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1122.0. "Courage Under Fire" by ASDG::FAY () Mon Jun 24 1996 16:51

    	I just finnished the book and I have seen some of the ad's
    	on t.v. If the movie is as good as the book it should be a
    	great movie.
    
    	Deb
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1122.1TROOA::BUTKOVICHchairman of the boredThu Jul 04 1996 17:5617
    Saw the movie last weekend- **** out of 5
    
    Denzel Washington is the true star of this film - another fine acting
    job that probably would have netted him another Oscar nomination if
    this movie had been released later in the year.  The plot of this movie
    basically involves a number of possible scenerios that may have
    happened when a helicopter, piloted by Meg Ryan's character, crashes. 
    The action takes place during Desert Storm.  Denzel is put in charge of
    an investigation to ascertain what the true story is - does Meg deserve
    the Medal of Honour, or not?  The script does a good job of keeping us
    guessing - I thought I had it figured out until just a moment before we
    find out the actual truth - this could be discussed behind spoilers
    once a few more have seen the movie.  Meg Ryan did a good job, but she
    was basically acting out the same scene with slight variations for most
    of the movie.
    
    Chris
1122.2excellentCTHU26::S_BURRIDGEMon Jul 15 1996 13:0331
    I saw this on the weekend, & thought it excellent.  Denzel Washington
    should get nominated for a Best Actor Oscar for this performance.  As
    he gets a little older, Washington is acquiring a certain "gravitas";
    he is highly credible as a distinguished military officer agonizing
    over his role in a Gulf War "friendly fire" incident.  He drinks too much,
    and gets into trouble with his boss, a somewhat formidable bureaucratic
    general played by Michael Moriarty.

    Meg Ryan's performance is all in flashbacks, as different witnesses recall 
    her conduct as commander of a medical evacuation helicopter that was shot
    down.  (Washington's character is investigating this incident; she has been
    nominated for a Medal of Honor.)  I thought she too was entirely
    believable. 

    Another strength of the film is the quality of the action sequences.  The
    movie opens with video images of bombs over Baghdad, followed by 
    Washington's tanks going into action in the desert.  The confusion and
    violence of the battle scenes were pretty convincing (to me; I have never
    experienced combat.)
	
    In the end some of the complexity and ambiguities of the dramatic
    situation are simplified and the story comes to a fairly conventional
    closing, Washington's character finds a form of peace, heroism is
    appropriately celebrated.  (I hope that didn't need a spoiler.)
    
    The movie is well written and acted and in my opinion is a first rate 
    production that should be a contender in a number of categories at next 
    year's Academy Awards.  
    
    -Stephen
    
1122.3Fantastic!BOOKIE::J_CROCKERTue Jul 16 1996 15:5419
    The director of GLORY (I forget his name) directed COURAGE UNDER FIRE,
    so it's a four-star reunion with Washington, who got Best Supporting
    Actor for GLORY.
    
    Very little about the movie is computer-enhanced.  The desert shots
    were done in El Paso, with the cooperation of the U.S. military.
    Whenever you see an Abrams tank on the outside, it's real.  This movie
    has the best armored battle shots I've ever seen, and I'm a history
    addict.
    
    I think Meg Ryan *is* the co-star of this flick, because even though
    Washington's character has the most onscreen time, her spirit hovers
    (so to speak) throughout the movie.  My respect for her goes up another
    notch.
    
    It's about as far away from that "I'll have what she's having" scene
    you get at SONY theaters before *every* showing, no matter who's in it.
    
    Justin
1122.4STRWRS::KOCH_PIt never hurts to ask...Tue Jul 16 1996 16:0913
    
    Justin,
    
    	Sorry to burst your bubble, but the US Military DID NOT co-operate
    with the making of this film. At the last minute, they backed out and
    the producers had to scramble for replacement equipment which was made
    up to LOOK like US Army vehicles. In addition, there is a story that a
    goverment agency saw what looked like an Apache parked at an airport,
    staked it out and nearly arrested the pilots because they thought that
    they had stolen an Apache. However, when the pilot pointed out the fake
    rockets, they let him go. Says alot for US Government inventory
    procedures when they don't know if all their (our) Apaches are
    accounted for...
1122.5Sources?BOOKIE::J_CROCKERTue Jul 16 1996 18:098
    Before my bubble bursts, what are your sources on this info?  I'll
    grant you that mine was ENTERTAINMENT, and also that Hollywood does a
    good job of doctoring stuff so it looks like the real thing when they
    try.  Beats the good ole' days when they used Winchester '94s for 
    movies that were supposed to happen thirty years earlier (without even
    removing the front stock so it'd look like a Henry).
    
