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Conference nyoss1::market_investing

Title:Market Investing
Moderator:2155::michaud
Created:Thu Jan 23 1992
Last Modified:Thu Jun 05 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1060
Total number of notes:10477

660.0. "Official 1994 Tax Questions Note" by BROKE::SHAH (Amitabh "Amend Constitution: ban DECAF") Tue Jan 18 1994 15:11

	Please keep your tax questions for 1994 to this note. 

	Thank you. 
T.RTitleUserPersonal
Name
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660.1capital gains with partial excercise of optionsBROKE::SHAHAmitabh "Amend Constitution: ban DECAF"Tue Jan 18 1994 15:1610
	How do I compute my capital gains in this case?

	Bought 10 calls for a stock for say X each. 

	Sold 8 of the 10 calls at various prices, for say Y each on avg. and 
	excercised remaining 2 calls. 

	Is my gain 8Y - 10X and the basis for the stock purchase the option 
	strike price, or is my gain 8Y - 8X and the basis for the stock 
	purchase is strike price + 2X? 
660.2None at banks or Post Offices, either :-(ELWOOD::KAPLANLarry Kaplan, DTN: 237-6872Wed Jan 19 1994 12:584
    Am I the only one who hasn't received a fed. tax package yet ?  In past
    years, I've always gotten it in December.

    L.
660.3Did you get it "prepared" last year?BROKE::SHAHAmitabh "Amend Constitution: ban DECAF"Wed Jan 19 1994 14:054
	I got a mail in early December that since I had used a professional
	tax person last year, they are not sending me a package, only the
	mailing label. This was also true of MA state. This wasn't the case
	in the previous years when I have used a professional. 
660.4Try the libraryNOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Wed Jan 19 1994 15:382
I got mine in December.  They've had them in my local public library since
then too.
660.5the forms were just lateCADSYS::CADSYS::RICHARDSONThu Jan 20 1994 09:213
    Both forms showed up last Saturday.
    
    /Charlotte
660.6If 1992 prepared by pro, then IRS yes MA noI18N::GLANTZThu Jan 20 1994 10:056
    My 1992 return was prepared by a professional.  Massachusetts sent me a 
    card notifying me that they would not send me 1993 forms; the IRS sent
    me the forms yesterday.
    
    (Now if only Investor Services would send me a statement of account
    covering last month's ESPP!)
660.7Taxpayer statisticsDIODE::CROWELLJon CrowellMon Jan 31 1994 09:046
    
    A few years ago my friend showed me the statistics on how much the
    average tax payer gives to charity.  It was based on income.  Does
    anyone have these statistics?
    
    Jon
660.81990 DATASLOAN::HOMMon Jan 31 1994 11:0123
Old data from Research Institute of America. It's 
based on IRS data on total deductions and the number of actual
claims for each type. I have no idea if the IRS used these numbers
for their "screens":



The 1990 averages by adjusted-gross-income group for medical, tax,
charitable-gift and interest deductions follow:

 Income           Med.        Tax      Gift         Int.
 (-000)

 $    25-30       3,306     2,069     1,129       4,662
 $    30-40       3,317     2,477     1,213       5,011
 $    40-50       3,621     3,015     1,315       5,667
 $    50-75       4,002     4,049     1,665       6,595
 $   75-100       6,003     5,888     2,112       8,847
 $   100-200     12,087     9,359     3,442      13,324
 $   200-500     26,295     20,075    7,367      20,831
 $  500-1000     58,596     42,609    16,815     30,315
 $   1,000+      68,915    140,715    80,144     67,440
                                                           
660.9Medical Deductions Question.SWAM2::WANTJE_RAWed Feb 02 1994 18:036
    Is the amount we have deducted for medical insurance from the Digital
    payroll count as a medical deduction?
    
    The figures in .-1 seem very high for med and gift.
    
    Ralph
660.10USCTR1::BJORGENSENWed Feb 02 1994 21:423
    I think medical insurance expense comes off your gross income - and
    is not taxed.  Check for sure, but that's what I recall.
    
660.11VMSDEV::HAMMONDCharlie Hammond -- ZKO3-04/S23 -- dtn 381-2684Thu Feb 03 1994 10:597
If my memory is correct, medical/health insurance is a deductible
medical expense, but medical expenses are deductible ONLY to the 
extent that they exceed some percent of your income.  If you have 
reasonably good health insurace you either have a major tragedy or
you're below the limit.

This should be explained in the instructions.
660.12NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Mon Feb 07 1994 15:325
If your medical insurance is taken out of pretax dollars, as it is here at DEC,
you can't deduct it as a medical expense.  Otherwise you'd effectively be
deducting it twice.

The same is true of medical expenses that are paid out of an HCRA.
660.131 exemption = ? dollarsTOOLS::TLE::PERIQUETDennis Periquet, DEC BASIC compiler developmentMon Feb 14 1994 16:1524
    
    Does anyone know how much one exemption (a number you select on your
    W-4) is equivalent to in terms of deductions?
    
    I'm going to buy a home and will be financing it and therefore will be
    paying deductible interest throughout 1994.  I would like to increase
    the number of exemptions on my W-4 so that I get as little back as
    possible when I file my Federal taxes.
    
    I was told at one time that one exemption was equivalent to $2500 in
    deductions meaning that if you are going to pay $5000 in deductible
    interest this year, you should take 2 exemptions (2 * $2500 = $5000) so
    that at the end of the year, you get nothing back (with respect to
    deductible interest).
    
    My strategy is that since I will be paying deductible interest, I'd
    like to get my refund throught the year instead of at the end of the
    year.
    
    Thanks,
    
    Dennis
    
    
660.14I wouldn't want to guess the rate for this year.CADSYS::RITCHIEGotta love log homesMon Feb 14 1994 16:215
You'll have to pick up the w-4 form from your PSA (or whatever they are called
these days) anyway to submit the info.  The form has all the instructions, and
even a worksheet.  If you get the form, you'll have your answer.

Elaine
660.15I'll get the W-4 TOOLS::TLE::PERIQUETDennis Periquet, DEC BASIC compiler developmentTue Feb 15 1994 10:514
    
    Thank you Elaine.
    
    Dennis
660.16exemption = dependentKOALA::BOUCHARDThe enemy is wiseTue Feb 15 1994 12:004
    I believe that one exemption is approximately (exactly?) equal 'one
    dependend'.  So taking the deduction per dependent (from the 1040)
    times your marginal tax rate (28%, 31%, etc.) probably would give a
    reasonable estimate.
660.172-incomes can change thingsNOVA::RUBINOTue Feb 15 1994 14:398
    
    Be careful if you are in the "two-jobs/two-income" bracket. You
    could get stung, depending on your salaries.
    
    Check the W-4 worksheet.
    
    mike
    
660.18Property taxes deductible?TOOLS::TLE::PERIQUETDennis Periquet, DEC BASIC compiler developmentTue Feb 15 1994 15:2813
    
    I just got a copy of a W-4.  There is a worksheet to perform the
    calculation.  We are in the two wage couple category.  Both hus-
    band and wife have jobs.  We will determine if filing jointly or
    separately is better.  If we file separately, I will be taking all
    itemized deductions.
    
    BTW, are property taxes deductible?
    
    
    Thanks,
    
    Dennis
660.19If inaccurate, it's not the IRS's problemTLE::JBISHOPTue Feb 15 1994 15:4516
    Don't trust fully in the worksheet--I know I'd be in _BIG_
    trouble if I signed up for the number of exemptions it claims 
    I could.  It's not good at two-income couples who invest.
    
    I'm not talking about the difference between three and two
    exemptions, but the difference between two (it says) and 
    "Zero exemptions and please take a bunch more out each week"
    (which is what keeps me from being underwithheld).
    
    Take the conclusion from the worksheet and check it against last
    year's return--would enough be withheld?  Remember, the Evil Empire
    is not responsible for the result of the worksheet--if you get
    the wrong number of exemptions, it's not their problem, it's
    _your_ problem.
    
