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Title:The Joy of Lex
Notice:A Notes File even your grammar could love
Moderator:THEBAY::SYSTEM
Created:Fri Feb 28 1986
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1192
Total number of notes:42769

993.0. "Challenge for joyoflexers: need a new word" by CRIME::BIJAOUI (Tomorrow Never Knows) Thu Aug 06 1992 02:14

    I need a new word (I couldn't find it in french nor english). 
    
    In english, when you need liquid (to drink), you say that you are
    thirsty.
    
    When you need solid material (to eat, food), you say that you are
    hungry.
    
    When you need gas (e.g. air, but also any other gas, not necessarely
    oxygen), you say what ?
    
    french and english will be welcomed. 
    
    
    Thanx for helping,
    Pierre.
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993.1Wind Up?VANINE::LOVELL� l'eau; c'est l'heureThu Aug 06 1992 04:319
Pierre,

"Winded" is a term that is used in English to indicate a temporary lack of
"puff" and desire for intake thereof.

Also "windbag" (once derogatory) is used as a term to describe one who has had
enough of said substance and is converting the excess into spoken material.

/Chris
993.2New `asphyxiated' is old `winded' writ largeLINGO::KNOWLESSpelling chequers are knot the hole answerThu Aug 06 1992 06:2915
Needing air is `asphyxiated' - though for some reason there's a wide (and
probably representative) body of opinion that reserves `asphyxiated' to
mean `strangled [by physical constriction of the wind-pipe]. Ask a First 
Aider, though, and you'll get the answer that strangulation by physical 
constriction of the wind-pipe is only one cause of asphyxia. `In a state
of asphyxia' might do the job you want without raising questions about
stangulation, but the phrase is pretty leaden; French `asphyxi�', if it
exists, might get around that problem.

I like `winded', only it has a rather precise application - the state of
asphyxia that happens after a blow to the solar plexus. I believe there
are/have been uses of `winded' without that particular connotation, but
`having had the breath knocked out of one' is the most common meaning.

b
993.3REGENT::BROOMHEADDon't panic -- yet.Thu Aug 06 1992 10:257
    No, one can also become winded from strenuous exertion.
    
    I think `asphyxiated' is used by police surgeons as a CYA for `probably
    strangled, but could have been finished off by smothering, burking,
    smoke inhalation... Let me do the autopsy first, guys, willya?'
    
    						Ann B.
993.4re .3NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Thu Aug 06 1992 10:491
Burking?
993.5Hypoxic?WHOS01::BOWERSDave Bowers @WHOThu Aug 06 1992 10:561
    
993.6MYCRFT::PARODIJohn H. ParodiThu Aug 06 1992 12:547
    
    Pierre,
    
    Just out of curiosity, what gas -- other than air or oxygen -- might
    one need?
    
    JP
993.7CRIME::BIJAOUITomorrow Never KnowsThu Aug 06 1992 13:449
    In the context of scuba-diving, where you don't always need oxygen 
    _only_, nor _air_ only. Mixings can be quite different, possibly 
    involving the rare gas of the atmosphere (Helium, Hydrogen) as diluants
    to the oxygen (like you would use water for drinking your Pastis).
    
    Then I thought that there was a word for liquid, solid but not gas.
    
    
    Pierre.
993.8NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Thu Aug 06 1992 13:553
You're hungry for food, not solids, and you're thirsty for beverages, not
liquids.  For instance, suppose you need (or want) to take some medication.
Are you hungry for a pill or thirsty for cough syrup?
993.9cravedJIT081::DIAMONDbad wiring. That was probably it. Very bad.Thu Aug 06 1992 19:380
993.10anchaoticPASTIS::MONAHANhumanity is a trojan horseFri Aug 07 1992 00:215
    	If all else fails, coin something from Greek roots. How about
    "anchaotic" ?
    
    	"We're all a little anchaotic up here at the moment", said Franco
    as he plugged the leak in the space shuttle.
993.11suffocatingDYPSS1::DYSERTBarry - Custom Software DevelopmentFri Aug 07 1992 08:280
993.12SSDEVO::EGGERSAnybody can fly with an engine.Fri Aug 07 1992 21:436
    Anoxic - need oxygen.
    
    That could be the result of several things, like carbon monoxide
    poisoning or being in an atmosphere depleted of oxygen, or a medical
    problem resulting in the body's inability to distribute oxygen in the
    blood.
993.13Further thoughtsLINGO::KNOWLESSpelling chequers are knot the hole answerMon Aug 10 1992 06:1318
There is such a thing as `oxygen starvation', but the trouble with _that_
(and suffocating, and ashyxiated, and winded) is that it means _deprived_
of oxygen, not just fancying a bit of some gas. So we have
`hungry' (fancying a bit of food') and `starving' (dying for lack of food)
but only `thirsty' (fancying a bit of something to drink - with the
`going thirsty' version, which can mean either a trivial fancy or
a fatal lack, depending on context; you can do the same with `going hungry') -
no one-word equivalent of `starving' in the case of a liquid.

The confusing thing is that a person who is (really) `starving' is no
doubt `hungry' beforehand; there is a continuum - and `starving' was
presumably brought in to reflect an extreme case of hunger (from ME
`sterven', I believe, which just meant `to die'). The continuum is
better served for food than for drink or gas.

Fancy a bit of helium, anyone?

b
993.14breathless ?TUXEDO::D_SHERMANMon Aug 10 1992 11:031
    
993.15suffocating?USCTR1::JDUNNwe are all leaves of grassTue Aug 11 1992 07:241
    suffocating
993.16VALKYR::RUSTWed Aug 12 1992 15:298
    "Burking" is derived from the activities of Burke and Hare, renowned
    body-snatchers who eventually decided that it was too much work to dig
    up dead people when you could get 'em much more easily by converting
    live ones... I don't recall exactly how they did it - something about
    throwing the blankets over their heads and lying on them until they
    quit breathing, I believe.
    
    -b
993.17AUSSIE::WHORLOWBushies do it for FREE!Thu Sep 03 1992 17:2616
    G'day,
    
     After being thirsty, may may become thirsting (as in I am thirsting
    for water), or even parched or just dry.
    
    
    Hypoxia is the cause of all human deaths since Adam....
    
    
    Since humans need Oxygen (preferably for most, at least 20% by volume with
    Nitrogen) , Anoxic sounds pretty right to me.
    
    My 2� worth
    
    derek