Conference school::sports_memorabilia

    
    I have not seen the cards at all, the one thing I did hear is that
    dealers in the hobby got only 1/3 of the production with the remaining
    2/3 going to places like Sam's, Bjs, Pace, etc. 
    
    If that is true you might want to wait, $50 sounds way too high.
    
    Have you seen the cards?  What are they like?
    
    jeff
    

    I only took a quick glance at the cards.  Nice looking!  They look a
    lot like last year's Stadium club, glossy finish, nice embossed seal,
    etc., etc.
    
    Regards,
    Denny

    Just hope they don't end up like Fleer Ultra Football, I bit on
    football when it was $30 a box, and now they are selling for $7-12 at
    area shows.  I think $50 a box is way to high, looking at what happened
    to Fleer Ultra Football this past year.

    
    I always thought that last year's Fleer Ultra products were nothing
    special in comparison to their regular product. Sure the design was
    better,  but it's  not  like  they  couldn't have used it for their
    regular sets.  The stock was the same, only the price was different
    except the last couple of months  when  you  could pick up Football
    dirt cheap.
    
    John

    Just came from a shop with a few packs. Nice looking cards!
    10 card Tony Gwynn subset and an autographed card are randomly
    inserted aslo a 25 card award winners subset. Rumor has it that
    the prices are going up because of a law suit by Topps for copying
    the Stadium Club design. My local shop had a few boxes 2.00/pack
    60.00/box.
    

    
>    ...					Rumor has it that
>    the prices are going up because of a law suit by Topps for copying
>    the Stadium Club design. 
    
    	Translated this means:  Dealer needs to sell quick before
    	wharehouse stores get theirs.
    

    
    Read a short promo ad on these in the latest SCD. It mentioned the
    25 sub set, but also mentioned a 20 card rookie set. It did say
    that the production would be equal to the '91 quantity, which
    was quite a few. As a matter of fact didn't ultra go back to the
    presses last year, and didn't that create caos for the ultra market?
    As a matter of fact a reliable source here in ALBQ. has said that
    fleer has recently done the same thing with this years rookie
    sensation cellos. He told me today that he knows for a fact that there 
    are 163 new cases of cellos in Albq today.
    
    Jim

    I bought a box yesterday... ended up 18 cards short of a 300 card set.
    4 Gwynn inserts, both Cy Young cards, plus 4 Gold Glove cards... no
    more than 3 of any card.  They are the best cards I've seen so far in
    92.   
      

    I don't think you will find these much below $40 a box, I saw an order
    form laying out on the counter at my dealers, and he is paying $38 a
    box for these.  He also is only paying $8 a box for Fleer BK Update.
    I'm not sure but I think he goes through a middle man for these. 
    Anyways he is going to ask $55 for these when they come in.

    I got 2 packs of these tonight.  These are more like Stadium Club
    '91, than Fleer Ultra 91.  Nice pictures, no stats about batting avgs
    in the strike zone, no rookie card picture.  I'd MUCH rather buy
    these than then the Stadium Club.  Here's hoping I can find them
    at Sam's, Bj's, etc... also have rookie cards marked within the
    set, not a subset.  I got an Ivan Rodriguez and a Darrell Kile in
    2 packs...

    I came up 3 short of a set.Got 5 Gwynn's and 7 Golden Gloves all
    from 1 box.
    

    
    These are nice cards, but the backs don't really do much for me, could
    we get less space and face and few more stats?  Do you folks like
    only seeing last year/season total?
    
    What a quality job fleer did overall, excellent front/photos.
    
    On to price:  this weekend there as was semi-big show at BG and
    dealers were asking $70-$80/box.  I hope not many people bought
    at this, as even some of the wax dealers admitted this week the
    boxes will come into wholesale accounts, $50 a box seems about
    the best to hope for from show wax dealers in the next few
    weeks.  Here's to good luck at the wharehouse stores.
    
    Is anyone else who can check local wharehouse stores interested
    in pooling together, whoever gets them first buys a set quantity
    for others who are looking?  Juan, Walt, John M., others, send
    mail to me @{ddif,dtif,gooey}::tancill if you're interested.
    
    jeff
    

    I just saw them at a local store for $67.50 today at lunch.  I bought
    three packs and got three! Gwynn insert cards.  
    
    At a show this past weekend, they were selling the Thomas card from $6
    to $15.. the Gwynn inserts at $10... no packs were available when I
    got there in the afternoon.
    