    Justin
1122.6STRWRS::KOCH_PIt never hurts to ask...Wed Jul 17 1996 19:244
    
    Well, this is what the producers said on "The making of Courage under
    Fire" on the E! channel. Since they paid the bill, I suspect they would
    know...
1122.7Two thumbs way, way, way, up!!!POLAR::LYLEI will not abbrev.Fri Jul 19 1996 06:0414
    
    Caught this movie yesterday. Great movie. Great acting. If Washington
    doesn't get an award for this, the academy should be dissolved.
    I found myself all tensed up during the action scenes.
    
    The weirdest thing happened when the credits were rolling. No one from
    the audience got up to leave. Everyone seemed to be rivetted to their
    seats. Like they were in awe. Never have I witnessed something like
    that. It was really strange.
    
    ****1/2 out of *****
    
    Dave
    
1122.830 something to courageHOTLNE::S_COLLINSFri Jul 19 1996 06:228
    
    re.> .03
    
    the director of "Courage Under Fire" is Ed Zwick.
    
    He also directed "Glory" and "Legends of the Fall".
    
    In t.v. land he was the creator of the hit "Thirty Something".
1122.9EDSCLU::JAYAKUMARFri Jul 19 1996 10:406
I haven't seen this yet, but I have seen one other Denzel Washington's 
movie - Mississipi Masala, and he really impressed me.

	gotta check this one out.

/Jk
1122.10Something classical, perhaps?DECWIN::RALTOJail to the ChiefFri Jul 19 1996 14:565
    What is the music that is played during the promos for this
    movie that are currently being shown on TV?  I could swear I've
    heard it before...
    
    Chris
1122.11'simple song'DZIGN::HABERJeff Haber..SBS IM&T Consultant..223-5535Fri Jul 19 1996 18:017
    I believe that it is actually a Shaker song which was popularized by
    Aaron Copeland (Appalachian Spring?) and has recently been used in
    Oldsmobile ads.   I forget the exact title, something like 'A Simple
    Song' -- my brother used it at his wedding, so I _should_ know...
    
    /jeff
    
1122.12"Simple Gifts," actually...chayna.zko.dec.com::xanadu::eppesNina EppesFri Jul 19 1996 18:404
.11 is right about the song, except the title is "Simple Gifts."  
("'Tis the gift to be simple, 'tis the gift to be free," etc.)

-- Nina
1122.13...or my rapidly fading memoryDECWIN::RALTOJail to the ChiefMon Jul 22 1996 13:405
    Aha, thanks, so I *did* hear it before.  I thought it might have
    simply been my overactive imagination...
    
    Thanks,
    Chris
1122.14ApologiesBOOKIE::J_CROCKERTue Jul 23 1996 14:4612
    .4, .6
    
    You're right -- and although my bubble didn't pop when I went back to
    see COF again, my face got a little red when the credits showed that
    Australia was more helpful than the USA with this one.
    
    There was another reason I stuck around for credits this time: 
    The young girl who played Meg Ryan's daughter looked so much like 
    Ryan that I wanted to get a clue to whether or not she was.  Any 
    ideas, folks? 
    
    Justin
1122.15BUSY::SLABOUNTYTo the Batmobile ... let's go!!!Tue Jul 23 1996 15:03315
    
                         Courage Under Fire (1996)

        A medal for honor. A search for justice. A battle for truth.

                              USA 1996 Color

                          [*][*][*][*][*][*][*][*]
                             8.5/10 (112 votes)

  Produced by: 20th Century Fox Film (distributor) / Fox 2000 Pictures
    Sound Mix: Dolby Digital
Genre/keyword: War / Action / _Drama_ / honor / helicopter / gulf-war
     Language: English
Certification: USA:R
 MPAA reasons: Rated R for war violence and language.