    		-John Bishop
660.20NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Tue Feb 15 1994 16:035
If you make sure that you have enough deducted so that your total deductions
are more than last year's tax liability, you won't have to pay a penalty.
Of course, you may end up getting a free loan from Uncle Sam (meaning you'll
owe him a bunch come next April).  Around November, I figured that I'd fall
somewhat below last year's tax liability, so I filed a W4 to fix it.
660.21TOOLS::TLE::PERIQUETDennis Periquet, DEC BASIC compiler developmentTue Feb 15 1994 16:1812
    
    My tax liability this year is $48 so I should have no problem ensuring
    that my total deductions exceed 1993's tax liability -- unless you mean
    total liability (the amount of Federal tax I paid throughout the year
    plus the $48 I now owe which is much bigger).
    
    To ensure that I have enough withheld, I would have to know how much
    less is withheld if I take one more personal allowance.  This should be
    $2500 times the marginal tax rate.  If this proves to be correct, then
    I can calculate very accurate numbers and determine the number of
    personal allowances that way.
    
660.22Or just get the current tax tables and avoid guesstimatingPTPM06::TALCOTTWed Feb 16 1994 08:43374
 Here's some tax tables from '93 (*last year*). My PSA told me they'd appear in
VTX, although I never looked there as what's below was sufficient for me. I
blow off the W-4 calculations, look at previous year's tax status/income,
project for the current year and claim the appropriate number of exemptions
from the table below based on how much I want withheld for the year. I have
income and deductions that varie from year to year, so I may modify the amount
withheld a couple of times over the year. I believe the IRS wants you to
withhold at pretty similar amounts throughout the year - they don't like $0 for
three quarters and "withold every cent I earn" in the final quarter.
  For current tables you can hunt through VTX or ask a PSA for a copy.

						Trace
From: My PSA back in April '93
Info you requested.

Subj:	1993 Updated Tax Tables - These will be posted on VTX this week 

1993 Federal Withholding Tables                    

FEDERAL WITHHOLDING TABLE
SINGLE Persons-WEEKLY Payroll Period
(For Wages Paid in 1993)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
And the wages are- | And the number of withholding allowances claimed is-
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
         | But less|  0  | 1  | 2  | 3  | 4  | 5  | 6  | 7  | 8  | 9  | 10
At least | than    |------------------------------------------------------
         |         | The amount of income tax to be withheld shall be-
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
    $0	      50      0	   0	0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
    50	      55      1    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
    55        60      1    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
    60        65      2    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
    65        70      3    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
    
    70        75      4    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
    75        80      4    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
    80        85      5    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
    85        90      6    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
    90        95      7    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
    
    95       100      7    1    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
   100       105      8    1    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
   105       110      9    2    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
   110       115     10    3    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
   115       120     10    4    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0

   120       125     11    4    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
   125       130     12    5    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
   130       135     13    6    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
   135       140     13    6    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
   140       145     14    7    1    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
  
   145       150     15    8    1    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
   150       155     16    9    2    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
   155       160     16   10    3    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
   160       165     17   10    4    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
   165       170     18   11    4    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
   
   170       175     19   12    5    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
   175       180     19   13    6    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
   180       185     20   13    7    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
   185       190     21   14    7    1    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
   190       195     22   15    8    1    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
   
   195       200     22   16    9    2    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
   200       210     23   17   10    3    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
   210       220     25   18   11    5    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
   220       230     26   20   13    6    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
   230       240     28   21   14    8    1    0    0    0    0    0    0
  
   240       250     29   23   16    9    2    0    0    0    0    0    0
   250       260     31   24   17   11    4    0    0    0    0    0    0
   260       270     32   26   19   12    5    0    0    0    0    0    0
   270       280     34   27   20   14    7    0    0    0    0    0    0
   280       290     35   29   22   15    8    2    0    0    0    0    0

   290       300     37   30   23   17   10    3    0    0    0    0    0
   300       310     38   32   25   18   11    5    0    0    0    0    0
   310       320     40   33   26   20   13    6    0    0    0    0    0
   320       330     41   35   28   21   14    8    2    0    0    0    0
   330       340     43   36   29   23   16    9    3    0    0    0    0
   
   340       350     44   38   31   24   17   11    4    0    0    0    0
   350       360     46   39   32   26   19   12    5    0    0    0    0
   360       370     47   41   34   27   20   14    7    0    0    0    0
   370       380     49   42   35   29   22   15    8    2    0    0    0
   380       390     50   44   37   30   23   17   10    3    0    0    0
  
   390       400     52   45   38   32   25   18   11    5    0    0    0
   400       410     53   47   40   33   26   20   13    6    0    0    0
   410       420     55   48   41   35   28   21   14    8    1    0    0
   420       430     56   50   43   36   29   23   16    9    2    0    0
   430       440     58   51   44   38   31   24   17   11    4    0    0
   
   440       450     59   53   46   39   32   26   19   12    5    0    0
   450       460     61   54   47   41   34   27   20   14    7    0    0
   460       470     64   56   49   42   35   29   22   15    8    1    0
   470       480     67   57   50   44   37   30   23   17   10    3    0
   480       490     70   59   52   45   38   32   25   18   11    4    0
   
   490       500     73   60   53   47   40   33   26   20   13    6    0
   500       510     75   63   55   48   41   35   28   21   14    7    1
   510       520     78   66   56   50   43   36   29   23   16    9    2
   520       530     81   68   58   52   44   38   31   24   17   10    5
   530       540     84   71   59   53   46   39   32   26   19   12    7
   
   540       550     87   74   61   54   47   41   34   27   20   13    8
   550       560     89   77   64   56   49   42   35   29   22   15   10
   560       570     92   80   67   57   50   44   37   30   23   16   11
   570       580     95   82   70   59   52   45   38   32   25   18   13
   580       590     98   85   73   60   53   47   40   33   26   19   14

   590       600    101   88   75   63   55   48   41   35   28   21   14
   600       610    103   91   78   66   56   50   43   36   29   22   16
   610       620    106   94   81   68   58   51   44   38   31   24   17
   620       630    109   96   84   71   59   53   46   39   32   25   19
   630       640    112   99   87   74   61   54   47   41   34   28   20

   640       650    115  102   89   77   64   56   49   42   35   28   22
   650       660    117  105   92   80   67   57   50   44   37   30   23
   660       670    120  108   95   82   70   59   52   45   38   31   25
   670       680    123  110   98   85   72   60   53   47   40   33   26
   680       690    126  113  101   88   75   63   55   48   41   34   28
   
   690       700    129  116  103   91   78   65   56   50   43   36   29
   700       710    131  119  106   94   81   68   58   51   44   37   31
   710       720    134  122  109   96   84   71   59   53   46   39   32
   720       730    137  124  112   99   86   74   61   54   47   40   34
   730       740    140  127  115  102   89   77   64   56   49   42   35
   
   740       750    143  130  117  105   92   79   67   57   50   43   37
   750       760    145  133  120  108   95   82   70   59   52   45   38
   760       770    148  136  123  110   98   85   72   60   53   46   40
   770       780    151  138  126  113  100   88   75   63   55   48   41
   780       790    154  141  129  116  103   91   78   65   56   49   43
   
   790       800    157  144  131  119  106   93   81   68   58   51   44
   800       810    159  147  134  122  109   96   84   71   59   52   46
   810       820    162  150  137  124  112   99   86   74   61   54   47
   820       830    165  152  140  127  114  102   89   77   64   55   59
   830       840    168  155  143  130  117  105   92   79   67   57   50

   840       850    171  158  145  133  120  107   95   82   69   58   52
   850       860    173  161  148  136  123  110   98   85   72   60   53
   860       870    176  164  151  138  126  113  100   88   75   62   55
   870       880    179  166  154  141  128  116  103   91   78   65   56
   880       890    182  169  157  144  131  119  106   93   81   68   58

   890       900    185  172  159  147  134  121  109   96   83   71   59
   900       910    187  175  162  150  137  124  112   99   86   74   61
   910       920    190  178  165  152  140  127  114  102   89   76   64
   920       930    193  180  168  155  142  130  117  105   92   79   77
   930       940    196  183  171  158  145  133  120  107   95   82   69
   
   940       950    199  186  173  161  148  135  123  110   97   85   72
   950       960    202  189  176  164  151  138  126  113  100   88   75
   960       970    205  192  179  166  154  141  128  116  103   90   78
   970       980    208  194  182  169  156  144  131  119  106   93   81
   980       990    211  297  185  172  159  147  134  121  109   96   83
   