    I don't feel so bad buying a box for $55.  Finished a set and within 
    80 cards of a second set... and most of those 80 are the commons.  
    

    I just opened a box. I got a complete set as well. Great collation.
    I got both ROY and MVP inserts along with 2 Gwynn Inserts. No
    gold gloves but prefer the ROY and MVP's anyways.
    
    Steve

    
    It's a nice touch by Fleer to keep the collation of ultra good.
    Last year's collation was good too. (football I remember especially).
    
    Per pack price is riding the hype wave to a solid $2/pack in the
    southern nh area.  Boxes have gone fluctuated greatly, going up
    in progression,  $45/$50/$52/$60/$70, settling at $70 in the two
    retail card shops that had any boxes towards the end of the day.
    I have a feeling the next time a see the wholesale type wax
    dealers at a show who told me they would have it this week for
    $50, somehow they'll magically be charging $65 instead ;-(.
    Hopefully patience will bring some sanity.
    
    I've bought a few more packs (about 10, like I said a few).  
    Very impressive front layout, photog and use of colors.  I
    really like the checklists this year that kept the phaded
    pictire behind numbers and names.  3 checklists, #300 has
    ryan, who is on #298 & #299?
    
    jeff
    

    Re: .15
    
    Jeff, Sandy Alomar and Ryne Sandberg  are  on the other two checklists.
    Good collation in the box since I got a whole set. Not too many triples
    either. Beats Leaf Studio and Score Pinnacle collation. Definitely nice
    cards. While a lot like last year's Stadium's, I like them better. This
    is what they should have had last year. Thanks Steve H. for giving me a
    set of checklists since I only got one set in my box ;-)
    
    John

    
    I'm getting a little bit perturb with Fleer's marketing strategy here
    of giving out a bit of their supply and then seemingly holding the
    rest of it for a couple months.  Anyway it appears the retail/wholesale
    supply may finally being showing up this week.  The local Toys R Us
    got a case yesterday, didn't limit it like they did with stadium, so it
    all went inside of one day.  There was none there went I check today at
    lunch, but I'm almost glad since $1.59/pack, $57.24/box is no great
    price imho.  Nothing yet at Sam's here in nh, although rumor has it
    Bj's maybe getting some tomorrow...
    
    jeff
    

    The explanation I got was Fleer filled the orders they got first. Most
    dealers thought last year's sucked and didn't sell a lot, so they
    didn't order a lot.  Then Fleer concentrated on the "candy" stores.
    That must be what's coming now.  They'll then try to fill the dealers
    request that all of a sudden realized they were hot... I think they'll
    still come down even more...
    
    -Walt
    

    
    The June Beckett has this set @ $55, Thomas @ $5.50. Award winners
    were $125 I believe.

    Has anybody heard about a law suit over these cards with Topps?
    One of my local card shops told me friday that Fleer had just
    lost a law suit with Topps. The owner had told me about a month
    ago that Topps was suing Fleer for copying the technology for
    producing the photo like cards. The result is supposed to be 
    that Fleer can no longer make these cards. If thats the case
    then series 1 may be the only Fleer cards like this and that
    could make them more desirable than they are already!

    Fleer Ultra hasn't been out that long. With the way these court
    cases drag along, it's unlikely that they've even gone to court
    yet if there is a lawsuit. I haven't seen anything about a law-
    suit in SCD or any other trade magazines.  Must be one of those
    SportNet rumors.
    
    John

    
    Topps doesn't even own the technology used to produce their TSC
    cards.
    
    Kodak does.
    
    -rjk

    
    
          Went to a card show this weekend.  One dealer was selling sets
          for  $35.00.

    That's a decent price.
    
    John

    
    Does the current fleer ultra series I "scene" remind anyone of 
    stadium I last year?  'Just wait and it will be all over the
    place for a decent price'.  I have this sense of deja vu that
    this isn't going to come true for ultra series I much in the way
    all that supply never materialized for stadium baseball series I
    last year.
    
    I'm not saying Fleer didn't produce a hefty amount of these cards,
    but rather that the manipulators/the wholesalers will again do
    quite an effective job of keeping the supply down to a trickle and 
    thus keeping the price fairly high.  Sigh.
    
