:2
Leverkusen	Schalke 04	2:2

2.Bundesliga

Vfb Leipzig : new coach the Austrian August STAREK, Toni Woodcock has to go.
VfB leipzig has been in the 1th Bundesliga last year.

Heribert

    There is a rumor, that Ewald Lienen, the coach of MSV Duisburg has 
    been replaced by Bongartz. Could somebody from Germany confirm this?
    
    Frank

    True! The change took place last tuesday.
    
    Margit
    

German newspaper: "The strike of the OESIS this weekend"

Oesi is a new word from Germany for Austrian people (Austria = german word
�sterreich = "OESI")

2 Austrian players are in the 1st German Bundesliga. At this weekend all 3
made a goal.

Andreas Herzog 2:0  (2:1 Bremen)

FC Koeln - 1860 Muenchen   2:1

1:0 Anton Polster
1:1 Peter Pacult

Heribert

    Trappatoni to leave Bayern Munich (or already has done) and become the 
    new Italian National manager.

Yesterday Trappatoni has been confirmed till next summer . Conference
of Bayern manager Rummenige.

Heribert

Dortmund - La Coruna    3:1  (0:0,1:0,1:1)
(first match 0:1)

Today I wish Salzburg a litte bit of luck, Dortmund had yesterday.
After 90 minutes Dortmund - La Coruna  1:0 (goal: Zorc)
Two bar shots of La Coruna in this 90 minutes.

1:1 Alfredo  
2:1 Riedle   (La Coruna in next round)
3:1 Ricken   (119.min)

Heribert

    
    
    Can anyone tell me what the latest news is on the guys that got put up
    for transfer by Eintracht Franfurt,and what actually happened in the
    training incident for this to happen ?
    	Gaudino has been signed up by Manchester City until the end of the
    season,but what about Yeboah and Okacha (sp?).I can't believe that
    Frankfurt would want to sell Yeboah !
    
    Andy.

    
    As I recall it:
    
    Jupp Heynckes, coach of Eintracht (ex Bilbao), is a man who sees
    discipline as a footballer's most important virtue. Gaudino,
    Okocha and Yeboah apparently disagreed and put intuition above all.
    For some reason or another, the three of them (or maybe the entire
    team) had to do an extra training. G,O and Y didn't actually decline to 
    take part but took a day off due to 'illness'. As a consequence to this
    behaviour, Heynckes removed them from the team, which eventually beat
    Hamburg 2-0 nonetheless. A week later or so, they were put on the 
    transfer list.
    Another week later Gaudino was taken to custody right after leaving
    the well-known Gottschalk Late-Night talkshow. He was released the
    day after, officials would not issue a dementi when asked if he had
    confessed. Something with stolen cars and (maybe) insurances.
    
    Heiko

    
    Huh...he didn't seem to be a great disciplinarian whilst at Bayern
    Munich...!!!
    
    Dezzz.

    
    
    	Any info. on Uwe Fochs of Kaiserslautern . 
    	He is currently on loan to the English 1st Division leaders
    	Middlesbrough .
    
    
    	ta ,
    
    	Bill

    Just a few lines in today's paper:
    
    Uwe Fuchs of Fortuna K�ln (2nd German league) will go to FC
    Middlesbrough on loan until the end of this season. Maybe one the
    Cologne colleagues knows more about him.
    
    Margit
    
    

    
    
    	Wasn't he just on loan to Fortuna Koln ?
    
    	Bill

Hello Bill,

You are right about Uwe Fuchs. Presently he belongs to 1. FC 
Kaiserslautern and is on loan with Fortuna Koeln. I looked 
into the records for you. Uwe Fuchs (age 29) has been around 
quite a bit. During his career he played for 11 clubs 
amongst them VfB Stuttgart, 1 FC Kaiserslautern (2x), 
Fortuna Koeln (2x), 1 FC Koeln, Fortuna Duesseldorf. In 65 
Bundesliga matches he has made 14 goals.

Regards
Margit

    
    
    As everybody knew for months becomes now truth.
    Trappatoni is leaving and Rehagel from Werder will come
    for the next saison.
    But what's their aim ? I saw them last saturday in a friendly
    against Mannheim and they played not as a team that will neither
    stop Dortmund or reach the next round in the Champions League !!!
    
    chris
    

German Bundesliga - 19th day 

Karlsruhe	- M�nchengladbach   2:4
Frankfurt	- Kaiserslautern    1:3
Stuttgart	- M�nchen 1860	    1:1
Schalke		- Duisburg	    0:0
Bayern M�nchen	- Freiburg	    2:2
Leverkusen	- Bremen	    1:2
Dortmund	- K�ln		    2:1
Uerdingen	- Hamburg	    4:1
Dresden		- Bochum	    0:2


 1. BVB Borussia Dortmund	47:16	32: 6
 2. SV Werder Bremen		34:20	28:10
 3. SC Freiburg			39:24	26:12
 4. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		29:21	26:12
 5. Borussia M�nchengladbach	41:24	25:13
 6. FC Bayern M�nchen		35:25	25:13
 7. Karlsruher SC		31:29	21:17
 8. TSV Bayer 04 Leverkusen	32:24	20:18
 9. VfB Stuttgart		34:36	19:19
10. Hamburger SV		27:27	18:20
11. FC Schalke 04		23:24	18:20
12. Eintracht Frankfurt		20:31	16:22
13. 1.FC K�ln			30:38	15:23
14. Bayer 05 Uerdingen		19:29	12:26
15. TSV 1860 M�nchen		19:36	11:27
16. Dynamo Dresden		17:34	10:28
17. MSV Duisburg		14:33	10:28
18. VfL Bochum			21:41	10:28

Top Scorers:
    14	    Cardoso (Freiburg)
    12	    Chapuisat (Dortmund)
    11	    Polster (K�ln)
	    M�ller (Dortmund)
	    Herrlich (M�nchengladbach)

German 2.Bundesliga	19th day

Saarbr�cken	- Chemnitz	1:1
Hannover	- Leipzig	1:1
Zwickau		- Homburg	2:0
Hertha		- Mannheim	0:0
Wattenscheid	- D�sseldorf	0:0
St.Pauli	- Rostock	2:0
N�rnberg	- Meppen	2:0
Fortuna K�ln	- FSV Frankfurt	6:2
Mainz		- Wolfsburg	May 2nd


 1. VfL Wolfsburg	    30:15   26:10
 2. FC St. Pauli	    32:19   26:12
 3. Fortuna D�sseldorf	    25:15   24:14
 4. SV Waldhof Mannheim	    26:18   24:14
 5. FC Hansa Rostock	    34:18   23:15
 6. Hertha BSC Berlin	    22:18   21:17
 7. SV Meppen		    26:24   21:17
 8. Wattenscheid 09	    30:29   20:18
 9. FSV Mainz 05	    31:30   19:17
10. Fortuna K�ln	    30:24   18:20
11. FSV Zwickau		    23:25   18:20
12. FC Homburg		    29:31   17:21
13. 1.FC Saarbr�cken	    22:25   17:21
14. 1.FC N�rnberg	    24:32   17:21
15. Chemnitzer FC	    20:30   17:21
16. Hannover 96		    26:31   15:23
17. VfB Leipzig		    22:32   12:26
18. FSV Frankfurt	    22:58    5:33

It's interesting, the Austrian players in Germany Anton Polster (Koeln,
3rd in scorerlist) and Andreas Herzog (Werder Bremen, next year Bayern Munich)
are in the Top Team of Franz Beckenbauer.

Austria Salzburg has defeated the German teams E.Francfurt and Karlruher SC
last year in the European cup. Austria Wien has defeated Bayer Leverkusen
last week 3:0 and 3:1 - but in Europe there is only one national-team
behind Austria !!

Heribert

German Bundesliga - 20th day 

K�ln	    - Stuttgart		1:0
Duisburg    - Karlsruhe		0:0
Bochum	    - Bremen		1:3
Freiburg    - Dresden		3:1
M�nchenglad.- M�nchen		2:2
Hamburg	    - Schalke		3:0
Kaiserslaut.- Dortmund		1:0
Frankfurt   - Leverkusen	2:0
1860 M�nchen- Uerdingen		pp


 1. BVB Borussia Dortmund	47:17	32: 8
 2. SV Werder Bremen		37:21	30:10
 3. SC Freiburg			42:25	28:12
 4. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		30:21	28:12
 5. Borussia M�nchengladbach	43:26	26:14
 6. FC Bayern M�nchen		37:27	26:14
 7. Karlsruher SC		31:29	22:18
 8. TSV Bayer 04 Leverkusen	32:26	20:20
 9. Hamburger SV		30:27	20:20
10. VfB Stuttgart		34:37	19:21
11. FC Schalke 04		23:27	18:22
12. Eintracht Frankfurt		22:31	18:22
13. 1.FC K�ln			31:38	17:23
14. Bayer 05 Uerdingen		19:29	12:26
15. TSV 1860 M�nchen		19:36	11:27
16. MSV Duisburg		14:33	11:29
17. Dynamo Dresden		18:37	10:30
18. VfL Bochum			22:44	10:30

Top Scorers:
    15	    Cardoso (Freiburg)
    12	    Chapuisat (Dortmund)
	    Herrlich (M�nchengladbach)

German 2.Bundesliga	20th day

Rostock		- Mainz		    1:0
Saarbr�cken	- K�ln		    1:2
Wolfsburg	- Zwickau	    0:1
Mannheim	- St.Pauli	    2:1
Leipzig		- N�rnberg	    0:0
Chemnitz	- Wattenscheid	    3:0
Homburg		- Frankfurt	    4:1
D�sseldorf	- Hannover	    today
Meppen		- Hertha	    pp

 1. VfL Wolfsburg	    30:16   26:12
 2. FC St. Pauli	    33:21   26:14
 3. SV Waldhof Mannheim	    28:19   26:14
 4. FC Hansa Rostock	    35:18   25:15
 5. Fortuna D�sseldorf	    25:15   24:14
 6. SV Meppen		    28:22   23:15
 7. Hertha BSC Berlin	    22:18   21:17
 8. Fortuna K�ln	    32:25   20:20
 9. FSV Zwickau		    24:25   20:20
10. Wattenscheid 09	    30:32   20:20
11. FSV Mainz 05	    31:31   19:19
12. FC Homburg		    33:32   19:21
13. Chemnitzer FC	    23:30   19:21
14. 1.FC Saarbr�cken	    23:27   17:23
15. 1.FC N�rnberg	    22:34   16:24
16. Hannover 96		    26:31   15:23
17. VfB Leipzig		    22:32   13:27
18. FSV Frankfurt	    23:62    5:35

    German 1.Bundesliga 21st day
    
    Bayern	- Duisburg		1:1
    Bremen	- Freiburg		5:1
    Stuttgart	- Kaiserslautern	2:2
    Karlsruhe	- Hamburg		2:0
    Dresden	- M�nchengladbach	0:3
    Leverkusen	- Bochum		1:3
    Dortmund	- Frankfurt		1:1
    Uerdingen	- K�ln			0:0
    Schalke	- 1860 Muenchen		6:2
    