   990     1,000    214  200  187  175  162  149  137  124  112   99   86
 1,000     1,010    217  203  190  178  165  152  140  127  114  102   89
 1,010     1,020    220  206  193  180  168  155  142  130  117  104   92
 1,020     1,030    224  210  196  183  170  158  145  133  120  107   95
 1,030     1,040    227  213  199  186  173  161  148  135  123  110   97
 
 1,040     1,050    230  216  202  189  176  163  151  138  125  113  100
 1,050     1,060    233  219  205  192  179  166  154  141  128  116  103
 1,060     1,070    236  222  208  194  182  169  156  144  131  118  106
 1,070     1,080    239  225  211  297  184  172  159  147  134  121  109
 1,080     1,090    242  228  214  200  187  175  162  149  137  124  111
 
 1,090     1,100    245  231  217  203  190  177  165  152  139  127  114
 1,100     1,110    248  234  220  206  193  180  168  155  142  130  117
 1,110     1,120    251  237  223  209  196  183  170  158  145  132  120
 1,120     1,130    255  241  227  213  199  186  173  161  148  135  123
 1,130     1,140    258  244  230  216  202  189  176  163  151  138  125
 
 1,140     1,150    261  247  233  219  205  191  179  166  153  141  128
 1,150     1,160    264  250  236  222  208  194  182  169  156  144  131
 1,160     1,170    267  253  239  225  211  197  184  172  159  146  134
 1,170     1,180    270  256  242  228  214  200  187  175  162  149  137
 1,180     1,190    273  259  245  231  217  203  190  177  165  152  139
 
 1,190     1,200    276  262  248  234  220  206  193  180  167  155  142
 1,200     1,210    279	 265  251  237  223  209  296  183  170  158  145
 1,210     1,220    282  268  254  240  226  212  298  186  173  163  148
 1,220     1,230    286  272  258  244  230  216  202  189  176  166  151 
 1,230     1,240    289  275  261  247  233  219  205  191  179  169  156
                
              Over 1,240, contact U.S. Payroll at  
                        Vaxmail - Canon::pay_question or
		        All-in-1 - @canon@pay_question@pko
		        


1993 Federal Withholding Tables                    

FEDERAL WITHHOLDING TABLE
MARRIED Persons-WEEKLY Payroll Period 
(For Wages Paid in 1993)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
And the wages are- | And the number of withholding allowances claimed is-
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
         | But less|  0  | 1  | 2  | 3  | 4  | 5  | 6  | 7  | 8  | 9  | 10
At least | than    |------------------------------------------------------
         |         | The amount of income tax to be withheld shall be-
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
    $0       125      0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
   125       130      1    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
   130       135      2    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
   135       140      3    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
   140       145      3    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
   
   145       150      4    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
   150       155      5    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
   155       160      6    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
   160       165      6    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
   165       170      7    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
   
   170       175      8    1    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
   175       180      9    2    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
   180       185      9    3    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
   185       190     10    3    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
   190       195     11    4    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
   
   195       200     12    5    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
   200       210     13    6    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
   210       220     14    8    1    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
   220       230     16    9    2    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
   230       240     17   11    4    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
   
   240       250     19   12    5    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
   250       260     20   14    7    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
   260       270     22   15    8    2    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
   270       280     23   17   10    3    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
   280       290     25   18   11    5    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
  
   290       300     26   20   13    6    0    0    0    0    0    0    0
   300       310     28   21   14    8    1    0    0    0    0    0    0
   310       320     29   23   16    9    2    0    0    0    0    0    0
   320       330     31   24   17   11    4    0    0    0    0    0    0
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   340       350     34   27   20   14    7    0    0    0    0    0    0
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   390       400     41   35   28   21   14    7    1    0    0    0    0
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   440       450     49   42   35   29   22   15    8    1    0    0    0
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   490       500     56   50   43   36   29   22   16    9    2    0    0
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   530       540     62   56   49   42   35   28   22   15    8    1    0
   
   540       550     64   57   50   44   37   30   23   16   10    3    0
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   570       580     68   62   55   48   41   34   28   21   14    7    1
   580       590     70   63   56   50   43   36   29   22   16    9    2

   590       600     71   65   58   51   44   37   31   24   17   10    4
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   610       620     74   68   61   54   47   40   34   27   20   13    7
   620       630     76   69   62   56   49   42   35   28   22   15    8
   630       640     77   71   64   57   50   43   37   30   23   16   10
   
   640       650     79   72   65   59   52   45   38   31   25   18   11
   650       660     80   74   67   60   53   46   40   33   26   19   13
   660       670     82   75   68   62   55   48   41   34   28   21   14
   670       680     83   77   70   63   56   49   43   36   29   22   16 
   680       690     85   78   71   65   58   51   44   37   31   24   17
   
   690       700     86   80   73   66   59   52   46   39   32   25   19
   700       710     88   81   74   68   61   54   47   40   34   27   20
   710       720     89   83   76   69   62   55   49   42   35   28   22
   720       730     91   84   77   71   64   57   50   43   37   30   23
   730       740     92   86   79   72   65   58   52   45   38   31   25
   
   740       750     94   87   80   74   67   60   53   46   40   33   26
   750       760     95   89   82   75   68   61   55   48   41   34   28
   760       770     97   90   83   77   70   63   56   49   43   36   29
   770       780     98   92   85   78   71   64   58   51   44   37   31
   780       790    100   93   86   80   73   66   59   52   46   39   32
   
   790       800    103   95   88   81   74   67   61   54   47   40   34
   800       810    106   96   89   83   76   69   62   55   49   42   35
   810       820    108   98   91   84   77   70   64   57   50   43   37
   820       830    111   99   92   86   79   72   65   58   52   45   38
   830       840    114  101   94   87   80   73   67   60   53   46   40
   
   840       850    117  104   95   89   82   75   68   61   55   48   41
   850       860    120  107   97   90   83   76   70   63   56   49   43
   860       870    122  110   98   92   85   78   71   64   58   51   44
   870       880    125  113  100   93   86   79   73   66   59   52   46
   880       890    128  115  103   95   88   81   74   67   61   54   47
   
   890       900    131  118  106   96   89   82   76   69   62   55   49
   900       910    134  121  108   98   91   84   77   70   64   57   50
   910       920    136  124  111   99   92   85   79   72   65   58   52
   920       930    139  127  114  101   94   87   80   73   67   60   53
   930       940    142  129  117  104   95   88   82   75   68   61   55
 
   940       950    145  132  120  107   97   90   83   76   70   63   56
   950       960    148  135  122  110   98   91   85   78   71   64   58
   960       970    150  138  125  112  100   93   86   79   73   66   59
   970       980    153  141  128  115  103   94   88   81   74   67   61
   980       990    156  143  131  118  105   96   89   82   76   69   62
   
   990     1,000    159  146  134  121  108   97   91   84   77   70   64
 1,000     1,010    162  149  136  124  111   99   92   85   79   72   65
 1,010     1,020    164  152  139  126  114  101   94   87   80   73   67
 1,020     1,030    167  155  142  129  117  104   95   88   82   75   68
 1,030     1,040    170  157  145  132  119  107   97   90   83   76   70 
 
 1,040     1,050    173  160  148  137  122  110   98   91   85   78   71
 1,050     1,060    176  163  150  138  125  112  100   93   86   79   73
 1,060     1,070    178  166  153  140  128  115  103   94   88   81   74
 1,070     1,080    181  169  156  143  131  118  105   96   89   82   76
 1,080     1,090    184  171  159  146  133  121  108   97   91   84   77
 
 1,090     1,100    187  174  162  149  136  124  111   99   92   85   79
 1,100     1,110    190  177  164  152  139  126  114  101   94   87   80
 1,110     1,120    192  180  167  154  142  129  117  104   95   88   82
 1,120     1,130    195  183  170  157  145  132  119  107   97   90   83
 1,130     1,140    198  185  173  160  147  135  122  109  100   91   85
 
 1,140     1,150    201  188  176  163  150  138  125  112  103   93   86
 1,150     1,160    204  191  178  166  153  140  128  115  105   94   88
 1,160     1,170    206  194  181  168  156  143  131  118  108   96   89
 1,170     1,180    209  197  184  171  159  146  133  121  111   97   91
 1,180     1,190    212  199  187  174  161  149  136  123  114   99   92
 
