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     .
     My humble suggestion:
     
     Translate 14-AUG-1988 09:55 (base note of 396.0 plus
     one year) into all the world's timezones, so that at
     that precise instant we can all add a reply, causing
     the greatest word association-football collision of
     all time.
     
     And Bonnie, I nominate you to be the one selected in
     advance to tie all of those loose ends together!
     
     Dan
     
     P.S.  By rereading 396.0 I finally figured out why someone
     kept noting when the word "box" was used!
     
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Note 396.0                  Word association-football               3953 replies
ESDV00::SOBOT "Beware of the parrot !"               16 lines  14-AUG-1987 09:55
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			< first word - BOX >
    
        Rules:	Anyone can play.
    
    		You can reply as often as you like.
    
    		Put one word in the title of your reply that you associate
    		with the title of the previous reply.
    
    		Add explanation, comments, suggestions etc. in the body
    		of your reply if you want.
        	
    		I just felt like doing something crazy on this Friday !
    
    
    		Cheers,						Steve
     

	Before the Word-Association Football was invented by 
    	Steve Sobot (may his glory last forever), some of us
    	had proposed the game of Word-UNassociation in note 374
    	(see below), in other words the research of perfect 
    	heteronyms.
    
    	It had very little success. Too difficult probably :) 
    
    		roger
    
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Note 374.13                        Heteronyms                           13 of 18
YIPPEE::LIRON                                        17 lines   9-JUL-1987 06:25
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    I thought that heteronyms were words which differ in spelling,
    and pronunciation, and meaning, and basically have nothing
    to do with each other.
    
    To find examples of such pairs is not an easy task. One
    could offer:
    
    	Flamingo 	and 	station-wagon
    	I 		and 	antidisestablishmentarianism
    	Marks 		and 	Spencer
    
     but then how can you be absolutely certain they really 
     *never* met before ?
    
     	roger
         
     

>    what do do about note 396...moderator input not only

     Shoot it and put it out of our misery...

     (1/2 :-) )

     ---Phil

re .-1:

I agre with Phil.  At least Word Association Football has taught a lot of us 
how to use the "Next Unseen"key.

Larry

>  I agre with Phil.  At least Word Association Football has taught a lot of us 
>  how to use the "Next Unseen"key.

Too true.  It's especially sad when access to the file is slow and it 
turns out that all unseen notes are WAF.  How about celebrating the 
birthday by giving it its own file?
					>>>==>PStJTT

     re .5
     
>>     How about celebrating the birthday by giving it its
>>     own file?
     
     Hmmm.  So that PSTJTT::WORD-ASSOCIATION_FOOTBALL could
     soon hold the record for the most replies and the fewest
     topics (as there would never be any need to leave 1.*).
     
     Dan

    FWIW I gave up contributing to WAF after about the first month,
    and started using NEXT UNSEEN shortly thereafter.  Some things DO
    get stale after a while.
    
    Now, would anyone care to analyze the number of people-hours involved
    in just reading that note, let alone the hours of mental effort
    required to think up some of the more clever replies?  The extensive
    disk space is cheap in comparison!
    
    I vote to at least have the note write-locked if not deleted altogether.

    I gave up somewhere around reply 2000, mostly because I was
    away from the file for a while, and didn't want to have to
    catch up with 300 more replies (the same reason I quit Soapbox
    at least three times :-)).
    
    On the other hand, it *must* have the record for having the
    most replies of any topic in any conference. that ought to
    account for something.
    
    --- jerry

    I don't usually bother reading 300 skipped replies -- I just skip
    ahead to about the last 10 and read those.  I figure it doesn't
    matter how we got there, as long as we're there . . . 
    
    --bonnie

    I felt obliged to read them only to keep from repeating some-
    thing in an earlier reply.
    
    --- jerry

    who on earth cares about repeats! like Bonnie I only read the
    last 10-15 when I have missed a lot of answers..
    
