Conference quark::mennotes-v1

    I think sexy things get us all confuddled because they override our
    outer circuits, our hardwiring, our logic, our rational thought, and
    our common sense by heading right into our soft spots.  And "sexy"
    things vary from person to person and aren't always rational.  That's
    kind of why "sexy" things give us weak spots - we can't defend them -
    we can't explain them - they're sexy because...well....because we think
    they're sexy.  We just respond.  In fact, it's sometimes uncomfortable
    because we can't HELP but respond.  
    
    Yikes!  We're human! 
    
    -Jody
    

>    	But what do we mean by sexy.
    
     We mean tending to arouse prurient interest.
    
>    	Why are sexy "things" sexy.  
    
     They are sexy because they evoke a sexual response. They cause a
    semivoluntary sexual response ranging from perked up interest to out
    and out arousal/sexual tension.
    
>    	WHY do sexy things get us all confuddled?
    
     Well, sex is hardwired into our brains since it is necessary to the
    survival of the species. We are subject to hormones etc which are able
    to affect our feelings and behaviors. There are many times when our
    sexual instincts tell us to do things which we know are not culturally,
    socially, or morally acceptable. When we arrive at a situation where
    our body tells us to do one thing but our mind tells us to do something
    else, we are confused, frustrated, "confuddled."
    
     Fighting instinctual feelings is a major cause of stress. We may meet
    someone who we'd love to get into bed, but we know we cannot (for
    whatever reason). Such a situation causes unresolved feelings- which
    can be unhealthy when not properly addressed.
    
     A key aspect of sexiness is that it is completely subjective. This is
    helpful for propagation of the species. (It also helps keep those of us
    who are imperfect from being alone our whole lives. :-) :-)
    
     The Doctah

    -1
    
    >>>.0>    	WHY do sexy things get us all confuddled?

    >>>	Lack of blood in the brain.
    
    Or too much blood in other areas...
    
    -dwight

    re .5, (is chono::randall really Bonnie R S?)
    
    >      -< Isn't the correct word "twitterpated"?  :) >-
    
    Someone's toddler has asked for Bambi a few too many times on the VCR,
    looks like ;-).
    
    DougO

    
    If I knew what prurient meant I'm sure I would agree.
    
    Let's put it this way.
    Why is the picture of Marilyn Monroe's white dress billowing around
    her waist, in one of her films, so popular. Some men I know say
    it's sexy. But why?
    Why are strippers so popular, all they are doing is undressing!
    As far as I know I'm not a pervert, I just want to know what it
    is about bikini's, stockings, pouting lips etc etc etc etc...
    
    Dave

re: .6

Close.  My kindergartener has been playing the Bambi record nonstop for
the last six weeks.

Yes, this is Bonnie Randall Schutzman.  From my spiffy workstation instead
of from the big cluster.

And I'm looking forward to seeing the real answers to the questions in .7.  
Why some things and not others?

--bonnie

    An example comes to mind.  In this case it's an example of the "what
    you have to imagine" is more exciting than what you don't.  A skirt
    with a slit to mid-thigh is sometimes more interesting (gets the
    attention more than) a micro mini skirt.
    
    I suppose that might be similar to the "billowing skirt" pic.
    
    ed

I am interested in exploring aspects of myself with the attitude that if I find
something that I feel uncomfortable about, then if I explore it further I might
be able to resolve or change. Yes, I might look foolish to some along the way
(even in the end), but I'm willing to take the risk, and it might even help to
have reactions rather than none.

This month I noticed the Spiegel Catalogue had arrived and my wife hadn't yet
gotten to it. I figured I'd take a look, just to see if there was anything
interesting. It seems to be all women's clothing, but I was in for a surprise.
At least once ever 3 pages or so, there is a women posing with a steamy gaze,
or with her blouse buttons open or with her hand against her inner thigh. I
was rather surprised that it went as far as it did. I think these women are
being sexy, or maybe suggestive.

I find breathy voices sexy. Also women who stare up at the camera (panting,
with rosy cheeks) during the TV aerobic workout shows.

Better get back to work...

Prurient--Characterized by or arousing an interest in sexual matters.

(I wanted to look it up; I wasn't sure of its exact meaning.)


							--Ger

    re: what is it about these things that arouses a sexual response?
    
     Well, for one thing, sexuality is mostly hinted at therein. While it
    might be titillating to look at sexually explicit photographs for a
    while, (I'm talking the ones with gynecological candor) seeing it all
    laid out quickly becomes boring as it eliminates the need for
    imagination. What is better is provocative enticements rather than
    clinical explicitness.
    
     re: .8
    
>                         -< what do men really want? >-
    
     Yikes! That could be a very long subject in itself!!! :-)
    
>Why some things and not others?
    
     Each of us is stimulated by a different subset of stimuli. Some of us
    can be stimulated by all 5 senses, others only by one or two of them.
    Another thing to remember is that not only are different people
    stimulated by different things, but the same people are stimulated by
    different things at different times, and the same people are stimulated
    to different degrees by the same things at different times. It all goes
    back to a stimulus that triggers a release of hormones. These stimuli
    change in each person on both short and long term cycles.
    
     The Doctah

    Ok thanks Ger..but doesn't that relate to the source of interest
    rather than the observer?
    