Directed by
     Edward Zwick

Cast (in credits order)
     Denzel Washington     .... Lieutenant Colonel Nathaniel Serling
     Meg Ryan              .... Captain Karen Walden
     Lou Diamond Phillips  .... Monfriez
     Michael Moriarty      .... General Hershberg
     Matt Damon            .... Ilario
     Bronson Pinchot       .... Bruno
     Seth Gilliam          .... Altameyer
     Regina Taylor         .... Meredith Serling
     Zeljko Ivanek         .... Banacek
     Scott Glenn           .... Tony Gartner
     Tim Guinee            .... Rady
     Tim Ransom            .... Boylar
     Sean Astin            .... Patella
     Armand Darrius        .... Robins
     Mark Adair-Rios       .... Bobcat 5
     Ned Vaughn            .... Chelli
     Manny Perez (II)      .... Jenkins
     David McSwain         .... Egan
     Sean Patrick Thomas   .... Thompson
     Ken Jenkins           .... Joel Walden
     Kathleen Widdoes      .... Geraldine Walden
     Christina Stojanovich .... Anne Marie Walden
     Lucky Luciano         .... Nathan Serling Jr.
     Erica Newman          .... Joleen Serling
     Jamal A. Mays         .... Brian Serling
     Ashlee Jordan Pryor   .... Josie Serling
     Michole White         .... Maria
     Jeffrey Waid          .... Hillerman
     Patrick Young         .... Drill Team Commander
     Jimmy Pickens         .... Soldier
     Jack Watkins          .... Coffee Sergeant
     Bruce McGill          .... McQuillan
     Rory J. Aylward       .... Teegarden's Crew Chief
     Kyle Mickaelian       .... Refueler
     Michael Dolan         .... Orderly
     John Roarke           .... The President
     Tom Schanley          .... Questioner
     Bob Apisa             .... Iraqi Tank Commander
     Daniel Gonzalez       .... Laughing Gunner
     Albert Hall           .... Speaker
     Richard Venture       .... Don Boylar
     Diane Baker           .... Louise Boylar
     Amy Hathaway          .... Annie
     Reed Frerichs         .... Delinquent Soldier
     Julius Carter         .... Rowtero

Written by
     Patrick Sheane Duncan (also novel)

Cinematography by
     Roger Deakins

Music by
     James Horner

Production Design by
     John Graysmark

Costume Design by
     Francine Jamison-Tanchuck

Film Editing by
     Steven Rosenblum

Other crew
     Pete Antico               .... stunts
     Christopher Assells       .... effects editor
     Terry Atchison            .... weapons prop technician

     Rory J. Aylward           .... military technical advisor, technical
                                    advisor
     Karen M. Baker            .... first assistant sound editor
     Dick Bayard               .... construction co-ordinator
     Ryan Beesley              .... background artist
     Anna Behlmer              .... rerecording mixer
     Lon Bender                .... sound designer
     Maxine Bergen             .... second unit: script supervisor
     Cliff Bergman             .... general foreman
     Cliff Bernay              .... on-set dresser
     Mike Billow               .... helicopter pilot
     Bob Bornstein             .... music copyist
     Richard Bourquin          .... background artist
     Bob Bowman                .... sound assistant editor
     Ben Bray                  .... stunts
     Caroline Brock            .... location assistant
     Brooke Brooks             .... assistant to mr. davis
     Robin Brown               .... 'a' camera operator
     Robin Budd                .... assistant to mr. zwick
     Burt Burnam               .... second unit: first assistant director
     Lange Burnett             .... additional make-up
     Gary Burritt              .... negative cutter
     Jaime L. Cabrera          .... production assistant
     Lisa D. Carey             .... accounting assistant
     Mike Carroll              .... plaster foreman
     Michael R. Casey          .... el paso location manager
     John Cenatiempo           .... stunts
     Larry M. Cherry           .... hairstylist for mr. washington
     Gary Clark (II)           .... paint foreman
     Gary Clause               .... propmaker foreman
     Karen Estelle Collins     .... second assistant director
     Jack Colmenero            .... swing gang
     Mary Colquhoun            .... casting
     Steve Cooper              .... art director
     Skip Cosper               .... assistant director
     Kurt Courtland            .... apprentice editor
     Barbara Crow              .... first assistant accountant
     James Crowley             .... production assistant
     Gerrit Dangremond         .... 'c' camera operator
     Valerie Davidson          .... foley editor
     John P. Davis             .... helicopter pilot
     Ismael 'Rocket' De Anda   .... production assistant
     Sandy DeCrescent          .... music contractor
     Rob Doumitt               .... second unit: gaffer
     Billy Dowd                .... extras casting
     Jeffrey Downer            .... unit production manager
     Jessica Drake             .... dialect coach for ms. ryan
     Marty W. Eichmann         .... second unit: key grip
     James Etheridge           .... second unit: 'b' camera operator
     Marcia Evers              .... seamstress

