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573.1 | to architect, or not??? | TERZA::ZANE | foxglove employee | Fri Oct 21 1988 19:35 | 16 |
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Hey, I work in the Storage Architecture Group. For a long time, my
personal name was "Warehouse Designer."
I have noticed the proliferation of the use of the word "architecture."
We now have a Finance Architect, a Storage Sytems Architect, a Database
Systems Architect. What next? Oh, I suppose we'll have a Personnel
Architecture headed by a Personnel Architect. Won't it be fun?
Any other "ahcitechs' out there?
Terza
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573.2 | Was the world architected first? | EAGLE1::EGGERS | Tom,293-5358,VAX&MIPS Architecture | Fri Oct 21 1988 19:59 | 18 |
| I agree that the verb "to architect" isn't accepted by many, and I do
try to avoid using it. However it isn't new, I've heard it for at least
five years; and it does serve a purpose, it describes in a single word
what an architect does. The author of .0 seems to have latched on to
the correct meaning in spite of his objections.
If somebody doesn't know what an architect does, then I agree that the
verb "architect" is "potentially confusing". So is the noun "architect"
under those circumstances. Among those I know who understand what an
architect does, I don't know anybody who finds it confusing.
Consider the following definition: "architect, verb, 1) To specify a
style and method of design and construction, 2) To specify an
architecture."
It's certainly better than "architecturize". If you have a better word
to describe what I do for Digital and the VAX architecture, I would be
very happy to use it.
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573.3 | Have you hugged your architecturologist lately ? | KAOFS::S_BROOK | Here today and here again tomorrow | Fri Oct 21 1988 23:21 | 22 |
| All very well, but consider the following ...
The architect architected a magnificent piece of architecture.
Surely this should be more like
The architect *designed* a magnificent piece of architecture.
What an architect does is DESIGN.
Of course I know what it means ... and I know to many that is
sufficient to deem it as valid language ... but that doesn't mean
I have to like such an abomination and cannot decry its usage.
Moreover, it doesn't mean that I cannot suggest that it shouldn't
be used.
Now I suppose someone will back-form a noun to replace the current
noun for a person who architects ... an architector ? or how about
an architecturalist ? or an architecturologist even ??? Where does
it stop ?????
stuart
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573.4 | specificity | EAGLE1::EGGERS | Tom,293-5358,VAX&MIPS Architecture | Sat Oct 22 1988 00:30 | 16 |
| I humbly beg to disagree.
An architect doesn't necessarily just "design". For example, I "design
architecture". There is a very significant difference in the
specificity. Consider:
New aquaintence: "What do you do at Digital?"
Me: "I architect multi-processor VAXes."
This conveys a more specific and different meaning than if I say,
"I design multi-processor VAXes." That means I design implementations
of VAX multi-processors rather than the architecture itself.
I could of course say, "I design the architecture for multi-processor
VAXes", and that would solve both problems, albeit with more words.
In fact, that's what I do say.
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573.5 | did you bring a sample of your work? :-) | AITG::DERAMO | Daniel V. {AITG,LISP,ZFC}:: D'Eramo | Sat Oct 22 1988 04:39 | 6 |
| re .3
An "architecturologist" is a doctor who has carried specialization
to an extreme.
Dan
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573.6 | Architectification - building a mystique about what you really do | KAOFS::S_BROOK | Here today and here again tomorrow | Sun Oct 23 1988 16:53 | 20 |
| > New aquaintence: "What do you do at Digital?"
> Me: "I architect multi-processor VAXes."
Does this mean you design the cabinetry for these multi-processor
VAXes ? Sorry if I am being a bit pedantic here, but this is an
example of where borrowing a term, such as architecture from
another world and applying it in a subtly different way can result
in a lot of confusion.
> I could of course say, "I design the architecture for multi-processor
> VAXes", and that would solve both problems, albeit with more words.
> In fact, that's what I do say.
I am glad that you don't architect .... but that you design. I
now have a much clearer picture of your job.
Pedantically yours,
stuart
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573.7 | "But what do you actually do?" | EAGLE1::EGGERS | Tom,293-5358,VAX&MIPS Architecture | Sun Oct 23 1988 17:30 | 3 |
| Re: .6
Then perhaps you can explain my job to my mother.
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573.8 | Evil things, computers! | KAOFS::S_BROOK | Here today and here again tomorrow | Mon Oct 24 1988 17:33 | 12 |
| Hmmmmmmmm As a member of a CSC, I should recommend a number of
excellent courses offered by Digital's Educational Services ....
Did you tell her you architect ... or design computer architecture?
I have a hard enough job explaining computer to my parents. All
they hear are excuses for human ineptitude blamed on a computer.
To them a computer is the root of all evil! How do you explain
your job to them when the term computer might as well have only
4 letters ?
stuart
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573.9 | it's all true | EAGLE1::EGGERS | Tom,293-5358,VAX&MIPS Architecture | Mon Oct 24 1988 19:48 | 3 |
| Regarding computers IN SOMEBODY ELSE'S HANDS as the root of all evil
sounds like a perfectly reasonable operating assumption until events
prove differently. I commend your parents on their perspicacity.
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573.10 | 24 year Old Neologism? | DRUMS::FEHSKENS | | Mon Oct 24 1988 22:07 | 10 |
| "Architecture" as applied to computer systems has been in use since
1964; Gene Amdahl used the term in a paper in the IBM Journal of
Research and Development titled "Architecture of the IBM System/360".