    I like women with French accents, I don't know why. When I 'phone
    colleagues in France and I talk to a woman I have no idea what she
    looks like, but her voice gets to me.
    Women with big brown eyes are another weakness. If I ever manager
    a group of brown eyed, French ladies I'll be putty in their hands.
    But, I have no intention of being unfaithful to my wife, no other
    woman would make me do that.
    
    Is "sexy" merely admiration of something attractive ?
    
    Dave
    

re:  .7 [nashd]
    
>>>>Why is the picture of Marilyn Monroe's white dress billowing around her
waist, in one of her films, so popular. Some men I know say it's sexy. But why?

Hey Dave!  I have this picture over my desk at work!  Seriously!  Why is it
sexy?  Because it turns me into stone??  Because it perks me up??  Because she
never says "No."  Because I like legs??  Because she looks so soft, smooth, and
luscious?? 

Yes to all the above.

>>>Why are strippers so popular, all they are doing is undressing! 

Yea.  But it's different.  It's not like watching your wife, (not that I have),
undress.

-dwight

    Doesn't it also matter how the person feels about him/her self?  I
    dressed up last Friday night and I *felt* sexy...  Now, I don't know
    whether I looked it or not, but I felt it.. and I think it was
    portrayed through how I was confident in what I was wearing and how I
    looked... I think the "air" of confidence is quite apparent a lot of
    times, and that is what helps in the *sexy* look...

    Gale

    Re:  Gale,

    I thought you were "perky" looking but didn't consider your outfit
    to have been "sexy" looking!  8*)  You bounced around like you were
    really having a ball.



    Re:  Sexy

    Sexy is a funny, ambiguous term.  Sexy is many different things to
    many different people.  One can get really blown away in an instant
    for the least significant thing.

    BTW....does anyone remember the LEVI's poster of the guy with the
    sunglasses in a squatting position......that ad....WOW!!!  By the
    same token, some of the Calvin Klein ads are lacking in clothes and
    still come off as sensual.  Is there a difference between sensual
    and sexy????  Might be good to explore.

    justme....jacqui    

    
    

>I dressed up last Friday night and I *felt* sexy...
    
     And I missed it! Drat! :-)
    
    The Doctah

    	Are clothes essential for sexiness?  
    	Why can a person not be sexy in any clothes? 
    	Is the voice important?  	What about the walk? 
                                        
    	Why do we go weak when we see stockings, when the same lady
    	wearing some shorts may go past unnoticed?  How many women are
    	raped in nudist camps?
        
    	One day I'll understand, until then someone talk to me...
    	Dave
    

re: .14

>>>>>Why are strippers so popular, all they are doing is undressing! 
>>
>>Yea.  But it's different.  It's not like watching your wife, (not that I have),
>>undress.

This is interesting.  Do you mean that there's a way of undressing that's
sexy, and a way that's mundane?  Or that undressing in public is sexy
while your wife's undressing at home could never be sexy?

--bonnie

.19>    How many women are raped in nudist camps?



	 It's virtually nonexistant.

	 k

    To me, sexiness is about attitude, about someone who is comfortable
    with their own sensuality, and unafraid of expressing it. They are
    comfortable within themselves, as people. Pictures or images that
    reflect that are sexy to me. There has to be a quality of a real,
    spirited person there, a presence of some kind. The quality of
    warmth is important, as well. (or of heat?%^)
    
    By the way, I've met pretty women who seemed very unsexy, or sexless,
    perhaps, and other women who would not necessarily described as
    pretty who had a very sexy quality about them. It really is about 
    attitude.
    
    -roger
    

re:  .20  [randall]

>>>This is interesting.  Do you mean that there's a way of undressing that's
sexy, and a way that's mundane?  Or that undressing in public is sexy while
your wife's undressing at home could never be sexy?

Yes to the first question and No to the second.

-dwight

PS:  There is an art form to "stripping."  An art that's not familiar to most
     women.  As others have noted, certain suggestive gestures make the
     difference, but you're aware of this, eh?

	 Sexiness is an attitude.

	 I can wear the lace stockings, the mini-skirt and the spikes.

	 If I don't have the sexy attitude, I won't be protrayed as
	 sexy.  If I do, I am.....I can tell a BIG difference when I
	 have the attitude and when I don't.


	 kath

    Kath,
    Can you not conjure up the sexy feeling wearing jeans and a T-shirt?
    
    I watch my wife undress and it's great, but am I interpreting the
    sexiness as a prelude to something better? Is that what sexiness
    is, intimation, either deliberately(strippers) or not (well dressed ladies) 
    that something more enjoyable will follow.
    It would explain why nudist camps don't illicit sexual responses,
    everybody knows that nothing sexual will happen.
                                 
    Would this theory work for ladies, I wonder? Is all we men have
    to do is make the ladies in our lifes think they are lusted after
    by us in order for us to be "sexy".
                                       
    Although, my wife in stockings looks good, when I wear just socks
    she laughs 8*)
    
    Dave
    
    PS:If I ever manager a group of brown eyed, women with nice accents,
    who dress well, are clean I'd never get any work done!
    PS: I'd never resign either!
    

As a practiceing nudist I can say that the thought never crosses my mind
at naturist (<-prefered term) gatherings. I find the clothed or partly clothed
female far more stimulating.
For me a well rounded tush and full lips are damned sexy.
 
I have heard of rape cases in nudist camps as well as molestation however
I'm sure the numbers are well below the national average. Almost all of
the camps do screening on each visitor before allowing membership.

back to the subject...

