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Title:Racers and Racing
Notice:As long as it's not NASCAR or F1 or Drags...
Moderator:RHETT::BURDEN_D
Created:Tue Aug 08 1995
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:391
Total number of notes:4486

311.0. "SCCA Road Racing Question?" by CTHQ1::WHITNEY () Thu Oct 08 1992 12:08

    
    	I would like to field a question and opinions if I could.  This has
    to deal with the road racing program in the SCCA.  A potiential Sponser
    has confronted me and is willing to sponser a car for me.  I've debated 
    about showroom stock, IT, and AS.  I would like AS, American Sedan but 
    it's not national licenced yet, I think.  IT is the same way.  The
    problem that I have with Showroom Stock is that you need a new car
    every 4 years if you want to stay in that class.  I know the other
    classes can be expensive to run in also.  
    
    	I won't get into details but I have to buy the car and he will take
    care of other things.  What I would like to get back to him with is
    some details around what are the other things?  I know about the
    regular things, tire, gas, registration.  How much can I expect to
    spend.  Is $3000 a year a good number?  
    
    	You can send responses to my account if you don't want to post
    them.  I'm on CTHQ::Whitney.
    
    Thanks,
    Scott
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311.1Do you want to win?NYTP04::JANKOWITZTwisty little passages all alikeFri Oct 16 1992 01:164
$3000 will run a lower budget I.T. season. There are people who spend less 
than that for I.T. and people who spend significantly more.  
I don't think you could be nationally competetive on $3000 in Showroom 
Stock.
311.2COMET::COSTAMy name? E.M. Shorts, buddy.Fri Oct 16 1992 19:0147
     Hmmm, thought there would be more responses to this. I'll preface my
    comments by saying that I'm unfamiliar with SCCA racing, so the term
    AS, IT, and such are foreign to me. What  I have to offer may relate to
    showroom stock is some manner, but I don't know if this is something
    you can run locally or if it requires a lot of travel.
    
     I would say that what class you decide to run in and the amount of
    sponsorship you seek is dependant upon what  you intend to do with your
    racing career. If you are looking to move up in classes on a regular
    basis and actually make a living driving cars, you will need to choose
    classes that will allow these moves. If your simply pursuing a hobby,
    then you have an entirely different set of options to excercise. 
    
     As far as cost goes, 3000 can be a windfall, or a short coming of
    extreme proportions. I'll attempt to give some ideas of cost, but it is
    for an entirely different type of racing. You may or may not be able to
    adapt this to what you intend to do.
    
     My team has just completed its first season running street stock class
    stock cars on a paved 1/4 mile oval. This means we are running cars
    that are not very sophisticated in the suspension department, using V8
    engines under a claim rule and absolutly no computerized anything to
    have to work with/around. We spent $5000 dollars this year for a mid-
    pack runner finishing 12 out of 40 cars. This figure is all inclusive
    for everything from uniforms and publications to entry fees , gas, oil
    and tune ups. We run V8 engines using a 500 cfm two barrel and would 
    burn up approx. 7-10 gallons of fuel a night under a program consisting
    of two 10 min practice sessions, one 10 lap heat race and one 25 lap
    feature. At over 3.00 a gallon, fuel is a major expense. All of this
    for your basic Saturday night screamer, running 24 weeks out of the
    year.
    
     The figure above does not include the purchase of the car, trailer, or
    any of the other support vehicles. We could have maybe done it for
    less, but it is unlikely, and next season will certainly cost just as
    much, if not more, because of our plans for a more reliable powerplant.
    If your planning on traveling any sort of distances to compete, plan on
    substantial increases for food, lodging, and tow vehicle gas and
    maintenance.
    
     Hope this is of some benefit for your efforts. Maybe those closer
    to SCCA racing can give you some more insight than this. But like .1
    said, how competitive you want to run is directly relative the amount
    of dollars you put into, plus time and effort.
    
    Tony
    
311.3SNKERZ::SOTTILEGet on Your Bikes and RideMon Oct 19 1992 09:526
    
    # 1 Rule of financing your racing, If you have to ask "how Much"
    you prabably can't afford it.
    
    
    	Good luck!
311.4question on SCCA classesSTARCH::HAGERMANFlames to /dev/nullSun Nov 20 1994 20:3122
    Can somebody help me understand the rules for the various production
    classes of SCCA road racing? I know these are highly modified cars, but
    it's hard to understand what determines what car goes in what class
    just by looking at the entry list. Here's some stuff from the latest
    Sports Car magazine results from this year's nationals:
    
    E:	Miata, MGB, Porsche 356, Lotus 7
    F:	MG Midget, Lotus 7, Spitfire
    G:	Spitfire, Sprite, MG Midget, Porsche 356
    H:	Midget, Sprite
    
    How come so many of these run in two or three classes? Is it mostly
    engine displacement? That might explain it since the early Sprites and
    Midgets had little 900 cc or something engines.
    
    The underlying question is this: The Miata unexpectedly won the E
    Production class this year against a strong bunch of competitors. If
    Mazda sold a Miata with say an 1100 cc engine, could they be used in G
    Production? If somebody just put a destroked engine in could they
    compete in the lower class if Mazda never sold them with that engine?
    
    Doug.
311.5PROXY::J_EVANSMon Nov 21 1994 11:578
    Hopefully some others will chime in as well, but I believe all cars get
    graded by a committee before they are put in a given class. I'm sure
    they look at speed, displacement, etc and try and fit them
    appropriately. One way to understand the rules is to read the rules
    book. There is always one to borrow.....
    
    jim