    If anyone sees sets again for $35, buy me one (or two), I'll pay you
    $40 for them.  It would be interesting to see if that same dealer is
    still at $35 next week now that the almighty Beckett says $55 for the
    set.
    
    jeff
    

       I'll take one too if someone sees them for $35.
                                         Denny

    
    
    	I do not expect the price to rise much, because a dealer has
    	informed me that the had contacted Fleer and was told that
    	the company had produced 450,000 cases of this product. At
    	20 boxes per case, that comes to alot of cards.
    
    	Ed 

    So with those numbers there's about 9,000,000 wax boxes and if there's
    36 packs per box that makes it about 324,000,000 packs. That must be
    why the product is scares and the prices so high, There's not enough
    of them to go around.
    
    Miguel 

    
    45,000 cases sounds like a more reasonable number and even that's a
    lot of cards. I'm sure a lot of people are sitting on them also.
    
    John

    
    
    45,000 is "around" what they produced of '89 Upper Deck.
    
    Fleer themselves said they'd produce as much as they did last
    year.
    
    I'll wait.  If I can get them for a decent price, fine.  If not,
    I'll just throw myself off the nearest bridge ...
    
    -rjk

    
    
      The only reason that they are scarce right now is that most
      dealers did not order any of the product, for whatever reason.
      Fleer ships to the dealers first and then to the retail stores.
      Fleer has started shipping to the retail stores.
      In another 3-4 weeks there should be plenty for everyone.
    
      I know one dealer in town who recieved 180 cases in the past 
      three weeks.  Now if he can get his hands on 180 cases that quick,
      it sures sounds like there is more that a few cases out there. 

    
    They didn't order any because last year's product stunk, and they
    took a bath on it.
    
    -rjk

    I didn't think last year's product stunk. It didn't compare to
    Stadium Club which probably grabbed most of the attention.
    
    John

    re .31:
    
>      The only reason that they are scarce right now is that most
>      dealers did not order any of the product, for whatever reason.
>      Fleer ships to the dealers first and then to the retail stores.
>      Fleer has started shipping to the retail stores.
>      In another 3-4 weeks there should be plenty for everyone.
    
	Hope this turns out to be true, but I've also heard it all before.
    	Why did Fleer ship to dealers, who were limited to 2 cases btw, 
    	then wait several *months* to ship to the retail stores?  What
    	possible motive could they have had to wait so long other than to 
    	create an artificial perception of limited supply?  If this was their
    	reason then they have given the speculators and wholesalers
    	a perfect climate to sit on whatever they have and not supply
    	it in mass quantities to the retail stores.  Would you as
    	a wholesaler pass it on to a retailer at $35-$40/box if you
    	could trickle it out over time and get $45-$60 a box (or more) by 
        selling it to dealers?  This is exactly what is happening right
        now, sure you can get cases of Fleer Ultra right now, but you
        have to pay 1200+ for a case of 20 boxes.  Maybe in a few weeks
        more of it comes out and the price drops tp maybe $1000/case.
        Maybe.  Unless really significant quantities hit the retail
        and "wholesale" stores, you and I don't have a prayer of seeing
        individual boxes for less than $50 at shows or in dealer shops.
    
>      I know one dealer in town who recieved 180 cases in the past 
>      three weeks.  Now if he can get his hands on 180 cases that quick,
>      it sures sounds like there is more that a few cases out there. 
    
    	I'm not saying there isn't more than a few cases out there, but
        rather I'm saying the end consumer ain't going to see much of this
        supply, not enough to drive down prices a whole lot from their
        current inflated levels.  I really hope I'm wrong, but I'm
    	beginning to get the sinking feeling I'm right, just like 
    	Stadium baseball series 1 last year, remember?
    
    	Regarding this delaer and 180 cases, proof is in the pudding, where 
    	are you and this dealer located?  And how much is he/she selling 
        boxes for?  What's his/her phone number?
    
    	jeff
    

    
    RE: John and "Ultra stunk last year"
    
    Let's be honest.  Last year's Fleer Ultra was not a "premium" or "high
    end" product.  In fact, it was a nice offering, if it had been billed
    as their .50� product.  But as a premium product, from the DEALER's
    POV -- it "STUNK".  Ergo, they didn't order this year's in quantity,
    fearing being stuck with it.
    
    Look at Ultra FB, and how readily available it is for $10-15/box.
    
    Those who do not learn from history ...
    
    -rjk

    
    Re: .35
    
    Yes, you're correct and I did say before that they could've used that
    design etc. as their regular issue instead of the mustard cards.
    
