Conference thebay::joyoflex

You may have to use the Oxford Dictionary to check these, but a list I saw
about six years ago may have had these words on it:  gry, aggry, awgry, muggry,
and puggry.  Those are probably wrong, but they may be close to the correct
spellings or sounds.


				-- edp

    In a recent issue of GAMES magazine, this question was included
    as:
    
    "There are three common English words that end in GRY -- 
    what are they?"
    
    The answer was:  there are only two common English words that 
    end in GRY:  angry and hungry.  The editors included this as 
    one of six unsolvable puzzles.
    
    You'll notice that none of the words Eric provided -- although
    permissible as answers to the question posted here --can be 
    considered "common".  
    
    					andrew

From: [email protected] (Andrew Hume)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.internals
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ

	just to rub salt into teh wound and settle this nonsense
once and for all (a vain hope); the oed (at least the first edition)
yields the following words ending in gry:
    
A-hungry
Aggry
An-hungry
Angry
Begry
Conyngry
Gry
Higry pigry
Hungry
Meagry
Menagry
Nangry
Podagry
Skugry
Unangry

Has any one been able to come up with/validate a word that at least exists 
in some unabridged dictionary that ends in GRY besides angry and hungry?  
Though there apparently aren't any "common" words, I have become interested
in figuring out ANY words that meet this criteria.  Any takers?  If I 
find out of any, I'll be sure to post them/it here!

Matt

>>                        -< Hint: 125.3 _et. prev._ :-) >-

I tried to look up the "words" in 125.3, but to no avail...maybe someone has a 
dictionary or knows of a dictionary in which any of those exist?

Thanks for any help!

Still_looking...

Matt

    

    ... is it that the writer's from AT&T or that the note's from the
    internet that (apparently) invalidates it, I wonder...?  But less
    snidely, perhaps the writer of -.1 would just like to see it in black &
    white rather than glowing/nonglowing phosphor...
    
    (you might try printing out 125.3 and seeing if that helps) (no, STOP
    being so snidely, Dan, jheesh, lighten up WILLya!!)  :-)

    This month's GAMES magazine mentions that there are scores of words
    that end in -GRY, but then goes on to say that none of them besides
    angry and hungry are anything but totally obscure.

    					andrew

RE: Note 125.7 by RDVAX::KALIKOW 

>>    ... is it that the writer's from AT&T or that the note's from the
>>    internet that (apparently) invalidates it, I wonder...?  But less
>>    snidely, perhaps the writer of -.1 would just like to see it in black &
>>    white rather than glowing/nonglowing phosphor...
>>    (you might try printing out 125.3 and seeing if that helps) (no, STOP
>>    being so snidely, Dan, jheesh, lighten up WILLya!!)  :-)

I realize you added a smiley at the end of your reply in reference to yourself, 
but your sarcasm/snideness is unwelcome, thank you.  Though I have noticed 
that I was not clear in my original reply that I was unable to verify for 
myself the words offered in 125.3 with resources readily available to me, I 
*WAS* indeed asking for a reference to a dictionary/something that would allow 
me to validate any of the "words" from that earlier note.  As I do not know 
what O.E.D is or off-hand where I might find one or which resource I might want 
to check in a library, I thought I might ask the *friendly* JOYOFLEX conference 
for a pointer.  I can see that I was not 100% clear on that request.  I 
would in fact like to try to see it in black and white, though my purpose 
here was simply to learn of a resource and then secondarily, to actually 
locate one of the words for myself.  Nice of you to jump on someone for making 
a request.  Sorry to have been so PESTY that you felt my request warranted 
such snideness.

Oh, by the way, I am still wanting to find out what O.E.D is and where I might
find one or, alternatively, the name of another resource I might find in a 
library.

Matt
    

    OED = Oxford English Dictionary.  Any library will have either this one
    or some other huge dictionary to check in.
    
    The OED tries hard to have almost _every_ word in; while they tend to lag 
    popular speech by a few years due to the time it takes to prepare, they
    have vast numbers of archaic words (with illustrative quotes).
    
    		-John Bishop

    
    	Sheeeesh! Matt, I took it the way you stated it in your last 
                  reply...don't know why you got such a response!  In any
                  case, someone put in what OED is.  I was wondering what
                  it was myself.  Great!  Hope you're able to find what
                  you were looking for.
    