-j

    re .13
    
    I agree ... in high school we had an exchange student from France
    for a year.  Ugly as dirt, but she had a voice that would melt steel.
    I think she could have read the phone book out loud and disturbed
    young hormones !
    
    
    					Scary

    "Sexy" (to me) is personal preference.  Some men go for career girls
    in business suits ... some go for soft spoken country girls ...
    some go for blondes with big EYES, etc.  My wife thinks I'm sexy
    when I'm playing my guitar with my band.  I've seen pictures and
    I can't see where she gets this from, but who am I to argue with
    her !   8^)
    
    
    				Scary

    I think sexy is ..... sensually perceived potential.
    
    Not only do you perceive (see, hear, whatever) something, but you link
    that something to its potential to bring you more.
    
    The curve of a person's back......invites touch
    The purr of a person's voice......makes you wonder what it
    	would sound like if.....
    The movement of a breathing chest makes you wonder what it
    	would look like if.....
    The flash of fire in the eyes makes you wonder what's going
    	on in their mind......
    
    Sexy things sometimes seem "naughty" - fishnets, spiked heels, bright
    red lingerie, an open invitation, the slow - seductive - removal of
    every single piece of clothing - the motion of dancing that's lead with
    the hips and shoulders......and "naughty" things are enticing in and of
    themselves, and people who tend to do "naughty" things may want to do
    more "naughty" things (of course, they may not - but the perception is
    often there that they might)....
    
    -Jody
    

>    <<< Note 425.28 by PEKING::NASHD "Whatever happened to Capt. Beaky?" >>>

>    Can you not conjure up the sexy feeling wearing jeans and a T-shirt?

         Certainly can, and have.  But there are certain clothes that
         I do wear when I feel sexy and others that I wear when I
         don't want to.  I wear my baggy jeans when I don't want to
         feel sexy, I would never DREAM of wearing them when I wanted
         to feel sexy, I'd wear the more form-fitting Guess jeans.

         But, I should say, that I've felt sexy before in sweats and
         flannel....

	 Sexy is not so much a way of dress, but rather an attitude.

	 kath
    

>     <<< Note 425.31 by ASAHI::SCARY "Joke 'em if they can't take a ..." >>>

>    when I'm playing my guitar with my band.  I've seen pictures and
>    I can't see where she gets this from, but who am I to argue with
>    her !   8^)


	 Well, FWIW...I'd agree with her on that one.  The picture I
	 have in my office of ya'all, you look sexy.  Might have
	 something to do with the long hair, spandex and black/white
	 photo, though!

	 kath

Hm, interesting, Kath.

I often feel my sexiest in a sweater, baggy jeans, work boots, and a
layer of sweat from yard work.  I feel strong then, competent, close
to the earth -- and more like sex.  I tend not to feel sexy in traditionally
sexy clothing, like stockings and clinging skirts, because I feel out of
place in them.  I feel like I'm playing a role that isn't a good one for
me.  

But as Dave pointed out in .28, the main thing that makes me feel sexy
is having a man (preferably my own man) looking at me with desire.  

Getting sweaty together -- working together, a long bike ride -- then 
climbing into a nice warm soapy shower together and scrubbing each other -- 
and then adjourning to the bedroom -- now that's sexy.  (And hard to do
with the kids around.  Sigh.)

--bonnie

    Gappy teeth and a sort of vague "just what is going on here?"
    expression are very sexy.  As are wit, naturally pale or naturally dark
    skin, lust, hair that isn't paid much attention to, height, leather,
    curiosity, sweatshirts and black jeans, brown eyes, dancing, short
    nails, alto voices, I'd better stop...
    
    Why are they sexy?  Geez, isn't it obvious? (: >,) 
    
    Actually, some of these cues reveal that I went through adolescence in
    the mid-'70s.  In those halcyon days of '60s-afterglow (or hangover),
    "sexy" meant "convenient for sex".  So a carefully arranged hairdo was
    not sexy, and loose easily sheddable clothing was.  Yeah, I know, we
    had no sense of style.
    
    As already seen, you won't get a consensus on this topic.  The
    swimsuit-issue and Playboy airbrushed plucked freezing models leave me
    unmoved, and so does "tasteful" makeup.  Stranger still, for some
    reason that I don't understand, Tuesday Weld is not the highest paid
    star in the world today...
    
    Some of the other comments in this topic remind me of my favorite
    Thurber and White quote, their definition of "love" as "that pleasant
    confusion which we know exists".
    
    Ray

    Let's see if I understand all this:
    
    1. The subjects (!) of the term sexy vary enormously.
    2. It's not necessary for someone else to be around for a person
    to feel sexy.
    
    Experiencing something "sexy" makes me feel really good, and then I 
    start to analyze the reaction. If I'm looking at a picture, I tell 
    myself it's a 2 dimensional object that I'm leering at and that kills 
    and sexy feelings. I just laugh at myself then. Tha same reaction with
    films.  What I'd like to know is what my senses are telling my brain
    when I see a sexy lady ( who is Tuesday Weld anyway ?)
    
    For the record, I like the "fire in the eyes" or as Bob Seger put
    it ,"the fire down below".  Yep, has to be the eyes. Even pictures
    of them , dammit, why is my pulse rate rising. I'm only thinking
    about a long dead lady, Marilyn Monroe.
    