    John

    
>      I know one dealer in town who recieved 180 cases in the past 
>      three weeks.  Now if he can get his hands on 180 cases that quick,
>      it sures sounds like there is more that a few cases out there. 
    
    	 I'm still waiting for you to let us in on where this dealer
    	 is, especially since he/she claims to have obtained so much
         when many of the larger wholeslers/dealers I know still can't get a
    	 meager quantity of even 20-50 cases.  I would like to call this
    	 dealer and ask him/her if he/she really spent something like
    	 $120,000 on Fleer Ultra in the last 3 weeks.  ($33.50/box*20*180)
    	 And more importantly can we get some at a decent price!
    
         jeff
    

    
    The story this weekend seems to be that Fleer has indeed shipped
    all the series I out, the candy wholesalers have at least some as
    there were reports of single boxes popping up at the local CVS
    stores for $1.49/pack.  Needless to say the one box per store
    didn't last long, with at least one store selling it to an employee
    before it even made it to the shelf.  Also I heard another report
    of K-bee or Ames getting some, but selling it at $2.99/pack!
    
    One of the bigger wholesale dealers in nh is supposed to get his
    50 some cases this week, it has shipped but not arrived yet as
    of friday.  This dealer usually sells at a decent price, but always in
    tune with or just below the going market rate.  Market rate being
    the almightly SportsNet, which apparently is still at 1200-1300/case.
    Maybe it will come down some this week, but unless you get lucky 
    at a store somewhere I think boxes will still be $60 or more at shows.
    At a show today they were $80/box, $2.25-$2.50/pack.  No bargain.
    Anybody else see much this weekend?
    
    I really am convinced the supply will be "regulated" such that prices
    will not drop all that much, the only chance to see a box under $50
    will be if you camp out at one of the 'wholesale' stores.  What's
    going to conspire to keep the price up is the aforementioned
    "regulated" supply, plus the $125 initial price tag on the award winner
    subset, along with $5 initial Beckett price for Gywnn inserts.
    
    Ok guys, tell me how wrong I am again, and please pick us up a box
    if anyone finds them under $50, at least 5 noters are interested
    in one box each at less than $50.
    
    jeff
    

    Saw complete sets this weekend for 45$ and they probably could have
    been had for less.
    
    John

    
        I am in Charlotte, NC.  By the time I found out he had sold 
        all of the cases on the SPORTNET for $1300.00 a case.  Now, I must
        admit that I did not see the cases he said he sold.
    
    	I also noticed that at a recent card show where he had set up, he
        did not have any boxes for sale.                   
    
    

    
    re .40
    
    Exactly proves my point.  Even when/if someones gets a decent
    quantity they won't sell it cheap to us consumers at shows when
    they can get $1300/case on the "wire".  There is much more of
    a conspiracy/collusion happening here then you might like to think.
    Just because Fleer made X thousands of cases, doesn't mean you'll
    see any at a decent price.  What the big players get they will
    conspire to trickle out and thus keep up the price, the rest that
    gets thru will be snapped up very quickly by the pavement pounders.
    
    Time is the only ally your average collector potentially has in a
    situation like this.  Some of the big boys may dump some when they
    need the money to buy the next hot thing (which from what I'm hearing
    is going to be this year's Leaf).  
    
    Is Fleer Ultra scarce?  No, probably not such a thing these days, but
    it is "limited" and a great looking card and currently "hot".  Given
    the price of the inserts it will probably stay well over $60/box
    even if more of it shows up this week.  Series II should be more
    reasonable, again following closely what happened with Stadium Club
    baseball last year.
    
    jeff
    

    
    Sounds a lot like UD HK French the first year, and a certain
    company ("Rig Rob" as Astro would say) buying over 95% of the
    production run.
    
    I'm telling you, someday the government's going to step in ...
    
    -rjk

    
    There really is a GOD !
    
       And he granted my wish of cheap 92 Fleer Ultra cards.
    
    I found them at CVS after constant every other day searching they
    finally got a few boxes and I happened to stop by before someone
    else instead of after someone else for a change. Their regular selling
    price is $1.49 per pack as most of you already know. But this
    particular CVS has had a 25% off sale on all of their cards for a
    couple of weeks now. And they put the 92 Ultra at the same,thus
    bringing the price down to $1.11 per pack. I couldn't believe it
    actually a lower than expected retail price. So naturally I brought
    a bunch.
    