    Bonnie

>                                   -< huh? >-
>
>    who on earth cares about repeats! like Bonnie I only read the
>    last 10-15 when I have missed a lot of answers..
>    
>    Bonnie

Like PStJTT, I get confused by this sort of thing.
						>>>==>PStJTT

    um, pstjtt, there *are* two Bonnies writing in this note me and
    Bonnie RS
    
    

    I'm the lowercase bonnie with the dirty mouth and the degree
    in late medieval/early renaissance drama.
    
    She's the uppercase Bonnie with the generous intelligent way
    of putting things and the degree in biology.
    
    --bonnie

    Re: .14
    
>   I'm the lowercase bonnie with the dirty mouth and the degree
>   in late medieval/early renaissance drama.
>    
>   She's the uppercase Bonnie with the generous intelligent way
>   of putting things and the degree in biology.
    
    Which of you is the Bonnie that lies over the ocean?

    
    Back on the topic...
    
    The thing is just too cumbersome for most people to stop and read.
    I hope for their own sakes that no one here runs a batch job to
    extract and print unseen in JOYOFLEX...  It's probably time to give
    it a rest.  But who says another word association note won't be
    started?
    
    On the other hand, August 14, 1987 is the day I got married!  So
    of course it should go on forever!  (No, really, lock the note.
    I don't have 4000 children;, in fact, I have none.)
    
    Brian W.

    Re .15:
    
    >Which of you is the Bonnie that lies over the ocean?
    
    Neither Bonnie lies, asea or ashore.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.

    
    Actually, the uppercased Bonnie must lie over the ocean - isn't
    she the bigger Bonnie?

        
    ( I think there is a good word play here on BonAmi but I will resist
      strongly. Only to say that Bon Ami or BonAmi is/was? a trade name
      for a type of cleanser and there was a cute BonAmi girl that was
      pictured on the box. )
    jc
    

    Re: .18
    
    >  Only to say that Bon Ami or BonAmi is/was? a trade name
    >  for a type of cleanser and there was a cute BonAmi girl that was
    >  pictured on the box. 
    
    If my memory is correct, BonAmi cleanser used a picture of a chicken
    just hatched from its shell and the line, "Hasn't scratched yet."
    
    I don't recall a "cute Bon Ami girl".   (Maybe the creature with
    no face on the Dutch Cleaser container???)

       
   re -.1 
    
        These things happen. I guess that I have overwritten the memory
    of Bon Ami, Comet, and all the other cleansers with something
    more important. Exactly what is hard to tell. 
    Thanks for the correction. 
    jc
    p.s. Dutch cleanser and Bon Ami and the two Bonnies. Sounds like
         the makings for word association football.

    Neither Bonnie lies over the ocean.
    
    They are both very good about always telling the truth.
    
    --- jerry

    Re .21 (Jerry):
    
    Se .17.
    
    Re "Bon Ami, etc.:
    
    Bon Ami did indeed have a freshly hatched chick.
    
    Some call a cute girl a chick, ergo ...
    
    The "little girl on the cover" is probably from Morton's Salt ("When
    it rains, it pours."), which shows a little girl in a rain shower
    under an umbrella with a package of Morton's Salt inder one arm
    so positioned so that (though the child doesn't know it) it's spilling
    salt.  Actually, the little girl on the Morton's package has changed
    from time to time; the latest incarnation has something approximating
    a miniskirt.
    
    Another "girl on the package" is the one on the Sun Maid Raisins
    box.  That one was a real young woman, shown holding a tray of raidins
    in a grapefield.  The model for the Sun Maid box passed away about
    a year ago, and was in her 80s.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.

Actually, I knew there were two Bonnae in the file.  I was just amused 
at the note.  It reminded me of a friend named Norman, who often 
says/writes things like "I was talking to Norman the other day, and we 
wondered why we never write to you any more." or "Norman wants me to
remember to tell you that...."  Where both the noun and the pronoun are
the same person. 