    1. Dortmund			48:18	33:9
    2. Bremen			42:22	32:10
    3. Kaiserslautern		32:23	29:13
    4. M�nchengladbach		46:26	28:14
    5. Freiburg			43:30	28:14
    6. Bayern			38:28	27:15
    7. Karlsruhe		33:29	24:18
    8. Leverkusen		33:29	20:22
    9. Hamburg			30:29	20:22
    10.Schalke			29:29	20:22
    11.Stuttgart		36:39	20:22
    12.Frankfurt		23:32	19:23
    13.K�ln			31:38	18:24
    14.Uerdingen		19:29	13:27
    15.Duisburg			15:34	12:30
    16.Bochum			25:45	12:30
    17.1860 Muenchen		21:42	11:29
    18.Dresden			18:40	10:32

German Bundesliga - 22nd day 

Duisburg	    - Dresden		1:1
Hamburg		    - Bayern M�nchen	1:1
1860 M�nchen	    - Karlsruhe		1:0
K�ln		    - Schalke		5:1
Frankfurt	    - Stuttgart		2:2
Freiburg	    - Bochum		1:2
Dortmund	    - Leverkusen	0:3
Kaiserslautern	    - Uerdingen		1:1
M�nchengladbach	    - Bremen		2:0


 1. BVB Borussia Dortmund	48:21	33:11
 2. SV Werder Bremen		42:24	32:12
 3. Borussia M�nchengladbach	48:26	30:14
 4. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		33:24	30:14
 5. SC Freiburg			44:32	28:16
 6. FC Bayern M�nchen		39:29	28:16
 7. Karlsruher SC		33:30	24:20
 8. TSV Bayer 04 Leverkusen	36:29	22:22
 9. Hamburger SV		31:30	21:23
10. VfB Stuttgart		38:41	21:23
11. 1.FC K�ln			36:39	20:24
12. FC Schalke 04		30:34	20:24
13. Eintracht Frankfurt		25:34	20:24
14. Bayer 05 Uerdingen		20:30	14:28
15. VfL Bochum			27:46	14:30
16. TSV 1860 M�nchen		22:42	13:29
17. MSV Duisburg		16:35	13:31
18. Dynamo Dresden		19:41	11:33

Top Scorers:
    15	    Cardoso (Freiburg)
    13	    Herrlich (M�nchengladbach)
	    Basler (Bremen)
    12	    Polster (K�ln)
	    Chapuisat (Dortmund)

German 2.Bundesliga	22nd day

Saarbr�cken	    - Hannover	    3:0
Meppen		    - Mainz	    3:0
Wolfsburg	    - Homburg	    2:1
Wattenscheid	    - K�ln	    0:1
Mannheim	    - Zwickau	    2:1
Chemnitz	    - N�rnberg	    0:1
Rostock		    - Frankfurt	    4:2
D�sseldorf	    - Hertha	    1:1
Leipzig		    - St.Pauli	    2:0


 1. VfL Wolfsburg	    34:18   30:12
 2. SV Waldhof Mannheim	    31:21   29:15
 2. FC Hansa Rostock	    40:21   28:16
 4. FC St. Pauli	    35:24   28:16
 5. Fortuna D�sseldorf	    28:21   26:18
 6. SV Meppen		    32:24   25:17
 7. Fortuna K�ln	    36:25   24:20
 8. Hertha BSC Berlin	    23:22   22:20
 9. Wattenscheid 09	    34:34   22:22
10. FSV Zwickau		    26:28   21:23
11. Chemnitzer FC	    27:32   21:23
12. FSV Mainz 05	    32:35   20:22
13. 1.FC N�rnberg	    27:35   20:24
14. FC Homburg		    34:37   19:25
15. 1.FC Saarbr�cken	    27:31   19:25
16. VfB Leipzig	    	    27:32   17:27
17. Hannover 96		    28:39   16:28
18. FSV Frankfurt	    26:68    5:39

Interesting game:

1860 Muenchen - Karlsruher SC   1:0

3 Red cards for Karlsuhe !!! (all fouls)

    
    
    	Balakov , international bulgarian player , now playing at Sporting
    (Portugal) is said to be a Stuttgart player for the next 3 years.
    	Can anyone confirm this ?
    
    	Luis.

    re. -1
    
    It's not sure, but he can be one player, who come to Stuttgart to
    replace Dunga (he will play next season in Japan).
    
    markusFCB_if_it's_perfect_I_will_write_it_in_this_topic

    
    
    Balakov will be a Stuttgart player for the next 2 years.The deal was
    done yesterday.
    
    Luis.

    Is that Oojanicka Balakov, the famous well-endowed Ballet dancer ?
    
    
    Ian.

    
    Result from Tuesday ...
    
    1860 Muenchen 1-1 Bayer Uerdigen....
    
    Looks like the long hard struggle has begun for the Loewen...
    
    	Dezzz.

Because of that the FCB supporters are very quiet this week, some informations
from German league (24th) with Austrian touch.

The games with Austrians:

FC Koeln - Bayern Munich   3:1
Toni Polster (2 goals, 1 prepared)
Hamburg - Bremen 	   0:0
1860 Muenchen - Dreseden   3:1  ( I hope the Lions will be next year in the
                                  Bundesliga again)


other games:

Dortmund - Uerdingen       3:1
Gladbach - Freiburg	   1:2
Frankfurt - Schalke 04     0:3
(The end of coach Jupp Heynckes)	 
Stuttgart - Leverkusen	   4:2
Duisburg - Bochum	   3:1
Kaiserslautern-Karlsruhe   0:0


1. Dortmund		24/ 36 pts
2. Bremen       	24/ 35 pts
3. Kaiserslautern	24/ 33
.
6. Bayern Muenchen		24/ 30
.
10.Koeln		24/ 23
.
15.1860 Muenchen	24/ 16	

Heribert	

German Bundesliga - 25th day 

Bremen		- 1860 M�nchen	    2:0
Bayern M�nchen	- Kaiserslautern    1:1
Freiburg	- Duisburg	    3:0
Leverkusen	- M�nchengladbach   3:1
Schalke		- Dortmund	    0:0
Karlsruhe	- Frankfurt	    1:1
Dresden		- K�ln		    1:3
Bochum		- Hamburg	    0:0
Uerdingen	- Stuttgart	    4:1

 1. BVB Borussia Dortmund	51:22	37:13
 2. SV Werder Bremen		49:25	37:13
 3. SC Freiburg			53:35	34:16
 4. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		35:25	34:16
 5. Borussia M�nchengladbach	52:31	32:18
 6. FC Bayern M�nchen		42:33	31:19
 7. Karlsruher SC		34:31	27:23
 8. 1.FC K�ln			42:41	25:25
 9. TSV Bayer 04 Leverkusen	43:38	24:26
10. Hamburger SV		32:31	24:26
11. VfB Stuttgart		43:47	24:26
12. FC Schalke 04		33:35	23:27
13. Eintracht Frankfurt		27:39	22:28
14. Bayer 05 Uerdingen		27:36	18:32
15. TSV 1860 M�nchen		26:47	16:34
16. VfL Bochum			28:51	15:35
17. MSV Duisburg		20:44	15:35
18. Dynamo Dresden		22:48	12:38

Top Scorers:
    15	    Cardoso (Freiburg)
    	    Herrlich (M�nchengladbach)
	    Basler (Bremen)
    	    Polster (K�ln)
    12	    Chapuisat (Dortmund)

German 2.Bundesliga	25th day

Zwickau		- D�sseldorf	    1:1
Mainz		- Chemnitz	    2:5
St.Pauli	- Saarbr�cken	    0:0
Frankfurt	- Leipzig	    1:1
Homburg		- Meppen	    0:0
Wolfsburg	- Mannheim	    0:0
Hertha		- Wattenscheid	    3:1
K�ln		- Rostock	    1:0
N�rnberg	- Hannover	    0:0
Hannover	- Hertha	    today

 1. SV Waldhof Mannheim	    38:22   34:16
 2. VfL Wolfsburg	    35:27   31:17
 3. FC Hansa Rostock	    46:22   31:19
 4. FC St. Pauli	    39:28   31:19
 5. SV Meppen		    35:26   29:19
 6. Fortuna D�sseldorf	    31:24   29:21
 7. Fortuna K�ln	    41:30   28:22
 8. Chemnitzer FC	    35:36   26:24
 9. Hertha BSC Berlin	    26:25   25:23
10. Wattenscheid 09	    36:37   25:25
11. 1.FC Saarbr�cken	    31:31   24:26
12. FSV Zwickau		    27:30   23:27
13. 1.FC N�rnberg	    27:37   22:28
14. VfB Leipzig	    	    31:33   21:29
15. FC Homburg		    35:41   21:29
16. FSV Mainz 05	    34:44   20:28
17. Hannover 96		    32:41   19:31
18. FSV Frankfurt	    29:74    7:43

Another good weekend for the Austrian playsers in Germany.

Toni Polster shot the 3:1 for FC Koeln. Now Polster is 1st in the scorer
table equal with 3 others.

Andreas Herzog shot the 2:0 for Bremen. Bremen is 2nd with same points
as Dortmund.

This could be a dream-finish of the two Austrians : One Champion, the other
top scorer.

Heribert

    
    Hi Heribert,
    
    sometimes it is strange how football works. Austria has always had 
    a fair amount of quality players, say ranking within the European top
    50 (I'd say Herzog is within the top 15), but in the last 4-8 years
    have failed to produce a good national team. With Salzburg's
    international success in the last seasons it is even more astonishing.
    
    (The Turks have a similar problem: Their teams make it to the
    quarterfinals of the various Cups on a regular basis, but their
    national team is C-Class at best)
    
    Heiko
    
    PS: Yes, it looks good for Herzog and Bremen. I don't see Polster
    becoming top scorer yet. K�ln is on a roll, yes, but it will end sooner
    or later. 

Heiko,

Our team is class D, I think. The reasons are, that the players don't 
show good performance (Herzog has played in the last years 1-2 good games
in the Austrian team, and more bad one) - why ?

After the death of the great coach Ernst Happel, Austrian people and players
had the wish , Didi Constantini should be the new coach. Constantini
has learned as co-coach of Happel. The alternative has been Otto Baric
(A.Salzburg).

But the Austrian industry (football president Mauhart is president of the 
Austrian tobacco) has decided for Herbert Prohaska (coach of Austria Memphis
/Memphis= an Austrian sort of tobacco).

Austrian spectators did not visit the games, the players did not like to play
in this team. For the players of Salzburg the EC has been more important than
any game of the team. I believe this situation should not be possible in Germany.

So the team playes in the last 3 years only bad games and not as an unit.

Their is a great difference between the players of Vienna and "the West"
(Salzburg and Innsbruck) nad following troubles in the team.

I think the individual players are better than our team, I hope for a new
team coach after the probably defeat in Ireland.

Heribert   

    
    Well good luck then. 
    
    Unless we meet again in the World Cup quarterfinals !!! :-)
    
    Heiko

Thanks,

" Unless we meet again in the World Cup quarterfinals !!! :-)"
Not each WC is Cordoba. ("lang,lang ist's her")

Heribert

Cup semi-final:

FC Koeln - Wolfsburg (2.Liga) 	0:1 (0:1)
goal: 20.min Reich

It has been the first time I have seen in TV a complete game of the FC Koeln.
I have been curious of the dream duo Labbadia with our Austrian Polster.
But I have seen nothing of Polster/Labbadia !

Congratulation to Wolfsburg, they have reached the final with good 
performance.

The second in final should be the winner Moenchengladbach - Kaiserslautern,
I think.

Heribert 

Eintracht Frankfurt  -  FC Bayern Munich   2:5 (2:1)

By God, I am no FCB supporter , but the football rules in Germany are silly !!!