    All of the boxes were open on the shelf.
    No closed boxes were available. You might want to check your local
    CVS regularly. They have no idea what they will get and when they
    will get it. But if you ask them when they recieve their
    shipments,because different stores recieve on different
    days,you could plan to drop by and possibly get some for yourself.
    
    
    JD

    I've found sets at 40.00.  Write for info.
    Mike Kelly @ OGO

    
    What is a CVS? Do you know any of their affiliate names?
    
    Jim

    Jim, it's a regional drug store in the Northeast I believe.
    
    John

    
    .46  .47
    
    CVS is a pharmacy. I have seen them as far south on the east coast
    as Delaware. They are a national account of DEC's so they must be else
    where but i haven't been so i can't say where.
    
    Not sure if they have any affiliates either.
    
    JD

    
    
    I found Fleer Ultra at Ames department store in Concord NH last night.
    They are selling them for $1.49 per pack. There were more than 10 boxes
    at 6 pm when i got there. They do have an affiliate store chain that
    they brought out last year i believe but i can't remember the name of
    it right now.
    
    JD

    These must be the second wave that Jeff T's been talking about coming
    out. Maybe they'll start showing up in more local stores now and also
    places like BJ's etc.
    
    John

    These are showing up in grocery store and gas stations for $1.89 a pack
    all over South Carolina.  Supply is abundant.
    
    Jon

    
    Like I mentioned earlier, their promo article said that they would be
    producing just as many as last year. With all the interest picking up
    on the new products ('92 Leaf, Pinnacle,and Stadium II), and with
    this newest wave of Ultra hitting the retail markets, we should see a
    decline in the ultra prices at the SCD level.

    
    
    re .51
>    These are showing up in grocery store and gas stations for $1.89 a pack
>    all over South Carolina.  Supply is abundant.
    
    	Boy you rebels sure get soaked for baseball down there, $68.04/box
    	is hardly a great deal.  NO wonder there's a surplus ;-)
    
    re .52
    
>    Like I mentioned earlier, their promo article said that they would be
>    producing just as many as last year. With all the interest picking up
>    on the new products ('92 Leaf, Pinnacle,and Stadium II), and with
>    this newest wave of Ultra hitting the retail markets, we should see a
>    decline in the ultra prices at the SCD level.
    
    	Don't know about 'the SCD level', but you make a good point about
    	the new arrivals.  Anything new effects stuff that has been out for
    	awhile, a significant retail supply of Ultra now with new products
    	competing against it could conspire to bring down Ultra prices.
    	However, I'll make two additional points for your consideration:
    
    	1) Indeed Fleer said same amount of Ultra as last year, if you
    	  assume equal production of series I and II then there is "only"
    	  half as much Ultra out there now as all of last year (with the
    	  remaining half to come in series II).  Last year was only 1
    	  series.
    
    	2) Series II is expected in early July, so I would speculate
    	  that the splash of series 1 won't be around for long, grab
    	  it while you can for less than $60/box, once the retail splash
    	  dries up and series II hits in a month or so, the price is likely
    	  to head back up.
    
    If you're interested in Ultra series 1, time the retail supply dip to
    get a good deal on the cards, it won't last forever and once the turn
    back up comes these cards are nice enough to never look back.
    
    All just my personal opinion of course, fwiw,
    
    jeff
    

    re.-1
    
    I am a (damn)yankee.  Keep in mind its retail, no box discounts.  I have
    heard of some places having stuff for 1.49 also.
    
    Jon

    
    The show I was at today had a few people (2) selling at $2.00/pack,
    other $2.25, rest still at $2.50/pack, $75-$80/box.  
    
    This is clearly for what it's worth:  the one large new england
    area dealer still hasn't received his ultra from Fleer.  The story
    now is that Fleer had some production problems and has yet to ship
    the largest orders.  To me this means the price may yet come down after
    all because by the time these "big guys" get their "big orders" no
    one is really going to care, it's too late, people's attention is
    and will turn to the newer stuff like pinnacle (out today for
    $75-$78/box!, 1st weekend b.s.), leaf, etc.  It will be interesting to 
    see if this latest story is actually true and perhaps the wharehouse stores
    will get some after all.  Supposedly series II ultra may now be delayed
    from early July to well into August.  Take all this with a grain of
    salt...
    