    

    It looked to me like the writer of .4 had not read .3.
    And it looked like the writer of .6 had finally noticed .3 but had
    chosen for some unknown reason to distrust it.  .6 didn't ask what
    OED is, but presumed that .3's information was inaccurate.  Now,
    these characteristics of .4 and .6 demonstrate conformance to some
    of Digital's practices (and might indicate suitability for management).
    .7 looks like more of a technician's reply, maybe not acceptable at
    Digital, but understandable I think.
    
    -- Norman Diamond

    Gee, I thought .4 had read .3 and had noticed .3 was more than a year
    old so .4 decided to ask again as he indicated his title.
    
    With a few more notes, the meta and meta meta discussions will become
    so confusing nobody will be able to figure out what is being said and
    we can go back to discussions of -gry words and where they might
    be found.

    No offense at all was intended.  The smiley you mention was directed at
    myself for being such a nit-picker.  And I was hoping that this
    self-denigration would lessen/eliminate the surface offense.  Sorry for
    my weak attempt at humor.  Yes indeed, JOYOFLEX is a friendly place,
    and I'm sorry for marring that atmosphere.
    

RE: -.1

>>  <<< Note 125.14 by RDVAX::KALIKOW "The Gods of the Mill grind slowly..." >>>
>>                          -< Apologies to you, Matt! >-

Thanks...

I'm going to check out the library and see what some of those 
"words" mean and what their derivations are -- maybe I'll find an OED :-)  
If I find anything intersting, I'll post it here.

Matt

    The OED comes in several versions...
    
    The complete one is multi-volumed and, I think, may include an Appendix
    of new words.
    
    There is then the Smaller OED and the Pocket OED - but I've never seen
    a pocket that big except in a poacher's jacket!
    
    Then there's Chambers, in various versions, as an alternative source of
    British English words.
    
    Nick

    �The complete one is multi-volumed and, I think, may include an Appendix
    �of new words.
    
    In view of the great Oxford tradition of hanging onto the word `new' long
    after it's lost its point (cf New College, more than 200 years old),
    be wary of the term `new' here. There was a supplement of `new' words
    published a little before WWII. The next supplement (five volumes) has
    been finished for a year or two. In some future OED I suppose the words
    in the supplements will be incorporated into the full text. But until
    that happens, trendy new words like `computer' will stay in the
    Appendix.
    
    b

This one came back to me after years, and I did a quick Alta Vista search
which pointed me at 

http://www.wri.com/~lou/puzzles/pieces/language:english:spelling:gry

Thought I'd add it here for completeness.  This was sure easier than the
last time I was posed the question about 10 years ago and had to read 
Webster's Unabridged cover to cover :-).

Jeff


==> language/english/spelling/gry.p <==
Find three completely different words ending in "gry."

==> language/english/spelling/gry.s <==
Aside from "angry" and "hungry" and words derived therefrom, there is
only one word ending with "-gry" in Webster's Third Unabridged: "aggry."
However, this word is defective in that it is part of a phrase "aggry beads."
The OED's usage examples all talk about "aggry beads."

Moving to older dictionaries, we find that "gry" itself is a word in Webster's
Second Unabridged (and the OED):

gry, n. [L. gry, a trifle; Gr. gry, a grunt]
   1. a measure equal to one-tenth of a line. [Obs.] (Obs. = obsolete)
   2. anything very small. [Rare.]

This is a list of 100 words, phrases and names ending in "gry":
[Explanation of references is given at the end of the list.]

