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| 961.1 | to get you started | SHALOT::ANDERSON | Proud to be an American? | Fri May 01 1992 06:51 | 8 |
| > What do you linguists know about RP? Where did it get this strange name from?
Received at court.
> Is there a well known person that speaks with RP that we could use as a
> reference point?
Typical BBC announcer?
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| 961.2 | RP and RBP | PAOIS::HILL | Another migrant worker! | Mon May 04 1992 05:28 | 19 |
| From the stage:
Derek Jacobi John Gielgud Judi Dench
BBC:
Any Radio 4 News reader, but not necessarily the reporters!
Robin Day any of the Dimbleby brothers
Barry Took
Other:
The Queen and other members of the Royal family
RP is sometimes referred as RBP, Received British Pronunciation.
Nick
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a member (along Julian Huxley, G.B. Shaw and Kenneth Clarke) of the BBC's
Advisory Committee on Spoken English.
| WHO301::BOWERS | Dave Bowers @WHO | Mon May 04 1992 07:45 | 5 |
| I would expect Alistair Cooke's speech to be fairly close to RP as he was
a member (along with Julian Huxley, G.B. Shaw and Kenneth Clarke) of the
BBC's Advisory Committee on Spoken English.
-dave
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| 961.4 | What exactly does "Received" mean? | COQAU::LOVELL | � l'eau; c'est l'heure | Mon May 04 1992 13:07 | 18 |
| re .1 "received at court"
What exactly does this mean? I presume you mean "court" (a la Hampton
Court or some such), not Bow Street Magistrates variety. I am still
struggling with the concept of "Received". Does it refer to the
pronouncer who has "received" the gift or does it refer to the
listener(s) who has/have "received" the benefit of the speakers well
enunciated speech.
/Chris.
P.S. There is a great difference between Sir Robin Day and
Alistair Cooke - however, I think that I have got the
picture - I would be fascinated though as to how this trait
is formally measured and taught(learned). The Newsnight
documentary mentioned something along the lines of it no
longer being very necessary to "learn" RP to achieve the
ranks of Captain of Industry, etc.
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| 961.5 | 'Received' as in... | PAOIS::HILL | Anything goes, except incest & folk-dance | Tue May 05 1992 03:08 | 5 |
| When you attend Court, at St James, Buckingham Palace or
Westminster, RP will be the language the Monarch expects to
'Receive' your address in.
Nick
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| 961.6 | | SHALOT::ANDERSON | Brown for Messiah | Tue May 05 1992 06:03 | 20 |
| > struggling with the concept of "Received". Does it refer to the
> pronouncer who has "received" the gift or does it refer to the
> listener(s) who has/have "received" the benefit of the speakers well
> enunciated speech.
"Received" is also a synonym for "accepted."
> picture - I would be fascinated though as to how this trait
> is formally measured and taught(learned). The Newsnight
It was originally taught in the English Public schools. At one
time, the children of the aristocracy all had local accents. With
the growth of Eton, Rugby, etc., however, a new, homogenous,
*class* accent emerged (actually not a new accent -- it's
basically the accent of the Southeast).
-- Cliff
P.S. I read something interesting that said that the Royal
Family really do not speak RP.
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| 961.7 | Another somersault | MARVIN::KNOWLES | Caveat vendor | Wed May 06 1992 04:34 | 7 |
| � It was originally taught in the English Public schools. At one
Note: as with `new' meaning `old' (sea the -GRY note), `public' here
means `private'. The Public Schools were originally public in the
sense that anyone could go [as long as they could pay].
b
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| 961.8 | "public" is in the wallet of the consumer. | PASTIS::MONAHAN | humanity is a trojan horse | Wed May 06 1992 07:46 | 10 |
| They are public in exactly the same sense that many museums and art
galleries are public. This is as opposed to a private art collection
where you have to be a friend of the owner. There were private
schools in that sense in those days, to which the children of the owner
and some of his friends were invited. They are unusual now.
As for "public" in the sense of "completely funded by taxes (i.e.
"public" money), well the London museums *used* to be like that, but
free art and culture is normally only found in London in the
Underground stations.
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| 961.9 | I don't speak RP at all! | JURA::PELAZ::MACFADYEN | 1992: what time is lunch? | Wed May 06 1992 09:30 | 12 |
| I would agree that the royal family don't exactly speak RP english; I mean
how can they if they pronounce "house" to rhyme with "mice"? They speak the
extreme variant of upper-class english. I wouldn't say Alistair Cooke speaks
RP now either, he has quite a noticeable American accent; mid-Atlantic at
least.
The modern epitome of RP pronunciation is a Beeb newsreader (although even
there a regional accent is becoming acceptable. And why not.)
Rod
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| 961.10 | | SSDEVO::EGGERS | Anybody can fly with an engine. | Wed May 06 1992 12:47 | 3 |
| >> pronounce "house" to rhyme with "mice"
Uhmm. Maybe I don't know how to pronounce "mice".
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