>                          ...with a package of Morton's Salt inder one arm
>    so positioned so that (though the child doesn't know it) it's spilling
>    salt.  

Oh Steve, you are so gullable.  The kid's been spilling salt for a 
hunnert years or more, and you think she doesn't know it?  You've never 
sent a kid that age to the store, that's for certain.

					>>>==>PStJTT

    
    All this talk about Bonnie lying over the ocean reminds me of a
    song my mother used to sing to us kids when we were but wee tots.
    ( Excuse me mom if I get the words wrong ).  
    
    
                      My body has tuberculosis  
                      My body has one broken lung
                      My body has tuberculosis
                      Oh bring back my body to me.
                      Breathe in
                      Breathe out...  (etc.)

    Re .24:
    
    >                  My body has tuberculosis  
    >                  My body has one broken lung
    >                  My body has tuberculosis
    >                  Oh bring back my body to me.
    >                  Breathe in
    >                  Breathe out...  (etc.)
     
    The usual words are behind the formfeed, as they're a little gross,
    though not terribly.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.
    
    			My Bonnie's got tuberculosis
    			My Bonnie's got one rotten lung.
    			She spits out her bloody corruptions
    			And rolls them around on her tongue.
    
    We never had a chorus added.
    
    This song was "sung," more or less, by the girl star in the film
    _Honky-Tonk Man_, starring Clint Eastwood as a consumptive country-
    western composer and singer during the depression.  One of his more
    interesting performances.  At the time, the girl had no idea the
    lead character _had_ tuberculosis.
    
    SK

    
    I am amazed at the ability of the contributors of this notesfile
    to stick with the topic at hand. Ner' straying from the main theme,
    holding fast to the central idea; not redundant nor repetitious.
    
    But, back to the real question. Celebration of the birth? or the
    continuation of Note 3xx ? What will we do? What will we do?
    jc
    p.s. If the two Bonnies noticed that they were next in line for
         note .4000, do they work together? And do they mean to say
         that together they couldn't produce a football 'play'? :-)
     

    actually I am the smaller Bonnie even if I am the upper case
    Bonnie. I'm not sure but I think that bonnie started signing
    her name lower case as a way to distinguish between the different
    Bonnie's in the file..there were a total of three in two other
    files that we write in. I once started signing my name Bonnie Jeanne
    for the same reason.
    
    and the various versions of "my Bonnie" remind me of why I never
    liked that song much... :-}
    
    as to laying or reclining rather than pervaricating over the ocean,
    for those of you in Australia or England we are both 'over the
    ocean' :-) :-)
    
    Finally as to our both noticing that things had gotten to .3999
    - I called bonnie up on the phone and told her that waf had gotten
    that high and I couldn't think of an appropriate response..she
    couldn't either and we both guessed that Steve Kallis would be the
    one to come up with a good answer.
    
    Bonnie

    I've been signing my mail and such --bonnie since I first started
    at DEC in 1980.  No particular reason, it just looked sort of
    kinky and progressive without the capital letter.   Not to mention
    being easier to type.

    I never lie, over the ocean or otherwise.  But laying . . .
            
    --bonnie

    Re .28 (bonnie):
    
    >I never lie, over the ocean or otherwise.  But laying . . .
    
    ... I presume you leave to hens. ;-)
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.

    Why, of course!  What else would I have meant?
    
    --bonnie

    --bonnie,
    
    those of us who know you well know *exactly* what you meant!
    
    :-)
    
    Bonnie

    Re .31 (Bonnie):
    
    "Laying" may be done by hens,
    But "laying" has another sens[e].
    Compose a songlike poem, then
    A "lay" will come forth from your pen.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.

    "Belay there!" Cap'n John did cry
    As comely Kate he did espy
    "The spire's aspiring not belie 
    To thee belaying bye and bye." 

