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Title:The Joy of Lex
Notice:A Notes File even your grammar could love
Moderator:THEBAY::SYSTEM
Created:Fri Feb 28 1986
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1192
Total number of notes:42769

573.0. "Architecturisation ?" by KAOFS::S_BROOK (Here today and here again tomorrow) Fri Oct 21 1988 18:43

    I saw this today in the magazine Computing Canada and nearly had
    a heart attack:
    
    The PC still is architected to be a single user system
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^
                    AAARRRRGGGH !

    Apart from the dubious use of "still", where did the verb "to architect"
    crawl out of the woodwork.  Come to think about it what does, in
    a single word, an architect do ?  To architect is awkward, clumsy
    and potentially confusing.
    
    Thoughts ?
    
    stuart

    
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573.1to architect, or not???TERZA::ZANEfoxglove employeeFri Oct 21 1988 19:3516
   Hey, I work in the Storage Architecture Group.  For a long time, my
   personal name was "Warehouse Designer."
   
   
   I have noticed the proliferation of the use of the word "architecture."
   We now have a Finance Architect, a Storage Sytems Architect, a Database
   Systems Architect.  What next?  Oh, I suppose we'll have a Personnel
   Architecture headed by a Personnel Architect.  Won't it be fun?
   
   Any other "ahcitechs' out there?
   
   
   							Terza
   
   
573.2Was the world architected first?EAGLE1::EGGERSTom,293-5358,VAX&MIPS ArchitectureFri Oct 21 1988 19:5918
    I agree that the verb "to architect" isn't accepted by many, and I do
    try to avoid using it. However it isn't new, I've heard it for at least
    five years; and it does serve a purpose, it describes in a single word
    what an architect does. The author of .0 seems to have latched on to
    the correct meaning in spite of his objections. 
    
    If somebody doesn't know what an architect does, then I agree that the
    verb "architect" is "potentially confusing". So is the noun "architect"
    under those circumstances. Among those I know who understand what an
    architect does, I don't know anybody who finds it confusing.

    Consider the following definition: "architect, verb, 1) To specify a
    style and method of design and construction, 2) To specify an
    architecture." 
    
    It's certainly better than "architecturize". If you have a better word
    to describe what I do for Digital and the VAX architecture, I would be
    very happy to use it.
573.3Have you hugged your architecturologist lately ?KAOFS::S_BROOKHere today and here again tomorrowFri Oct 21 1988 23:2122
    All very well, but consider the following ...
    
       The architect architected a magnificent piece of architecture.
    
    Surely this should be more like
    
       The architect *designed* a magnificent piece of architecture.
    
    What an architect does is DESIGN.

    Of course I know what it means ... and I know to many that is
    sufficient to deem it as valid language ... but that doesn't mean
    I have to like such an abomination and cannot decry its usage.
    Moreover, it doesn't mean that I cannot suggest that it shouldn't
    be used.
    
    Now I suppose someone will back-form a noun to replace the current
    noun for a person who architects ... an architector ? or how about
    an architecturalist ? or an architecturologist even ???  Where does
    it stop ?????
    
    stuart
573.4specificityEAGLE1::EGGERSTom,293-5358,VAX&MIPS ArchitectureSat Oct 22 1988 00:3016
    I humbly beg to disagree.
    
    An architect doesn't necessarily just "design".  For example, I "design
    architecture". There is a very significant difference in the
    specificity. Consider: 
        
    New aquaintence: "What do you do at Digital?"
    Me: "I architect multi-processor VAXes."
    
    This conveys a more specific and different meaning than if I say,
    "I design multi-processor VAXes." That means I design implementations
    of VAX multi-processors rather than the architecture itself. 
    
    I could of course say, "I design the architecture for multi-processor
    VAXes", and that would solve both problems, albeit with more words.
    In fact, that's what I do say.
573.5did you bring a sample of your work? :-)AITG::DERAMODaniel V. {AITG,LISP,ZFC}:: D'EramoSat Oct 22 1988 04:396
    re .3
    
    An "architecturologist" is a doctor who has carried specialization
    to an extreme.
    