     Tres Falls                .... second second assistant director:
                                    austin
     Ann Fisher                .... dialogue editor
     Cliff Fleming             .... helicopter pilot
     Linda Gacsko              .... 'c' camera second assistant
     Dino Ganziano             .... key hairstylist
     Rick Gentz                .... set decorator
     Scott Martin Gershin      .... effects editor
     Cathy Mickel Gibson       .... production accountant
     Don Givens                .... foley recordist
     Jane Goldsmith            .... script supervisor
     Robbie Goldstein          .... austin location manager
     Jorge J. Gonzalez         .... costumer
     Mark Gordon (III)         .... effects editor
     David J. Grant            .... additional second assistant director
     Tim Grossclose            .... sound assistant editor
     Per Hallberg              .... supervising sound editor
     Penny Lee Hallin          .... second assistant editor
     Jim Halty                 .... stunts

     William Hankins           .... second unit: 'a' camera first
                                    assistant
     Andy Harris               .... 'a' camera first assistant
     Mark Harris (II)          .... sound recordist
     Dan Hegeman               .... dialogue editor
     Jim Henrikson             .... music editor
     Chuck Herrmann            .... assistant property
     Sally Hershberger         .... hairstylist for ms. ryan
     Philip A. Hess            .... effects editor
     Ellen Heuer               .... foley artist
     Steve Hiller              .... 'c' camera first assistant
     James Horner              .... orchestration
     Karla Ingebretsen         .... assistant to aerial co-ordinator
     Steve Isabell             .... second unit: best boy grip
     Al Itzkoff                .... craft service
     Guy Jackson               .... second unit: best boy electric
     Craig Jaeger              .... foley supervisor
     Michael Jamison           .... assistant costume designer
     M. Evan Jensen            .... helicopter pilot
     David Jobe                .... foley mixer
     Dean E. Johnsen           .... production assistant
     J. David Jones            .... aerial co-ordinator
     Gail Just                 .... costumer to ms. ryan
     Christopher Kahn          .... production assistant
     Cathy Kanavy              .... location assistant
     Peter Karp                .... assistant to mr. friendly

     Jeff Kay                  .... second second assistant director: el
                                    paso
     Liz Keigley               .... austin casting
     Steve Kelso               .... stunts
     Josh Kesselman            .... production assistant
     Nancy King                .... second unit: second assistant director
     Lou Kleinman              .... adr editor
     Valerie Mickaelian Kucera .... production co-ordinator
     Wendi Laski               .... unit publicist
     Robert Leighton           .... additional editor
     Tammy Lema                .... additional hairstylist
     Dan Lerner                .... second unit director
     Steve Ligorio             .... second unit: grip
     Diane Linn                .... adr recordist
     Paul Lombardi             .... special effects co-ordinator
     Marcus O. Lopez           .... 'a' camera second assistant
     Leonard Lucas             .... art department assistant
     Jennifer Mann             .... additional audio
     David Marquette           .... music recordist
     Jesse G. Martin           .... helicopter pilot
     Elizabeth Marx            .... casting assistant
     Joe Mayer                 .... adr supervisor
     Dylan McKenna             .... second assistant accountant
     Peter J. McKernan Jr.     .... helicopter pilot

     Fred McLane               .... second unit: 'b' camera first
                                    assistant
     Mimi N. Mcgreal           .... production secretary
     Barbara Mesney            .... set designer
     Rexford Metz              .... aerial camera operator
     Arthur J. Miller Jr.      .... railroad consultant
     Mike Milliken             .... color timer
     Michael Mills             .... prosthetic makeup
     James Mize                .... metal fabricator
     Alex Montez               .... second unit: grip
     Hector Morales            .... key costumer
     Andrea Moraz              .... aerial camera assistant
     Jacque Morgan             .... art department assistant
     Chris Moriana             .... foley artist
     Philip D. Morrill         .... sound assistant editor
     Shawn Murphy              .... scoring mixer
     Andy Nelson (I)           .... rerecording mixer
     Andrew Neskoromny         .... set designer
     Alan Oliney               .... stunts
     Barbara Olvera            .... key hairstylist
     Mark Ormandy              .... additional audio
     Mike Papac                .... second unit: property master
     Kellie Parks              .... production assistant
     Ann Hollingsworth Patrie  .... helicopter pilot
     Richard Patterson         .... illusion arts: digital supervisor
     Mari Phillips             .... on-set dresser
     Rudy Pi                   .... sound recordist
     Steve Picerni             .... stunts
     Brian Pierson             .... additional audio

