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| 586.1 | | BMT::BOWERS | Count Zero Interrupt | Fri Nov 18 1988 14:48 | 3 |
| From Jewish Yom Kippur prayer -
"But prayer, repentance and charity avert the severe decree."
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| 586.2 | | KIRKWD::FRIEDMAN | | Fri Nov 18 1988 21:12 | 2 |
| But where does the "patience" part come in?
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| 586.3 | | LAMHRA::WHORLOW | Prussiking up the rope of life! | Sun Nov 20 1988 05:52 | 12 |
| G'day,
You'll have to wait and see....
:-)
djw
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| 586.4 | There but for <secular_placeholder>? | MARVIN::KNOWLES | the teddy-bears have their nit-pick | Thu Nov 24 1988 15:10 | 17 |
| When I was doing research on the Oxford Dictionary of Quotations (3rd
edn) I often came across an expression that had been secularized for a
wider audience and then quoted more widely in its secularized form. The
only example I can think of off hand is "There but for the grace of God
go you or I" which has become much more common in the "There but for
fortune ..." version.
I guess `prayer, repentance and charity' are just less marketable than
patience.
Not surprisingly, if that guess is right, the expression lost a lot of
its meaning in the marketing process. The purveyor of the `severe
decree' is presumably God or Allah or Jahweh or Gaia or whatever you
want to call Him/Her/It. If a severe decree is going to come from some
human power, patience sure as heck won't avert it.
Bob
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| 586.5 | Re .4 | CHEFS::LAWSONM | Finite cann't comprehend Infinite | Thu Nov 24 1988 15:23 | 8 |
| Hi Bob,
Perhaps it will notprevent it, but it allows one to endure.
aa
Mark
BAC
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| 586.6 | On this side of the pond, it's "God" | SSGBPM::KENAH | Lifeblood, weeping from my eyes | Mon Nov 28 1988 16:10 | 7 |
| re .4: Curious -- I've never heard the version "There but for
fortune..." Whenever I've encountered the phrase, it's been
"There but for the grace of God..."
I've also seen it "But for the grace of God..."
andrew
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| 586.7 | | BMT::BOWERS | Count Zero Interrupt | Mon Nov 28 1988 18:50 | 7 |
| > Curious -- I've never heard the version "There but for
fortune..."
Song by Phil Ochs circa 1966.
-dave
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| 586.8 | From a recent B.C. | MARRHQ::MALLONEE | The Appelation Controlee' Trail | Tue Nov 29 1988 22:32 | 16 |
| Early in the day:
"I'll take a crate of makerel."
"And I'll take two crates of cod."
Later that day:
"Goodness! What happened to him?"
"Food poisoning... The makerel was bad!"
"There, but for the crates of cod, go I."
Goffaw, boffle, snik...
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| 586.9 | The real explanation | TKOV51::DIAMOND | This note is illegal tender. | Wed Apr 18 1990 10:48 | 3 |
| Between the time you hit "enter" and the time your next JoyoFlek
appears on the screen, you're often tempted to hit Control-C.
However, patience averts....
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