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    Billable i.e. invoiceable.
    

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             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    
    Sorry , but I have to sign my cheques with something .
    
    John J
    
    
    

Would the list of words that you can add "able" to be the list of 
ableable words?  Would the process of adding "able" be ableution, or 
enableing?
					>>>==>PStJTT

    This miserable topic should be disabled...

   re: .7  Sounds doable to me.  The topic is almost unbearable as it is.
	   Note-able-y a good idea.

   -- Samable

    
    Ableably a palatable executable honourably rewardable and hopefully
    
    forthcomeable .
    
    
    John J
    
    

    The word "able" itself is actually the "null word" with the
    suffix "-able" attached.
    
    [The preceding remark is smileyfaceable :^)]
             ^
             that's how it's spelled I looked it up

    I'm somewhat amenable to making unprintable comments;
    however, I am also capable of restraint, since printing them
    is obviously undesirable.
    
    Able was I ere I saw elbA,
    >M

    A teacher of English as a Foreign Language once told me that there
    was a Rule that helped people who didn't know whether to spell
    the suffix -able or -ible: `if the word can have the suffix removed
    and still be a verb in its own right, spell -able'.  This doesn't
    work for `capable' (if the remnant verb has to be relevant), and
    I wouldn't be surprised if there were loads of other exceptions.
    But it might explain why computer people (for many of whom English
    is a second language) keep coining words like `bootable', `callable'
    and so on: one could easily misinterpret the `rule' as `any old
    verb is ableable'.
    
    Well, it's possable.
    
    b

    Highly probible !
    
    John J
    

    How despicible these notes are...
    
    >M

    
    Fudge-Packable?

    
        I am unable to lable (label) this note as understandable.
    

   Your reprehensable inablety to enable the situation to become
   reconcilable makes you utterly liable for libel.
   
   :^)
   
   

Here is a kit for installing the complete set of English words ending in
"able".  To install, append "able" onto each of the following word-starters:

abdic abolish abomin  abrad  absorb  abstract  abus  accept  accomplish  account
accredit  accru  achiev  acknowledge  acquir act action adapt add address adjust
administr admir adopt ador adsorb advis aff affect  affirm  affix  afford  agree
alien alloc allocat allow alter amen amend amerci ami amic amortiz analyz answer
anticipat appeal appeas applaud  applic  appreci  approach  appropri  approv  ar
arbitr  argu articul ascend ascertain ascrib assail assess assign assimil associ
assum attach attain attempt attract attribut audit augment automat  avail  avoid
award  bail  bank  bear believ bidd biodegrad blam bleach bond break breath brib
bridge burn c calcul call  camouflage  cancel  cancell  cap  cash  catch  censur
certifi  change  charge  charit  check  chelat cherish chew circulat cit civiliz
claim classifi clean clear climb clos close club clubb coagul cod  cogit  cogniz
collect  color  combin comfort command commend commensur committ communic commut
companion compar compass compell  compens  compound  comput  computeriz  conceal
conceiv  condemn  condens  condition  condon  conferr  confess  confirm  confisc
confiscat conform connect conscion consider consign const constru consum contain
contest  contradict contrast controll convers correct correlat count cover covet
credit criticiz cross crush crystalliz culp cultiv  cultivat  cur  cutt  d  damn
dance  dat  date  debat  decasyll  deceiv  decid decipher declar declin decompos
defend deferr defin defray degrad delect deleg deliver demand  demonstr  demount
deni  denumer  depend  deplet  deplor  deploy deport depreci deriv describ desir
despic  detach  detect  determin  deterr  detest  deton  detonat  develop  devis
devitrifi  diagnos diagnose diagonaliz diagramm dialyz differenti dilat diminish
dimm dipp dis disagree disassembl disavow discard  discern  discharge  disciplin
discomfort discommend disconform discourage discover discredit discrimin discuss
dishonor  dislik  dislike  dispens  displace  dispos  disprov  disput   disreput
disrespect dissoci dissolv dissyll distinguish distrain disyll divid do document
doubt draft dramatiz drap drape draw drill drink driv drive dry dubit  dur  duti
dye  eat  edit  educ  efface  eject  elect embarrass emboss embrace emend employ
emulsifi en endors endur enforce enjoy enlarge  enter  enumer  enunci  envi  equ
equiprob  equit  eradic  eras erect escap escheat establish estim evad evit evoc
evolv exact examin exception exchange excis  excit  exclud  excus  execr  execut
exercis  expand  expect  expell expend expi explain explic exploit export extend
extinguish extract extradit extric extrud f factor fashion  fathom  fatig  favor
fell  ferment  fertiliz  filter filtr fish fission fix flamm fly focus fold ford
foresee forfeit forge forgett forgive form formaliz Page 2 formid fram frame fri
g  gauge  gel gener generaliz getat glean govern grad grant graphitiz grasp graz
graze group guid gull habit handle hang harvest  hatch  heat  hendecasyll  herit
honor  honour  hospit  hugg  humm  hydrolyz hyperirrit hypnotiz i identifi ignit
ignor illaud illimit illumin imagin imit immeasur immedic immensur immitig immov
immunoassay  immut  impalp  impart  impass  impeach  impecc  impenetr  imperceiv
imperish imperme imperturb implac  implant  imponder  import  impractic  impregn
impression  imprison improb improv impugn imput inadvis inalien inalter inappeas
inapplic inappreci inapproach inargu incalcul incap  inclin  includ  incommensur
incommunic  incommut  incompar  incomput inconceiv incondens inconsider inconsol
inconsum incontest incontroll incorpor increas  inculp  incun  incur  indecipher
indeclin  indecompos  indefatig  indefin  indemonstr indescrib indetermin indict
indisciplin  indiscover  indispens  indisput  indissoci  indistinguish   indomit
indubit  ineduc  ineff inefface ineluct inenarr inequit ineradic inescap inestim
inevit inexcus inexor inexpi inexplain inexplic inexpugn  inextinguish  inextric
infer  inflamm  inflat  inhabit  inherit  inhospit  inimit inject innumer inoper
insati inscrut insepar insoci  insolv  inst  insuffer  insuper  insupport  insur
insurmount  integr  interchange intermin interpret intoler intract intuit invalu
invari invest invi inviol invulner ioniz irradic irreclaim irreconcil  irrecover
irrecus  irredeem  irreform  irrefrag  irrefut  irreme  irremedi irremov irrepar
irrepeal irreplace irreproach irresolv irrespir  irretriev  irrevoc  irrit  isol
isolat issu jettison join justici justifi kiss knead know knowledge label lament
laud laugh leach learn levi li licens  lift  lik  like  limit  lineariz  liquefi
listen  litig liv live loan locat lock los lov love machin machine magnetiz mail
maintain mak make malle manage maneuver manipul manipulat mapp  market  marriage
mask  match measur mechaniz medic medicin melt memor memoriz mend mensur mention
merchant metast microfilm min  mine  mineraliz  miser  mistak  mix  modifi  mold
monosyll  mount mov move multipli multiplic mut nam name navig negoti nonenforce
nonflamm nonrefund nonreturn nonsediment nonvi normaliz not notice number  numer
objection  observ  obtain  octosyll  open  oper oppos organiz oxidiz pacifi pack
palat palp par paraphras pardon pass patent pay peace pecc peel  penetr  pension
perceiv  perdur  perform perish perme person persuad perturb photolyz piti pivot
plac place plant play plead pleasur pli plow  plunder  polariz  polysyll  ponder
port  postpon  pot  pour  practic  precipit  predic predict prefer pregn present
preserv presett presum prevent print prob process procur profit programm project
promot  pronounce  propag propiti proportion Page 3 prosecut prov publish pulver
pulveriz punish purchas pyrolyz qualifi quantifi quarantin quench question  quot
rat  rate  reach read realiz reason rebutt recall recapp receiv recharge reclaim
reclos recogniz recommend reconcil record recoup recover recreat rectifi  recycl
redeem  rediscount redoubt reel refer refill reform refund refut regener registr
regrett rehydrat reimburs reinforce  relat  releas  reli  reliev  relish  remark
remedi  remember  remitt  remov  render  renegoti  renew rent repair repar repay
repeal repeat replace replevi report represent  reproach  reput  resal  research
resect  resett  resist resolv respect respir restart restor restrain ret retract
retrain retriev return reus reveal revis reviv revoc  revok  revolv  reward  rid
ride rotat s sail sal sale salv salvage saponifi sati satisfi satur sav save say
scal scann screen scrut search season see sell  sembl  semiperme  separ  service
sever  shak shake shap shape shar share shift shipp shrink signifi sing sink siz
size ski smok smoke soci solv sorb sort sound spall spare  speak  specifi  spend
spill  spoil  spott  spread  squeez st stack stain stat state statut steer stopp
stor stretch  stripp  su  subdivid  sublim  substitut  suffer  suit  summ  super
superimpos  superpos  superservice  support  suppos surf surmount surpass surviv
sustain swallow swimm swing switch syll t tam  tame  tarnish  tax  teach  temper
tempt  ten tenant termin test thermoform thermost think throttle till tilt timet
tith titrat toler touch trace tract trad trade traffic  trailer  train  transfer
transform  transfus  translat  transmitt  transmut transplant transport transpos
travers treason treasur treat tri trisyll tritur trust tubb tun tune turn  turnt
type  ultrafashion  un  unaccept  unaccount  unalien  unalter  unanswer unappeal
unappeas unapproach unargu unassail  unassuage  unavail  unavoid  unbear  unbeat
unbeliev  unbend  unbreath unbudge uncatch unchallenge unchange uncharit unclimb
uncomfort  uncommunic  uncompromis  unconceiv  unconform  unconquer   unconscion
uncontroll  uncrush  undaunt  undebat undeni understand undesir unemploy unendur
unexception unfashion unfathom unfavor unfind unflapp unforgett  ungovern  unifi
unimagin  unimpeach  unknow  unmemor unmention unmistak unopen unpalat unpredict
unprint unprofit unquestion unreason  unsay  unsearch  unseason  unshock  unsoci
unspeak  unst  unstopp  unsuit unten unthink untouch unutter unwarrant unwinn us
use utiliz utter v valu vanquish vaporiz vari veget vend vener verifi  verit  vi
view  vindic  viol visit vitrifi voc void volatiliz vulner wad wade warrant wash
wear weigh weld wett whistle will winn wir withdraw work workt writ