Because of manpower problems (no healthy 11 players) Bayern had to play
with 3 young players from their amateur team. In the 72th minute Hamann,
the 4th player from the amateur team , was changed in (other reserve players
have been Sutter, aso).

After the game their has been a protest, only 3 amateurs are allowed to play
in the same team in Germany's Bundesliga. 

Probably result :  2:0 for Frankfurt

This would be not a correct result for football (my opinion).

Heribert

    
    Yes, on the surface it does seem a stupid rule....alongside teams not
    being allowed to field players under a certain age more than x times a
    season.
    
    	I don't know whether it is to protect the actual amatuer players
    themselves or the fact that here are Bayern Muenchen, one of the most
    professional football clubs in the world and they're dishing up 4
    amatuers....who get nothing for playing ??
    
    Anybody out there care to explain the background to 'why' these rules
    exist ??                                  
    
    Dezzz. 

    According to Abendzeitung: To prevent dumping prices in transfers
    (whatever this means).
    
    Margit
    

German Bundesliga - 27th day 

Bremen		- Kaiserslautern	2:2
Freiburg	- 1860 M�nchen		1:1
Leverkusen	- Duisburg		2:0
Schalke		- Uerdingen		2:0
M�nchen		- Dortmund		2:1
Dresden		- Frankfurt		1:2
M�nchengladbach	- Hamburg		2:1
Karlsruhe	- Stuttgart		3:1
Bochum		- K�ln			1:0


 1. BVB Borussia Dortmund	54:25	39:15
 2. SV Werder Bremen		52:28	39:15
 3. SC Freiburg			56:37	37:17
 4. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		40:28	37:17
 5. Borussia M�nchengladbach	56:32	36:18
 6. FC Bayern M�nchen		49:36	35:19
 7. Karlsruher SC		38:34	29:25
 8. TSV Bayer 04 Leverkusen	46:38	28:26
 9. 1.FC K�ln			43:43	26:28
10. FC Schalke 04		36:36	26:28
11. VfB Stuttgart		45:51	25:29
12. Hamburger SV		34:35	24:30
13. Eintracht Frankfurt		31:45	24:30
14. TSV 1860 M�nchen		31:48	19:35
15. Bayer 05 Uerdingen		27:39	18:36
16. VfL Bochum			29:55	17:37
17. MSV Duisburg		20:48	15:39
18. Dynamo Dresden		24:53	12:42

Top Scorers:
    17	    Herrlich (M�nchengladbach)
    15	    Cardoso (Freiburg)
	    Basler (Bremen)
    	    Polster (K�ln)
    12	    Chapuisat (Dortmund)
	    V�ller (Leverkusen)
	    Spies (Freiburg)

German 2.Bundesliga	27th day

Rostock		- Meppen	    2:2
Hertha		- N�rnberg	    1:1
K�ln		- Mannheim	    0:2
Frankfurt	- Chemnitz	    2:1
Wolfsburg	- Leipzig	    1:1
St.Pauli	- Hannover	    1:1
Homburg		- D�sseldorf	    0:2
Mainz		- Wattenscheid	    2:0
Zwickau		- Saarbr�cken	    0:0


 1. SV Waldhof Mannheim	    40:24   36:18
 2. FC Hansa Rostock	    50:24   34:20
 3. FC St. Pauli	    40:29   33:21
 4. SV Meppen		    40:29   32:20
 5. VfL Wolfsburg	    37:31   32:20
 6. Fortuna D�sseldorf	    35:26   32:22
 7. Fortuna K�ln	    42:33   29:25
 8. 1.FC Saarbr�cken	    32:31   27:27
 9. Chemnitzer FC	    37:39   27:27
10. Hertha BSC Berlin	    28:30   26:26
11. Wattenscheid 09	    36:39   26:28
12. FSV Zwickau		    28:32   25:29
13. VfB Leipzig	    	    33:34   24:30
14. 1.FC N�rnberg	    29:39   24:30
15. FSV Mainz 05	    36:45   22:30
16. Hannover 96		    37:43   22:32
17. FC Homburg		    35:44   21:33
18. FSV Frankfurt	    33:77   10:44

German Bundesliga - 28th day 

Frankfurt	- Bremen	0:0
Dortmund	- Dresden	2:0
Stuttgart	- M�nchen	0:2
Uerdingen	- Karlsruhe	0:0
1860 M�nchen	- M'gladbach	2:0
Kaiserslautern	- Bochum	3:1
Schalke		- Leverkusen	3:2
Hamburg		- Duisburg	3:0
K�ln		- Freiburg	2:0

 1. BVB Borussia Dortmund	56:25	41:15
 2. SV Werder Bremen		52:28	40:16
 3. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		43:29	39:17
 4. SC Freiburg			56:39	37:19
 5. FC Bayern M�nchen		51:36	37:19
 6. Borussia M�nchengladbach	56:34	36:20
 7. Karlsruher SC		38:34	30:26
 8. TSV Bayer 04 Leverkusen	48:41	28:28
 9. 1.FC K�ln			45:43	28:28
10. FC Schalke 04		39:38	28:28
11. Hamburger SV		37:35	26:30
12. VfB Stuttgart		45:53	25:31
13. Eintracht Frankfurt		31:45	25:31
14. TSV 1860 M�nchen		33:48	21:35
15. Bayer 05 Uerdingen		27:39	19:37
16. VfL Bochum			30:58	17:39
17. MSV Duisburg		20:51	15:41
18. Dynamo Dresden		24:55	12:44

Top Scorers:
    17	    Herrlich (M�nchengladbach)
    15	    Cardoso (Freiburg)
	    Basler (Bremen)
    	    Polster (K�ln)
    13	    V�ller (Leverkusen)
    12	    Chapuisat (Dortmund)
	    Labbadia (K�ln)
	    Spies (Freiburg)

German 2.Bundesliga	28th day

Wattenscheid	    - Zwickau		3:0
Leipzig		    - Rostock		0:1
Hannover	    - Mainz		2:0
D�sseldorf	    - Wolfsburg		1:1
Saarbr�cken	    - Frankfurt		2:1
Meppen		    - Mannheim		0:0
Chemnitz	    - Homburg		3:0
Hertha		    - K�ln		6:2
N�rnberg	    - St.Pauli		1:1

Mainz		    - Wolfsburg		(today)

 1. SV Waldhof Mannheim	    40:24   37:19
 2. FC Hansa Rostock	    51:24   36:20
 3. FC St. Pauli	    41:30   34:22
 4. SV Meppen		    40:29   33:21 (1 match in hand)
 5. VfL Wolfsburg	    38:32   33:21 (1 match in hand)
 6. Fortuna D�sseldorf	    36:27   33:23
 7. Fortuna K�ln	    44:39   29:27
 8. 1.FC Saarbr�cken	    34:32   29:27
 9. Chemnitzer FC	    40:39   29:27
10. Hertha BSC Berlin	    34:32   28:26 (1 match in hand)
11. Wattenscheid 09	    39:39   28:28
12. FSV Zwickau		    28:34   25:31
13. 1.FC N�rnberg	    30:40   25:31
14. VfB Leipzig	    	    33:35   24:32
15. Hannover 96		    39:43   24:32
16. FSV Mainz 05	    36:47   22:32 (1 match in hand)
17. FC Homburg		    35:47   21:35
18. FSV Frankfurt	    34:79   10:46

    
    Heads of the four Regionalligas, each winner gets promoted
    to 2.Bundesliga
    
    Nord
    ----
    1. VfB L�beck
    2. VfL Osnabr�ck 		(1 pt behind)
    
    
    East
    ----
    1. FC Carl-Zeiss Jena
    2. Sachsen Leipzig		(1 or 2 pt behind)
    
    
    West
    ----
    1. Arminia Bielefeld
    2. Rot-Weiss Essen		(1 pt behind)
    
    
    South
    -----
    1. SpVgg Unterhaching
    2. (someone)		(WAY behind)

    
    Heiko, 
    	Didn't get the Kicker this morning...did Bielefeld drop a
    point..???
    
    Dezzz.

    
    See ARD/ZDF videotext pages 260-263 :-)
    
    It's all from memory.
    (apart from Regionalliga Nord, that's on my Hamburger Morgenpost).
    I can also provide Oberliga Hamburg/Schleswig-Holstein and Verbandsliga
    Hamburg, but thats all)
    
    Heiko

    
    Not to worry Heiko...I must have a coffee break anyway.....
    
    'you looking forward to visiting the 60'er in the Bundesliga next
    season???
    
    Dezzz. 

    Well, actually I am a couch potato kind of supporter. 
    
    I do follow St.Pauli and football in general, but I also have 
    "another life" which consumes a lot of time. I'm out of the house
    for Handball on every Sunday, away from 3 to 5 hours. So I can
    understand that Alexandra is not too supportive of me spoiling the
    Saturday as well, when going to St.Pauli. Besides, the dog's classes
    are Saturdays 15:00-16:30 - and they're great fun, too.
    
    Now (watch this - it won't happen often) if, IF St.Pauli get promoted 
    and '60 stays up (looks pretty sure to me) you may want to come to 
    Hamburg for the match. Things could be arranged (granted my job doesn't
    collide with the schedule).
    
    Heiko
    	(and keep your fingers crossed for L�beck, will you ?) 

Hit of the 29th round

Werder Bremen - Borr. Dortmund	  3:1  (0:0)

In the first halftime Dortmund has been the better team, but had only 2 chances
for a goal. Bremen played with one forward.

The second half: the show of our Austrian Herzog and "Super Mario" Basler.
54. minute Herzog gets the ball from the middle line, sprint to the goal of 
Dortmund, 17 meters before, a dream shot -  1:0
59. min: Herzog's tackling from the cornerline , pass to the middle, 
volley goal of Basler 2:0
85.: A shot of Basler 30 meters away with the help of Dortmund's Sammer 3:0
89. 3:1 penalty Moeller

A hard game (2 red and six yellow cards), fair comments of both coaches after
the game (Hitzfeld and Rehagel are both much sympathical)

Now Werder Bremen is leader in Germany , one point in front of Dortmund.

Heribert

    
    > -< Green/White leader in Germany and Austria >-
    
    	Ah, if only it was the same in Scotland too ....
    

    
>A hard game (2 red and six yellow cards), fair comments of both coaches after
>the game (Hitzfeld and Rehagel are both much sympathical)
    
    	sympathical ??? do you mean likable 
    
    Dezzz.

sympathical ??? do you mean likable 
- I think this is the correct word .