 1,190     1,200    215  202  190  177  164  152  139  126  114  101   94
 1,200     1,210    218  205  192  180  167  154  142  129  116  104   95
 1,210     1,220    220  208  195  182  170  157  145  132  119  107   97
 1,220     1,230    223  211  198  185  173  160  147  135  122  109   98
 1,230     1,240    226  213  201  188  175  163  150  137  125  112  100
 
 1,240     1,250    229  216  204  191  178  166  153  140  128  115  102
 1,250     1,260    232  219  206  194  181  168  156  143  130  118  105
 1,260     1,270    234  222  209  196  184  171  159  146  133  121  108
 1,270     1,280    237  225  212  199  187  174  161  149  136  123  111
 1,280     1,290    240  227  215  202  189  177  164  151  139  126  114
 
 1,290     1,300    243  230  218  205  192  180  167  154  142  129  116
 1,300     1,310    246	 233  220  208  195  182  170  157  144  132  119
 1,310     1,320    248  236  223  210  198  185  173  160  147  135  122
 1,320     1,330    251  239  226  213  201  188  175  163  150  137  125
 1,330     1,340    254  241  229  216  203  191  178  165  153  140  128

 1,340     1,350    257  244  232  219  206  194  181  168  156  143  130
 1,350     1,360    260  247  234  222  209  196  184  171  158  146  133
 1,360     1,370    262  250  237  224  212  199  187  174  161  149  136
 1,370     1,380    265  253  240  227  215  202  189  177  164  151  139
 1,380     1,390    268  255  243  230  217  205  192  179  167  154  142

              Over 1,390, contact U.S. Payroll at
			  Vaxmail - Canon::pay_question 
			  All-in-1 - @Canon@pay_questions@pko
660.23ZENDIA::FERGUSONRed XWed Feb 16 1994 09:195
Another alternative is to just have a defined extra dollar-amount taken out
of your check for Fed and State.  This is what I do to avoid owing lots to
the Gov't due to excessive cap.gains, dividends, etc.  $10 each week for
the feds, $2 each week to MA.

660.24Two questionsCADSYS::CADSYS::BENOITWed Feb 16 1994 09:208
1: Is anyone required to pay estimated taxes?....or is it just to avoid the   
penalty?

2:  With no load mutual funds there is an internal management fee associated 
with the fund.  Why can't (or can this) be deducted as an expense of collecting
managing stocks etc....just like loads or commissons?

Michael
660.25VMSDEV::HAMMONDCharlie Hammond -- ZKO3-04/S23 -- dtn 381-2684Wed Feb 16 1994 10:0826
re: 660.18

1)  Property Taxes for your primary residence are deductible.
    I'm don't know about a secondary/vacation property.

2)  Look out here...
>              ... We are in the two wage couple category.  ...      
>                      ...  If we file separately, I will be taking all
>    itemized deductions.
    
    Sorry, but if you are married and file separately either you both must
    itemize or you both must use the standard deduction.  You can't use
    both standard deductions AND itemized deductions any more than you can
    if you file jointly.  
    
    However, if you income puts you into a higher marginal rate than you 
    spouse, then your claiming all the itemized deductions may lower you
    tax bill more than it raises your spouse's, so it can still be a
    good idea.
    
    Also, if one spouse claims the other for an exemption then the other 
    spouse cannot claim him/herself.

    
*** AS ALWAYS, IF YOU HAVE A COMPLEX PROBLEM CONSULT A TAX ATTORNEY OR
    ACCOUNTANT RATHER THAN TRUSTING INFORMATION FOUND HERE!
660.26Net and Gross; WithholdingTLE::JBISHOPWed Feb 16 1994 11:0555
    re .24
    
    Estimated Taxes
    ===============
    
    Estimated taxes are required by the Feds (as Tracey Talcott suggested,
    there are limits you must meet on a quarterly basis), but that's taken
    care of for most people by withholding.  At least some states (e.g. the
    ones I've paid taxes to) have a similiar requirement.  In NH, the 
    "interest and dividends" tax has required payments of estimated taxes
    under certain conditions (along the lines of "you paid more than $250 
    for this tax in the previous year", I think).

    Since most people are salary-only the normal withholding is sufficient;
    if you have significant amounts (iver a few hundred dollars) of captial 
    gains, interest or dividends and are not subject to the special pre-emptive
    withholding, you'll have to make estimated payments to meet the Federal 
    (and State, if applicable) requirements. The easiest way to do this is 
    to up your salary withholding amounts.
    
    One other issue is predicability--the performance of your investments
    is usually harder to predict than your salary.  Since a run-up in
    December could potentially give you big gains for the whole year, it's
    important for those who have the possibility of substantial investment
    income to withhold enough to cover the possibility of a wonderful up
    year (balancing the payment of penalties for under-withholding in up
    years against the foregone income on down ones).
    
    Assume, for example, that you have one chance in ten of making $10K
    from your investements, one in ten of losing the same amount, and
    eight in ten of making $1K.  Assume your marginal tax rate is 30%.
    Then your potential liability ranges from -3K to +3K.  If the
    total penalty (including interest and the risk of closer supervision
    or legal action in the future) is 33%, then if you plan for the 
    "normal" $1K return, one year in ten you'll pay an extra penalty of
    $1K.  If on the other hand, you withhold for the extraordinary year
    every time, eight years in ten you'll forego interest on the amounts 
    withheld over the year, amounting to about $100.  On the bad years 
    you'll forego even more. 
    
    Somewhere in the numbers (and you'd have to use real-er ones!) you
    could calculate your optimal withholding amount to minimize the 
    expected loss.
    
    Deducting Management Fees
    =========================
    
    If you got the gross returns from the mutual fund and then paid a
    management fee, there'd be an argument for deducting the fee.  Since
    the offical returns to you are net (calculated after the management 
    fee is taken out), the fee is never income to you--in a sense the
    fee has already been deducted!
    
    		-John Bishop
    
660.27Taxes & MarriageTOOLS::TLE::PERIQUETDennis Periquet, DEC BASIC compiler developmentWed Feb 16 1994 11:2722
	Thanks Charlie.  You're right -- unfortunately.  I checked this by
	looking at the 1993 Form 1040 (lines 33 & 34).

	This means that if we remained single and bought the home, my
	fiance' would be able to use the $3700 standard decuction and I
	would be able to take all itemized deductions.  But because we
	will be married, if I take all itemized deductions, she cannot
	take the $3700 standard decuction (which for the 28% bracket is
	about $1036 in extra taxes).

	Therefore, if we don't make that $1036 back though more deductions
	as a result of being able to itemize, we end up paying more taxes
	just because we got married!

	Given that we will be married, it looks like the only advantage to
	filing separately is when one income goes into a higher bracket and
	the itemized deductions reduce the tax bill, etc. as Charlie mentions
	in .-1.

	Dennis
	
660.28CADSYS::CADSYS::BENOITWed Feb 16 1994 11:2810
John,

So if I my wife and I both claim 0 deductions, and we have to pay a penalty
for 1993 taxes due to under-withholding, we automatically have to pay estimated
taxes for 1994?  We can pay these taxes in 1994 by having "extra money" taken
out of our checks, or file quaterly estimated payments.  As long as we cover
110% or 100% (depending on the AGI) of 1993 tax libility, we will not be subject
to penalty when we file in 1995 for 1994 tax year.  

/mtb
660.29ZENDIA::FERGUSONRed XWed Feb 16 1994 13:471
Can one deduct sales tax paid on a car?
660.30CADSYS::CADSYS::BENOITWed Feb 16 1994 14:013
no, sales tax on cars in not...MASS excise tax is however deductible.

/mtb
660.31Solution is to get rid of progressivityTLE::JBISHOPWed Feb 16 1994 16:5127
    re .28
    
    I don't know how the penalties work, I suspect you have the right
    sequence of events if not the legal requirements.
    
