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Title:Movie Reviews and Discussion
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Created:Thu Jan 28 1993
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1005.0. "Hunchback of Notre Dame (Disney animated version)" by GRANPA::JBOBB (Janet Bobb dtn:339-5755) Wed Jan 03 1996 13:54

    While waiting for Toystory to open there were several previews of
    upcoming movies. One, due out summer 19996 by Disney is "The Hunchback
    of Notre Dame".
    
    You could tell they hadn't finished it at the time of making this
    preview because many of the scenes were black and white pen drawings.
    But, it looked very interesting. 
    
    If I remember the names correctly the following do the voices:
    	Tim Hulce - Hunchback
    	Demi Moore - female (Esperillda?)
    	Keven Kline - male lead, knight of some sort (cartoon character has
    			some of the look and actions of kevin kline)
    	don't remember but known name  - bad guy
    	Mary Wicks	----
    	Jason Alexander     | 3 gargoyles/friends of Hunchback
    	???		----
    
    I haven't read this story in so long, I couldn't tell you if what is
    shown in the previews follows the story, but it looked pretty close,
    from what I remember (except for the talking gargoyles, but then, this
    is disney...)
    
    Looks like it could be very good. the clip showed the disney artists
    outside the real Notre Dame doing drawings. What finished clips there
    were, looked up to Disney standards.
    
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1005.1STAR::65320::RIVERSNo commentMon Jun 24 1996 10:3262
    I liked this, too, but of course, it had all the plot elements which
    appeal to me.  
    
    One certainly should not expect the Victor Hugo novel.  The
    Disneyfication of the story requires some certain plot elements to be
    changed.  For example, Frollo is not a priest but a judge.  (Disney was
    the distributor of "Priest", a very good movie which did not go over
    well with a lot of Catholics, for obvious reasons.  It's easy to assume
    Disney wanted to lay off the church for a while. :)  Phoebus is much
    more engaging than the Phoebus in the story (more on him later).  
    Quasimodo isn't half as hideous as he was in the novel, nor deaf. 
    And basically, Paris, while having it's problems in the movie, seems a
    much nicer place.
    
    Heaving all that to the side, we still have a story which opens with a
    murder (bloodless, though) and ends with one.  Well, not at the EXACT
    end, but you get the idea.  In between we have public humiliation,
    mental and physical cruelty, lust (yeah, lust.  In a Disney movie.  It
    was cool. :), ostracization, violence, betrayal and unrequited love. 
    
    Hey, and folks though Pocahontas was gloomy. 
    
    Fear not, though, we also have a fairly upbeat ending, a cute goat
    and a trio of wisecracking gargoyles for comedy relief.   
    
    So, did it all work?  Yes and no.  For the kids, I don't think so, at
    least not to extent as a kid-cool movie like, oh, "Aladdin".  Or "The
    Lion King".  The small children in the audience, I think, were bored
    because for them, the movie was short on action and "talky".  I felt
    the movie was short on action, too, but only because it seemed that no
    one scene was allowed to go on for more than 30 seconds at a time.  A
    nod to short attention spans, I guess.
    
    For me?  Yes.  The villian was really nasty.  Quasimodo was a very
    sympathetic protagnoist, Esmeralda looks like I'd like to and best of
    all (for me) the handsome male protagonist was actually handsome!  And
    likable!  And somebody *I'd* want to end up with.  The animators
    finally got a blessing to get away from the Ken-Doll look, thank God
    and came up with somebody who wasn't as bland as the piece of paper
    they were drawn on.   
    
    Being voiced by Kevin Kline can't hurt, either.  Quite frankly, I'd go
    see the movie just on the basis of that character alone. :)
    
    My biggest beef with the movie was the necessity of making it a
    musical: none of the songs tickled my fancy except for Esmeralda's plea
    to God to help her people out and basically it would have worked
    better as a non-musicial.  My other beef was the use of either
    computer-animation or rotoscoping for some of the scenes, especially
    crowd scenes.  It was so obviously different from traditional animation
    that to me, it was jarring.  
    
    Aside from that, I did enjoy myself.  I certainly appreciated the
    attempt to make a cartoon not just for kids.  I do think children will
    like it better than Pocahantas but I think they're parents might
    appreciate more of it than they do.  
    
    
    *** out of ****
    
    
    kim  
1005.2bit o' triviaBOOKIE::chayna.zko.dec.com::xanadu::eppesNina EppesMon Jun 24 1996 13:4915
>    The animators
>    finally got a blessing to get away from the Ken-Doll look, thank God
>    and came up with somebody who wasn't as bland as the piece of paper
>    they were drawn on.   