    Dan
573.6Architectification - building a mystique about what you really doKAOFS::S_BROOKHere today and here again tomorrowSun Oct 23 1988 16:5320
>    New aquaintence: "What do you do at Digital?"
>    Me: "I architect multi-processor VAXes."

    Does this mean you design the cabinetry for these multi-processor 
    VAXes ?  Sorry if I am being a bit pedantic here, but this is an
    example of where borrowing a term, such as architecture from
    another world and applying it in a subtly different way can result
    in a lot of confusion.
    

>    I could of course say, "I design the architecture for multi-processor
>    VAXes", and that would solve both problems, albeit with more words.
>    In fact, that's what I do say.

    I am glad that you don't architect .... but that you design.  I
    now have a much clearer picture of your job.
    
    Pedantically yours,
    
    stuart
573.7"But what do you actually do?"EAGLE1::EGGERSTom,293-5358,VAX&MIPS ArchitectureSun Oct 23 1988 17:303
    Re: .6
    
    Then perhaps you can explain my job to my mother.
573.8Evil things, computers!KAOFS::S_BROOKHere today and here again tomorrowMon Oct 24 1988 17:3312
    Hmmmmmmmm As a member of a CSC, I should recommend a number of
    excellent courses offered by Digital's Educational Services ....
    
    Did you tell her you architect ... or design computer architecture?
    
    I have a hard enough job explaining computer to my parents.  All
    they hear are excuses for human ineptitude blamed on a computer.
    To them a computer is the root of all evil!  How do you explain
    your job to them when the term computer might as well have only
    4 letters ?
    
    stuart
573.9it's all trueEAGLE1::EGGERSTom,293-5358,VAX&MIPS ArchitectureMon Oct 24 1988 19:483
    Regarding computers IN SOMEBODY ELSE'S HANDS as the root of all evil
    sounds like a perfectly reasonable operating assumption until events
    prove differently. I commend your parents on their perspicacity. 
573.1024 year Old Neologism?DRUMS::FEHSKENSMon Oct 24 1988 22:0710
    "Architecture" as applied to computer systems has been in use since
    1964; Gene Amdahl used the term in a paper in the IBM Journal of
    Research and Development titled "Architecture of the IBM System/360".
    
    The term has a well defined meaning, quite distinct from design,
    among those who practice the art.  Architectures are not "designed".
    
    len (manager of the distributed systems management architecture
    group).
     
573.11EAGLE1::EGGERSTom,293-5358,VAX&MIPS ArchitectureMon Oct 24 1988 22:356
    But didn't Gene Amdahl use the noun form of "architecture", not the
    verb form of "to architect"? This discussion is tied up with the
    verbing of the noun "architect" or "architecture", not with the
    definition of "architecture" itself.
    
    ps: I know *some* architectures are not designed, but others are.
573.12Sorry, No New Verbs Allowed?DRUMS::FEHSKENSTue Oct 25 1988 17:4634
    re .11 re .10 - yes, he didn't "verbify" the noun.  I was sort of
    responding to the sentiment in .6 that "architecture" as a borrowed
    word was confusing and the sense of some other replies that it was
    of recent vintage.
    
    As an architect, to say that I "design" architectures doesn't feel
    right.  The most natural verb for what I do is architect.  An architect
    architects architectures, a designer designs designs (hmm, interesting
    asymmetry there).  Actually, what I do involves "architectural models"
    or "meta-architectures", the things that multiple architectures
    must have in common.  If you think as an architect you have trouble
    explaining to your mother what you do, consider my situation.
    
    In my view, there's a hierarchy of levels of abstraction:
    
    	models or meta-architectures
    	architectures
    	designs
    	implementations
    
    We have no problems talking about modeling, or designing, or
    implementing.  What's the big stink with architecting?  I get the
    impression that for many contributors to this conference, all
    neologisms are bad, that the language as defined at some point in
    the past is sacred and unchangeable, and that old words must be
    applied to new needs no matter how ill-suited they might be.  People
    who seem to value "subtle" distinctions (e.g., infer vs. imply)
    seem unwilling to draw a distinction between design and architecture,
    when those of us practicing these arcane arts know there's an important
    distinction, a difference that can engender some quite unpleasant
    engineering consequences when ignored or misunderstood.
              
    len.
    