    I do not define as sexy women who:
    - wear dirty clothes
    - don't wash
    - don't wear perfume even a little deoderant helps
    - confuse manners with sexual discrimination 
    - self centred
    
    But, a lady glistening is seductive. Don't matter what she's wearing, 
                                         
    I'm just as confused as ever, this'll do for now.
    
    Dave

    Well, I disagree a little bit.
    
    sometimes a little sweat, and a little dirt, are sexy, too.
    
    sometimes natural odors are better than artificial odors (perfumes).
    
    sometimes cleanliness is, well, boring.
    
    This only shows that "sexy" is endlessly subjective, and varied.
    
    And variety is, as they say.....
    
    -roger
    

    	My wife finds that Tom Cruise's smile and facial expression
    are sexy. Same with George Michael. Steven Segal's hair.
    
    	My mother-in-law thinks that large men (Wm. Conrad - ie:Cannon)
    are sexy.                                               
    
    	Sexy is the perception of the person at the time of the thought.
    I've seen two women walking together at this site. Both attractive.
    One wearing a beautiful skirt w/white silk blouse. The other wearing
    skin tight jeans, a crew neck shirt w/a bit of teddy lace showing.
    Both elicit a response and but the tease of the lace offers a bit
    of forbidden fruit.....8^)
    
    Ken
    
    	

    Sexy to me is whatever causes me to have to get my primeval chemical
    balance re-calibrated.  Usually translates into long hair and just
    the right amount of round in just the right places.  Tight-fitten'
    jeans don't hurt either.
    
    To each his own, though.  Back during my street running days,
    you'd be surprised at what would flip some people's switch.
    
    fred();

    
    Some time back we were talking about strippers being sexy, tight
    jeans, loose jeans, smiles, hair, etc.
    
    For me 'sexy' means something that triggers an image/response in
    me. The *something* is also not deliberate on the part of the person
    who is sexy. My sexy might not be your sexy.
    
    'Erotic' is the deliberate attempt to trigger an image or response.
    Therefore, strippers are trying to be erotic. Even porn movies are
    erotic in that they are attempting to elicit a specific  response.
    
    I personally think long hair (Crystal Gale turns me to putty), a
    woman in a skirt who can walk with that special swing, some voices,
    my wife when she is undressing (because she is not deliberately
    trying to be sexy....sometimes when she has tried to strip it has
    been funnier than erotic, but the laughing was sexy) are particularly
    sexy.
    
    So sexy is very personal. I like what I like.
    
    Roger 

    Ok lads, how about diverging for a while, to a topic that may help
    the opposite sex.  Let's have a consensus of what is sexy.
    
    For me, most women that I've seen wearing stockings wear them by
    their knees, about as sexy as pop-socks!
    
    A woman must have pride in herself, shyness or confidence doesn't
    matter. Some overweight(NOT fat) women can be sexy. Being too thin
    is a no-no. Quiet self-confidence, a good dress sense, a mature
    attitude(which can happen in an 18 year old or 80 year old as physical
    age is immaterial to maturity, IMHO) all help. It also means wearing
    make up as and when necessary, but it is not mandatory.
    Other points, the walk must be mmmmmmm, the eyes must beguile.
    That'll do for now from me,
    Dave

�    Ok lads, how about diverging for a while, to a topic that may help
�    the opposite sex.  Let's have a consensus of what is sexy.
    
    Since my libido disagrees with yours on 10 out of 12 points (if I was
    counting right), it seems unlikely.
    
    Anyway, I've found that my lists go out the window when it comes to
    actual relationships.
    
    (I've also found that the opposite sex often fails to appreciate all
    this work we put into helping it... (: >,)
    
    Ray

    'sexy' is a smile that isn't part of a plan, it just happens

    
    >(I've also found that the opposite sex often fails to appreciate all
    >this work we put into helping it... (: >,)
     
    Some of us really do appreciate it though......:-)
    And hopefully it works both ways....
    
    'gail
    

>    Ok lads, how about diverging for a while, to a topic that may help
>    the opposite sex.  Let's have a consensus of what is sexy.
    
Okay, but I don't know how it is going to help the opposite sex.  ;-)
Good luck with the consensus.  Sometimes voting comes in handy.


Nonphysical things that are sexy to me:
======================================

A cowboy hat; a bomber jacket; a smirk; uniforms; cowboy boots; a 
swagger; a peasant shirt; boxer shorts; an arm band around the bicep; 
tank tops; a barely visible, sleeveless tee shirt under a dress shirt 
and tie.   


Physical things that are sexy to me:
===================================

Mustaches, dark hair (combined with blue eyes!), hairy chests, big
hairy forearms, the little triangle of hair at the base of a man's
back, a square jaw, a line of hair running up the stomach to the
chest, a deep voice, and height combined with beefy weight. 


Sexiest commercial (to me):
==========================

That Miller Genuine Draft TV commercial that shows the cowboy boots of
the guy walking into the diner on a hot day.  The jukebox starts up
without anyone turning it on, playing, "Put a Spell on You."  The
waitress, sweating, asks what he wants.  The camera shows only his
forearm and pointing finger, as he orders a Miller Genuine Draft.  "I
thought you'd say that," she says with a smirk.  He finishes and 
leaves; the jukebox stops as soon as he leaves.

Ooooo!  I could use a cold shower right now...   ;-)


							--Ger

    OK, Ger ok .  
    
    I guess this whole thing could dry up without a resolution.
    
    IMHO:
    
    1. Too many confuse erotic with sexy.
    2. People consider something is sexy if they percieve it as bringing
    them another step closer to an orgasm.
    