Heribert

German Bundesliga - 29th day 

Bremen		- Dortmund	3:1
Leverkusen	- Hamburg	3:1
Karlsruhe	- Schalke	2:2
M�nchen		- Uerdingen	2:1
Dresden		- Stuttgart	1:1
Bochum		- Frankfurt	0:1
M�nchengladbach	- K�ln		0:0
Freiburg	- Kaiserslaut.	4:1
Duisburg	- 1860		1:1

 1. SV Werder Bremen		55:29	42:16
 2. BVB Borussia Dortmund	57:28	41:17
 3. SC Freiburg			60:40	39:19
 4. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		44:33	39:19
 5. Borussia M�nchengladbach	56:34	37:21
 6. FC Bayern M�nchen		48:37	37:21
 7. Karlsruher SC		40:36	31:27
 8. TSV Bayer 04 Leverkusen	51:42	30:28
 9. 1.FC K�ln			45:43	29:29
10. FC Schalke 04		41:40	29:29
11. Eintracht Frankfurt		32:40	29:29
12. Hamburger SV		38:38	26:32
13. VfB Stuttgart		46:54	26:32
14. TSV 1860 M�nchen		34:49	22:36
15. Bayer 05 Uerdingen		28:41	19:39
16. VfL Bochum			30:59	17:41
17. MSV Duisburg		21:52	16:42
18. Dynamo Dresden		25:56	13:45

Top Scorers:
    17	    Herrlich (M�nchengladbach)
	    Basler (Bremen)
    15	    Cardoso (Freiburg)
    	    Polster (K�ln)
    14	    V�ller (Leverkusen)

German 2.Bundesliga	29th day

Wolfsburg	- Chemnitz	    3:1
K�ln		- Meppen	    2:2
Zwickau		- Hannover	    1:1
Homburg		- Saarbr�cken	    0:1
Rostock		- D�sseldorf	    3:3
Mainz		- N�rnberg	    1:0
Frankfurt	- Wattenscheid	    1:5
St.Pauli	- Hertha	    (today 20:20 on DSF)
Mannheim	- Leipzig	    Wed.


 1. SV Waldhof Mannheim	    40:24   37:19 (1 match in hand)
 2. FC Hansa Rostock	    54:27   37:21
 3. SV Meppen		    45:31   36:22
-----------------------------------------
 4. VfL Wolfsburg	    41:35   35:23
 5. FC St. Pauli	    41:30   34:22 (1 match in hand)
 6. Fortuna D�sseldorf	    39:30   34:24
 7. 1.FC Saarbr�cken	    35:32   31:27
 8. Fortuna K�ln	    46:41   30:28
 9. Wattenscheid 09	    44:40   30:28
10. Chemnitzer FC	    41:42   29:29
11. Hertha BSC Berlin	    34:35   28:28 (1 match in hand)
12. FSV Zwickau		    29:35   26:32
13. FSV Mainz 05	    39:47   26:32 
14. Hannover 96		    40:44   25:33
-----------------------------------------
15. 1.FC N�rnberg	    30:41   25:33
16. VfB Leipzig	    	    33:35   24:32 (1 match in hand)
17. FC Homburg		    35:48   21:37
18. FSV Frankfurt	    35:84   10:48

    Heads of the four Regionalligas, each winner gets promoted
    to 2.Bundesliga
    
    Nord
    ----
    1. VfB L�beck
    2. VfL Osnabr�ck 		(1 pt behind)
    
    
    East
    ----
    1. FC Carl-Zeiss Jena
    2. Sachsen Leipzig		(2 pts behind)
    
    
    West
    ----
    1. Rot-Weiss Essen		
    2. Arminia Bielefeld	(1 pt behind -- swapped positions)
    
    
    South
    -----
    1. SpVgg Unterhaching	(lost this weekend to Stuttgart)
    2. Stuttgarter Kickers 	(6 points behind)
    
    
    Heiko
    (all from memory again)

German Bundesliga - 30th day (4 remaining)

Schalke		- M�nchen	0:3
1860		- Hamburg	1:1
K�ln		- Duisburg	0:3
Kaiserslautern	- M'gladbach	2:2
Frankfurt	- Freiburg	1:2
Dortmund	- Bochum	3:1
Stuttgart	- Bremen	1:4
Uerdingen	- Dresden	3:1
Karlsruhe	- Leverkusen	2:4

 1. SV Werder Bremen		59:30	44:16
 2. BVB Borussia Dortmund	60:29	43:17
 3. SC Freiburg			62:41	41:19
 4. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		46:35	40:20
 5. FC Bayern M�nchen		51:37	39:21
 6. Borussia M�nchengladbach	58:36	38:22
 7. TSV Bayer 04 Leverkusen	55:44	32:28
 8. Karlsruher SC		42:40	31:29
 9. 1.FC K�ln			45:46	29:31
10. FC Schalke 04		41:43	29:31
11. Eintracht Frankfurt		33:42	29:31
12. Hamburger SV		39:39	27:33
13. VfB Stuttgart		47:58	26:34
14. TSV 1860 M�nchen		35:50	23:37
15. Bayer 05 Uerdingen		31:42	21:39
16. MSV Duisburg		24:52	18:42
17. VfL Bochum			31:62	17:43
18. Dynamo Dresden		26:59	13:47

Top Scorers:
    18	    Herrlich (M�nchengladbach)
	    Basler (Bremen)
    16	    Cardoso (Freiburg)
    15	    Polster (K�ln)
    	    V�ller (Leverkusen)

    
German 2.Bundesliga	30th day

St.Pauli	- K�ln		2:0
N�rnberg	- Zwickau	1:1
Hannover	- Frankfurt	7:0
Hertha		- Mainz		1:1
Leipzig		- Meppen	0:0
Chemnitz	- Rostock	1:1
Wattenscheid	- Homburg	4:2
Saarbr�cken	- Wolfsburg	0:0
D�sseldorf	- Mannheim	(today)

 1. FC Hansa Rostock	    55:28   38:22
 2. SV Waldhof Mannheim	    41:27   37:21 (1 match in hand)
 3. SV Meppen		    45:31   37:23
-----------------------------------------
 4. FC St. Pauli	    44:31   37:23 
 5. VfL Wolfsburg	    41:35   36:24
 6. Fortuna D�sseldorf	    39:30   34:24 (1 match in hand)
 7. Wattenscheid 09	    48:42   32:28
 8. 1.FC Saarbr�cken	    35:32   32:28
 9. Fortuna K�ln	    46:43   30:30
10. Chemnitzer FC	    42:43   30:30
11. Hertha BSC Berlin	    36:37   30:30
12. Hannover 96		    47:44   27:33
13. VfB Leipzig	    	    36:36   27:33 
14. FSV Zwickau		    30:36   27:33
-----------------------------------------
15. FSV Mainz 05	    40:48   27:33 
16. 1.FC N�rnberg	    31:42   26:34
17. FC Homburg		    37:52   21:39
18. FSV Frankfurt	    35:91   10:50 

    Heads of the four Regionalligas, each winner gets promoted
    to 2.Bundesliga
    
    Nord
    ----
    1. VfB L�beck
    2. VfL Osnabr�ck 		(1 pt behind)
    
    
    East
    ----
    1. FC Carl-Zeiss Jena
    2. Sachsen Leipzig		(2 pts behind)
    
    
    West
    ----
    1. Arminia Bielefeld
    2. Rot-Weiss Essen		(1 pt behind -- swapped positions)	
    
    
    South
    -----
    1. SpVgg Unterhaching	(drew this weekend)
    2. Stuttgarter Kickers 	(5 points behind)
    
    
    Heiko
    (all from memory again)

    

    I believe Bremen won 6-0 at the weekend and Dortmund got a draw? Do
    these sides meet on the run in? 
    
    barry.

Bremen-Uerdingen 6:1

Freiburg-Dortmund 1:1

Bremen 2 points in front of Dortmund.

Heribert

Ah, sorry.  wrong conf.

    As I was ill yesterday I don't have any results handy.
    
    But news of the day is that
    	Dynamo Dresden,
    	FC Saarbr�cken,
    	Hertha BSC Berlin	and
    	1.FC N�rnberg
    have all been denied a license for the next season. The can go to
    the the football accociation's court to challenge this decision, but 
    history shows that their chances are minimal.
    
    The 4 teams will all drop out of professional football, leaving Homburg
    and FSV Frankfurt in the 2.Bundesliga, as all regular relegation spots
    will be covered by these teams. 
    
    
    Regionalliga Update: (3 days to go)
    
    North: Osnabr�ck 4 goals ahead of L�beck. 
    East:  Jena one point ahead of Leipzig.
    West:  Bielefeld 3 points ahead of Essen.
    South: Unterhaching 5 points ahead of Stuttgart.
    
    Heiko

    
    > Dynamo Dresden, FC Saarbr�cken, Hertha BSC Berlin and 1.FC N�rnberg
    > have all been denied a license for the next season
    
        Do you mean a licence to play professional football ? What have these
    teams done ?
    
    Malc.
    

    
    There's two ways to lose your license.
    
    (a) Have loads of debts.
    (b) Misbehave, i.e. cheat with your balance sheet or ignore the
        football association's orders to obtain a better balance sheet.
    
    
    St.Pauli, for example, had loads of debts (DM 15+ million last year)
    and have been ordered not to invest more money in new players than they
    get for the sale iof their 'old' ones. They behaved, sold players for 
    ~2 million (DM) and purchased very few new ones, yet they still were
    too much in debt. Luckily, the club's president Weisener, who had
    already given St.Pauli a loan over DM 10 million to cover previous
    debts, renounced (?) from having the loan paid back.
    
    Dresden, on the other hand, were also ordered to spend less money on 
    news players, but did not do so. 
    
    Saarbr�cken, as far as I recall, submitted wrong data in last years
    evaluation.
    
    N�rnberg is bancrupt.

    
    There was some paper talk (Sunday Mail) at the weekend about
    Bodo Illgner moving to Rangers. Has there been any similar 
    stories in Germany ???
    

German Bundesliga - 32nd day (2 remaining)

Dortmund	- M�nchengladbach	1:1
Karlsruhe	- Dresden		5:3
Leverkusen	- M�nchen		2:0
Franfurt	- Duisburg		4:1
Stuttgart	- Freiburg		1:0
Uerdingen	- Bochum		2:1
Schalke		- Bremen		4:2
1860 M�nchen	- K�ln			2:1
Kaiserslautern	- Hamburg		4:1
    
 1. SV Werder Bremen		67:35	46:18
 2. BVB Borussia Dortmund	62:31	45:19
 3. SC Freiburg			63:43	42:22
 4. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		52:39	42:22
 5. Borussia M�nchengladbach	61:37	41:23
 6. FC Bayern M�nchen		51:40	39:25
 7. Karlsruher SC		48:43	35:29
 8. TSV Bayer 04 Leverkusen	57:46	34:30
 9. 1.FC K�ln			50:48	31:33
10. FC Schalke 04		46:47	31:33
11. Eintracht Frankfurt		37:45	31:33
12. VfB Stuttgart		48:62	28:36
13. Hamburger SV		40:47	27:37
14. TSV 1860 M�nchen		39:51	27:37
15. Bayer 05 Uerdingen		34:49	23:41
16. MSV Duisburg		28:58	20:44
17. VfL Bochum			36:64	19:45
18. Dynamo Dresden		31:65	15:49

Top Scorers:
    19	    Herrlich (M�nchengladbach)
    18	    Basler (Bremen)
    17	    Polster (K�ln)
    16	    Cardoso (Freiburg)
    15	    V�ller (Leverkusen)

German 2.Bundesliga	32nd day

Wattenscheid	- Rostock	0:4
Leipzig		- D�sseldorf	1:2
K�ln		- Mainz		3:1
Saarbr�cken	- Mannheim	4:0
Hertha		- Frankfurt	0:1
St.Pauli	- Zwickau	5:0
Hannover	- Wolfsburg	1:1
N�rnberg	- Homburg	3:0
Chemnitz	- Meppen	(today)    

 1. FC Hansa Rostock	    62:30   42:22
 2. FC St. Pauli	    50:32   40:24 _ 
 3. SV Waldhof Mannheim	    45:32   40:24 | one point gap
----------------------------------------- |  
 4. Fortuna D�sseldorf	    46:34   39:25 |
 5. VfL Wolfsburg	    45:37   39:25 |
 6. SV Meppen		    47:35   37:25 -     <-- one match in hand
 7. Fortuna K�ln	    49:46   32:32
 8. Wattenscheid 09	    49:49   32:32
 9. Chemnitzer FC	    42:46   30:32       <-- one match in hand
10. Hannover 96		    50:45   30:34
11. VfB Leipzig	    	    39:38   29:35 
12. FSV Mainz 05	    42:52   28:36 
13. FSV Zwickau		    30:44   27:37
14. FC Homburg		    37:57   21:43
15. FSV Frankfurt	    31:93   12:52 
-----------------------------------------
16. 1.FC Saarbr�cken	    00:00   00:00
16. Hertha BSC Berlin	    00:00   00:00
16. 1.FC N�rnberg	    00:00   00:00


Saarbr�cken, Hertha, N�rnberg no license for nex season. 
plus Dresden going down makes all 4 relegation spots occupied.


