Conference quark::mennotes-v1

    It's all in one's mind -- you know the saying - you always want what
    you can't have.
    
    When I was in France I went topless on the beach.  Needless to say, I
    didn't feel uncomfortable by men's attitudes there because it was
    accepted and they are used to seeing bared breasts (among other things)
    but if you think I'd go topless in the States or anywhere else for that
    matter ... it would cause a minor stampede, I think.
    
    In certain societies women walk around naked and I'm sure that the men
    in their society don't give it a second thought because it is what they
    grew up with and is accepted.  So breasts being a sexual thing is
    probably just a state of mind dictated by society's mores!
    
    Tammi
    

Considering (many) men's obsession with breasts, whether large or small,
I've always wondered what men would do if women suddenly sprouted 4 or 6
additional breasts, and whether that would be attractive too.  I mean if
you're totally obsessed with something, doesn't more equal better?  Yet,
such abundancy would probably be labelled as freakish.  Undesireable.

Morrissey puts it in perspective when he croons "I want to get my hands 
on your mammary glands."  After all, that's what breasts really are.

Carla

Some men are excited by breasts.  Others aren't.

I'll take a hairy pec anyday, thank you very much.


					--Ger

    
    not matter what size shape or form they are all nice.
    
      to look at
      to touch 
      to .....
    
    yes i like to look at them to boy i guess i'm going straight to he!!
    i'm not going to pass go i'm not going to collect my to hundred dollars
    but i'll bet i'm not going alone.
    
    frank  
     4 motorcycles and still buying more

    Re. -.2 (more is better?)
    
    You're right, Carla, more isn't better.  Back in the days when witches
    (always female) were drowned to prove they weren't witches or burned at
    the stake if they survived the drowning attempt, a third breast was one 
    of the sure signs of a witch.  The third breast could be something as 
    abnormal as an actual third mammary or as normal as a boil or large 
    pimple on the chest.
    
    Karen
    
    (Gosh, did this sound like Cliff Claiborne on "Cheers" or what?)

>>I've always wondered what men would do if women suddenly sprouted 4 or 6


    Gee, if they considered themselves bulls, then they would get 
    excited!

    justme....jacqui

    Its very common here in Oz.  On the beaches 4 out of 5 women are
    topless...unless they are down the road at the nude beach!  Believe me,
    not many of the guys look because they are just everywhere.
    
    ...dale

    
    I always thought that they were installed as balance mechanisms
    to counteract hip motion..

    Over here topless sunbathing is the norm. I've even seen retired
    ladies sunbathing topless!                                     
    
    I look, but never stare. To me drooling, slack-jaws and staring
    are rude and impolite. It is something I would expect little boys
    to do. Similarly, I'd expect little girls to stare at nude men.
    
    The ladies go to the beach for many reasons, but one reason I go 
    is to look at the ladies. However, if you are on a beach where 
    every woman is topless it would require an exceptionally beautiful 
    woman to attract your attention. My wife joins me on the beach,
    no doubt to look at the men.
    
    I wonder what ladies would think if men suddenly started covering
    their nipples, and stopped sunbathing topless....
         

    Now here's a topic I would like to add my 2 cents.
    
    First- as the father of 8 children (Yep that's right eight kids) I have
    watched my wife nurse all of them and marvelled at the wonder of it all
    and the ecnomony and effeciency of nature. So breasts to me have become
    a wonderful, functional accouterment.
    
    Second-some men's pecs seem breast-like.  You know you've seen them.
    As I see it the difference between male and female breasts is really
    shape.  There is a nipple on both, definition on both.  Body builders
    come awfully close in my mind to having breasts. And certain young boys
    who are obese look close enough to me. Female body builders have pecs
    not breasts IMHO.
    
    Third - I have been told that once upon a time in Japan the nape of the
    woman's neck was considered sexual.  And remember Victorian England
    with their "well-trimmed ankles". So I guess in the US we have
    classfied breasts in the same vein.
    
    So, breasts for me are 1)a feature of a female body, 2)similar to males
    3)mainly for nursing 4)overlly focused on as a sexual object.
    
    When I see a woman, I like to focus on the eyes, face, hair.  
    
    My opinion only and I certainly hope noone takes offense at these
    comments.
    
    
    
    

    
    
                ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

    Re:  .0
    
    You asked in the first note "Who made those things a sexual object?
    Men or Women?"
    
    
    My opinion is that GOD made them that way.  Food for thought........
    
    God designed the female body to be hourglass shape but also the design
    was made to change DRASTICALLY during pregnancy.  The abdominal area
    can stretch and stretch to accomodate the new child.
    