    

    
>    1. Too many confuse erotic with sexy.

I did this for my own knowledge.  These definitions are from the 
American Heritage Dictionary:


Erotic  1) Of, concerning, or tending to arouse sexual desire; 
        2) Dominated by sexual desire.

Sexy    Arousing or intending to arouse sexual desire or interest.


They sound like near synonyms to me.  I suppose if you take
connotation into consideration (instead of strict dictionary
definitions), the connotation of erotic is "sexy +", a very high level
of sexiness, getting to a point of excitement that is much closer 
toward "having sex."

If people "confuse" erotic with sexy, I think that's very 
understandable.  It's just a difference of a few degrees of heat.


						--Gerry

    
    I've read this whole conference, and I can't believe no one has 
    mentioned the sexiest man alive!!!   MEL GIBSON...
    
    WHY!?   he's got the look!  'LETHAL' definately lethal!!!
    
    his face is so masculine, strong jaw line (I LOVE that), serious, sexy
    eyes, nice full hair, that breath taking Austrailan accent.  Coy
    playfull smile, beautiful teeth, PERFECT, he's just perfect!!
    
    His body isn't 'overbuilt', he looks great in jeans, and a tee shirt
    with a red flannel over it.. I love the "lumberjack outdoors look"..
    work boots and not TOO much hair on the chest.  Oh, and lets not 
    forget to meniton those 'back pockets' on his Levis'!!!!  *(SIGH)*
    
    My friend at work here has a HUGE promo poster of the Lethal Weapon 2
    on the wall.   It's so life like... it's GREAT seeing HIM everyday!!!
     
    	I HAVE TO GO NOW!!!!!
    
    						-=[SANDY]=-
    

	I don't feel it's necessarily how a man looks (his
	physical appearance) that projects sexiness.

	To me it's something that comes from the inside...
	maybe it's a sense of *I'm okay, you're okay*, or
	maybe just that he feels secure about himself...it's
	a special light in his eyes, a certain kind of walk
	and the way he carries himself....that projects
	sexy to me.



	kits    

    
    Its what people see on TV and in the popular culture that
    give many people their cues on what is sexy and what is
    not. 

    re:  .46
    
    Hey Gerry,
    
    I think you and I go for the same types!!!  #:-)
    Mmmmm!  I think that Miller's commercial is great!
    
    -Dotti.

    Anybody seen the Dolly Parton music video where she's
    screening a bunch of guys on the stage for (?) and
    gets a bunch of goofballs ?
    
    Tune is something to the effect of "Why'd you come in here
    lookin' like that?"

    Anyone seen the film 9 1/2 weeks with Kim Basinger and what's-his-name.
    
    Now, I don't normally like Ms Basinger, but in that film...
    especially when Joe Cocker provides the backing music ;-)
    
    

    Robert:
    
    >Its what people see on TV and in the popular culture that
    >give many people their cues on what is sexy and what is
    >not. 
    
    This is a very good point. Many people are programable by the
    mass media, which is why so much money is spent on advertising.
    Others conform to those cues in order to get the progammed
    response that they want.
    
    -roger
    
                                                                 

>    <<< Note 425.54 by PEKING::NASHD "Whatever happened to Capt. Beaky?" >>>

>    Anyone seen the film 9 1/2 weeks with Kim Basinger and what's-his-name.


	 "What's-his-name"????!!!!????!!!  I'm CRUSHED!  That's Mickey
	 Rourke and *only* one of the sexiest men on the screen!!!!!!
	 Whew!

	 <pitter patter, pitter patter>  :-)

	 kath

    I read an article about "9 1/2 Weeks" in which Kim Bassinger stated
    that working with Mickey Rourke was like kissing an ashtray.
    

    Sexiest man in the world - Bruce Springsteen (see "Dancing in the
                                                  Dark" video)
    
    Sexiest woman in the world - Kim Basinger (see previously mentioned
                                               "9 1/2 Weeks" strip-tease)
    
    I agree that physical appearance is not always a determining factor,
    though.  For example, Ted Danson is good looking, but not sexy,
    to me, while Keith Richards, while not being goodlooking (and some
    say homely as hell), is to me, a very sexy man.  Part of what makes
    a person appear sexy is what the combination of their appearance,
    personality and actions, inspire you to imagine about them.
    
    I also agree with .43, when it comes to real relationships my lists
    go out the window.
    
    Some things I find sexy about men:  broad shoulders, a body with
    no fat but not too skinny, nice smile, nice well-kept, long hair, beards and
    moustaches, casual dress especially tight jeans, an earring, long
    eye lashes, British accents, wit, left-wing political views, being
    a musician    (except for the beard I think I just described the
    2nd sexiest man in the world - Bono!) :-)
    
    Lorna
    

    From my wife:
    
    The sexiest man in the world, according to my wife , is Mel Gibson
    (Am I crushed !!!!!). She reckons HE has the sexy eyes, a wonderful
    body, a velvet voice and gorgeous hair. Apart from that lot he's
    just like you and me, quite ordinary.
    
    

The sexiest man in the world is Nick Nolte.

...but Bruce and Mel (and Sean Connery) are right up there!


					--Ger

>     <<< Note 425.61 by TLE::FISHER "Work that dream and love your life" >>>


>The sexiest man in the world is Nick Nolte.



	 Hummm....Ger!  I KNEW you had taste!  :-)  Hubba hubba!

	 kat

    As a RON in this file I just had to add my 2cents worth.
    