    My little dictionary at home contains "indubitable" but does not
    contain "dubitable."  But I will allow your inclusion of "dubit."
    You did include "Page" more times than necessary.  But I must protest
    the inclusion of "2" and "3".
    
    :^)
    
    Dan

  And from the world of X Windows, we have the term "drawable."  A drawable
  is a window that can accept graphic or bitmap input.  

  In the interest of parallelism in documentation, I propose that 
  from now on, doccos should refer to menu items as "choosables."
  "Choicables" would be better, of course, but would not be parallel...

  JP

    "Drawable" is not nearly as odious as "iconify," which I fought a
    losing battle with. I managed to get UIS to use "shrink" and "expand"
    instead, but failed with X. If I could get rid of "iconify," I could
    feel like I had done a real service to humanity. 

    	Jon

    re: .21
    
    Lord have mercy.  That almost sounds *sensible*.
    
    Oh, no.  Quick, somebody, shoot me and put me out of my misery
    before it's too late!
    
    --bonnie

  Take heart, Jon.  You won't "iconify" or the equally odious "iconize" 
  in our documentation -- "shrink to" and "expand to" have been accepted
  as the proper usage.

  However, you might see "drawable" (in programming manuals if not in 
  end-user stuff) because it has become an  industry-standard term.  

  Re: .23

  >    Lord have mercy.  That almost sounds *sensible*.

  This from my personal paragon of editing virtue?  Bonnie, are you trying
  to stop my heart?  And to which of "drawable," "choosable," and
  "choicable" are you referring? 

  JP

  Re: .23

  Or did you mean "sensable?"

  JP

    Thank you, John. But even if it *doesn't* end up in the documentation,
    it *is* in the things that naive users see: 
    
    Item: The setup (sic) dialog box for the session manager lets you
    choose its startup state to be either "Mapped" or "Iconified" (via
    radio buttons). 
    
    Item: The settings (sic) dialog box for the calendar has a check
    box labelled "Start Iconised."