    The point that I was trying to make is that _everyone_ must pay
    estimates, but for most people it's done semi-automatically by
    withholding.
    
    re .27, marriage penalty
    
    When I found out that we would be paying enough extra each year
    to buy a used car just to be married, I suggested to my not-yet-wife
    that we could live together and have kids without that little ceremony
    and legal status change, and save up a nice amount.  She said "No".
    I then suggested she pay the penalty, since I was willing to avoid
    it, so we were doing this for her, she should pay.  She said "No".
    But you might have more success arguing than I did!
    
    It's a consequence of our tax system--it recognizes marriage (incomes
    are pooled for tax purposes) and is progressive (2X pays more taxes
    than two instances of 1X).  The combination means either there is a
    single penalty when you compare one person making $X against two making
    $X, or a marriage penalty when you compare two people making $X each
    against a married couple of the same income.
    
    		-John Bishop
660.32Second homes?MARVA2::BUCHMANUNIX refugee in a VMS worldWed Feb 16 1994 16:5816
    The 1040 booklet describing deductions for interest on house payments
    indicate that you can deduct the interest on your primary and secondary
    homes. It doesn't mention anything about only a percentage of your
    interest on the second home being deductable. A couple years ago, I
    thought that I had heard that Congress would be getting rid of interest
    deductions on second homes. Did I hear that wrong? Is the interest on
    both homes deductable?
    
    Also, is there any residency requirement for a house to be considered
    your primary home? The tax booklet just says it needs things like a
    kitchen, bathroom, and sleeping facilities. We had a case where for a
    while we owned three houses, but were not yet making payments on the
    house we lived in, just on the other two. Can I deduct the interest on
    those two houses without fear of getting slapped wrists?
    			Tnx,
    
660.33You still have some latitude even when marriedPTPM06::TALCOTTThu Feb 17 1994 09:3723
.27:
  Aside from the rules about how deductions/itemizations are handled when
you're married, you can still target a few things. When we used to have an
accountant do our taxes we'd have her run the numbers for filing both jointly
and separately. All it took was letting her know which expenses were related to
whom, and when she finished a stroke on her keyboard generated the comparison.
The results in our case were usually pretty close, with one approach reducing
our combined tax liability by maybe $150 over another. But then I've never
turned down $150, either :-). My income is higher than my wife's and I
generally own/pay for items that are deductible since if we file separately I'm
in a higher bracket. FYI I believe we'd ended up filing jointly in almost every
year we've been married because of the both-must-itemize-or-use-standard-
deduction angle.

.31:
  Marriage penalty - my previously divorced father and his now-wife didn't
marry and saved a bundle. They got married last year, however. He found out
that the flip side of the coin was that when he expired, a wife was entitled to
a much larger chunk of his pension pie than was a POSSLQ. He's planning on
retiring this year and given their reduced income and the pension issue,
they're now married.

Trace [No "e" in Tracy, John]; "Trac" for a nickname sounded pretty stupid :-)
660.34OptionsSMAUG::DANAThu Feb 17 1994 13:346
    
    Simple question regarding options.  I bought some call options and
    later sold them, I never exercised them.  Do these go on Schedule D?
    The directions for Schedule D are somewhat vague.
    
    Thanks
660.35BROKE::SHAHAmitabh "Amend Constitution: ban DECAF"Thu Feb 17 1994 13:415
	Re. .34

	yes. Treat the gains/losses on your options like you'd treat stocks
	and mutual funds. Your broker will not include these transactions
	on any 1099's, so you will have to keep proper records. 
660.36NOVA::FINNERTYSell high, buy lowFri Feb 18 1994 10:1010
    
    re: .34
    
    if they were index options, you need to fill out another form in 
    addition to Schedule D.  The form number is in the '88xx' range,
    if memory serves, and covers regulated futures and index options.
    The form was not included in last years' TurboTax, btw.
    
    /jim
    
660.37NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Mon Feb 21 1994 09:429
re .21:

>    My tax liability this year is $48 so I should have no problem ensuring
>    that my total deductions exceed 1993's tax liability -- unless you mean
>    total liability (the amount of Federal tax I paid throughout the year
>    plus the $48 I now owe which is much bigger).

Your tax liability is the total amount of taxes Uncle Sam gets from you.
If you owe $48 after paying $X in withholding, your tax liability is $X+48.
660.38Schedule C question & partial business useTOOLS::TLE::PERIQUETDennis Periquet, DEC BASIC compiler developmentMon Feb 21 1994 14:5639
    
    re: .37.  Your right Gerald.  I now understand the rules with
    withholding and how much I need to have taken out of my paycheck to
    avoid the penalty -- Thanks.
    
    New topic:
    
    I upgraded my desktop computer this year so that I can write
    and sell educational software as a sole proprietor.  I would
    like to deduct this cost on Schedule C (Business gains/losses).
    
    My problem is that although my intent was to use the desktop
    computer exclusively for business purposes, I have used it for
    home use too.  I use it about 75% for business and 25% for home
    use.
    
    I also have notebook computer bought specifically for home use
    but use it 25% for business and 75% for home use -- after I started
    the sole proprietorship, I found that it is convenient to give
    demos to prospective customers using the notebook computer.
    
    How much of my cost can I deduct?  I paid for the desktop upgrade
    in one payment but pay for the notebook (through EPP) using the
    monthly payment plan with 0% interest.
    
    This is the first time I've had a situation like this where I use
    personal property for both business and home use.
    
    Should I put 75% of the cost of the desktop as a business expense
    on Schedule C?  and deduct 25% of this year's monthly payments for
    the notebook computer as another business expense on Schedule C?
    
    I have the receipt for the desktop computer upgrade but don't
    have receipts for the notebook computer.
    
    Thanks,
    
    Dennis
    
660.39USCTR1::SHERMANTue Feb 22 1994 11:596
    My daughter, who is not my dependant, had a $5,000 loss in a car
    accident (no insurance, totaled car).  Is this type of a loss
    deductible on her tax return?
    
    Thanks,
    Judy
660.40Accidents = DeductibleKOALA::BOUCHARDThe enemy is wiseTue Feb 22 1994 12:114
    re: .39
    
    Yes, there is a form for Casualty and Theft losses.  These are only
    deductible if they exceed a certain threshold (2% of AGI, I believe).
660.41TLE::FELDMANOpportunities are our FutureTue Feb 22 1994 14:1837
re: .38

Your computers are listed property and must be entered
as such on Form 4562.  Working from memory, I believe
you can take the Sec. 179 deduction (i. e. take the full
amount of the computer in one year) for the home computer,
since it is used more than 50% in your business.  However,
this may not always be the best decision; if usage falls
below 50%, you'll have to recover the deduction in future
years.  You have no choice but to depreciate the notebook, 
since it is less than 50% business use.

In both cases, you must calculate a pro-rated basis based
on percentage of business use.  Pick up IRS Pub 334
(Small Business Guide), as well as the pub on How to 
Begin Depreciating Property and on Depreciation (numbers
escape me, but I could look them up at home if necessary).

The EPP loan is a separate transaction from the purchase.  
Since there's no interest involved, it's essentially 
irrelevate.  If I'm understanding this correctly, you
put the notebook into business use long after you actually
purchased it.  If that's correct, you'll have to come up
with a fair market value for the notebook as of the day you
started using it for business, use that as the full basis,
and then pro-rate it for business percentage.  (I think the
Globe still carries the Boston Computer Exchange going rates
once a week).  You may wind up with a lot of paperwork with
very little benefit.

For the desktop upgrade, assuming you used it for business
purposes right after purchasing it, use the full purchase
price and then pro-rate it.  Treat the original computer
equipment as a separate piece of equipment, and go through
the same fair market value stuff as for the notebook.

   Gary
660.42TLE::FELDMANOpportunities are our FutureTue Feb 22 1994 14:2010
re: .40

>    Yes, there is a form for Casualty and Theft losses.  These are only
>    deductible if they exceed a certain threshold (2% of AGI, I believe).

10% of AGI, plus some off-the-top deductibles.  It's not terribly
complicated to figure out, but it is more complicated than the average
tax form.

   Gary
660.43mutual fund tax questionAOSG::AFDFri Feb 25 1994 13:0625
This is a theoretical question but it is directly related to taxes.

Assume that I buy shares of a mutual fund over a 10 year period
and have all dividends and distributions re-invested.  I never sell
any but continue to buy more each year.