    Award winners remain pretty hot, but series 1 sets continue to sit
    or come down in price as dealers who broke boxes try and move the
    sets.  They were anywhere from $40-$54.95 today and not even the $40's
    were selling.  It will be interesting to see if the next baseball
    beckett actually reflects this.  If Beckett really follows what things
    are actually selling for, the award winners will be up and the overall
    series 1 price should be down.  
    
    jeff
    

    I have the Series II checklists they list the following rookies as part
    of the teams (not inserts):
    
    Jeff Tackett (Balt)
    Flaherty, Housie, Hoy (Red Sox)
    Chad Curtis, Scott Lewis (Cal)
    Esteban Beltre, Roberto Hernadez (CWS)
    none (Clev)
    John Doherty, Shawn Hare, Mike Munoz (Det)
    Rico Rossy (KC)
    Cal Eldred, Doug Henry, Pat Listach, William Suero (Mil)
    Jarvis Brown, Pat Mahomes, Lenny Webster (Minn)
    Andy Stankiewicz (NYY)
    Scott Brosius, Henry Mercedes, Bruce Walton (Oak)
    Calvin Jones (Sea)
    Monty Fariss, Donald Harris (Tex)
    none (Tor)
    Ben Rivera (Atl)
    none (ChiC)
    Jacob Brumfield, Reggie Sanders (Cin)
    Ryan Bowen, Jaun Guerrero, Jeff Juden, Scott Servais, Brian Williams (Hou)
    Carloa Hernadez, Eric Karros (LA)
    Archi Cianfrocco, Chris Hanney, John Vander Wal, David Wainhouse (Mont)
    none (NYM)
    Ruben Amaro, Andy Ashby, Kim Bastiste, Cliff Brantley, Jeff Grotewold,
    Julio Peguero (Phil)
    Scott Bullett, PaUL MILLER (PIT)
    Mark Clark, Donovan Osborne, Mike Perrez (St Lou)
    Jeremy Hernandez (San D)
    Rod Beck, Craig Colbert, Jim McNamara, John Patterson, Ted Wood (San
    Fran)
    
    Also they list 10 American and 10 National League All-Stars along
    with a 1992 Fleer Ultra All-Rookie Team. I THINK THIS MEANS
    30 MORE INSERTS TO GO WITH 10 GWYNN'S AND 25 GOLD GLOVES FROM
    SERIES I!
    
    STEVE 
    
    
    

    It wouldn't be too bad if Fleer put in  12-15 of these insert cards per
    box, but when you only get 6-8 in a box and then dealers ask 5$ or more
    for single cards, it makes it tough  to  complete these sets. I'm still
    working on the series I insert set.
    
    John

    >>  It wouldn't be too bad if Fleer put in  12-15 of these insert cards
    >>  per box, but when you only get ** 6-8 ** in a box ...
    
    So, 1-2 insert cards per box would be out of the question, right John??!!
    
    :-)
    
    Dan

       Well, now we know what Fleer is doing with all this dough they're
    raking in. Has anyone ever seen a nationally televised commercial for
    baseball cards? Well, there was one for Fleer Ultra on early
    'Sportscenter' last night on ESPN.
                                    Denny

    
    
    I've seen that one. Has anyone seen the ad that has Rod Carew pushing
    20 cards for $9.95 ('90t Ripken,'90t Ryan, Canseco, ect)? I saw these
    adds on CNN.
    
    
    Jim

    
    I think if you're in new england and were waiting for these cards,
    now is the time to get them.  Large new england orders were shipped
    this past week with bjs, sam's, pace and even costco getting their orders.
    Unfortunately I was working from home last week and missed all the
    wharehouse deals.  Sam's got something like 5 cases or so, gone in
    a half hour.  Costco reportedly got 37 cases last tuesday, no limit,
    gone in several hours.  Both were selling it for around $37 a box.
    So if you see some local dealers with a bunch all of the sudden,
    tell them you know they got it at Costco and you want it for $45
    a box!
    
    Also the large new england dealer I have referred to before got his
    (some of you may know I'm talking about Peter Jay of Northland Sports
     Cards).  According to the horses mouth he got 50+ cases, alot of
    which was ear marked (sold) already to local dealers and regular
    customers.  He had promised all these weeks when he didn't have it
    to sell it at a reasonable price when he got it.  I saw him yesterday
    at the Derry flea market and I think he kept his word, selling boxes
    for $55 each, not bad.
    