    I'll bet there others.
    
    	Jon

    re: .24 --
    
    I meant referring to menu items as "choosables."  I would have
    meant "sensable" had I thought of it.
    
    re: iconify and the setup dialog box, whatever that is:
    
    I can't even figure out what "mapped" and "iconified" would do to
    me.  Is it anything like what happened to Lot's wife when she was
    fleeing Sodom? 
    
    re: all --
    
    Do you suppose this lapse of taste on my part means I ought
    to be put away?  Or just that I've been working on data
    dictionaries for too long?
    
    --bonnie, humbly begging pardon

  Re: .26

  Uh-oh.  I think I'm about to use JOYOFLEX in a work-related capacity.
  I've extracted your note and I'll try to make sure that the things you
  mention get fixed.  Since the software is still in field test and we
  have not finished with the approved DECwindows word list, I'm not too
  concerned -- yet.  If you or anyone else happens to notice similar
  problems, please send them along to me. 

  By the way, I think "setup" made it into the DEC lexicon via one of
  my old projects -- VAX BASIC V1.0.  Anyone know of any usage of "setup"
  before April 1980?  /Setup and /nosetup  were "undocumented" features
  in V1.0, having been implemented *after* the manuals went to print...
  And they were approved by the DCL clearinghouse, too.

  JP

    Re: .27
    
    	    "I can't even figure out what 'mapped' and 'iconified' would
    	    do to me.  Is it anything like what happened to Lot's wife
    	    when she was fleeing Sodom?"

    No, icons are two-dimensional.  Mrs. Lot (I guess married women
    didn't have their own names way back then) got salted and pillarized
    (cf. pilloried).
    
Lew Lasher

    re: .29
    
    Then if she were two-dimensionable, you could iconify her??????? 
    
    --bonnie
    
    p.s. Until I was in my mid-teens, I did think "Sodomized" meant
    "turned into salt". 

    Re "drawable":
    
    A correct usage might be...
    
    The pistol doesn't stick or catch in its holster.  That gun is
    drawable.
    
    Steve Kallis, Jr.

Re: .28
    
    Look at the VT100 keyboard, upper left corner. There's the "SET-UP"
    key. And I think the VT100 dates back to 78. 
    
    ~t~

There are some perfectly excellent words already available for use in the
science of Icons. In particular:

Iconoclasm: Breaking of images. (Reducing windows to icons)

Iconoclast: Breaker of images. (User who is reducing windows to icons)

Iconography: picturing; description of ancient images or representations.
             (designing new icons).
             
             
But I would be very surprised if the documentation uses any of them. Pity
really.

	Steve

    At least, when DECwindows is translated, we shall have a chance
    to rectify these linguistic excesses :-).
    
    On set-up:  I have a voucher pinned up on the wall of my cube from
    the Provo Excelsior Hotel that says:
    
    	"Two set-ups for the price of one in the Garden Room Lounge"
    
    Before you all rush, it expired on June 30, 1987.
    
    Jeff.

    Re: .27 et al.
    
    Could the word for what happened to Lot's wife be salsify, or does
    that mean `turn into an obscure vegetable'?
    
    b

    meaning "turn into taco sauce"?
    
    --bonnie

  How could I have forgotten SET-UP on the VT100?  I'll bet that's where
  our esteemed development project leader got it.  However, the hyphen,
  not to mention the meaning, got lost in the translation to software.

  I've been told that "icon" was at one time (16th century and before?) a
  verb meaning, if you'll pardon the expression, to iconify.

  JP

    re: .37
    
    "Icon" derives from a Greek verb that meant "to resemble."  To
    "icon" something in the middle ages was to represent it by an icon
    (a religious statue).  I don't think it had anything to do with
    expanding and shrinking them, however, as expansion and shrinkage
    are not properties of granite or marble.... 
    
    Since 'icon' started out as a verb and was nounized, verbizing it
    back is adding insult to injury.  
    
    The 'icon' words listed in Webster's ninth collegiate are:
    
    iconic, iconically, iconicity, iconoclast, iconoclastic,
    iconoclastically, iconographer, iconographic, iconography,
    iconographically, iconolatry, iconology, iconostatsis, and the
    iconoscope, a brand name for a ind of CRT. 
    