Promotion to 2.Bundesliga: 
4 Regionalligas, 1 match remaining:

South: SpVgg Unterhaching promoted
West:  Arminia Bielefeld promoted
East:   1. FC Jena
        2. Sachsen Leipzig, 1 point behind.
North:  1. VfL Osnabr�ck		3:0 against Bremenrhaven (17th)
        2. VfB L�beck, 3 GOALS behind	6:2 against L�neburg (8th)

	Osnabr�ck must travel to Oldenburg (5th) for the last match.
	L�beck must travel (20km) to Hoisdorf for the last match. Hoisdorf
	  is the former club of L�beck's manager, 18th and last in the table,
	  13 points behind the 17th. L�beck could well eliminate the goal
	  difference. 

     
    Teams promoted to 2.Bundesliga:
    
    North: VfB L�beck 			(!=YESSSS=!)
    East:  FC Jena
    West:  Arminia Bielefeld
    South: SpVgg Unterhaching
    
    Teams qualified for German Amateur championships (2nd of each league):
    
    VfL Osnabr�ck, Sachsen Leipzig, FSV Salmrohr, Stuttgarter Kickers
    

German Bundesliga - 33rd day (1 remaining)

1860 M�nchen	- Kaiserslautern	1:3
Dresden		- Bayern M�nchen	0:1
Bremen		- Karlsruhe		2:1
Bochum		- Schalke		5:1
Freiburg	- Uerdingen		1:0
M�nchengladbach	- Stuttgart		3:1
Duisburg	- Dortmund		2:3
Hamburg		- Frankfurt		3:1
K�ln		- Leverkusen		3:3

						(last match: (A)way, (H)ome)
 1. SV Werder Bremen		69:36	48:18	A: Bayern
 2. BVB Borussia Dortmund	65:33	47:19	H: Hamburg
 3. SC Freiburg			64:43	44:22	A: Schalke
 4. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		55:40	44:22	H: K�ln
 5. Borussia M�nchengladbach	64:38	43:23	A: Uerdingen
-------------------------------------------------------------<UEFA/Champs Cup>-
 6. FC Bayern M�nchen		52:40	41:25	H: Bremen
 7. TSV Bayer 04 Leverkusen	60:49	35:31	H: Dresden
 8. Karlsruher SC		49:45	35:31	H: Bochum
 9. 1.FC K�ln			53:51	32:34	A: Kaiserslautern
10. FC Schalke 04		47:52	31:35	H: Freiburg
11. Eintracht Frankfurt		38:48	31:35	H: 1860
12. Hamburger SV		43:48	29:37	A: Dortmund
13. VfB Stuttgart		49:65	28:38	H: Duisburg
14. TSV 1860 M�nchen		40:54	27:39	A: Frankfurt
15. Bayer 05 Uerdingen		34:50	23:43	H: M�nchengladbach
-----------------------------------------------------------<Relegation Zone>--	
16. VfL Bochum			41:65	21:45	A: Karlsruhe
16. MSV Duisburg		30:61	20:46	A: Stuttgart
18. Dynamo Dresden		31:66	15:51	A: Leverkusen

Top Scorers:
    19	    Herrlich (M�nchengladbach)
    	    Basler (Bremen)
    17	    Polster (K�ln)
    16	    Cardoso (Freiburg)
    	    V�ller (Leverkusen)
	    Kuka (Kaiserslautern)

German 2.Bundesliga	33rd day

Leipzig	    - Chemnitz	    2:3
Zwickau	    - Mainz	    2:1
Frankfurt   - St.Pauli	    1:3
Homburg	    - Hertha	    4:1
Wolfsburg   - N�rnberg	    3:2
Rostock	    - Hannover	    3:0
Mannheim    - Wattenscheid  1:1
Meppen	    - Saarbr�cken   5:1
D�sseldorf  - K�ln	    3:1

					last match (A)way/(H)ome

 1. FC Hansa Rostock	    65:30   44:22	A: N�rnberg
 2. FC St. Pauli	    53:33   42:24	H: Homburg 
 3. Fortuna D�sseldorf	    49:35   41:25	A: Chemnitz
-------------------------------------------------------<promotion zone>---
 4. SV Waldhof Mannheim	    46:33   41:25	A: Hannover
 5. VfL Wolfsburg	    48:39   41:25	A: Hertha
 6. SV Meppen		    52:38   39:27	A: Wattenscheid 
 7. Chemnitzer FC	    47:48   34:32	H: D�sseldorf       
 8. Wattenscheid 09	    50:50   33:33	H: Meppen
 9. Fortuna K�ln	    50:49   32:34	H: Zwickau
10. Hertha BSC Berlin	    40:42   32:34	H: Wolfsburg
11. Hannover 96		    50:48   30:36	H: Mannheim
12. 1.FC N�rnberg	    38:46   30:36	H: Rostock
13. VfB Leipzig	    	    41:41   29:37	A: Saarbr�cken
14. FSV Zwickau		    32:45   29:37	A: K�ln
15. FSV Mainz 05	    43:54   28:38	H: Frankfurt
--------------------------------------------------------<relegation zone>---
16. FC Homburg		    37:58   23:43	A: St.Pauli
17. FSV Frankfurt	    32:96   12:54	A: Mainz
18. 1.FC Saarbr�cken	    00:00   00:00	H: Leipzig


Saarbr�cken  no license for next season. 
plus Dresden going down makes all 2 relegation spots pre-occupied.
Homburg and Frankfurt can't reach safety any more.

Rostock returns to Bundesliga with the youngest of all 2.Bundesliga teams -
including Beinlich and Breitkreutz, the two youngsters who went from 6th
divisionist Bergmann-Borsig Berlin to Aston Villa and playerd there for a year.
Watch out for them, I see them in the national sqad within 4 years.



Hertha and N�rnberg have 'regained' their license in the football association's
court of appeal.
    N�rnberg must pay DM 500,000 and receive a 6 point deduction.
    Hertha get fined DM 250,000 and receive a 3 point deduction.
Both deductions will take effect in the next season.

						(last match: (A)way, (H)ome)
> 1. SV Werder Bremen		69:36	48:18	A: Bayern
> 2. BVB Borussia Dortmund	65:33	47:19	H: Hamburg
 

    So, correct me if I'm wrong, Dortmund pick up the title if they:
    
    a. Defeat Hamburg and Bremen lose at Bayern
    
    or 
     
    b. Defeat Hamburg by two clear goals and Bremen draw, on the assumption 
    that if points and goal difference are the same the title is awarded to
    the side that scores more goals. That's the way it works in England
    (remember Liverpool v Arsenal in '89?). Is it the same in Germany?
    
    Are there any plans to show either of those matches live, if so on 
    what station? If I remember rightly you tend only to get recorded 
    highlights on terrestrial German stations unless things have changed 
    in the last few years?
    
    Come on you Dortmund!
    
    barry.

    
    Thse two matches will be shown live on Premiere (I'd say the Bayern v
    Bremen since this is probably the match with most riding on it).
    
    Unfortunately you would need a card/key to unscramble the signal. If
    you know anyone with a 1.20 m dish then you have a good chance with the
    following 'directions'.
    	Point at Kopernikus 23.5,25.5 or 28.5 and the possibility is there
        though the transmission is usually 'wobbled' slightly and is
        uncomfortable to watch.
    	Point at Intelsat 1.0 W and pick up the Swedish channel which shows
        German football. Unfortuantely this is soft-scrambled in DMAC (not
    	D2 MAC) so you'll need a Eurocrypt-S (not M) decoder (no card
        necessary). TVN in clear PAL on this Sat 'might' just show it.
    
    Where are you based....YUPPY is in London ?? There might be a German
    bar in London licensed to show the game via Premiere (KO 14:30 BST).
    
    Hope this helps a little.
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Dezzz. 
                               
    
     

    
    Dezzzz,
    
    	am I right in saying that Bayern have to win (& someone else lose)
    for them to get into Europe at all next year or have they qualified via
    a cup competition? ......and FC Freiburg are already in a UEFA Cup
    place? Didn't the Bayern manager have something unpleasant to say about
    Freiburg when they got promoted a couple of years back?
    
    JBG

Bayern need Moenchengladbach to win the Cup, otherwise they're not in the UEFA 
Cup - it makes no difference if they win or not. Freiburg and Kaiserslautern 
have the other 2 spots.

grahame

    
    Mmmm, yes of course ...I'd forgotten the huge goal-difference between
    Bayern and Gladbach.
    
    Well, wouldn't it be ironic if Gladbach lose the Cup and Tottenham
    (after being almost forced to compete in the Inter-Toto) manage to
    carve out a UEFA Cup place....which reminds me....
    
    Wasn't today the day when the DFB decides who enters the Inter-ToTo ???
    (Bayern I suppose themselves could make it inside the back-door).
    
    Dezzz.
    

There is the possibility to start in the UEFA Cup after winning the
Intertoto-Cup in summer.

Which German teams are starting in the Intertoto ?

Heribert

    
    Ok, I've just had a look on the Internet ( Rec.Sport.Soccer Statistics
    Foundation.) and I notice that a provisional placing is set for
    Gladbach or Wolfsburg. Doesn't make sense to me I must admit.
    
    Dezzz,

>There is the possibility to start in the UEFA Cup after winning the
>Intertoto-Cup in summer.

No-one wins the Intertoto Cup! The last 4 teams are entered into the UEFA Cup 
preliminary round . . . I wonder why they called it a Cup?

g 

>>No-one wins the Intertoto Cup! The last 4 teams are entered into the UEFA Cup 
>>preliminary round . . . I wonder why they called it a Cup?

Anybody know how many teams are entered for the Intertoto?

Even better, does anybody have the draw?

Michael. 

Cologne/Frankfurt in with Spurs, Swiss team, Osters (Sweden) & Ruders Velenje
(Slovakia).

Karlsruhr in with Sheff Wed, Gornik Zabrze (Poland), Silkeborg (Denmark),
& a Swiss team.

Wimbledon in wirh RSC Charleroi (Belgium), Bursaspor (Turkey), Beitar Jerusalem
& Kosice or ASK Bratislava (Slovakia)

Partick Thistle in with Metz, Linzer (Austria), Keflavik (Iceland) & Zagreb 
(Croatia).

60 teams in all in the 'competition'.