    I have to admit Fleer has gotten more of this into retail outlets than
    I thought they would and it's kinda of late so some people don't
    care anymore.  I've seen it (or heard reports of it) at Caldor's, Ames, 
    CVS for $1.49 (disappeared quickly in each case), also at various
    magazine wholesaler outlets like the regular Fleer baseball cellos,
    most recently at my local Shaw's for $1.89/pack.  So it's around in
    this area (finally) right now, you can get a decent deal on it if you
    look around or bargain a bit, but it also is being snatched up, I still
    think it will be tough to find at a decent price in another few weeks.
    (just in time for series II!)  Some of it may indeed be finding it's
    way to other parts of the country, the story I've heard is that
    the west coast and south got their big orders early and it's
    mostly gone in those regoins, so apparently it is still moving for
    $1100-$1200/case over SportsNet even with all this supply showing
    up in this area.  If you bought it here at Costco for around $750/case,
    you might just ship it to someone on the west coast willing to pay 
    $1000-$1100/case.  Take this with a grain of salt, I have no first
    hand knowledge of what is happening on "the net", only second hand
    info, but the main point I wanted to make was to buy ultra series I
    now if you were waiting, it has been shipped.  If somebody wants some
    at $55, I will probably see the folks from Northland at a show this
    sunday.  Did anyone get lucky at the wharehouse stores??
    
    jeff
    
    
    jeff
    

    Jeff, I think a lot of people  were  able  to get them at BJ's since
    you were allowed only one. I hear BJ's may limit cards like these in
    the future to only members  and  not allow people to walk in and pay
    just a little over the member price.
    
    This flood should affect  regular  set  prices since most people are
    probably opening them for the insert cards. Still the nicest set for
    the year so far.
    
    John

    
    Yeah, I kinda like Bj's policy, helps out the little guy who just
    wants one box at a decent price.  I'm definitely considering a
    membership when the nashua store opens at the end of this month.
    Should at least be in time for ultra series 2.  Currently Salem
    is too far to travel for me for a box of cards.  I was hoping to
    hit one of the other stores and grab a 1/2 case for noters who
    were interested.  Maybe next time ;-(
    
    jeff
    

       I got one at BJs in Westboro thanks to someone in here! Couple
    dealers lurking around the display. don't know if they were trying to
    get people to buy one for them. Didn't seem like it. 
       HUDMAR in Marlboro had a 'sale' this past weekend, 25% off on single
    cards, and I picked up an ULTRA set for $35.
                                         Denny

	BJ's in Westboro limited sales to one per customer per day, so
	I was fortunate enough to be able to pick up 2 boxes before they
	ran out.  However, the "per day" restriction, as I found out the
	hard way, was only done at the Westboro store.  I called the other
	BJ's when Westboro ran out, and found that Weymouth was the only
	store in the local area that hadn't received their shipment yet.
	The shipment came in the Saturday before last, as I found out
	when I called that morning.  Since my only previous experience was
	with the Westboro store, I assumed they were restricting sales the
	same way.  Therefore, I thought that I could show up at any time
	during that day and easily score a box.  Well, I was going to 
	dinner in Weymouth, so I decided to go over to BJ's after that.
	When I arrived at 8:30 PM, they had been sold out for a couple of
	hours (15 cases worth).  The guy there explained that they had made
	customers buy them one at a time and leave the store with them
	before returning.  Customers would buy one, drop it in their car,
	and get right back into line.  Hell, the last case was damaged and
	people kept scooping them right up anyway.  Needless to say, I was
	pissed and let them know it.  He said that Stoughton had done 
 	their distribution the same way and they had gone just as fast.
	I just wish I had known that Westboro was the exception to the rule
	before waiting to go down there and get some.

	Ric

    
    A local dealer has got his series 2 boxes in. There is an allstar set
    included in these boxes.
    
    Jim

    Fleer Series II Ultra All Stars Inserts
    
    American League		National League
    
    Mark McGwire 1B		Will Clark 1B
    Roberto Alomar 2B		Ryne Sandberg 2B
    Cal Ripken, JR. SS		Barry Larkin SS
    Wade Boggs 3B		Gary Sheffield 3B
    Mickey Tettleton C		Tom Pagnozzi C
    Ken Griffey, Jr. OF		Barry Bonds OF
    Roberto Kelly OF		Deion Sanders OF
    Kirby Puckett OF		Darryl Strawberry OF
    Frank Thomas DH		David Cone P
    Jack McDowell P		Tom Glavine P
    
    1992 Fleer Ultra All-Rookie Team
    
    Eric Karros 1B
    Andy "Stanky the Yankee" Stankiewicz 2B
    Gary DiSarcina SS
    Archi Cianfrocco 3B
    Jim McNamara C
    Chad Curtis OF
    Kenny Lofton OF
    Reggie Sanders OF
    Pat Mahomes P
    Donovan Osborne P
    
    John

    Based on this year's numbers I guess (McGwire over Fielder?)
    

