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Conference thebay::joyoflex

Title:The Joy of Lex
Notice:A Notes File even your grammar could love
Moderator:THEBAY::SYSTEM
Created:Fri Feb 28 1986
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1192
Total number of notes:42769

995.0. "Out of Order -> Wot no coffee ?" by KAOFS::S_BROOK () Tue Aug 11 1992 08:12

    The last entry in WAF presented a very common phrase with a very
    confusing meaning if you think about it ... but on the other hand
    we accept it all the time.
    
    Typically seen hung on a vending machine ...
    
    Out of order
    
    
    I believe its original meaning was that the machine no longer had
    the product you "ordered".
    
    But it normally is a synonymous for ...
    
         Not in working order ... broken
    
    
    This phrase was then adopted to be applied to any broken machine where
    really it doesn't make any sense.
    
    Or does it have anything to do with the expression "Out of sorts" which
    we use to describe someone who doesn't feel well.  (Where did that
    phrase come from?)
    
    Of course there is always teh question, what order were the machines
    meant to be in ?  Soda on the left, food on the right, coffee in the
    middle ???
    
    How many other common phrases do we use like this ?
    
    Stuart
    
    
     
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995.1SSDEVO::EGGERSAnybody can fly with an engine.Tue Aug 11 1992 08:383
    Then there is the flip side:  "in working order," meaning something is
    functioning within normal parameters.  (I guess I've been watching too
    much Star Trek.)
995.2Under the *what*?MCIS5::WOOLNERYour dinner is in the supermarketTue Aug 11 1992 09:108
> Or does it have anything to do with the expression "Out of sorts" which
> we use to describe someone who doesn't feel well.  (Where did that
> phrase come from?)

Reminds me of something my daughter said when she was 4.  Recalling my comment
that morning about her cold, she told Grandma, "I'm under the news."

Leslie
995.3Look at `Ordnung'LINGO::KNOWLESSpelling chequers are knot the hole answerWed Aug 12 1992 05:4111
Surely it means simply `not working'. A number of other languages use ORD*.
I can't think of examples other than German, but I'll eat my [electronic]
hat if there aren't more. Maybe what you suggest is a possibility, but I 
doubt it.

`Feeling ill' is no problem - `ill' is the opposite of `well', adverbs
based on `bad' and `good' respectively. They don't _feel_ like adverbs
now, and they're irregular (as are most good/bad words), but that's the 
etymology - cf `feeling poorly'.

b
995.4POWDML::SATOWWed Aug 12 1992 06:309
Another phrase that has a meaning to "out of sorts" is "not feeling up to 
par," or "not up to par."  This phrase is curious to me, because one of the 
most common uses of "par" is in golf, in which "below par" or "under par" is 
_goodness_.

I suppose that has more to do with the peculiarity of golf (low score wins) 
than it does with the use of the word "par."

Clay
995.5REGENT::POWERSWed Aug 12 1992 07:244
"Par" just means normal or expected.
Thus in golf, one does well when one is under par, since this is better
than expected.
In everyday life, feeling "under par" is being not up to expectations.
995.6KAOFS::S_BROOKWed Aug 12 1992 07:528
Feeling ill isn't a problem ...

"Out of sorts" is!

I'm not "out of" anything, and I certainly don't carry around sorts ... not
even liquorice allsorts!

Stuart
995.7Is this note B.O.?CUPMK::SLOANECommunication is the keyWed Aug 12 1992 11:529
    A friend of mine worked for a company that used the term "bad order"
    usually abbreviated as "B.O," when anything was out of order.
    
    One day he went to the bathroom, and one of the stalls had the
    following sign on the door: 
    
        B.O. Do not use
    
    Bruce
995.8JIT081::DIAMONDbad wiring. That was probably it. Very bad.Wed Aug 12 1992 18:504
    .3> cf `feeling poorly'.
    
    As Isaac Asimov once wrote, the only kind of person who can say
    "feeling poorly" is an inept dirty old man.
995.9SMURF::BINDERUt aperies operaThu Aug 13 1992 07:198
    Re: .7
    
    BAD ORDER is a term used by American railroads to indicate "not in
    working order."  A car that must be reshopped before being put into a
    train is indicated by affixing to it a day-glo orange placard called a
    bad order card and bearing that legend.
    
    -dick
995.10Did you ever sit on a day-glo orange placard?CUPMK::SLOANECommunication is the keyThu Aug 13 1992 11:039
    Re: .7 & .9
    
    BAD ORDER may be used by American railroads, but this was a toilet that
    wasn't working. 
    
    And I don't think it had a day-glo orange placard, unless it was on the
    seat.
    
    Bruce
995.11.10, did you think placard = place card?MCIS5::WOOLNERYour dinner is in the supermarketThu Aug 13 1992 11:450
995.12puny?VSSCAD::ALTMANBARBThu Aug 13 1992 12:135
	I thought "feelin' poorly" was a regionalism;  I've heard it
abbreviated to just "poorly"  ("How the heck are ya, boy?"  "Poorly").

	My grandma used to say she was feeling puny.  I don't think this
is related to getting small.
995.13'Out of sorts' -- from typography?RDVAX::KALIKOWPartially sage, and rarely on timeFri Aug 14 1992 08:219
    Somewhere in my longterm memory I've heard that this expression comes
    from the age of loose-type compositors, the predecessors of the
    linotype.   These newspaper and book-publishing workers, when the
    "printers' devils" hadn't been able to keep up with their demand that
    the various bins of type be replenished with properly sorted type, got
    unhappy because they were "out of sorts."  
    
    True?  Well anyhow it fits the data.  :-)
    
995.14Sort is sort of Order, Dis is kind of Out ofESGWST::RDAVISBlue devils for a brown studyFri Aug 14 1992 14:204
    Haven't y'all heard tell of "stomach disorders" or "a nervous
    disorder"?
    
    Ray