aggry [OED:1:182; W2; W3]
Agry Dagh (Mount Agry) [EB11]
ahungry [OED:1:194; FW; W2]
angry [OED; FW; W2; W3]
anhungry [OED:1:332; W2]
Badagry [Johnston; EB11]
Ballingry [Bartholomew:40; CLG:151; RD:164, pl.49]
begry [OED:1:770,767]
bewgry [OED:1:1160]
bowgry [OED:1:1160]
braggry [OED:1:1047]
Bugry [TIG]
Chockpugry [Worcester]
Cogry [BBC]
cony-gry [OED:2:956]
conyngry [OED:2:956]
Croftangry [DFC, as "Chrystal Croftangry"]
dog-hungry [W2]
Dshagry [Stieler]
Dzagry [Andree]
eard-hungry [CED (see "yird"); CSD]
Echanuggry [Century:103-104, on inset map, Key 104 M 2]
Egry [France; TIG]
ever-angry [W2]
fire-angry [W2]
Gagry [EB11]
gry (from Latin _gry_) [OED:4/2:475; W2]
gry (from Romany _grai_) [W2]
haegry [EDD (see "hagery")]
half-angry [W2]
hangry [OED:1:329]
heart-angry [W2]
heart-hungry [W2]
higry pigry [OED:5/1:285]
hogry [EDD (see "huggerie"); CSD]
hogrymogry [EDD (see "huggerie"); CSD (as "hogry-mogry")]
hongry [OED:5/1:459; EDD:3:282]
huggrymuggry [EDD (see "huggerie"); CSD (as "huggry-muggry")]
hungry [OED; FW; W2; W3]
Hungry Bungry [Daily Illini, in ad for The Giraffe, Spring 1976]
iggry [OED]
Jagry [EB11]
kaingry [EDD (see "caingy")]
land-hungry [OED; W2]
leather-hungry [OED]
Langry [TIG; Times]
Lisnagry [Bartholomew:489]
MacLoingry [Phillips (as "Flaithbhertach MacLoingry")]
mad-angry [OED:6/2:14]
mad-hungry [OED:6/2:14]
magry [OED:6/2:36, 6/2:247-48]
malgry [OED:6/2:247]
man-hungry [OED]
Margry [Indians (see "Pierre Margry" in bibliog., v.2, p.1204)]
maugry [OED:6/2:247-48]
mawgry [OED:6/2:247]
meagry [OED:6/2:267]
meat-hungry [W2]
menagry [OED (see "managery")]
messagry [OED]
nangry [OED]
overangry [RH1; RH2]
Pelegry [CE (in main index as "Raymond de Pelegry")]
Pingry [Bio-Base; HPS:293-94, 120-21]
podagry [OED; W2 (below the line)]
Pongry [Andree (Supplement, p.572)]
pottingry [OED:7/2:1195; Jamieson:3:532]
puggry [OED:8/1:1573; FW; W2]
pugry [OED:8/1:1574]
rungry [EDD:5:188]
scavengry [OED (in 1715 quote under "scavengery")]
Schtschigry [LG/1:2045; OSN:97]
Seagry [TIG; EB11]
Segry [Johnston; Andree]
self-angry [W2]
self-hungry ?
Shchigry [CLG:1747; Johnson:594; OSN:97,206; Times:185,pl.45]
shiggry [EDD]
Shtchigry [LG/1:2045; LG/2:1701]
Shtshigry [Lipp]
skugry [OED:9/2:156, 9/1:297; Jamieson:4:266]
Sygry [Andree]
Tangry [France]
Tchangry [Johnson:594; LG/1:435,1117]
Tchigry [Johnson:594]
tear-angry [W2]
tike-hungry [CSD]
Tingry [France; EB11 (under "Princesse de Tingry")]
toggry [Simmonds (as "Toggry", but all entries are capitalized)]
ulgry [Partridge; Smith:24-25]
unangry [OED; W2]
vergry [OED:12/1:123]
Virgy [CLG:2090]
Wirgy [CLG:2090; NAP:xxxix; Times:220, pl.62; WA:948]
wind-angry.
wind-hungry [W2]
yeard-hungry [CED (see "yird")]
yerd-hungry [CED (see "yird"); OED]
yird-hungry [CED (see "yird")]
Ymagry [OED:1:1009 (col. 3, 1st "boss" verb), (variant of "imagery")]

This list was gathered from the following articles:

George H. Scheetz, In Goodly Gree: With Goodwill, Word Ways 22:195 (Nov. 1989)
Murray R. Pearce, Who's Flaithbhertach MacLoingry?, Word Ways 23:6 (Feb. 1990)
Harry B. Partridge, Gypsy Hobby Gry, Word Ways 23:9 (Feb. 1990)
A. Ross Eckler, -Gry Words in the OED, Word Ways 25:4 (Nov. 1992)

~References:
(Many references are of the form [Source:volume:page] or [Source:page].)