    
    Hobby dealer's around southern nh got their series 2 in today.
    Two places both had them for $2/pack, but also said they would be
    going up "soon".  The packs state a 1 in 6:5 chance of getting
    an all-star, 1:13 of getting an all rookie team card.  Other
    than Plantier, not many stars in series 2, although the few
    packs I bought did seem to have quite a few rookies (the part
    of the regular set rookies).  Also got a Sandberg All-Star,
    sorta of black marbled boarder with gold lettering, all in
    all not as nice as the award winners imho. 
    
    jeff
    

    Went out at lunch today to pick up the 92 Ultra-Fleer Baseball
    Series II.  After several calls most places only had (1) box of wax
    packs and they were selling from 2.75 each to 3.00 each.  A few
    stores were willing to sell a box prices ranged from 65.00 to
    55.00.  According to the stores their hard to come by and selling
    fast (think I've heard that one before).  The set is a little
    different than series 1, there are 10 Rookie stars and 20 Allstar
    cards simliar to the (Award Winners).  
    
    
                                         Howard
    

    
    Opened 2 boxes of series 2. I got 7 all-stars and 1 all-rookie team in
    each box.
        If you see these rookies at a good price ($2- $5), grab em.
    
    Jim 
    

    I also opened 2 boxes and here is what I got.
    11 All-Rookie Team (5 dups)
    10 All-Stars no dups
    		Wayne
    
    anybody want to trade All Rookie Team Cards?
    

    
    Wayne,
    
    	Don't give those rookies away, I think you got a hold of
    a couple good boxes. Sounds like the box of Ultra a guy I know
    opened, he got 10 Gold Gloves and 5 Gwynn cards. The Gold Gloves
    where the last 5 ( he got 2 of each ), Ripken, Griffey, Sandberg ect.
    
    
    Jim
    

Could someone let me know the price of the ALL Star Mark McGwire Card.
I picked up a few packs and got this one, but haven't seen the price.

Thanks in Advance!

Nancy

	If it's #115 is worth   .50  - 1.00

    Mike, I believe Nancy means the All-Star card #1. Probably 5-8$.
    
    John

    It was good to see Fleer add a couple  more  of  these  insert cards to
    each box. In two boxes I got 19  of  the 30 insert cards with no dupes.
    Beats series I where two boxes yielded me 5 Gwynns and 7 Award Winners.
    Seems like Leaf gives you less Gold Leaf rookies per box this year.  In
    two Series II boxes, I got 9 of the rookies of which one was a dupe.  I
    believe I got the same distribution in Series I. Last year in two boxes
    I got 7 in one and 8 in the other for Series II.
    
    While still a little expensive to complete,  I do like the idea of Leaf
    putting one  "gold"  card per pack.  At least you get a shot at some of
    the big stars and a fighting chance at completing this set.  These gold
    cards are much nicer than those stupid  Topps Gold cards which I really
    couldn't see what the big deal  was  with  them, plus you'd be lucky to
    get one in a box.
    
    Getting back  to  Fleer Ultra though,  I really like their distribution
    and in each of the four boxes I  bought  I  got  a set out of each one.
    These cards aren't cheap  and it's nice to get a set out of a box. Leaf
    on the other hand is atrocious  as  far as distribution goes. Even with
    two boxes I was still three cards  short  of  a  264 card set. At least
    this time,  I hit it big  with  duplicate  stars  (6 Griffey, 4 Thomas,
    5 Clemens etc.), but I had plenty  of  duplicate stiffs too. And in the
    gold cards, I got two of the checklists  and  the Leaf intro card which
    is nice in the black, red and gold.
    
    John

    Someone has asked to buy our second Fleer Ultra Series II set.
    
    Anyone happen to notice the High /Low price in the latest Becketts?
    
    Regards,
    Denny

    From September's Becketts
    
    	1992 Fleer Ultra II
    
    
    		complete set(300)	23.00	38.00
    		common player(301-597)	  .03	  .10	
    		checklists(598-600)	  .05     .15