    God also designed the breasts with the purpose of feeding the newborn.
    If GOD's only intent for the breasts was to feed newborns, why didn't
    he design them like the abdomen.  He could have left women flatchested
    and the breasts would only swell when milk was needed for a newborn.
    
    I think (my opinion only!!) that God made them for another purpose
    also, to excite men!!  To please the eye, etc.
    
    Thank God for God......
    
    Sandie 
    

    
    Hi Kim,
    
    	I think your boyfriend did offer a pretty good reason,
    	that and your title. I'll be darned if I have any answers
    	though. 
    
    							Hank

    Well...it's a slow news day, so at the risk of being called a
    dirty ol specialist (:*)....the following is presented from a
    'scientific' viewpoint.
    
    Reseachers on this type of thing ( Masters & Johnson fer instance)
    indicate that the breasts are connected into the same part of 
    the nervous system as other erogenous (sp) zones (areas of a
    woman's body that when touched and carressed in the proper manner
    tend to cause sexual excitement in a woman).  They say that
    sensations caused by breast feeding closely resemble those
    of other sexual arousal.  
    
    But also I think that they are 'forbidden fruit' also has something
    to do with it.  In areas of the world where a woman going topless
    is 'normal', this is 'no big deal'.  Also in some areas and religeons 
    a womans face in public is nearly as bad as a woman going topless 
    in our society.
    
    void fred(){};

    RE-1.
    
     Breasts do have some connection to erogenous zones via nervous
    system. When my wife breast fed  our kids she said
    it made her uterous contract as well as giving her a "warm, peacefull"
    feeling. SHe did point out that the feeling was different than when
    we make love (and I pay attention to her breasts).
    The greatest advantage was after having c-sections the contractions
    helped hasten the flushing out of her uterous. 
    
    >What kind of breasts are the best?
    
     All of em!
    
    

    	RE: .19
    
    	As someone who also breast fed (for a long, long time...)
    
    	I would agree about the "warm, peaceful" feeling.  It would also
    	nearly put me to sleep (since I had a habit of taking naps with
    	the baby after nursing during the day.)  Nursing made *both* of
    	us pretty sleepy, as I recall.
    
    	My understanding is that nursing does help the uterus contract
    	to its normal size (when done in the days following delivery.)
    	I don't ever recall feeling it, though.
    
    	Mostly, I remember my eyes drooping (and feeling like taking a
    	nap) while breast feeding. It was a wonderfully relaxing feeling.

    Re .15, if God designed women to be "hourglass shape" then how come
    so few women actually are hourglass shaped??  How come some women
    are shaped like blobs and some women are shaped like straws?  Does
    God have a mean sense of humor?
    
    Lorna
    

    re: .21 by Lorna 

�	 Does God have a mean sense of humor?
    

    Yes She does.   8-)
    

>�	 Does God have a mean sense of humor?
    

 >   Yes She does.   8-)
  
    
    Ahhhh, Now I see the problem........
    
    :-)  

    So, does God have big breasts then ?	8^0
    
    Jerry ...
    

    re.24 'Holy Cow!' takes on a whole new meaning >8-}

As moderator:

Even though the latter replies in this note do not technically break 
rules of using offensive language, they are--in my opinion--in very 
poor taste.  I'm receiving MAIL complaints about them.

Please keep in mind that your writing is viewed by hundreds of Digital
employess of both genders and of multiple lifestyles.  Please try to
be courteous and try to eliminate inferences that you would not make
in a business memo. 

Thank you for your consideration.


						--Gerry

    Twas to be expected......

re: Womans Breasts..what are they?



	Well, when I was a little girl and couldn't swim, I figured
	when I grew up and grew breasts, that they would keep me
	afloat.

	So....I grew up ....and grew breasts.....and I still sink  :-(



	kits

	    

    
    	After an exhausting day yesterday, I arrived home and my wife
    had the TV on in the kitchen. She was making an absolutely incredible
    dried flower wreath, so she was sorta half listening to Oprah.
    
    	Anyway......This woman was talking about her breasts and having
    to pay $75 for a bra. She had 22" waist and a 30" back. More to
    the point(s) she had F cups!!!!!! More amazing.....no sag!!!!! This
    lady was unbelievable. And she had given birth to twins and breast
    fed both in hopes of a reduction in size. No way.
    
    I had to leave to draft my 11-14 yr old girls' softball team so
    I missed the other women's problems.
    
    	Talk about having big toys............
    
    Ken

    re .29, that woman should be shot!
    
    Lorna
    

    re: .30 by Lorna
    
    �    re .29, that woman should be shot!
    