    
    Kostadinov ( Bayern Munchen ) is said to have signed for Bayern for one
    more year. This player belongs to F.C.Porto ( my team ) and he was
    borrowed to Corunha ( Spain) last season. Corunha borrowed him to
    Bayern... Confused ?
    Can anyone confirm this ?
    
    Luis.

German newspapers have said, Kostadinov will not play in the team of Bayern
next year - but newsappers ?

Heribert

German Bundesliga - last day 

Leverkusen	- Dresden	    2:2
Frankfurt	- M�nchen '60	    3:1
Stuttgart	- Duisburg	    3:1
Uerdingen	- M�nchengladbach   3:2
Schalke		- Freiburg	    1:2
Karlsruhe	- Bochum	    2:2
Kaiserslautern	- K�ln		    3:1
Dortmund	- Hamburg	    2:0
Bayern		- Bremen	    3:1


 1. BVB Borussia Dortmund	67:33	49:19
 2. SV Werder Bremen		70:39	48:20
 3. SC Freiburg			66:44	46:22
 4. 1.FC Kaiserslautern		58:41	46:22
 5. Borussia M�nchengladbach	66:41	43:25
 6. FC Bayern M�nchen		55:41	43:25
 7. TSV Bayer 04 Leverkusen	62:51	36:32
 8. Karlsruher SC		51:47	36:32
 9. Eintracht Frankfurt		41:49	33:35
10. 1.FC K�ln			54:54	32:36	
11. FC Schalke 04		48:54	31:37
12. VfB Stuttgart		52:66	30:38
13. Hamburger SV		43:50	29:39
14. TSV 1860 M�nchen		41:57	27:41
15. Bayer 05 Uerdingen		37:52	25:43
16. VfL Bochum			43:65	22:46
17. MSV Duisburg		31:64	20:48
18. Dynamo Dresden		33:68	16:5

Top Scorers:
    20	    Herrlich (M�nchengladbach)
    	    Basler (Bremen)
    17	    Polster (K�ln)
    16	    Cardoso (Freiburg)
    	    V�ller (Leverkusen)
	    Kuka (Kaiserslautern)
    15	    Zorc (Dortmund)
	    Kirsten (Leverhusen)
    14	    Bode (Bremen)	
	    M�ller (Dortmund)
	    Kuntz (Kaiserslautern)
	    Labbadia (K�ln)

Dortmund is German Champion after 32 years.

Freiburg finish 3rd in their second Bundesliga year.

Bremen, Freiburg, Kaiserslautern and M�nchengladbach will play the UEFA Cup. 
If M�nchengladbach wins the cup against Wolfsburg, Bayern will play UEFA
cup.

Bochum, Duisburg and Dresden go down.

Dresden goes down after more than 30 consecutive years in their respective
highest national league.

Marco Bode, Bremen, is the only player since WWII never to have been booked or
sent off. He has played about 120 Bundesliga matches so far. 

German 2.Bundesliga	last day 

St.Pauli	- Homburg	5:0
K�ln		- Zwickau	5:0
Saarbr�cken	- Leipzig	3:3
Wattenscheid	- Meppen	0:2
Hannover	- Mannheim	2:2
N�rnberg	- Rostock	0:1
Hertha		- Wolfsburg	1:3
Mainz		- Frankfurt	7:1
Chemnitz	- D�sseldorf	0:2


 1. FC Hansa Rostock	    66: 30   46:22
 2. FC St. Pauli	    58: 33   44:24	
 3. Fortuna D�sseldorf	    51: 35   43:25
 4. VfL Wolfsburg	    51: 40   43:25
 5. SV Waldhof Mannheim	    48: 35   42:26
 6. SV Meppen		    54: 38   41:27	
 7. 1.FC Saarbr�cken	    45: 43   35:33
 8. Fortuna K�ln	    55: 49   34:34
 9. Wattenscheid 09	    50: 52   33:35	
10. VfB Leipzig	    	    43: 41   32:36
11. Hertha BSC Berlin	    41: 45   32:36	
12. Chemnitzer FC	    44: 49   32:36
13. Hannover 96		    52: 50   31:37
14. FSV Mainz 05	    50: 55   30:38
15. 1.FC N�rnberg	    38: 47   30:36
16. FSV Zwickau		    32: 50   29:39
17. FC Homburg		    41: 63   23:45
18. FSV Frankfurt	    33:103   12:56


Rostock, St.Pauli and D�sseldorf return to the Bundesliga. 

D�sseldorf - as 1860 did last year - walked right through the 2.Bundesliga
from the 3rd division, to make it two promotions in two years.

Homburg and Frankfurt are definitely relegated.

Zwickau will get relegated if either Dresden or Saarbr�cken win in the
FA's court of appeal and receive a license for the next season.

N�rnberg will get relegated if both, Dresden and Saarbr�cken, win in the
FA's court of appeal and receive a license for the next season.

Best scorer is Siggi Reich of Wolfsburg, I think.


Wolfsburg will meet M�nchengladbach in the Olympic Stadium in Berlin for the
German Cup final next weekend (I think).

Words to German League 1994/95 from an Austrian , seeing week for week German
football TV.

Champion: It is a pity for our Austrian Andreas Herzog, 2nd place with Werder
Bremen in the last round.
Congratulation to Dortmund - a great team, great names as Sammer and
others,Moeller a great player, but no personal greatness.

Bremen: I wonder, how this team is able to win the championshipment. Has this
been only Rehagel ?

Great pleasure with 1860 M�nchen, another year in the Bundesliga.
Peter Pacult no new contract in M�nchen - the end of his career.

Toni Polster 3rd in the scorer list - a good year for Polster , not for K�ln.

Bayern M�nchen: Bad luck in this season , the team and Trapattoni much better
than place 6.
Next year with a lot of new players and a new trainer - Champion 1996 ?


Austrians in Germany 1995 and next year (?)

Andreas Herzog		Werder Bremen -> Bayern M�nchen
Anton Polster		FC K�ln
Peter Pacult		1860 M�nchen -> end
Hannes Reinmayer	Uerdingen -> Austria Salzburg (?)

Christian Prosenik (Austria Wien)  ->	Freiburger FC ?
Heimo Pfeifenberger (Salzburg)	   -> 	KSC ?

Heribert

    Hello Heribert,
    
    this is not necessarily the end of Peter Pacult's career. Apparently,
    he is negotiating a new contract with some Austrian clubs. And since
    1860 doesn't ask for any transfer money, it should be easy for him. By
    the way, he had a very emotional good-bye in Munich in a sold-out
    stadium before the match 1860 : Kaiserslautern. When he made his way
    around the field, the crowds cheered and called his name. They all knew
    how much they owed him. An outstanding personality who made a lot of
    friends here in Munich.
    
    Margit
    

UI - Cup

FC K�ln - Tottenham Hotspurs	8:0 (4:0)

Labbadia (4), Polster (2)

    Hmm... looks like Totteringham are going to be in for an interesting
    year... I wonder if they will finally get relegated after just missing
    out last year with the arrival of Klinnsman...
    
    	Cheers,
    
    		Rick.

    Is this Spurs' youth side that played, or is this a bad omen for the
    upcomming season?

Interesting friendship game:

La Coruna - Bayern Muenchen	7:0

After Heiko has gone: nobody in German for results ?

 F.D�sseldorf - 1.FC K�ln      1:1 (1:0)
 Karlsruhe    - Bayern M�nchen 2:6 (1:3)
 Leverkusen   - Bor.Dortmund   1:1 (0:0)
 Uerdingen    - E.Frankfurt    1:1 (0:1)
 K'lautern    - B.M'gladbach   1:3 (0:1)
 1860 M�nchen - VfB Stuttgart  1:1 (1:0)
 SC Freiburg  - FC St.Pauli    0:2 (0:0)
 Hamburger SV - Werder Bremen  3:3 (2:1)
 Schalke 04   - Hansa Rostock  1:3 (0:1)



  1. BAYERN M�NCHEN  2  2  0  0  9:4   6
  2. FC ST.PAULI     2  2  0  0  6:2   6
  3. BOR.M'GLADBACH  2  2  0  0  4:1   6
  4. B.LEVERKUSEN    2  1  1  0  3:2   4
  5. HANSA ROSTOCK   2  1  0  1  4:3   3
  6. SCHALKE 04      2  1  0  1  2:3   3
  7. WERDER BREMEN   2  0  2  0  4:4   2
  8. E.FRANKFURT     2  0  2  0  3:3   2
  9. BOR.DORTMUND    2  0  2  0  2:2   2
   . F.D�SSELDORF    2  0  2  0  2:2   2
 11. UERDINGEN       2  0  2  0  1:1   2
   . VfB STUTTGART   2  0  2  0  1:1   2
 13. HAMBURGER SV    2  0  1  1  5:6   1
 14. 1.FC K�LN       2  0  1  1  1:2   1
 15. 1860 M�NCHEN    2  0  1  1  3:5   1
 16. KAISERSLAUTERN  2  0  1  1  2:4   1
 17. KARLSRUHER SC   2  0  1  1  4:8   1
 18. SC FREIBURG     2  0  0  2  0:3   0

    
    Good start to the season for Monchengladbach,but can anyone tell me
    if Heiko Herrlich is still with the club,or did he get transfered ?
    What were the significant signings in the pre-season ?
    
    Andy.

I think Herrlich went to Dortmund, and scored in their first game. Everyone 
else went to Bayern.

g

    
    What's the forward line at Dortmund this year,as I understand they also
    signed Sosa from Inter Milan ? 
    
    Andy.

Andy,


BORUSSIA  DORTMUND: 


 1: Stefan Klos         
 2: Knut Reinhardt
 3: Bodo Schmidt
 4: Steffen Freund  
 5: Silva Julio Cesar
 6: Matthias Sammer
 7: Stefan Reuter  
 8: Michael Zorc 
 9: Stephan� Chapiusat
10: Andreas M�ller
11: Heiko Herrlich           [NEW: from Borussia M�nchengladbach] 
12: Wolfgang de Beer           
13: Karlheinz Riedle
14: Patrick Berger
15: J�rgen Kohler
16: Martin Kree 
17: - 
18: Lars Ricken        
19: Marco Kurz    
20: G�nter Kutowski
21: Carsten Wohlers
22: Ibrahim Tanko
23: Ren� Tretschok  
24: Thomas Franck
25: Nedijeljko Zelic         [-> Queens Park Rangers]
26: Marc Arnold

??: Ruben Sosa 


BAYERN MUENCHEN

 1: Oliver Kahn
 2: Markus Babbel
 3: Dieter Frey
 4: Oliver Kreuzer
 5: Thomas Helmer
 6: Christian Nerlinger
 7: Mehmet Scholl
 8: Thomas Strunz		new
 9: Jean-Pierre Papin
10: Lothar Matth�us
11: Marcel Witeczek
12: Sven Scheuer
13: Samuel Kuffour
14: Ciriaco Sforza		new
15: Alain Sutter
16: Dietmar Hamann
17: Christian Ziege
18: J�rgen Klinsmann		new
19: Emile Kostadinov		new
20: Andreas Herzog		new
21: Alexander Zickler
22: Thomas Tomic		new
23: Michael Probst		new


Heribert

 For my German neighbours, 3rd round in Germany

 B.M�nchen     - Uerdingen     2:0 (1:0)
 E.Frankfurt   - 1860 M�nchen  4:2 (0:0)
 VfB Stuttgart - SC Freiburg   3:1 (2:1)
 Schalke 04    - F.D�sseldorf  1:1 (0:1)
 1.FC K�ln     - Hamburger SV  3:2 (1:0)
 2 goals of our Austrian Toni Polster
 