Semi-interesting factoid about this character (Phoebus): He's the first Disney 
hero to have facial hair.  (Human hero, that is... :-) )

This came from the special "The Making of the Hunchback of Notre Dame" on the
Disney channel.

-- Nina



1005.3EDSCLU::JAYAKUMARMon Jun 24 1996 14:124
An NPR movie critic lashed out at Disney for messing up so much with the 
original story. He was quite harsh and critical.

-Jk
1005.4CLUSTA::MAIEWSKIBos-Mil-Atl Braves W.S. ChampsMon Jun 24 1996 15:343
  Disney always changes the story.

  George
1005.5Not for young childrenSWAM1::MILLS_MATo Thine own self be TrueMon Jun 24 1996 16:0726
    I tokk my six year-old son to see it this weekend, and I was kind of
    disturbed. While apparently he was not bothered by it, I was dismayed to
    see how little there was in this film for children. 
    
    The story was changed, of course, but there was so much murder, lust, 
    violence, and cruelty in it that I cannot recommend it to anyone with
    small children. The only comic relief in it is the three gargoyles, but
    there is not much of them to counteract the other very adult themes. If
    Disney had touted this an adult animated movie, I could respect them.
    But their inundating the market with Hunchback paraphernalia will make
    most people think (as I did) that they had sanitized the story
    sufficiently for children, but this is very much not the case.
    
    Saying that, it is a beautifully animated film, the scenes inside the
    cathedral are particularly breath-taking. I noticed that a lot,
    probably not a good thing, since I should have been caught up in the
    story, but I was more worried in the reaction my son would have to some
    of the scenes. That he didn't react badly is probably the result of
    most of it having gone way over his head.
    
    I can't think what possessed Disney in making this their summer
    animated movie, even the theme of judging people by their actions and 
    not their looks was lost in the tragic story.
    
    
    Marilyn 
1005.6ODIXIE::MOREAUKen Moreau;Technical Support;FloridaMon Jun 24 1996 17:4031
I agree with many of the previous, in that I really liked it, but agree that
it was certainly more adult than previous Disney animated movies.

The animation is terrific (the scenes in and around the cathedral are 
exquisite), Quasimodo is definitely deformed without being so repulsive as
to scare children (or ruin the marketing aspects of the movie), the villian
is one of the better villians from Disney because he believes in what he is
doing and doesn't consider himself evil, and the hero has some character.

But the big difference is in the heroine, and her affect on the other
characters.  Previous Disney heroines, while all having perfect faces and
figures (Belle, Ariel, Jasmine, Snow White, Cinderella, etc), were basically
innocent girls who were interested in romance, and that is how the other
people reacted to them.  Think of "Kiss the Girl" in "The Little Mermaid"
or "Let Me Show You the World" in "Aladdin" or the final scene of "Snow White" 
where the Prince kisses her and she rides on the horse back to his castle.

Here, Esmerelda is not at all innocent, and both Pheobus and Frolo react to
her in that way.  Frolo especially feels blatant lust for her, and the song
in his room where he decides what to do makes this very clear.  Quasimodo
also feels the same, and is torn emotionally when she asks him to help her
save Pheobus, and then watches Esmerelda and Pheobus passionately kissing
after Pheobus revives.

I don't see this as a problem, because it went right over the head of my
8 year old son, and my 11 year old daughter just ignored those scenes.  But
YMMV, so be warned.

But it also had one of the most delightful puns I've heard in a while.  

-- Ken Moreau
1005.7KERNEL::PLANTCThe Truth is out there.....Tue Jun 25 1996 07:005
    
    
    YMMV?
    Chris
    :)
1005.8CHEFS::HANDLEY_IPer Ardua Ad AlcoholTue Jun 25 1996 08:135
    
    Your mileage may vary.
    
    
    It's american.
1005.9next movieSTOWOA::JACOBSON_ATue Sep 17 1996 09:232
1005.10And now, going even further back into the past...DECWIN::RALTOJail to the ChiefTue Sep 17 1996 13:4415
1005.11In the pipe:QUARRY::reevesJon Reeves, UNIX compiler groupTue Sep 17 1996 17:2410
1005.12BOOKIE::chayna.zko.dec.com::tamara::eppesNina EppesWed Sep 18 1996 19:304