    Which woman, Lorna?
                
    1. The noter's wife,
    
    2. Oprah, or
    
    3. The woman who needs a large bra?
    
    4. Or a combination of the above?
    
    
    And why? 8-)
    
    Bob

    Re .31, the woman who needs the large bra!  Because it's not fair
    that some things should be distributed so unequally in this world!
    
    (altho that's *not* what my current personal names refers to!
    That's just a coincidence!) :-)
    
    Lorna
    

    re: .32
    
    But if things were all distributed equally we'd all be the same.
    
    And I enjoy the differences between people (and between genders).
    
    Bob

    Re .33, I enjoy differences, too.  But, it seems to me that most
    men enjoy large breasts more than small.  It doesn't seem to me
    that most men enjoy both small and large, equally, and appreciate
    the difference!
    
    Lorna
    

	Well, large breasts aren't all that wonderful you know.
	
	When you go to the beach you have to dig two holes under
	your blanket so you can lay on your stomach comfortably.

	Most times you can't button your jacket.

	If you spill something it always ends up on your shirt.

	You bounce when you run.

	You sometimes pop out of your bikini top.


	etc, etc, etc,

 
	    

    Lorna,
    
    Some of us like-em small.  (Me included)  And we appreciate the
    difference.  The smaller they are, the better they are, the more
    appreciation they get.
    
    Alan

    
    
    Funny Puss...I have those very same problems...

    In the context of lovemaking, small breasts have many distinct and
    mutual advantages. However, I think it would be frowned on if I
    went on to discuss these advantages!
    
    Richard.

    Lorna, I know you believe that most (American men, anyway) men 
    are turned on by big boobs, and that when they look at a woman
    that's the thing that turns them on.
    
    I know there are some men who think this. 
    
    Yet, speaking for myself and some males I know with whom I've had 
    discussions about this, I don't think this preference is nearly as
    universal as you may feel.
    
      Alan 

.38 says it all for me...didn't there used to be reference made to champagne
glasses when talking about women's breasts?  

Jim

    
    
    As long as the overflow is caught I guess that's alright...
    

As just another person:

The objectifying language in this note continues to be appalling
("champagne glasses," "toys").  Don't you guys have any buddies to
hang around with and to talk sex-talk with?   Don't you think it would
be more appropriate in a forum in which everyone liked the same kind
of humor and banter, instead of imposing it on people who have already
given you the feedback that it bothers them?   

Heavy sigh.


							--Gerry

 Jerry-

 Champagne glasses has nothing whatsoever to do with objectification. Though I 
agree that the "toys" comment would not have been missed.

 The Doctah

> Champagne glasses has nothing whatsoever to do with objectification. Though I 
>agree that the "toys" comment would not have been missed.

Figures that a gay guy would have misinterpreted that one.  I think I 
know what it means, now.

Sorry.  I think that the "champagne glasses" comment is okay, now.

I hate it when I'm human.  ;-)


							--Ger

    
    Mind drag on the ground and I have calluses on my nipples.....
    

    In regards to breast size, "scientific" resurces indicate that
    smaller breasts are generally more "sensitive".  Not as much 
    fun for the guy but more fun for the woman.  (8^)
    void fred(){}

    
    How would a haddock know?  I have very large soft ones, and they are as
    sensitive as any fried egg lady.....
    

    I said *generally* *&^% it. (8^)
    fred();

Geesh !   Big breasts/small breasts !

	  Sensitive/not sensitive 


	  Maybe we should start a note on the penis

	  Big versus small !   Wide versus narrow ! Long versus short !


	  

    
    
    What can I say.....there's just something about a woman that has
    big ones....
    

RE:< Note 440.45 by TLE::FISHER "Work that dream and love your life" >



>Sorry.  I think that the "champagne glasses" comment is okay, now.

No problem...Yes I was asking a serious (at least not intended to be humorous)
question.


	Jim

    re .48
    
    >How would a haddock know?  
    
    If I told you that, they'd ban me from the conference.  (8^)
    fred();
    

    And, those with straight hair want curly etc etc etc.  
    
    ...dale

 Gina-

 The key to shock value is that the statement must seem out of character or 
at the very least not predictable. Unlike your notes.

 The Doctah

    
    Lighten up doctah....
    

    Gesh Doc..... in the ever mortal words of Bart Simpson....
    "Don't have a cow man!"
    

Despite Gerry's repeated pleas for some modicum of responsibility and
decorum, it seems that this topic is not going anywhere useful or relevant
to this conference.  I have disabled further replies.

				Steve