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Conference thebay::joyoflex

Title:The Joy of Lex
Notice:A Notes File even your grammar could love
Moderator:THEBAY::SYSTEM
Created:Fri Feb 28 1986
Last Modified:Mon Jun 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1192
Total number of notes:42769

512.0. "Daddy, where does Santa come from?" by GOLD::OPPELT (If they can't take a joke, screw 'em!) Thu Apr 28 1988 21:31

    
    	What is the origin of the name "Santa Claus"?  I have always
    	believed that it evolved from "Saint Nicholas".  Recently I
    	was doing a crossword puzzle, and one clue was "of Old Nick".
    	The word turned out to be "satanic".  I recall coming across
    	that once before in a crossword puzzle many puzzles ago.  Could
    	there be any relationship?  Could "Santa" be an anagram for
    	"satan"?
    
    	Merry Christams.  Only 241 shopping days left...
    
    	Joe Oppelt
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512.1doubtfulMARKER::KALLISloose ships slip slips.Thu Apr 28 1988 21:577
    Re .0 (Joe):
    
    Probably not.  There were a few steps between St. Nicholas and Santa
    Claus.  Relying on my somewhat rusty memory, I believe an intermediate
    form was "Sinter Klaus," from the Dutch.
    
    Steven Kallis, Jr.
512.2agreedDANUBE::B_REINKEwhere the sidewalk endsFri Apr 29 1988 04:268
    My memory of the origin of Santa Claus jibes with what Steve wrote.
    (and given his errudation...I am only entering this as a second
    source as it were..in the tradition of journalism). As I recall
    it the derivation came form the English misprounciation of the
    Dutch/German.
    
    Bonnie
    
512.3Old Nick's originFDCV06::BEAIRSTOAnyone got a cute saying?Fri Apr 29 1988 16:0418
    < Note 512.0 by GOLD::OPPELT "If they can't take a joke, screw 'em!" >
                    -< Daddy, where does Santa come from? >-

    
       >                                                 Recently I
       >was doing a crossword puzzle, and one clue was "of Old Nick".
       >The word turned out to be "satanic".                       
        
    The Nick who gave his name to Satan was Niccolo Machiavelli, whose
    books evidently convinced people that he was quite a baddie himself.
    
    Now, does anyone know why the Devil is also called 'Scratch'?
    
    Rob
    
    P.S. Actually, Satan is an anagram of 'an AST': powerful, but
    infinitely teacherous :-)

512.4NEARLY::GOODENOUGHJeff Goodenough, IPG Reading UKMon May 09 1988 15:5210
    Re: .1
    
    > I believe an intermediate form was "Sinter Klaus," from the Dutch.

    Still is.  Sint Nicolaas -> Sinter Klaas -> Santa Claus
    
    I think the German is Sint Niklaus - maybe a more direct source
    of the corruption.
    
    Jeff.
512.5German originsMUDIS3::JONESINSFUSRIQ Insufficient User IQWed May 25 1988 19:047
    It does come from the German "Sankt Nikolaus". Prince Albert, a
    German and Queen Victoria's husband, introduced it into Britain
    in the last century. Also the tradition of christmas trees in the
    front room etc.
    The name became anglicised, much the same as the 'Battenberg' family
    became the 'Mountbatten' etc.
    Mitch (British living in Munich, West Germany)