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Conference quark::mennotes-v1

Title:Topics Pertaining to Men
Notice:Archived V1 - Current file is QUARK::MENNOTES
Moderator:QUARK::LIONEL
Created:Fri Nov 07 1986
Last Modified:Tue Jan 26 1993
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:867
Total number of notes:32923

388.0. "Men/Public Emotions....AHHHH!" by MILPND::PARATORE () Wed Nov 08 1989 09:43


	Let me make a simple statement and see what other men think.

	I was a Resident Assistant in College for three years and was made
	aware of how stereotypes can really damage someone (whether it be
	an individual or a group of individuals which may share a common
	denominator).

	I have noticed time and time again men discussing the issue of 
	public display of emotions.  Specifically crying, hugging, fear, etc.

	Let me state that this one stereotype is the only one that I can 
	think of which is self-inflicted. Are men affraid to show that they
	have feeling in front of women or other men?....I believe, in most 
	cases, it is the latter.  

	As a result...the male gender itself seems to keep this stereotype
	alive and kicking on it's own.  I know that the numbers within this
	group seem to diminish with time (we have come along way since the 
	days of the C.H.I.P's STUD) and personally I have no problem with
	watching a man cry or even hugging another man....Hell....I have 
	good friends that I have not seen in years....So why do some men 
	still feel they need to continue this way of thinking?

	Just a point of interest.....

	.,....INCOMING.....!

	
	 Mike P.
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388.1One vote in favour .....ILO::SPENKELINKCheer up ! It may not happen .....Wed Nov 08 1989 13:2721
    
    
    	RE .0
    
    	Yes, I know what you mean, I have observed the same. Don't under-
    	stand either why men should not show emotions. I know I do and I
    	can't say I feel any the lesser than the Rambo's of this world.
    
    	Actually, my experience is that the reactions are quite good from
    	both women and men when I show that I am glad, sad, happy or con-
    	fused or whatever. The best part of it for myself is that by sho-
    	wing how I feel, I seem to be able to handle the emotions much 
    	better.
    
    	So, hey you guys, try it ! You might it refreshing not to keep it
    	all to yourselves !
    
    	IMHO, it works .....
    
    	Marcel
    
388.2ThoughtsTLE::FISHERWork that dream and love your lifeWed Nov 08 1989 13:5549
For me, doing this is soooo haaard, and it isn't (in my opinion) a
matter of just "trying it" once and having the problem go away.  I
think I spoke in this file about the male intimacy workshops that I
attended.  ("Intimacy" defined as "opening up and being completely
yourself around other people.")  They were eye opening.

The facilitator asked a man to stand at the front of the room, hold 
his hand, look him in the eye, talk a little bit, look at the other 
men in the room, and say "hi" in a silly voice.   It doesn't sound 
very hard on the surface.  But you should have seen this guy shake, 
hunch his shoulders (his body looked like it was folding up on 
itself), and avoid eye contact with frenzied glances around the room.

It wasn't just hard for the person up front (though he did break down
and cry at one point), it was hard for those of us who were watching,
too. 

I'm not sure what the point of this is (I'm in ramble mode today), but 
I think I want to put out that, for many men, it isn't a matter of 
"just trying it."  It's more a matter of "working on it."  One step at 
a time, trying to break down the barriers that keep us alienated from 
each other.

I remember something that happened in my Core Group (a Valuing 
Differences monthly workgroup).  This person was describing a very 
emotional story about her parents.  I had this urge to reach out and 
to take her hand, as a way of showing my support without interrupting 
her story.  However, before I could reach out, this really strong 
inner force stopped me; something inside me was telling me that this 
"should not be done."  After the tension built too high inside of me, I 
took the chance to reach for her hand.  It was sooooo scaaarrrry.  
After I did it, I wasn't sure if I was supporting her or she was 
supporting me.  I felt as if everyone in the group were staring at me 
and as if I were sitting there naked in the room, or some such.

On the surface, it sounds so easy.  "Take someone's hand when she or
he is in need."  But when it comes down to doing it for me, it's so 
hard.

Maybe for me it's "try it...try it again...okay, try it again..."


						--Gerry

PS  As for holding a lover's hand in public, I don't usually have a 
problem with that, although, being gay, I can only do that when I'm 
certain I won't get beaten or killed for doing it.  Dark theaters or 
drives in the car are usually safe for that kind of hand holding.
388.4late reply...FSTVAX::BEANDAMN! The TORPEDO! Full speed ahead!Wed Dec 06 1989 08:0419
    i see no reason to hold back on emotional display.
    
    i laugh (sometimes hard).
    
    i smile.
    
    i cry (not much publicly, but sometimes in front of my wife)
    
    i hug.  a lot!  wherever i am.  and  i kiss her lots too!  in front of
    God and everybody.  I WANT folks to see how happy i am with my wife.
    
    and sometimes i sulk.
    
    yet i often find that people accuse me of "insulating myself' from my
    feelings.  
    
    maybe i do.
    
    tony
388.5Get the magnifying glass... I think he's smiling!HSSWS1::GREGThe Texas ChainsawFri Dec 08 1989 21:2428
    
    	   My body language is a little different from most
    	people (especially men).  I display some emotions 
    	openly, but I do it subtly.
    	
    	   A wry smile on my face might well mean I am furious
    	and contemplating vengeance.  Only my eyes tell the
    	story.  When I'm furious my eyelids twitch and my pupils
    	dilate.
    
    	   When I'm feeling amorous my nostrils flare out once 
    	or twice.  (If you don't look at just the right moment,
    	you'll never know it.)
    
    	   Melancholy (and old familiar friend of mine) is dislayed
    	by a complete lack of expression on my face.  My eyes are
    	locked on some invisible distant target, and my jaw is 
    	usually clamped shut.
    
    	   When I'm nervous I grind my teeth.
    
    	   When I'm hungry I furrow my brow.
    
    	   So you see, while most people would claim that I don't
    	show my emotions, the truth is that they just aren't looking
    	close enough.
    
    	- Greg