573.13My 2p worth (no cents in England!)IOSG::LAWMNormal service will NOT be resumed...Tue Oct 25 1988 18:1318
    
    Does an architect perhaps design frameworks?  (I'm sure someone
    will object to the use of the word `framework', but...)
    
    Why confuse things by creating yet another new word, when words
    already exist to describe a concept?  The trend seems to be to invent
    a word for every occasion, rather than using a little effort to
    find a combination of existing words that mean the same thing.
    
    Of course, if it turns out that there is no other way to describe
    what an architect does, then we'll just have to put up with 
    `architecting'!  Another danger, if this happens, is that `to architect'
    might be too abstract.  A building architect, and a software architect
    will give different views on what `architecting' means.
    
    Mat.
    *:o)
      
573.14As subtle as a pikestaffMARVIN::KNOWLESFri Oct 28 1988 14:3722
    Sorry, this hand-off really gets my goat:
    
    �								People
    � who seem to value "subtle" distinctions (e.g., infer vs. imply)

    [note - I'm not objecting to the whole sentence; I know when I'm
     out of my depth]
    
    There's nothing subtle about the infer/imply distinction.  If A
    implies something (say B), someone taking note of the implication
    may infer B from A.  That's not subtle, but the more people call
    it `subtle' (and the more placidly other people accept the notion) 
    the sooner the distinction will become defunct.

    This isn't relevant to the `architect' discussion.  As I said, I
    know when I'm out of my depth; so I try to stay out of discussions
    that I know I can make no useful contribution to. But I don't
    dismiss them out of hand, as being conducted by "People who seem
    to value `subtle' distinctions (eg, architect vs. design) ...".
    
    b
573.15The Implications of Quoting?DRUMS::FEHSKENSFri Nov 04 1988 00:546
    Did you note the enclosing of 'subtle' in quotes?  Might you not,
    perhaps, have inferred from that that I too do not find this a
    "subtle" distinction?
    
    len.
    
573.16another architectureERICG::ERICGEric GoldsteinSun Jun 18 1989 12:3714
.1>   I have noticed the proliferation of the use of the word "architecture."
.1>   We now have a Finance Architect, a Storage Sytems Architect, a Database
.1>   Systems Architect.  What next?  Oh, I suppose we'll have a Personnel
.1>   Architecture headed by a Personnel Architect.
   

Almost, but not quite.  A few weeks ago, we had a lecture by a visiting
Personnel type.  He didn't mangle the English language any more than most
people in that area do, but one term did catch my attention.

In discussing what his group does, the guy mentioned that they are responsible
for a Reward Systems Architecture.  (Maybe it was Rewards System Architecture;
I can't remember).  So people in Personnel aren't Personnel Architects,
they're Reward Systems Architects.
573.17Arcane technological featureTKOV51::DIAMONDThis note is illegal tender.Fri Apr 13 1990 09:039
    Maybe an architect specifies?
    
    At the macro level, architecture;
    at the mecro level, design;
    at the micro level, coding.
    
    Hm.  At one time, the primary macro characteristic of a building
    was what kind of arches went where, right?  Once upon a time,
    height didn't vary much.
573.18TKOV51::DIAMONDThis note is illegal tender.Fri Apr 13 1990 09:234
    Re .14 and .15
    
    Just how subtle is the difference between "imply" and "infer"?
    Take him a break, eh?
573.19and now, Digital's business architectureERICG::ERICGEric GoldsteinThu May 13 1993 03:5080
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   (Note:  This is the first in a series of articles on Digital's new business
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   Digital is in the midst of radical, irreversible change that's sweeping from
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   Digital has been slow to adapt to the changes that have rocked the
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   Last fall, Digital began reorganizing to reflect this new marketplace. A new
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   For value added solutions, the business units are:
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   -Discrete Manufacturing, led by Frank McCabe 
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