 Hansa Rostock - Bor.Dortmund  3:2 (1:2)
 Werder Bremen - Karlsruhe     1:0 (0:0)
 FC St.Pauli   - K'lautern     1:2 (0:2)
 M'gladbach    - Leverkusen    0:0



  1. BAYERN M�NCHEN  3  3  0  0 11:4   9
  2. BOR.M'GLADBACH  3  2  1  0  4:1   7
  3. FC ST.PAULI     3  2  0  1  7:4   6
  4. HANSA ROSTOCK   3  2  0  1  7:5   6
  5. E.FRANKFURT     3  1  2  0  7:5   5
  6. VfB STUTTGART   3  1  2  0  4:2   5
  7. WERDER BREMEN   3  1  2  0  5:4   5
  8. B.LEVERKUSEN    3  1  2  0  3:2   5
  9. 1.FC K�LN       3  1  1  1  4:4   4
 10. KAISERSLAUTERN  3  1  1  1  4:5   4
 11. SCHALKE 04      3  1  1  1  3:4   4
 12. F.D�SSELDORF    3  0  3  0  3:3   3
 13. BOR.DORTMUND    3  0  2  1  4:5   2
 14. KFC UERDINGEN   3  0  2  1  1:3   2
 15. HAMBURGER SV    3  0  1  2  7:9   1
 16. 1860 M�NCHEN    3  0  1  2  5:9   1
 17. KARLSRUHER SC   3  0  1  2  4:9   1
 18. SC FREIBURG     3  0  0  3  1:6   0

    5th round:
    
    Bayern M�nchen 	-	Freiburg	2:0
    both goals scored by Klinsmann
    Frankfurt		-	Kaiserslautern	3:1
    Stuttgart		-	Leverkusen	1:4
    St. Pauli		-	Dortmund	0:3
    D�sseldorf		-	Hamburger SV	2:2
    Rostock		-	M�nchengladbach	2:3
    Schalke		-	Karlsruhe	2:1
    Bremen		-	1860 M�nchen	2:0
    K�ln		-	Uerdingen	0:0
    
    1.	BAYERN M�NCHEN		15:4	15 POINTS
    2.	M�NCHENGLADBACH		 8:5	10
    3.  LEVERKUSEN		 8:4	 9
    4.  DORTMUND		 9:6	 8
    5.  FRANKFURT		10:8	 8
    6.  BREMEN			 7:7	 8
    7.  SCHALKE			 6:6	 8
    8.  ROSTOCK			11:10	 7
    9.  ST. PAULI		 8:8	 7
    10. UERDINGEN		 4:3	 6
    11. STUTTGART		 6:7	 6
    12. D�SSELDORF		 7:7	 5
    13. K�LN			 4:5	 5
    14. KAISERSLAUTERN		 6:9	 5
    15. KARLSRUHE		 6:11	 4
    16. HAMBURGER SV		10:12	 3
    17. FREIBURG		 3:8	 3
    18. 1860 M�NCHEN		 5:13	 1
    
    markusFCB_back_to_the_top_of_europe	

Yesterday I have seen in German TV:

German Cup - 2nd round
 
Fortuna Duesseldorf - Bayern Munich     3:1 (1:0)
 
50.000; Pancev (20.), Cyron (79.),
Seeliger (90.); Helmer (74.)

Heribert

    ....meanwhile 1860 thrashed Frankfurt 5-1.....
    
    Who would have guessed that Bayern would be the odd one out of the
    advancing teams from Bavaria (Nurnberg and Unterhaching also won).
    
    The funny thing was that Klinnsman was on Five Live (recorded
    previously) talking about the 'international' team that Beckenbauer had
    put together....
    
    Dezzz.

I saw the highlights of the Lions' game last night - great stuff. I loved the 
4th (?) goal where instead of trying to conjour a way through the defence he 
just chipped the keeper from 25 yards.

2 wins in a row at the OlympiaStadion - they'll be wondering why they didn't 
move there earlier!

g

DFB - Cup, 2nd round

 F.D�SSELDORF  - B.M�nchen     3:1 (1:0)
 VfB Leipzig   - SCHALKE 04    0:1 (0:0)
 SpVgg Beckum  - UNTERHACHING  2:3 (1:3)
 K'LAUTERN     - Wattenscheid  3:0 (0:0)
 BOR.DORTMUND  - KFC Uerdingen 3:0 (0:0)
 1.FC N�RNBERG - SV Meppen     2:1 (1:0)
 SC FREIBURG   - Arm.Bielefeld 1:0 (0:0)
 1860 M�NCHEN  - E.Frankfurt   5:1 (2:0)
 Sachs.Leipzig - KARLSRUHER SC 0:2 (0:1)
 Sandhausen    - FC HOMBURG    1:2 (0:1)
 Greifswald    - RW ESSEN      1:4 (0:2)
 LOK STENDAL   - Hertha Berlin 3:2 n.V.
 FC Jena       - CHEMNITZER FC 2:5 (1:1)
 B.LEVERKUSEN  - M'gladbach    2:0 (1:0)	out of '95 winner
 SVW MANNHEIM  - FSV Zwickau   2:0 (2:0)
 FSV Mainz 05  - WERDER BREMEN 2:3 (1:2)


 1/8 final
 
 1.FC N�rnberg - Werder Bremen
 FC Homburg    - 1860 M�nchen
 Unterhaching  - Karlsruher SC
 Lok Stendal   - W.Mannheim
 F.D�sseldorf  - Chemnitzer FC
 K'lautern     - Schalke 04
 SC Freiburg   - Bor.Dortmund
 RW Essen      - B.Leverkusen

    
    German football results on the Web (NOS Dutch teletext) :
    
    Results : http://www.omroep.nl/cgi-bin/tt/nos/page/680-1
    Table   : http://www.omroep.nl/cgi-bin/tt/nos/page/680-2

    after a long time.....
    
    9th day:
    
    Rostock	-	Stuttgart 	3:3
    Schalke	-	Kaiserslautern  1:1
    Bremen	-	Dortmund	2:2
    Bayern	-	Gladbach	1:2
    Frankfurt	-	St. Pauli	2:2
    Karlsruhe	-	Uerdingen	2:0
    Hamburger SV-	1860 M�nchen	2:2
    D�sseldorf	-	Freiburg	0:0
    K�ln	-	Leverkusen	2:2
    
    1. Bayern M�nchen	21:11	21 points
    2. Dortmund		24:15	18
    3. M�nchengladbach	16:16	16
    4. Rostock		19:14	15
    5. Leverkusen	14:9	14
    6. Bremen		13:12	14
    7. Schalke		11:10	14
    8. Stuttgart	20:17	13
    9. St. Pauli	15:17	11
    10.Karlsruhe	11:14	11
    11.D�sseldorf	10:12	 9
    12.Frankfurt	16:20	 9
    13.1860 M�nchen	12:18	 9
    14.K�ln		 9:11	 8
    15.Uerdingen	 6:8	 8
    16.Kaiserslautern	11:15	 8
    17.Hamburger SV	14:16	 7
    18.SC Freiburg	 5:12	 5
    
    Top Goalscorers:
    
    7 Goals	Baumgart (Rostock)
    		Elber (Stuttgart)
    6 Goals	Dahlin (Gladbach)
    		Sawitschew (St. Pauli)
    .
    .
    .
    .
    3 Goals	Klinsmann (Bayern)
    
    markusFCB_

1/4 final German Cup:

Bor. Dortmund - Karlsruhe SC 	1:3 (0:1)

1/2 final:

Kaiserslautern - B.Leverkusen
Karlsruhe SC - Duesseldorf

Awesome performance by the Dortmund "defence" last night. They treated every 
high ball as if it was a bomb coming in. They'll need a new defence (and 
goalkeeper) for the Rangers game.

But Karlsruhe played well too - a well-deserved win.

g

Hi Neil,

12-13 March - plenty of time to save up the plane fare.

g

    
    17th round:
    
    Uerdingen - St. Pauli 	2:5
    Hamburger SV - Frankfurt	5:1
    Freiburg - Dortmund		0:1
    1860 M�nchen - Gladbach	4:0
    Karlsruhe - Stuttgart 	1:2
    D�sseldorf - Bayern		0:2
    Schalke - Bremen		2:1
    Kaiserslautern - Leverkusen	1:0
    K�ln - Rostock		3:0
    
    1. Dortmund		44:20	40p
    2. Bayern		36:18	38
    3. Stuttgart	38:31	28
    4. Gladbach		28:31	28
    5. Hambruger SV	29:23	26
    6. Leverkusen	22:15	25
    7. Rostock		28:22	25
    8. Schalke		21:23	25
    9. St. Pauli	27:29	20
    10.Frankfurt	29:33	20
    11.1860 M�nchen	22:26	18
    12.Karlsruhe	23:29	18
    13.K�ln		18:22	17
    14.Kaiserslautern	18:24	17
    15.Bremen		17:23	17
    16.Freiburg		12:23	16
    17.Uerdingen	15:22	14
    18.D�sseldorf	16:29	13
    
    top goalscorers:
    
    12 Dahlin (Gladbach)
       Bobic  (Stuttgart)
       Elber  (Stuttgart)
     8 M�ller (Dortmund)
    .
    .
    .
     6 Klinsmann (Bayern)
       Beinlich  (Rostock)
    
    markusFCB_

So what is going on at Bayern?

Joint top of the League and on the weekend before the UEFA Cup Final, they sack 
the trainer. Beckenbauer appoints himself as Trainer for the rest of the 
season - no wonder he needed a police escort to training yesterday!

grahame

My point of view of this event last Saturday:

Bayern lost at home against Hansa Rostock. The "Bayern - mafia" * never has
given the coach Otto Rehagel (a half year ago he has been announced the best
German coach of the last years) any chance.

* Beckenbauer,Hoeness,Rumenigge

An example: There has been a problem with the player Mehmet Scholl in the autumn
season,Rehagel wished to fire this player -> result: the president of Bayern
Munich - Franz Beckenbauer - has given Scholl a 4 years contract !!

Beckenbauer and Hoeness fired Rehagel last weekend, informing him ten minutes
before the press conference .(The chairmans have not been fair the last half
year, why should they be in the last moment).
The decision has been made together with three players of Bayern .

Bayern's Austrian player Andreas Herzog has been the only one, who
had courage, saying the firing of Rehagel is a dirty trick.

Bayern's new coach next year will be Trappatoni (6th in Germany with Bayern 
two years ago).

Franz Beckenbauer , named "Kaiser Franz" has been one of the best football 
players, but humanly it seems, he is not one of the best.

If Bayern will be winner of the UEFA Cup and/or Champion of Germany, than 
Beckenbauer is the great hero.
If Bayern has no success, this will be cause of Rehagels's bad work -
an easy way of "Kaiser Franz" , same has happened with Bayern coach Ribbeck.

The crowd of Austria's people wishes Bordeaux the best for winning the UEFA Cup
and Borr.Dortmund for German's Championshipment.

Heribert

    Borussia Dortmund beat Bayern Munich 3-2 last night, to go 3 points clear 
    with 2 games to go. All that after Bayern were 2-0 ahead, ho-ho :-)
    
    I'll bet Otto was delighted with that win :-) and a
    lot of Germans happy after the disgraceful way he was treated.
    