At the end of 10 years assume that I have put $100,000 into the mutual
fund (including the re-invested dividends and distributions).  But the
value of my holding is $200,000 (if I sold it all at once).  Instead of
selling it all at once (and having a taxable gain of $100,000), assume
that I sell only $10,000 worth.  How do I figure the cost of the mutual
fund shares represented by that $10,000 sale (which I need to know in
order to figure out my taxable gain)?

Then let's further complicate this by assuming that each year there-after
I don't put any more money into the mutual fund (but I do let dividends
and distributions be re-invested) and I continue to sell $10,000 worth
each year.  How do I fugure my taxable gain for each of those years?

Given that mutual funds tend to go by dollar amounts and not specific
share numbers, this looks like it could be very complicated.

Thanks for any insights,

 - Al
660.44You can specify which shares to sellTLE::JBISHOPFri Feb 25 1994 13:3827
    When you send a letter to the fund asking for sale, you can
    either specify which shares ("the shares I bought on 10/10/90")
    or not.  If you don't the IRS assumes you are selling your
    oldest shares (FIFO is the acronym for this: First In, First Out),
    and your tax liablity is based on that assumption.  If you do
    specify, then your tax liablity is based on the sale of the 
    specified shares.
    
    If you have years of re-investment, there will be lots of 
    little purchases, so your letters might be a very long list
    of dates.  But that's ok.  If you don't have records, ask
    the fund company for a history first.
    
    Generally you'll want to sell the shares on which you have
    the least gain first, to postpone taxation.  You'll also want
    to batch losses so that you don't have to roll them over to
    other years (I think you can have up to $3K of capital loss
    applied against income).  Thus, you might sell all the shares
    with a loss (total of -$X), and then sell shares starting with
    those that had the least gain, up to a total gain of $3K + X.
    Net result is no capital gain tax and a $3K deduction from 
    income.
    
    As always, complicated tax questions should be checked out with 
    a professional--here we just have opinions!
    
    		-John Bishop
660.45Capital loss question.CAMONE::ZIOMEKPump up the TESTFri Feb 25 1994 14:4519
    Hi,
    
    	I will be selling a home soon and would like to know if the
    commissions that you pay the realtor are deductable as a loss, assuming
    that you have taken a loss? 
    
    Where as
    
    Purchase price = 100k
    Selling price  = 95k
    Commission     =  5k
    		     -----
    			90k back to me...
    
    Can I take a loss on either the 90K or would it be on 95K? Assuming 3k
    per year spread out over the 'life' of the loss.
    
    Thanks,
    John
660.46Average costKOALA::BOUCHARDThe enemy is wiseFri Feb 25 1994 14:5214
    re: .43, .44
    
    Actually the IRS also allows you to base things on the average cost per
    share.  So if you invested $100,000 (including redistributions) and you
    now hold 10000 shares, your average cost is $10/share.  If you sell
    shares you can compute the gain based on this average.
    
    Many mutual fund companies are now computing gains and losses for
    people using this method and sending it to shareholders.
    
    This method only works if it is used consistently; for a given fund
    you must always use this mechanism or never use it.  While it isn't as
    good as specifically selling the most expensive shares it is much
    simpler from a record-keeping point of view.
660.47No loss for residenceKOALA::BOUCHARDThe enemy is wiseFri Feb 25 1994 14:5510
    re: .45
    
    You can't take a capital loss of the same of a residence.  Sorry.
    
    In general, costs associated with selling are deducted from the sale
    price.  This includes not just the real estate agent's commission, but
    any other sale-related expenses (money spent preparing the home for
    view, etc.)  Likewise any home-improvement type expenses (expenses
    which make the home more valuable) can be added to your cost basis for
    the home, further reducing your gain.
660.48No loss allowedELWOOD::KAPLANLarry Kaplan, DTN: 237-6872Fri Feb 25 1994 14:556
    My understanding is that capital losses from real-estate are not
    eligible as a capital loss at all.  You can, though, use the loss to
    reduce any deferred gain you're carrying from previous real-estate
    transactions.

    L.
660.49Casualty and TheftKOALA::BOUCHARDThe enemy is wiseFri Feb 25 1994 14:564
    re: .39
    
    Casualty & Theft is Form 4864.  .41 was correct, these can only be
    deducted over 10% of AGI.
660.50TLE::FELDMANOpportunities are our FutureMon Feb 28 1994 12:1721
re: .43, .44, .46

I believe that for 1994 (i. e., the returns you'll be doing a year from now),
the IRS requires the mutual funds to provide the average cost basis to you.
Those that are doing it now have simply gotten a head start on that
requirement.  Of course, if you've sold shares and used some other method, the 
basis that the fund computes for you will be useless, and you'll still have 
to do your own calculations.  Note that once you start using average cost,
you're stuck with it.  However, I believe you can switch to average cost
from other methods, and obviously you can always switch between FIFO and
designated shares.  (FIFO is just designated shares where you omitted the
designation, so the IRS "designates" the oldest shares for you.)

There's a sign error in .44.  If you really want $3K in losses to use
against other income, you must create X-$3K in gains to offset X in
total losses.  Otherwise, .44 is right in saying that you can move tax
around from year to year.  It isn't entirely clear whether it's worth
the effort.  Tax considerations are just a part of the decision as to
when to buy or sell.  

   Gary
660.51Yes, you want more losses than gainsTLE::JBISHOPMon Feb 28 1994 13:125
    re .44, .50
    
    Thanks for the correction, Gary!
    
    	-John Bishop
660.52question about a loss on a rental propertyNODEX::POLIKOFFArnie Polikoff MRO1-3/K16 Office 32503 297-2313Wed Mar 02 1994 14:3313
    	I have a question about a loss on a rental property.

    1. Used $50,000.000 equity from his home to buy a rental property in 1988.
    2. The purchase price of the rental property in 1988 was $176,000.00
    3. Went bankrupt in 1993.
    4. Bank foreclosed on the rental property in February 1994.
    5. The existing mortgage is $130,000.00 but the market value is nil because
       several houses in the neighborhood went into foreclosure and are not
       selling so they are still owned by the banks.

    Is there any way to claim the $50,000.00 loss on the IRS forms.

    			Arnie
660.53Spend the bucks for a CPA or other advisor!TLE::JBISHOPWed Mar 02 1994 16:2112
    You'll want to recommend getting professional help, but the big picture
    is that the IRS sees building and the mortgage as two separate things.
    
    I don't know how foreclosure is treated, but might guess it's treated as
    a sale for the balance of the mortgate--but I could be wrong, probably
    am wrong, and you should NOT rely on this.  I bet it depends on whether
    the loan is still in force or has been cancelled by the foreclosure.
    
    Anyway, it sounds like there's a real loss here--and one that will 
    require rolling over to future tax years.
    
    		-John Bishop
660.54Does not even deserve a title!PUFFNS::BELAYE_SWed Mar 09 1994 09:4614
    
    I would really appreciate a little help on the following:
    
    I bought 200 shares of X on 3/2/92 @$16/share.  X then 
    spun off Company Y and issued .85 warrants for each share 
    of X.  On 8/26/92 I was the owner of 170 warrants of Y
    which I sold on 3/25/93 for a net sum of (hold on to your 
    seats :^) $48.10.  On 12/9/93 I sold the 200 shares for
    the sum of (strap those seat belts, please! :^) $365.00
    
    I have no earthly idea how to treat this loss on Schedule D.
                                                           
    Many Thanks!
    Steve
660.55MRKTNG::BROCKSon of a BeechWed Mar 09 1994 09:594
    I -think- it is straightforward. You bought X for 3200 - sold for $365.
    Long term loss.
    I -think- your cost basis in the Y warrants is zero, so your net is a
    gain.
660.56Dividend?KOALA::BOUCHARDThe enemy is wiseWed Mar 09 1994 10:176
    You paid $3200 for securities you sold for ~$413.  One way or another
    you have a ($3200-$413) long term loss to declare.
    