     Juan Priego               .... second unit: 'b' camera second
                                    assistant
     Liz Probst                .... payroll accountant
     Joe E. Rand               .... assistant music editor
     Alan Rankin               .... effects editor
     Charleen Richards         .... adr mixer
     Jay B. Richardson         .... effects editor
     Robert R. Richardson      .... second unit: property assistant
     Mike Riley                .... toolman
     Denise Lynne Roberts      .... stunts
     Wayne Roberts             .... transportation captain
     Robby Robinson            .... stunts
     Sonny Robinson            .... aerial support
     Danny Rogers              .... stunts
     Frank Rose                .... costume supervisor
     Tim Roslan                .... picture car co-ordinator
     John Rozman               .... swing gang
     Stephanie Sain            .... second unit: production assistant
     Eddie Sanchez             .... first aid
     Nick Sanders              .... craft service
     Dominic Sandfrey          .... labor foreman
     Fumi Sawicki              .... illusion arts: digital animation
     Mark Sawicki              .... illusion arts: matte photography
     Michelle Schluter         .... assistant production co-ordinator
     Phil Schriber             .... transportation captain
     Nicole Schubert           .... second assistant editor
     Jay Sedrish               .... unit production manager
     Dan Shaw                  .... production assistant
     Edna Sheen                .... key make-up artist
     Rick Shuster              .... helicopter pilot
     Robert Sica               .... leadman
     Ron Sica                  .... swing gang
     Robin Simpson             .... helicopter pilot
     Vicky Speidacci           .... helicopter pilot
     Jacquie Stears            .... lead scenic artist
     Ron Stein                 .... stunt co-ordinator
     Lauren Stephens           .... dialogue editor
     Robert Stewart (II)       .... set costumer

     Randy Stone               .... second unit: 'a' camera second
                                    assistant
     Robert Stromberg          .... illusion arts: matte artist
     George Stuart Jr.         .... standby painter
     Peter Michael Sullivan    .... digital effects supervisor
     Laura Sylvester           .... dga trainee
     Nick Taylor (II)          .... second unit: director of photography
     Cynthia E. Thornton       .... first assistant editor
     Raigen Thornton           .... first aid
     Fred Toye                 .... main title video sequence
     Gilbert Trejo             .... background artist
     David Tully               .... greensman
     Dirk Vahle                .... helicopter pilot
     Eddie Lee Voelker         .... transportation co-ordinator
     Merie Weismiller Wallace  .... still photographer
     Mike Wassel               .... illusion arts: matte artist
     Martha Waters             .... production assistant
     Kim Waugh                 .... additional audio
     Stanley R. Webber         .... transportation captain
     Neil Weinberger           .... assistant to mr. singer
     Lutz Wesemann             .... makeup for ms. ryan
     Gina White                .... assistant to mr. washington
     Chris Wiggins             .... camera loader
     Randall D. Wilkins        .... set designer
     David S. Williams Jr.     .... illusion arts: digital composites
     Matthew B. Woody          .... location assistant
     Robin Wright-Nazarians    .... costumer
     David Zellitti            .... stunts
     Jim Zemansky              .... property master
     Sue Zwilling              .... 'b' camera first assistant

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1122.16MPGS::WOOLNERYour dinner is in the supermarketTue Jul 23 1996 17:183
    re .14, I think Ryan has only one child, a son (Jack?).
    
    Leslie
1122.17BUSY::SLABOUNTYWe all, we all, love it - LOUD!!Tue Jul 23 1996 18:274
    
    	Meg and I named him Jacques, but people insist on calling him
    	Jack anyways.
    
1122.18chayna.zko.dec.com::xanadu::eppesNina EppesTue Jul 23 1996 19:053
RE .17 - Shawn, you WISH...!!  :-)

- Nina
1122.19Yup, AustraliaQUARRY::reevesJon Reeves, UNIX compiler groupWed Jul 24 1996 00:053
According to the press kit, when the US Army backed out, they rented some old
tanks from a company in Australia and added sheet metal to them to make them
look like Abrams and Iraqi tanks.
1122.20Great movie!!!LUDWIG::MARCHESSAULTMon Aug 05 1996 14:567
    Saw this movie last night and I got my $$$$$'$ worth out of it.  I
    really enjoy'ed Denzel's part in the movie and he should get an
    award for his role.  I like Ryan's part in the movie and thought
    they should have done more with it, but I give it a ****........
    
    
    My 2 cents
1122.21SSDEVO::VANDERWAALLFri Dec 27 1996 09:543
1122.22Thumbs up.POLAR::TYSICKPrying Open my Third EyeTue Apr 29 1997 11:196
    Great story.  Good acting.  Kept me into it, through out the whole
    flick.
    
    	3 anda half outta 5
    
    	  Jay