    Lay off
    
    John J

    Re .34 (John Jay):
    
    Lay on, Macduff!  And curst be he who first cries out "enough!"
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.

    Enough!
    
    
    (Er.... I mean this discussion. The foodball game just starts to
    get a reasonable size...^-))
    
    
    No no! Don't curse me!
    
    Arie

    Must be time to open up a new note:
    
     "Thoughts on note 542"

                                              :-) HH
    

    Re .34:
    
>   Lay on, Macduff!  And curst be he who first cries out "enough!"

    I don't have a copy of Macbeth with me in the office, but my recollection
    is that the line ends:    ....... who first cries _hold_, "enough!"
    
    Jim Hughes

    re .37:
    
    NO!  Not because it upsets my tidy mind, but because I HATE recursion!
    (the computer kind).  Never could fully understand it.
                                                     
    Which brings to mind what we used to say in a programming course
    I took at school: "Recursion sucks, repeatedly!!"

    Re .38 (Jim):
    
    > ... the line ends:    ....... who first cries _hold_, "enough!"
            
    Correct.  But given the double entendres that had gone on before,
    I thought I'd Bowdlerize it.  ;-)
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.

    re: .39
    
    The way I heard it, you want to avoid recursion because it
    always comes back on you.
    
    --bonnie

    One curse is bad enough, but recursion.......

    Re .41
    
    Like spitting against the wind .
    
    Or urinating uphill .
    
    Or mast..... whoops !
    
    John J

    
    
    
    Will all these notes become footballs? 
    Will JOYOFLEX become JOYOFWAFfing? And if so (facto) will there
    be Ronco Deluxe Waffing irons to prepare the panache?

    Just wondering....
    jc
    p.s Tonawanda would have been a lot easier to deal with... Ah, but
        that's another note. 
          

         Re: .45
    
>       p.s Tonawanda would have been a lot easier to deal with... Ah, but
>       that's another note. 

        What note has to do with Tonawanda ?  Does it have something
        to do with Cheektowaga ?
    
    
        - Paul Mazur
    
    

    
    Yes, most certainly. "Buffalo" ( the city with the longest Main
    street?) is the note. Would Elmira be easier? Rochester? Corning?
    Oneida?
    :-)
    cheers and beers - And thank ( enter supreme being of choice here )
    that today is Friday!
    jc      

    	Since .0 was encouraging moderator replies .....
    
    	A few years ago there was competition in the notes file for
    notes files for "the most .... note/file" and I was thinking of
    reviving that, with nominations for 396 as probably "most replies",
    probably "longest time active reply string", and probably several
    other categories.
    
    	Disk space is not a problem at the moment.

>    reviving that, with nominations for 396 as probably "most replies",
>    probably "longest time active reply string", and probably several
>    other categories.

And probably "longest time before moderator came in action" :-)

Arie

    Also 396 would make the least sense.... can you imagine some guys
    in fur caps with earphones on, huddled over the ethernetski trying
    to fathom what this is all about?
    						.............Guy      
    

    I note that we passed WAF's first anniversary on August 14 with 4360
    replies.  At that rate, we will have 10,000 replies sometime around
    Thanksgiving 1989.
    
    Clay

    G'day,
    
    Perhaps we should stop then and alll non Waf'ers  can have a _real_
    thanksgiving :-)
    
    djw
    

    or maybe  all those who are going to Idecus or Decworld can
    ferret out our moderator and introduct themselves to him
    in Valbonne.
    
    Bonnie

    	I will be full time in Cannes, hiding behind a large pair of
    dark glasses and worrying about information security. I am told
    that 6 of the core members of the CCC have already announced that
    they will be attending European DECUS.
    
    	Incidentally (and almost back to the topic) I checked disk space
    a few minutes ago, and WAF is not currently in danger. Deleting
    the whole of Joyoflex would only increase our free disk space by
    about 5%.
    
    	It would certainly be interesting to put faces to many of your
    names. I shall be glad to see you.