| Title: | The Joy of Lex |
| Notice: | A Notes File even your grammar could love |
| Moderator: | THEBAY::SYSTEM |
| Created: | Fri Feb 28 1986 |
| Last Modified: | Mon Jun 02 1997 |
| Last Successful Update: | Fri Jun 06 1997 |
| Number of topics: | 1192 |
| Total number of notes: | 42769 |
A minor question on usage. . . If you listen to classical music on the radio, you often hear the announcer/DJ list the composers whose works will be played with phrases such as: "Today we will hear works by Vivaldi, Beethoven, Grieg, Johann Sebastian Bach, and Mahler." Nothing wrong with this since: 1) all of these are recognized as serious music composers, and 2) they are all dead. (Also notice that since there are an awful lot of Bachs, the Johann Sebastian is required.) What bothers me sometimes is when contemporary composers are listed, or when the works are written by popular artists, they get the same treatment. Thus: "Today's works include music by Brahms, Mozart, Zappa, Springsteen, Glass, and Chopin." It always seems a little odd. I would prefer: "Today's works include music by Brahms, Mozart, Frank Zappa, Bruce Springsteen, Phillip Glass, and Chopin." I don't know what the rule is however. When do you drop the composer's first name? Any opinions?
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| 133.1 | HYDRA::THALLER | Sun Jan 05 1986 14:32 | 6 | ||
I would drop the first name whenever it is not neccessary to properly identify the artist. For example, in the case of Bach, the first name is usuaaly given because there are so many Bachs it could be by (Johann Sebastian, Johann Christian, Johann Christoph, Karl, Wilhelm, ...) Kurt* | |||||
| 133.2 | AJAX::TOPAZ | Sun Jan 05 1986 15:33 | 1 | ||
...Offen | |||||
| 133.3 | PRAGMA::GRIFFIN | Sun Jan 05 1986 19:20 | 3 | ||
Re: .2 ...arach, I'llBeRight, BachTo, ... | |||||
| 133.4 | AJAX::CALLAS | Mon Jan 06 1986 20:24 | 1 | ||
Don't forget the Verdi Brothers, Guiseppe & Monte... | |||||
| 133.5 | BEORN::BENCE | Wed Jan 08 1986 11:26 | 2 | ||
From the small village in Greece of the same name... | |||||
| 133.6 | CLOSET::DEVRIES | Thu Jan 09 1986 14:47 | 8 | ||
Another Bach: Oma Aiken ... Another Verdi: Vino ... | |||||
| 133.7 | NERSW5::MCKENDRY | Fri Jan 10 1986 11:44 | 26 | ||
A recent record of music by the Bach family represents these composers: Johann, 1604-1673 (grandson of Veit and son of Johannes (or "Hans" to his friends)). Grandfather of Johan Ernst. Heinrich, 1615-1692, Grandfather of Maria Barbara, who married J.S. Georg Christoph, 1642-1697, nephew of Johann and Heinrich. Johann Cristoph, 1642-1703, son of Heinrich. Johann Michael, 1648-1694, brother of Joh. Cris. and father of Maria B. Johann Nikolaus, 1669-1753, son of Joh. Cris. Johann Ludwig, 1677-1731, not related to any of the above. Sons of J.S.: Wilhelm Friedemann, 1710-1784. Carl Philippe Emmanuel, 1714-1788. Johann Cristoph Friedrich, 1732-1795, father of Wilhelm Friedrich Ernst. Johann Christian, 1735-1782. Also: Johann Ernst, 1722-1777, cousin of Joh. Cris. Friedrich. Wilhelm Friedrich Ernst, 1759-1845, aforementioned. Of course that's not all of them, but it gives you some idea... You also have to watch out for "Zappa". There really was an obscure 18th-century Italian cellist and minor composer named "Francesco Zappa" whose music is available on one record, EMI/Capitol 6518. -John | |||||
| 133.8 | DR::BLINN | Sun Jan 12 1986 23:12 | 6 | ||
They wouldn't have bothered with that "Francesco Zappa" record if it weren't for the man himself.. In your Bach list (or is that Liszt? :^) you left off P.D.Q. Bach.. Tom | |||||
| 133.9 | VOGON::GOODENOUGH | Mon Jan 13 1986 04:43 | 5 | ||
There's also the sign seen on the Music Shop: "Bach in ten minuets". And cockney rhyming slang "Brahms and Liszt", meaning "inebriated". Jeff. | |||||
| 133.10 | BOOKIE::OBRIEN | Fri Feb 07 1986 13:48 | 5 | ||
RE: .9 "Bach in ten minuets; Offenbach earlier." Brian | |||||
| 133.11 | other names | ELGAR::JBELL | Veni Vidi Puntavi | Wed Sep 24 1986 13:34 | 7 |
In addition to the composers who are known by last name only, there are
Galileo Galilei, who is known on a first name basis, and
Publius Vergilius Maro (Vergil) who is called by his middle name.
Perhaps the rules are different for composers.
Jeff Bell
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| 133.12 | who ? | WOODRO::ABBOTT | Sat Feb 11 1989 06:21 | 1 | |
If you'll be BACH, then I'll be Hayden. (hidin') | |||||
| 133.13 | You really don't want to know this... | MARVIN::WALSH | Tue Apr 25 1989 13:24 | 5 | |
re .9
Bach in ten minuets. Gone Chopin (unless I forget my Chopin Liszt).
Chris
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| 133.14 | (from Readers' Digest) | AITG::DERAMO | Daniel V. {AITG,ZFC}:: D'Eramo | Tue Apr 25 1989 19:50 | 4 |
You can submit your new ideas by dropping a note in the Johann Suggestion Box. Dan | |||||
| 133.15 | wurst to come | LAMHRA::WHORLOW | 1:25000 - a magic number | Fri Apr 28 1989 07:04 | 13 |
G'day,
re -.a_couple..
Maybe Bach in a minuet, Offenbach sooner.
Top on the Chopin lizst was a painting from Mo's Art , followed by
a new door handel.
djw
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