                         Kevin Costner just *is*
    
    ....dale (down under and all woman)

    Referring to the comments about Kim Basinger, Joe Cocker and 9 1/2
    weeks; I watched a video last weekend, "My Stepmother is an alien".
    Ms Basinger gets to do a rather erotic dance, IMHO every bit as
    good as her routine in 9 1/2 weeks. Now to me that is described
    as erotic. And Dan Akroyed (sp?), her partner in bed, does just
    the sort of thing most of us males would do under similiar
    circumstances!
    
    Anyone else seen the film?
    Dave

Yes and I agree that is pretty hot that whole scene had me laughing so
hard I had to rewind it and see it again ;^)

-j

    re: .65
    
    Dave, thanks for the tip!  I'll rent this one for sure now!
    
    -dwight

    
    a woman wearing alot of black is pure sex.
    
    theres a woman here who wears black everyday with long black hair
    and i have to say she is the sexiest looking woman i've seen in a long
    time and the best part is she is for real not some actress doing a 
    part she cares herself better than any other woman i've seen in a
    long time and it is natural every time i see her i she always gets
    a wow from inside if she could only read my mind
    
    she is in marlboro but that is all in info i will give out

A  woman six foot or tall with long beautiful legs. Love them legs.

Phil

>       <<< Note 425.68 by HPSTEK::CONTRACTOR "Take a Mental Margarita" >>>

    
>    a woman wearing alot of black is pure sex[y]


	 I added the 'y' at the end of sex, because I agree with that
	 statement...I don't agree when the work "sex" is used,
	 though.


	 I have this black dress.  It's long, almost to my ankles.
	 full skirt, high neck, long sleeves.  Nothing "revealing"
	 about it.  And I've had to quit wearing it to work because of
	 the comments I get about it and about how "sexy" I look.

	 Don't get me wrong, I LOVE being sexy, but not at work...I
	 like being a professional at work.

	 I wear black most all the time...and, yes, it's what I would
	 have to say THE most sexiest color on person.\

	 A man all in black......wow.

	 kath
    

    
    sorry kath for not putting the y on it i really meant sexy and
    not to sound crude.
    but black is my weakness and i'm sure you look great in that black
    dress but i think a woman can feel sexY at work and look sexY 
    its up to other people to keep some thoughts to themselves
    
    frank

    G'Day,
    
    Re: .70 (Kath)
    
    >  A man all in black......wow.
    
    Hey, guess what I'm wearing today????
    
    David.
    

>          <<< Note 425.72 by GIDDAY::WALES "David from Down-under" >>>
>                    -< Black is great and make it leather >-


	 Oh yes, please DO make it leather! ;-)


	 Just bought another black dress today.....I think I'll wear
	 it to work tomorrow......and on my date tomorrow night. ;-)

	 kath

    kath
    
    I've a picture of david wales in my desk awaiting photos 
    for a =wn= albumn
    he is cute..
    bonnie

    RE: black...
    
    I agree.. I have a black leather skirt, that when I wear it....
    
    Guys and their mode of dress...
    
    I go extremely weak knee'd for guys in a well fitting pin stripe
    wool-blended suit, with a nice power tie (maybe I should visit wall
    street more often :-)....)
    
    And put a guy in a Tux...  WoW!....

    
>    >  A man all in black......wow.

Particularly blonds.  Blonds like Nick Nolte, for instance.


						--Ger    

>    <<< Note 425.74 by WMOIS::B_REINKE "if you are a dreamer, come in.." >>>

    
>    I've a picture of david wales in my desk awaiting photos 
>    for a =wn= album
>    he is cute..


	 Well, I've been "informed" that I had better put a picture in
	 that album before it goes on it's merry way.

	 Should that be in the black dress, david? Or in leather?

	 kath

    
>>    >  A man all in black......wow.
>
>Particularly blonds.  Blonds like Nick Nolte, for instance.


	 Ger, remind me not to go man-watching with you...I have the
	 feeling we'd be fighting over 'em.  ;-)

	 kath

Come on guy's black is good? But, I prefer lighter colors on a woman,
pastels. When I see a girl in a light summer dress well tanned body
I have to slow down my pacemaker...

Black to me means the woman is'nt a fun person to be with I maybe wrong.
Its such a serious color. Police wear it, priest wear it, nuns wear it,
way to serious for me.

Sorry girls, just another mans opinion.

Phil

>     <<< Note 425.80 by FTMUDG::RAYER "You were my only cuddly toy.(sp)" >>>

>Black to me means the woman is'nt a fun person to be with I maybe wrong.
>Its such a serious color. Police wear it, priest wear it, nuns wear it,
>way to serious for me.
	 
	 
         Hahaha...I think the men in here that have met me will attest
	 to the fact that I'm definitely a fun person.....

		......despite the black!  ;-)

         Seriously, though.  Black is quite often an attempt to break
         the kinds of stereotypes that you have just mentioned.  Janet
         Jackson is wearing black on her entire tour this year as a
         statement that black is not "bad" but that black is just a
         color like any other color.

	 Wearing black is a statement that I am different.  That I am
	 secure in who and what I am and that I don't need to dress a
	 certain way and act a certain way to be accepted and
	 respected.

	 kath

Okay you guy's at the Rock lets hear it from you. Does Kathy really look
good in black? How sexist men can be.