    1860 drew 1-1 to maintain 8th position.
    
    - Robin

Beckenbauer - after the match: " We will not be champion this year
We have not lost the championshipment in this game, reason are the last
four games (with Otto Rehagel).

Easy, to be successful ?

Heribert

>    Borussia Dortmund beat Bayern Munich 3-2 last night, to go 3 points clear 
>    with 2 games to go. All that after Bayern were 2-0 ahead, ho-ho :-)
    
Not exactly! Bayern lost 3-2 at Werder Bremen (Rehhagel's old club!), Dortmund 
beat Leverkusen (I think) 2-0.

Personally, I can't stand either side - Bayern don't deserve to win anything 
(though Klinsmann probably deserves the UEFA Cup himself), and Dortmund are a 
bunch of whining primadonnas. What a pity 1860 and Karlsruhe left their good 
runs to the second half of the season!

>    1860 drew 1-1 to maintain 8th position.
    
Yes, they tried very hard to let Kaiserslautern win this - how many open goals 
did they miss? Kaiserslautern look doomed, along with Eintracht now.

g

Interesting weekend - from Austrian point of view.

FC Koeln:

Austria's forward Anton POLSTER has many problems with his coach.
Toni Polster has not been in the team this season. .
This weekend Toni was changed into the game because of an injured
forward in the 78. minute, standing 1:1.
In the last 5 minutes Polster made the 2:1 and 3:1 and Koeln is 1st in 
Germany !!
Next game Polster will not play.

Interesting, in all teams ranking 1-4 Austrians are playing.


St.Pauli        - Schalke          4 - 4
Hansa_Rostock   - Hamburger_SV     0 - 1
Bochum          - Bielefeld        1 - 1
M'gladbach      - Karlsruhe        1 - 3
Stuttgart       - Werder_Bremen    2 - 1
Freiburg        - FC_K�ln          1 - 3
1860_M�nchen    - Dortmund         1 - 3
Leverkusen      - D�sseldorf       0 - 1
Duisburg        - B.M�nchen        0 - 4

 
 1. FC_K�ln          3     3   0   0     7  -   1     9
 2. B.M�nchen        3     2   1   0     7  -   2     7
 3. Stuttgart        2     2   0   0     6  -   1     6
 4. Dortmund         3     2   0   1     9  -   5     6
 5. Hamburger_SV     3     2   0   1     7  -   3     6
 6. Leverkusen       3     2   0   1     7  -   4     6
 7. Bochum           3     1   2   0     3  -   2     5
 8. Karlsruhe        2     1   1   0     5  -   3     4
 9. St.Pauli         3     1   1   1     7  -   7     4
10. 1860_M�nchen     3     1   0   2     3  -   5     3
11. Freiburg         3     1   0   2     5  -  10     3
12. D�sseldorf       3     1   0   2     1  -   7     3
13. Hansa_Rostock    3     0   2   1     3  -   4     2
14. Bielefeld        3     0   2   1     2  -   3     2
15. M'gladbach       3     0   2   1     1  -   3     2
-------------------------------------------------------
16. Schalke          3     0   2   1     4  -   8     2
17. Werder_Bremen    3     0   1   2     4  -   6     1
18. Duisburg         3     0   0   3     1  -   8     0

 Arm.Bielefeld-VfL Bochum..... 3:1 (2:0)
 Schalke 04-FC St.Pauli....... 0:0

 Karlsruher SC-Bor.M'gladbach. 1:1 (0:0)
 Werder Bremen-VfB Stuttgart.. 2:2 (2:1)
 1.FC K�ln-SC Freiburg........ 1:0 (0:0)
 Bor.Dortmund-1860 M�nchen.... 4:1 (3:1)
 Bayern M�nchen-MSV Duisburg.. 5:2 (2:0)
 F.D�sseldorf-Bay.Leverkusen.. 0:0
 Hamburger SV-Hansa Rostock... 1:1 (1:0)


 		     1.Bayern M�nchen  20   36:17     43
 		     2.Bor.Dortmund    20   43:22     40
 		     3.Bay.Leverkusen  20   40:25     38
                     4.VfB Stuttgart   20   42:22     35
                     5.1.FC K�ln       20   36:32     32
                     6.Karlsruher SC   20   32:23     30
                     7.Schalke 04      20   26:26     30
                     8.Werder Bremen   20   33:30     29
                     9.VfL Bochum      19   26:26     29
                    10.Arm.Bielefeld   20   26:33     25
                    11.Hamburger SV    20   29:30     24
                    12.1860 M�nchen    20   31:38     24
                    13.MSV Duisburg    20   20:29     23
                    14.F.D�sseldorf    20   16:28     22
                    15.Bor.M'gladbach  20   15:24     20
                    16.FC St.Pauli     19   23:35     19
                    17.Hansa Rostock   20   21:29     17
                    18.SC Freiburg     20   20:46     13



 14 Tore: Sean Dundee (Karlsruhe)
 12 Tore: Fredi Bobic (Stuttgart)
          Andreas Herzog (Bremen/AUSTRIA)
 11 Tore: Ulf Kirsten (Leverkusen)
          Paulo Sergio (Leverkusen)
          Bernhard Winkler (1860)
          Jonathan Akpoborie (Rostock)
 10 Tore: Giovane Elber (Stuttgart)
          Martin Max (Schalke)
  9 Tore: Toni Polster (K�ln/AUSTRIA)
          J�rgen Klinsmann (Bayern)

    
    
    
    Rostock - K�ln 0:0
    Bochum - Schalke 0:1
    Freiburg - Dortmund 1:2
    Stuttgart - Hamburg 4:1
    Gladbach - Bremen 4:1
    St. Pauli - Karlsruhe 2:4
    Duisburg - Bielefeld 0:0
    1860 M�nchen - D�sseldorf 3:0
    Leverkusen - Bayern 5:2
    
  1. Dortmund       21 45:23 43
  2. Bayern M�nchen 21 38:22 43
  3. Leverkusen     21 45:27 41
  4. Stuttgart      21 46:23 38
  5. Karlsruhe      21 36:25 33
  6. K�ln           21 36:32 33
  7. Schalke        21 27:26 33
  8. Bremen         21 34:34 29
  9. Bochum         20 26:27 29
 10. 1860 M�nchen   21 34:38 27
 11. Bielefeld      21 26:33 26
 12. Hamburger SV   21 30:34 24
 13. Duisburg       21 20:29 24
 14. Gladbach       21 19:25 23
 15. D�sseldorf     21 16:31 22   
 16. St. Pauli      20 25:39 19
 17. Rostock        21 21:29 18
 18. Freiburg       21 21:48 13


    markusFCB_

    
    22nd round: results 11-MAR-97
    
    K�ln - Stuttgart 1:5
    Karlsruhe - Bochum 2:3
    Hamburg - Gladbach 2:1
    Bremen - St. Pauli 2:1
    Schalke - Duisburg 4:0
    
    fixtures 12-MAR-97:
    
    Bielefeld - Bayern M�nchen
    1860 M�nchen - Leverkusen
    Dortmund - Rostock
    D�sseldorf - Freiburg
                      
    markusFCB_

    
    results 12-MAR-97:
    
    Dortmund - Rostock 3:0
    1860 M�nchen - Leverkusen 3:0
    D�sseldorf - Freibrug 2:1
    Bielefeld - Bayern 2:0  Why why why?
    
    markusFCB_

        Duisburg - Karlsruhe 2:2
        St. Pauli - Hamburger SV 2:2
        Stuttgart - Dortmund 4:1
        Bayern - Schalke 3:0
        Leverkusen - Bielefeld 1:0
        Freiburg - 1860 M�nchen 2:2
        Rostock - D�sseldorf 3:1
        Gladbach - K�ln 2:1
        Bochum - Bremen 3:2
    
    
  1. Dortmund      23 49:27 46
  2. Bayern M�nchen23 41:24 46
  3. Stuttgart     23 55:25 43
  4. Leverkusen    23 46:23 43
  5. Schalke       23 31:29 36
  6. Bochum        22 32:31 35
  7. Karlsruhe     23 40:30 34
  8. K�ln          23 38:39 33
  9. Bremen        23 38:38 32
 10. 1860 M�nchen  23 39:40 31
 11. Bielefeld     23 28:34 29
 12. Hamburger SV  23 34:37 28
 13. Gladbach      23 22:28 26
 14. Duisburg      23 22:35 25
 15. D�sseldorf    23 19:35 25   
 16. Rostock       23 24:33 21
 17. St. Pauli     22 28:43 20
 18. Freiburg      23 24:52 14

    
    markusFCB_

    
    J�rgen Klinsmann will leave Bayern M�nchen at the end of season.
    He dont know his new club but it is a team abroad.
    
    markusFCB_disappointed�

>    J�rgen Klinsmann will leave Bayern M�nchen at the end of season.
>    He dont know his new club but it is a team abroad.
    
My paper says it won't be in America or Japan, he wants to stay in Europe. The 
only team it mentions is Chelsea . . .

grahame

    
    
    News this morning stated that Everton are prepared to pay him 50k a
    week!!!!, although Cosmopolitan Chelsea are favourites at the moment.
    
    Danny.

    >News this morning stated that Everton are prepared to pay him 50k a
    >week!!!!
    
    	Plus a helicopter if he wants to live in London & only travel to
    Liverpool when he wants to train etc.
    
    Cheers,
    
    	Rick.
    	

    
    Rangers turned him down due to his past criminal record....doesn't have
    one !  hahahahahahahhahahha
    
    TeePee

Bayern champion ?

 VfL Bochum    - F.D�sseldorf  3:1 (3:0)
 MSV Duisburg  - Bor.Dortmund  3:2 (1:0)
 Schalke 04    - Werder Bremen 1:1 (1:0)
 VfB Stuttgart - Hansa Rostock 5:1 (1:0)
 B.M'gladbach  - SC Freiburg   4:3 (2:2)
 B.M�nchen     - 1.FC K�ln     3:2 (1:0)
 FC St.Pauli   - 1860 M�nchen  0:0
 Arm.Bielefeld - Hamburger SV  1:1 (1:1)
 B.Leverkusen  - Karlsruher SC 3:1 (1:1)


  1. Bayern M�nchen 27 17  7  3 50:26 58
  2. B.Leverkusen   27 16  5  6 53:33 53
  3. VfB Stuttgart  27 15  7  5 66:28 52
  4. Bor.Dortmund   27 16  4  7 55:33 52
  5. VfL Bochum     27 10 10  7 40:40 40
  6. 1860 M�nchen   27 10  9  8 45:41 39
  7. Schalke 04     27 10  9  8 32:32 39
  8. Karlsruher SC  27 10  8  9 43:36 38
  9. Werder Bremen  27 10  6 11 41:43 36
 10. Bor.M'gladbach 27 10  5 12 31:35 35
 11. MSV Duisburg   27  9  8 10 33:40 35
 12. 1.FC K�ln      27 10  4 13 44:50 34
 13. Hamburger SV   27  7 10 10 38:44 31
 14. Arm.Bielefeld  27  8  7 12 31:39 31
 15. F.D�sseldorf   27  8  4 15 22:44 28
 16. Hansa Rostock  27  7  6 14 29:41 27
 17. FC St.Pauli    27  7  6 14 31:47 27
 18. SC Freiburg    27  4  3 20 30:62 15