    I'd go by how the issuing of the warrants was represented to you.  If
    you got a 1099 claiming that the warrants were a dividend, treat them
    as such...  
660.57early pension dist. ??WEDOIT::CALABRIATue Mar 15 1994 08:0618
	Hello,
		Upon leaving her previous job, my girlfriend
		recieved a lump sum total dist. from her pension
		plan.  She promptly spent the dough... 'bout $700

		the fed already took thier 20%, I assume MA treats
		it as ordinary income. is this dist. subject to the
		same 10% penalty as an early ira/401k dist. ???
		(she made no contributions)

		if so, is the 10% calculated pre or post tax?
		is form 4792 the right place to be?  the details
		are sketchy...

							thanks,

							John
660.58RANGER::CLARKTue Mar 15 1994 10:0116
Yes, the distribution is subject to a 10% penalty ($70). Also, maybe the feds
took their share, maybe not. Aside from the 10% penalty, the distribution
(before the penalty) is considered income: maybe the 20% withholding will cover
the income tax due on the distribution, maybe it won't.

Put the amount of the distribution in the line on 1040 which asks about pension
distributions. I'd expect the full amount of the distribution to be fully
taxable.

The distribution *requires* a Form 5329 (attached to return) which is where you
calculate the penalty. Record the penalty in the "other taxes" section of 1040.
I don't recall Form 4792 - I think that's for "regular" (not premature)
distributions - she won't need it.

I think  MA also has a line which asks about pension distributions (not sure).
At any rate, MA will tax the distribution as income with no additional penalty.
660.59TLE::FELDMANOpportunities are our FutureTue Mar 15 1994 10:297
re: .58

Starting this year (1993 returns) Form 5329 does not need to be filed 
in many simple cases.  Still, it's the best place to go to determine
the penalty, and to find instructions for how to declare it.

   Gary
660.60Call your broker about warrants distributionVSSCAD::SIGELWed Mar 16 1994 12:5227
Re .54

Since the warrants were distributed in 1992, it's too late to do anything about
the 1992 tax consequences for them if they were, in fact, a taxable
distribution.  So don't worry about it.

What you should do is call your broker (whoever sold you the stock) and ask them
what the value of the distributed warrants were.  The broker should have a
listing of all mergers, distributions, etc., explaining whether the transaction
was taxable, and what the value of the newly distributed shares or warrants or
whatever were.

Take the distribution price per share of the warrants, and multiply by 170. 
This is your "basis" or "cost" of the warrants.  Subtract this same amount from
what you paid for the stock.  The result is your new basis for the stock.

On Schedule D, list the 170 warrants and the 200 common share as separate sales,
filling in the cost/basis as above, and the sales price as what you received for
the sale.  The only odd thing might be the purchase date of the warrants -- have
your broker tell you whether it should be the date you received the warrants, or
the date you purchased the original stock, since both are possible depending on
arcane facets of tax law that I don't understand.  In fact, if the legal
purchase date of the warrants is when you received the warrants, then you have a
short term loss; if it should be when you bought the stock in the first place,
then you have a long term loss.  This difference can affect your final tax bill.

-- Andrew
660.61RANGER::CLARKThu Mar 17 1994 14:433
re .59... Can you supply a reference which describes the circumstances in which
a 5329 isn't required where it used to be? Lasser seems to indicate that there
are very few exceptions.
660.62TLE::FELDMANOpportunities are our FutureThu Mar 17 1994 15:168
It's right in the instructions for the 5329.  I believe that
if all the 1099-R forms have a distribution code of 1, then
the 5329 isn't necessary.  A typical case is a person leaving
a job, taking a single lump-sum distribution, and thus getting
a single 1099-R with code 1.  No 5329 is required unless you
file electronically.

   Gary
660.63Required repairs for house saleNPSS::WADENetwork Systems SupportFri Mar 18 1994 08:489
    I sold my house on 1-DEC-1993 and I made several thousand dollars worth
    of repairs/upgrades required to sell the house.  I was told that I
    could deduct these from my taxes as long as they were made less than 
    60 days prior to the sale.   Before I  dig into  this I was wondering
    if anyone has any ideas on where to look for  info and what forms I
    need?
    
    Thanks,
    Bill
660.64USCTR1::BJORGENSENFri Mar 18 1994 08:534
    I think it's added to the cost basis of your house, not as a tax 
    deduction to offset normal income.  If you have a taxable profit 
    from the sale of the house (ie you are not re-investing) then use
    it to reduce your gaine.
660.65not a happy camperZENDIA::FERGUSONRed XFri Mar 18 1994 09:124
	I just did a first pass on my FED income taxes, filing married
status for the first time.  Being married is costing me $1000.00 in extra
taxes this year! (I computed it single status and the diff. was $1k!
unbelievable!).
660.66IRA Investment DeadlineCTHQ::DELUCOShort people look up to meFri Mar 18 1994 09:164
    Do I have until filing deadline (15 April) to dump money into an IRA in
    order to avoid some 1993 taxes?
    
    Jim
660.67Misc repliesTLE::FELDMANOpportunities are our FutureFri Mar 18 1994 09:3917
re: .63

The form is 2119, Sale of Your Home, which you are required to file.
There's also an IRS pub on the subject, whose number I forget.
Reply .64 is correct in saying that they are added to your basis.
Even if it doesn't result in any benefit to you now, you should
still keep careful records, as it may pay off in the future.

re: .66

Yes, IRA contributions for 1993 may be made up to Apr. 15 1994.
Note that you can file before you make the contribution, as long
as you actually make it.  A fair number of people file early and
use their refund to fund their IRA contribution.  (Not necessarily
the best strategy, but it works for them.)

  Gary
660.68SOLVIT::CHENFri Mar 18 1994 09:517
    re: .66
    
    Yes, you still can make your 1993 IRA contribution until April 15. But,
    it may not be tax deductable. The tax deductability issue on IRAs has been
    discussed extensively elsewhere in this Notes File.
    
    Mike
660.69CTHQ::DELUCOInsert Funny Face HereFri Mar 18 1994 12:484
    Yes, I just found out that if you have a Save plan, IRA contributions
    are not tax deductible.
    
    	Jim
660.70Shall I double withholding allowances?TOOLS::TLE::PERIQUETDennis Periquet, DEC BASIC compiler developmentTue Mar 22 1994 14:4217
    
    I have a nifty worksheet to calculate withholding allowances I will be
    entitled to.  I am in the process of purchasing a home -- I will
    probably close around June.  My question is, suppose I calculate that I
    can claim 5 withholding allowances; should I double this because the
    withholding (i.e., reduced taxes) will only occur for only half the year?
    
    I think that the withholding allowances calculation assumes that they
    go into effect at the beginning of the year so that you have a whole year
    of bigger paycheck.  But, in my case, I will have only half a year of
    bigger paycheck -- thus, I need to get twice the amount _not_ withheld
    from my paycheck.  Am I right?
    
    Thanks,
    
    Dennis
    
660.71TLE::FELDMANOpportunities are our FutureWed Mar 23 1994 10:4318
Your reasoning is correct so long as you remember to 
change it back on Jan. 1.  Otherwise, you may be socked
with a large tax bill on your 95 taxes.  If
you included points in your allowance calculation, you'll
need to compensate for them, as well.  Or perhaps the
points are balanced by a having full year of real estate taxes.
It's easy to overlook things.  Personally, with bank interest
rates as low as they are, I don't worry too much about optimizing
my withholding.

The safest solution is to recalculate your expected 
withholding after the change is made, to verify that it
meets your expectations.  In fact, you may just want to get
into the habit of analyzing your withholding quarterly,
especially if there are large stock sales or other sources
of income that can change.

  Gary
660.72ThanksTOOLS::TLE::PERIQUETDennis Periquet, DEC BASIC compiler developmentWed Mar 23 1994 14:072
    
    Thanks Gary,  Dennis
660.74NETRIX::michaudJeff Michaud, PATHWORKS for Win. NTThu Mar 31 1994 21:556
>         By now I assume that everyone has heard about the strategy of 
>     	applying for an  extension on filing your taxes in order to avoid 
>     	being audited; .....

	I've never heard of that.  How does it "avoid" it?  The IRS
	can audit the return up to seven (7) years later!
660.76RANGER::CLARKFri Apr 01 1994 12:087
>       it just greatly diminishes the chances of your filing entry 
>   	from being routinely selected for an audit and thereby eliminates many
>    	inconveniences for the average taxpayer.