The term has a well defined meaning, quite distinct from design,
among those who practice the art. Architectures are not "designed".
len (manager of the distributed systems management architecture
group).
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573.11 | | EAGLE1::EGGERS | Tom,293-5358,VAX&MIPS Architecture | Mon Oct 24 1988 22:35 | 6 |
| But didn't Gene Amdahl use the noun form of "architecture", not the
verb form of "to architect"? This discussion is tied up with the
verbing of the noun "architect" or "architecture", not with the
definition of "architecture" itself.
ps: I know *some* architectures are not designed, but others are.
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573.12 | Sorry, No New Verbs Allowed? | DRUMS::FEHSKENS | | Tue Oct 25 1988 17:46 | 34 |
| re .11 re .10 - yes, he didn't "verbify" the noun. I was sort of
responding to the sentiment in .6 that "architecture" as a borrowed
word was confusing and the sense of some other replies that it was
of recent vintage.
As an architect, to say that I "design" architectures doesn't feel
right. The most natural verb for what I do is architect. An architect
architects architectures, a designer designs designs (hmm, interesting
asymmetry there). Actually, what I do involves "architectural models"
or "meta-architectures", the things that multiple architectures
must have in common. If you think as an architect you have trouble
explaining to your mother what you do, consider my situation.
In my view, there's a hierarchy of levels of abstraction:
models or meta-architectures
architectures
designs
implementations
We have no problems talking about modeling, or designing, or
implementing. What's the big stink with architecting? I get the
impression that for many contributors to this conference, all
neologisms are bad, that the language as defined at some point in
the past is sacred and unchangeable, and that old words must be
applied to new needs no matter how ill-suited they might be. People
who seem to value "subtle" distinctions (e.g., infer vs. imply)
seem unwilling to draw a distinction between design and architecture,
when those of us practicing these arcane arts know there's an important
distinction, a difference that can engender some quite unpleasant
engineering consequences when ignored or misunderstood.
len.
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573.13 | My 2p worth (no cents in England!) | IOSG::LAWM | Normal service will NOT be resumed... | Tue Oct 25 1988 18:13 | 18 |
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Does an architect perhaps design frameworks? (I'm sure someone
will object to the use of the word `framework', but...)
Why confuse things by creating yet another new word, when words
already exist to describe a concept? The trend seems to be to invent
a word for every occasion, rather than using a little effort to
find a combination of existing words that mean the same thing.
Of course, if it turns out that there is no other way to describe
what an architect does, then we'll just have to put up with
`architecting'! Another danger, if this happens, is that `to architect'
might be too abstract. A building architect, and a software architect
will give different views on what `architecting' means.
Mat.
*:o)
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573.14 | As subtle as a pikestaff | MARVIN::KNOWLES | | Fri Oct 28 1988 14:37 | 22 |
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Sorry, this hand-off really gets my goat:
� People
� who seem to value "subtle" distinctions (e.g., infer vs. imply)
[note - I'm not objecting to the whole sentence; I know when I'm
out of my depth]
There's nothing subtle about the infer/imply distinction. If A
implies something (say B), someone taking note of the implication
may infer B from A. That's not subtle, but the more people call
it `subtle' (and the more placidly other people accept the notion)
the sooner the distinction will become defunct.
This isn't relevant to the `architect' discussion. As I said, I
know when I'm out of my depth; so I try to stay out of discussions
that I know I can make no useful contribution to. But I don't
dismiss them out of hand, as being conducted by "People who seem
to value `subtle' distinctions (eg, architect vs. design) ...".
b
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573.15 | The Implications of Quoting? | DRUMS::FEHSKENS | | Fri Nov 04 1988 00:54 | 6 |
| Did you note the enclosing of 'subtle' in quotes? Might you not,
perhaps, have inferred from that that I too do not find this a
"subtle" distinction?
len.
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573.16 | another architecture | ERICG::ERICG | Eric Goldstein | Sun Jun 18 1989 12:37 | 14 |
| .1> I have noticed the proliferation of the use of the word "architecture."
.1> We now have a Finance Architect, a Storage Sytems Architect, a Database
.1> Systems Architect. What next? Oh, I suppose we'll have a Personnel
.1> Architecture headed by a Personnel Architect.
Almost, but not quite. A few weeks ago, we had a lecture by a visiting
Personnel type. He didn't mangle the English language any more than most
people in that area do, but one term did catch my attention.
In discussing what his group does, the guy mentioned that they are responsible
for a Reward Systems Architecture. (Maybe it was Rewards System Architecture;
I can't remember). So people in Personnel aren't Personnel Architects,
they're Reward Systems Architects.
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573.17 | Arcane technological feature | TKOV51::DIAMOND | This note is illegal tender. | Fri Apr 13 1990 09:03 | 9 |
| Maybe an architect specifies?
At the macro level, architecture;
at the mecro level, design;
at the micro level, coding.
Hm. At one time, the primary macro characteristic of a building
was what kind of arches went where, right? Once upon a time,
height didn't vary much.
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573.18 | | TKOV51::DIAMOND | This note is illegal tender. | Fri Apr 13 1990 09:23 | 4 |
| Re .14 and .15
Just how subtle is the difference between "imply" and "infer"?
Take him a break, eh?
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573.19 | and now, Digital's business architecture | ERICG::ERICG | Eric Goldstein | Thu May 13 1993 03:50 | 80 |
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