I personally think Colorado has the most beatiful and intelligent women
in Digital. Somebody want to top that one. 

Phil

    Thank you - Phil!
    
    We appreciate your support.  :-)
    
    Nanci

>    >  A man all in black......wow.
>
>Particularly blondes.  Blondes like Nick Nolte, for instance.
>
>
>	 Ger, remind me not to go man-watching with you...I have the
>	 feeling we'd be fighting over 'em.  ;-)

I would give you first crack at all of 'em, Kath.  A good man-watching 
partner is far more valuable than a quick...err...nevermind.


							--Ger

I vote for LKG in Littleton MA as having the sexiest men.

(ZKO in Nashua NH ain't bad, either.)


						--Ger

re:
    <<< Note 425.78 by SSDEVO::GALLUP "Go Wildcats....or is that Wildkat?" >>>
-< BTW Ihave the black dress on and got mega comments. >-

>   Should that be in the black dress, david? Or in leather?

Well, if I may offer a suggestion, or make a request:  =wn= 911.53 is
quite more than acceptable.  And, ahh, don't worry about the 20 lbs, that's
purely superficial.

ed

Black is a dramatic color, so it commands your attention.  Red and white are
also dramatic, but white often lacks the necessary contrast with its
surroundings.  Once someone has your attention you're certain to notice how
they carry themselves which is the essence of sexiness.

    
    Red, ah, now there is a color.  It raises the blood pressure actually
    and this has been proven in medical tests.  Red and all members of the 
    red/purple family.........  
    
    Red lingerie is very very sexy.......
    

    
    RE; -1   Red hair on a tall, lean lady......
    
    Paul C.

    
    Well my blood pressure just blew right off the scale..

RE:< Note 425.88 by KEEPER::GAGNON "UOB! Your Worst Nighmare!! It lives!!!" >


    
   > Red, ah, now there is a color.  It raises the blood pressure actually
   > and this has been proven in medical tests.  Red and all members of the 
   > red/purple family.........  
    
   >  Red lingerie is very very sexy.......
    

   There you go...there are times when I feel it should be illegal for a woman
to wear red (just kidding folks!).  A woman wearing read (dress, shoes, 
lipstick, fingernail polish, lingerie) can knock me off of my feet.


Jim

    Red 5" heels - even if worn with a sweat suit !	8^)
    
    True, these thing may not be too comfortable on the ladies feet - but,
    if they work like they're supposed to they won't stay on them too long.
    
    Plus, ya gotta have good looking feet too.  Ever see a gorgeous pair of
    shoes, hiding a pair of hideous feet ?
    
    
    				Scary
    
    	            (an admitted foot/leg man ...)

I have seen Kath's black dress( If it is the same one..) and it is very nice!

-j

    honest question - do personality or brains count for anything - or only
    if they're accompanied by looks?
    
    -Jody
    

    awww, come on Jody, you *know* looks count more than personality
    OR brains!  It's an age-old phenomenon!  

    justme....jacqui

    All else being equal, I'd be more attracted to the good-looking woman
    every time.
    
    
    
    ...but I've never seen everything else equal!
    
    Edd

Jody>    honest question - do personality or brains count for anything - or only
Jody>    if they're accompanied by looks?


	 Well, I don't normally consider someone "sexy" based on their
	 brain/personality.

	 That's a factor in attractiveness not sexiness (at least for
	 me).

	 If I see a guy walking down the street that I think is the
	 absolute sexiest man I've seen in a lifetime......how am I
	 supposed to know if he's got a great personality and is
	 intelligent?

	 I also might add that to me looks isn't the major contributor
	 to sexiness.  Attitude/stance is.  If he's got that "look" in
	 his eyes and if he's standing "just so", I'll melt.

         And I would hazard a guess that some (het) men in here would
         agree that a woman who is obviously uncomfortable in a mini
         and heels.....and in a raunchy mood is probably not near as
         sexy as a woman with a sure gait, her head held high and a
         smile on her face wearing the same clothes the other woman
         was wearing.
	 
	 So, no...for me, brains have nothing to do with being sexy.
	 Personality....uhmmm.....maybe....


	 kath

>    honest question - do personality or brains count for anything - or only
>    if they're accompanied by looks?

 I asked this same question in another conference but I worded it differently.
Basically, few people want to admit that looks are the primary criterion, but
observing behavior seems to bring that out.

 The Doctah

    I know for me the "looks" have to be there...  but then again, my
    definition of looks might be very different than any one elses...
    
    Also, personality will win someone over to me faster than anything...
    
    

Really what is sexy in a woman?

This could mean anything depending on the woman. Some women there eyes might 
turn you on, some there shape, some there legs, some have a super personality,
and then some there intelligent. I think it would depend upon
me at the moment.

When I was young footloose and fancy free, any one of the above would turn me 
on at any given time. Now that I married and not looking it would take a hell
of a woman to make me change my ways.

That does'nt mean we cant all look, and enjoy. But I stiil like a good set of 
legs.

Phil
 

    I read an exerpt from Dolores French's book 'Working' where
    she said that black definitely won out over red in 'the profession'.
    
    For me...
    
    smiles, intense blue/green eyes, love of music
    
    electric presence across a room
    
    B

    in re .102
    
    does personality ever open the door and then one's definition
    of looks change?
    
    B

re.104
It has for me. I once met a woman that was not my opinion of attractive upon 
first meeting but after time and getting to know her I thought she was one
of the most beautiful women I have/had ever met and it was her personality
that made the change in my opinion.