Andree, Richard. Andrees Handatlas (index volume). 1925.
Bartholomew, John. Gazetteer of the British Isles: Statistical and
        Topographical. 1887.
BBC = BBC Pronouncing Dictionary of English Names.
Bio-Base. (Microfiche) Detroit: Gale Research Company. 1980.
CE = Catholic Encyclopedia. 1907.
CED = Chambers English Dictionary. 1988.
Century = "India, Northern Part." The Century Atlas of the World. 1897, 1898.
CLG = The Colombia Lippincott Gazetteer of the World. L.E.Seltzer, ed. 1952.
CSD = Chambers Scots Dictionary. 1971 reprint of 1911 edition.
Daily Illini (University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign).
DFC = Dictionary of Fictional Characters. 1963.
EB11 = Encyclopedia Britannica, 11th ed.
EDD = The English Dialect Dictionary. Joseph Wright, ed. 1898.
France = Map Index of France. G.H.Q. American Expeditionary Forces. 1918.
FW = Funk & Wagnalls New Standard Dictionary of the English Language. 1943.
HPS = The Handbook of Private Schools: An Annual Descriptive Survey of
        Independent Education, 66th ed. 1985.
Indians = Handbook of American Indians North of Mexico. F. W. Hodge. 1912.
Jamieson, John. An Etymological Dictionary of the Scottish Language. 1879-87.
Johnston, Keith. Index Geographicus... 1864.
LG/1 = Lippincott's Gazetteer of the World: A Complete Pronouncing Gazetteer
        or Geographical Dictionary of the World. 1888.
LG/2 = Lippincott's New Gazetteer: ... 1906.
Lipp = Lippincott's Pronouncing Gazetteer of the World. 1861, undated
        edition from late 1800's; 1902.
NAP = Narodowy Atlas Polski. 1973-1978 [Polish language]
OED = The Oxford English Dictionary. 1933. [Form: OED:volume/part number if
        applicable:page]
OSN: U.S.S.R. Volume 6, S-T. Official Standard Names Approved by the United
        States Board on Geographic Names. Gazetteer #42, 2nd ed. June 1970.
Partridge, Harry B. "Ad Memoriam Demetrii." Word Ways, 19 (Aug. 1986): 131.
Phillips, Lawrence. Dictionary of Biographical Reference. 1889.
RD = The Reader's Digest Complete Atlas of the British Isles, 1st ed. 1965.
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Worcester, J.E. Universal Gazetteer, Second Edition. 1823.

Some words containing "gry" that do not end with "gry": agrypnia,
agrypnotic, Gryllidae, gryllid, gryllus, Gryllus, grylloblattid, 
Gryllotalpa, gryllos, grypanian, Gryphaea, Gryll, Gryphaea, gryposis,
grysbok, gryphon, Gryphosaurus, Grypotherium, grysbuck.  Most of these 
are in Webster's Second also with one from Webster's Third Edition and
one from the Random House Dictionary, Second Edition Unabridged.

    It is interesting how this puzzle has suffered from "telephone" ... ie
    the original puzzle has become contorted by passing it around.
    
    I cannot remember the exact wording of the original but it went
    soemthing like this ....
    
    There are 3 words in the English language that end in -gry.  The first
    is angry and the second is hungry.  It is used every day.  If you've 
    listened very closely, I've told you the 3rd word. What is it ?
    
    The way the puzzle was originally contrived, people jump to the conclusion 
    that the 3rd word is a common word, and so when they pass on the puzzle
    or do research the puzzle, they pass on the mistake.
    
    Look closely and you'll see that the sentence "It is used every day"
    refers to "hungry".  And from the part about listening closely, when
    said aloud the -gry is actually said as "gry".  Since "gry" is a word
    (albeit archaic), the answer to the puzzle is simply the word "gry".
    
    A very clever puzzle that has suffered because it is almost too clever.
    
    Stuart

    If you unscramble your attempted quotation in .19, then you will get
    the intended problem and then your analysis will yield the intended
    answer.  The intended answer cannot be "gry" because "gry" is indeed
    archaic and is not used every day.
    
    The first sentence intended to be irrelevant, but it also states a
    false quantity.  "What" is not the third of anything whose quantity
    has been named.  The intended problem is still more than misleading,
    being fully nonsense.

    Re .19
    
    Given that there are several dozen words ending in -gry in the English
    language (see .18 in this string), the puzzle is meaningless regardless
    of how it is phrased.

    Given that the there are more than 3 words ending in gry indeed
    makes the first statement false and disqualifies the whole puzzle.
    
    That said, it may be that the original author of the puzzle only
    found the 2 common ones plus gry.
    
    Note that the comment "It is used every day" does NOT refer to a
    third word ... it does NOT say that the 3rd work is common. It
    refers to hungry ... the second word.
    
    Therefore my analysis stands ... albeit based on the premise that
    the originator of the puzzle understood there were only 3 words
    than end in gry.
    
    Stuart