    Does this mean John and Jon are iconographers and the rest of us
    are iconolaters?
   
    --bonnie

    re the last bunch:
    
    I'm surprised that no one has mentioned that Lot's wife was *salaried*.
    
    Jeff, when is your group planning on translating DECwindows into
    English?
    
    Bonnie, thank you. I've always wanted to be an iconographer.
    
    	Jon

    I was reading something this morning about a presentation given
    by an IBM senior VP in which he used the phrase "... and that
    technology will not be COMMERCIALIZEABLE ...."

    I really heard this today.  I think I detected quotation marks in
    the air when `disableable' was first used; but in the ensuing
    discussion the `word' was adopted nem. con. (not even me - I
    know my place).
    
    b

    And then there's "doable".  I think it's pronounced, "dwabble".
    
    Spd

    > Jeff, when is your group planning on translating DECwindows into
    > English?

    There are currently no plans etc. ... :-).  We are so used to American
    terms now, I think we hardly notice it!  "Mail" and "Quit" for example.
    
    Plug: please put all your text in the UIL!
    
    Jeff.
    
    PS: TITLE := "Keep all text in one place" :-)

    Yesterday at the coffee machine I overheard a couple of marketing
    types discussing some software's "producticity."
    
    --bonnie

    re .44:
    
    Oh, then you're translating it into American? Even better.
    
    	Jon

    Is an iconificatable window iconiferous?

.47�    Is an iconificatable window iconiferous?

    No, but an iconiferous workstation is one that doesn't shed its windows
    in autumn.
    
    Ian.

    Re .26, 24 etc (`iconify')
    
    Jon's fears are well-founded. In the 23 Oct 1989 version of
    `Creating Online Documentation for the DECwindows Bookreader'
    the abominable `iconify' crops up several times - and not
    even with the dubious excuse of saving words: `The selection
    window remains open on the screen unless users shrink it to
    an icon (_iconify_ it)...' [This example comes from p.3,
    and stopped me from reading the rest of the document - which
    may have been quite interesting - so for all I know there
    may be others.]
    
    This is a technical writer writing for technical writers.
    Maybe _that's_ the excuse: "it's only an internal document so
    hang the jargon." Rubbish. The thin end of this particular
    wedge isn't fussy where it begins its horrid work.
    
    b

>       <<< Note 464.49 by MARVIN::KNOWLES "intentionally Rive Gauche" >>>

Hey b, shouldn't this be "intentionally Rive Glauche"?
                                              ^
:-)
Arie

�Hey b, shouldn't this be "intentionally Rive Glauche"?
    

    Bonjour, 
       en recours -.1
    
    Qu'est-ce que c'est 'Un flic blond'? Ou peut-�tre je suis trop jeune?
    
    et que veut dire le mot 'Glauche' ?
    
    je comprends 'rive gauche' mais.... 
    
    derek
    

Derek,

>    Qu'est-ce que c'est 'Un flic blond'? Ou peut-�tre je suis trop jeune?

Oui.........
:-):-)
    
>    et que veut dire le mot 'Glauche' ?

Rien. J'esp�re. ;-)
    
What if I say unto you:

"Intentionally left bank"?

:-):-)
Arie

    B'jour encore une fois
    
    ...and there I thought my education was extendable, that you might be
    knowledgable, so I could be educatable......
    
    derek
    Ps any chance of a translation in a brown paper envelope?
    
    ;-)
    

    Some time ago (but not that long - about 20 yrs ago I think) there
    was a very funny French film about a `flic blond'. I remember
    wondering at the time (I was a child of 'satiable curtiosity)
    how many francophones had come across the expression `it's a
    fair cop' (often, allegedly, said to policemen, but having nothing
    to do with their hair).
    
    b

    G'day
    
    
    Ahhh yes... I _like_ it...
    
    
    rather (and very remotely) reminiscent of 'Hitting a smiling
    spritualist'     
    
    
    striking a happy medium
    
    
    sorreeee
    
    
    derek
    
    
    Pardonnez-moi, M'sieur,  - Un chien de race ....
    C'est ce qu'on appelle, en Angleterre 'A greyhound', n'est-ce pas?