-j

    Re: .104
    
    The large number of "network romances" where the two involved have
    never even seen each other indicates that personalities must at
    least open some doors.
    
    				Steve

    re. 107  (mike_z)
    
    I know what you mean, but (and not talking YOU personally), that's
    a shame. It sounds like one without an "attractive" (quotes are
    because I suppose that definition varies) appearance might as resign
    themselves to never being given a chance.
    
    I'm not really goodlooking (I don't think so...), BUT I have the
    fortunate incidence to encounter one of those "network" romances
    .106 mentioned.  Personality (and in this case, voice ;) won out
    a lot -- I happened to have the good fortune that the gentlman on
    the other end turned out to be an attractive gent (in my own not
    very humble at all opinion) as well.  OH, I do admit that I have
    been known to look at attractive men and ogle a bit, and think,
    "gee, I'd like to meet them".  But, having learned from the other
    end of the fence that to have that "opening of the door" based entirely
    on looks isn't a pleasant thing, I know I would never do that to
    another person.  Looks is nice, but there has to be SOMETHING else
    more substantial to make me crack the door open a bit.  
    
    Still, what I wish and what happens are two different things.  Human
    beings are very visual creatures - it makes sense that eye-pleasing
    people are the ones who get the door opened, and the ones who aren't
    as eye-pleasing, don't.  Sad, but true.
    
    ---kim 

    

.108>    another person.  Looks is nice, but there has to be SOMETHING else
  

.109>>	Sometimes, I really do wish that I could get beyond this.

.109>>	But, it hasn't happened.  I still need to feel the physical
.109>>    attraction for something big to happen.

    
    In all honesty, I suppose I could say the same about me.  However,
    at least I know with some small comfort that at times, a man who
    I did not think was initially attractive (we are not talking repulsive
    here) over time, through manner and exposure (not like THAT!!! 
    ;), has become attractive to me.  I'm not sure that this is what
    the basenote was looking for tho.  I get the sense most people aren't
    willing to "wait" on physical attractiveness.
    
    ---kim

        
    

    Well, it's been interesting reading all the comments but as was inferred
    in the previous reply, it's not what I was hoping for. 
    
    Time to state the obvious, we all agree that different "things"
    are perceived by different people as being sexy. 
    Now then, all the different subjects of the term "sexy" produce 
    basically the same emotional and physical reactions. The subject
    can be lingerie, Tom Cruise, Kim Basinger, beards, glasses, long
    hair etc etc and it is dependant on the observer. 
    What I'm looking for is an explanation of the reaction not a list
    of the causes, because this reaction seems to be **almost** the 
    same in everyone.
    
    Dave.
           

 The question "Can someone who does not initially bring about a favorable sexual
response ever be sexy?" has been asked. And the answer for me is "yes."

 It seems that in this age, most people prefer someone who immediately rings
the bell, rather than someone who can make interesting music with other 
instruments. In doing so, many people miss out on some of the more interesting
textures and nuances in life.

 The Doctah

    
    I have several strikes against me here.....I'm ugly and blond.........
    Short and very fat, repulsive.......but men fall on their knees at my
    sight anyway.....
    

    It's all in the eye of the beholder, plain and simple !
    
    Scary (who's plain and simple ...)

    
    Re: .113
    
    	Bull! I thought you were a very attractive woman
    	when I met you. But then, I do wear glasses.
    
    							Hank

 That's why she breathes so heavy; it fogs up yer specs. :-)

 The Doctah

    Gina,
    
    Having seen you a number of times, I am forced to admit that your
    self description is completely
    
    
    
    
    inaccurate, except for the blond.
    
    Bonnie

    Re .117, let's face it, people who are really ugly don't brag about
    it, the poor devils.
    
    Lorna
    

    
    	Lorna, hey watch it!!  I resemble that remark. And, furthermore,
    	I am not a poor devil, just a plain ole devil!! :^)
    
    	Yeah, I'm down-right UGLY and damn proud of it!!
    
    	I'd rather be ugly now, than worry that time will catch-up
    	with me as it does to all of us and ruin good looks!! I have
    	hopes that after being ugly this early that once I get old
    	it can only improve.....
    
    	G_B

	George Bushee  You are NOT ugly !


	kits

    
    	Aw come on now Kathy, are you sure your eyes are ok????
    
    	Hey, it took me 43 years to get this way, I wasn't lucky 
    	enough to be born this ugly, it takes time to to get here.
    	Sorta like a fine wine... :^)
    
    	Anyways, maybe the outside isn't so great (understatement),
    	but the inside can't be beat!!
    
    	G_B

    
    Maybe George and I should meet one another......that is if our own eyes
    could stand it.  I'll wear three bags over my head.....you'll recognize
    me because I have painted some earrings on the outside of the bag....
    

    
    	RE: .122
    
    	Ah, but we have met..... see there, I told ya I was so ugly
    	that your mind just blocked the whole thing out!! :^)
    
    	Don't you remember, I was wearing the grey pin stripped BAG,
    	the designer one, not the one from Stop & Shop. Oh yeah, I
    	almost forgot, it also has a moustache cut-out in it!!!
    
    	G_B

    
    Sorry, the bag doesn't ring a bell.........  Wait, wait, do you have
    a hump on your back?  Quasimoto?  Is that you?!
    

    
    	Getting closer....  What gave it away, was it the rope I carried?