I was under the impression that your chance of being awarded a random audit is
on the order of >1%. Perhaps you'd care to share some of the tax-prep techniques
you've used that make it desirable to reduce that likelihood even further? ;^)
660.77Immigration Fees.SWAM2::WANTJE_RATue Apr 05 1994 17:536
    Are immigrations fees deductable?  My wife is from another country and
    we paid several hundred dollars to the U.S. Immigrantion Service for
    her residency status and work permit.  I believe some government fees
    are deductable, are these?
    
    Ralph
660.78"investment expenses"HPCGRP::TELLAThu Apr 07 1994 13:2510
What "investment expenses" can be claimed on Form 4792 vs under the 
Miscellaneous deductions (2% AGI) on Schedule A.

Examples: Interest expense? WSJ? Quicken?

There are 2 sections in the Publication on Interest claims that seem to 
cancel each other out.

Thanks for any help,
/Linda
660.79Municipal bonds and tax exemption from StateERLANG::CHIUDah Ming ChiuTue Apr 12 1994 17:5111
I owned some Fidelity MA Tax Free HY bond fund in 1993.
A letter from Fidelity in January advised me that for
that fund:
"...a portion of the long-term capital gain distributions you
received is exempted from Massachusetts income tax..."
In particular, 74.82% of the long-term capital gain
distributed in 12/10/93 is exempt from tax.

I am just curious how can long-term capital gains
can become exempt from state tax in general.  Is this another
way to encourage people to buy municipal bonds?
660.80ZENDIA::FERGUSONRed XWed Apr 13 1994 10:428
re               <<< Note 660.79 by ERLANG::CHIU "Dah Ming Chiu" >>>
               -< Municipal bonds and tax exemption from State >-

>I am just curious how can long-term capital gains
>can become exempt from state tax in general.  Is this another
>way to encourage people to buy municipal bonds?

yes.
660.81Help! ESPP questionRAGMOP::PIAZZAWed Apr 13 1994 15:1617
    I'm not sure if this is the right place for this... please point me in
    other directions if it isn't.
    
    I sold a bunch of Digital stock purchased through the ESPP.  Some of it
    is long-term gain; other is short-term gain.  The statement I get
    through Investor Services lists anything I've sold in the last 18
    months and uses 18 months to separate out short term gains from long
    term.  Yet on the tax form, they use 12 months to determine this.
    
    Also, the impression I get from Investor Services is that if the stock
    is less than 18 months old when sold, I do not use my actual purchase
    price as the "basis" for the stock, but use the ending FMV.  Can anyone
    provide some help or clarification on this?
    
    Thanks,
    
    Janet
660.82Short AnswerKOALA::BOUCHARDThe enemy is wiseWed Apr 13 1994 15:2418
660.832119 - sale of your homeNPSS::WADENetwork Systems SupportThu Apr 14 1994 12:5521
    I have a specific question regarding form 2119, sale of your house.  
    
    My "gain" on sale is ~ -30,000 (line 8) due to capital improvements.  Line
    8 does not say "enter 0 if less than 0". 

    I need to go to part IV because I made repairs.  So, I enter -30,000 on 
    line 15.  Then it looks like I have to stop here and enter this as a 
    capital loss but what about accounting for my fixing-up expenses and I
    was under the impression that there are no capital gains/losses
    associated with selling your house??  Seems like I can only account for
    fixing-up expenses if I made a profit on the sale.  This don't seem right!
                                                             
    If this seems too convoluted you are welcome to respond via mail or
    226-5696.  

    Talk about last minute (&^%$%^$#).  Good thing I have the extension form 
    and know what I owe.  

    Thanks,
    Bill   
    
660.84TLE::FELDMANOpportunities are our FutureThu Apr 14 1994 16:016
You cannot take a loss on the sale of your house.  
So the 30K is gone, as are the fixing up expenses.

You still need to file the 2119.

   Gary
660.85Long term ESPP still generates incomeDAVE::MITTONToken rings happenFri Apr 15 1994 18:1534
    This response is wrong in the last case.
    
RE: <<< Note 660.82 by KOALA::BOUCHARD "The enemy is wise" >>>
<                               -< Short Answer >-
<
<    ESPP & Taxes, the "short form":
<
<    There are 3 scenarios.  For each I'll assume:
<    	X = FMV of shares purchased on date of purchase
<    	Y = Actual cost of shares purchased
<    	Z = Actual sale proceeds (i.e. sales price - commission)
<
<    Stock Held under 12 months:
<        X - Y = "Income", reported to you by Digital on your W-2
<        Z - X = Short Term Capital Gain/Loss, Schedule D
<    		(positive = gain, negative = loss)
<
<    Stock Held more than 12 but less than 18 months
<    	X - Y = Income, as above
<    	Z - X = Long Term Capital Gain/Loss
<
<    Stock Held more than 18 months
<    	Z - Y = Long Term Capital Gain/Loss

    Stock Held more than 18 months
    	Income = Lesser of (15% * FMV of shares at beginning of purchase period) 
    or (Z - Y)
    	Long term gain = Z - (Y + Income)
    
    You claim the income in the year that you sell the stock.
    This is from the DEC IS form SC1031.FRM on the back of the W2 Tax Adder
    statement they send me recently.  Or in your Stock Prospectus.
    
    	Dave.
660.86YikesKOALA::BOUCHARDThe enemy is wiseFri Apr 15 1994 18:598
    re: .85
    
    Jeez, this is more complicated that I thought, and I've been through
    this a bunch of times (though I've never held DEC for more than 18
    months...)
    
    re: .85 is correct and, tragically, makes the computation even more
    complicated.
660.87Not as Short FormKOALA::BOUCHARDThe enemy is wiseFri Apr 15 1994 19:0327
    Terribly embarrassed to note that my 'short form' was incorrect
    for the 18+ month case...
 
    ESPP & Taxes, the "somewhat short form":

    There are 3 scenarios.  For each I'll assume:
        W = FMV of shares at first day of period
		(i.e. six months before actual purchase date)
    	X = FMV of shares purchased on date of purchase
    	Y = Actual cost of shares purchased
    	Z = Actual sale proceeds (i.e. sales price - commission)

    Stock Held under 12 months:
        X - Y = "Income", reported to you by Digital on your W-2
        Z - X = Short Term Capital Gain/Loss, Schedule D
    		(positive = gain, negative = loss)

    Stock Held more than 12 but less than 18 months
    	X - Y = Income, as above
    	Z - X = Long Term Capital Gain/Loss

    Stock Held more than 18 months
	if (W .lt. X)
	    15% x W = Income
	else
	    15% x X = Income
        Z - (Y + Income) = Long Term Capital Gain/Loss 
660.88Margin interest deductable?MILKWY::JSIEGELThu Apr 28 1994 14:2811
    I'm trying to do some tax planning, and have a question on margin 
    borrowing.  I didn't find anything recent on this (last note about 1
    year ago), so I'm rechecking for the latest rules.
    
    Can margin interest still be deducted on schedule A (or anywhere)?  I
    was told the laws recently changed on this, but don't know what the 
    changes were.  I was hoping to pay off some installment debt with a
    loan from my margin account (just set it up) so that I could deduct the
    interest payments.
    
    Any thoughts on this?
660.89Margin (and other "Investment Interest") expense deduction.ALFAXP::S_SOVEREIGNRetroactive Elections!!!Thu Apr 28 1994 15:3934
The general category "Investment Interest Expense" includes margin account
interest.  It *is* deductible, subject to certain limitations.  The limitations
have changed over the last several years, getting "tighter" each year.

Other interest (besides margin account interest) may qualify for this deduction,
as well-but last year's Pub. 17 specifically named margin account interest as an
example of "Investment Interest".

                              The general rule:

Your deduction for investment interest expense is limited to your "investment
income".  Any "left over" expense is carried forward to a future year until you
can use it up.  "Investment Income" includes dividends, interest earned on
savings accounts, capital gains, etc.

                             The modification:

You now have to make a choice...if you take the 28% "limit" on your investment
earnings, you cant use those same earnings to "offset" your interest expense. 
For me, this isn't a problem, as I'm no where near the >28% bracket...your
mileage may vary.

There are lots of nits...but this is the fundamental idea.

If you have any carryforward from previous years, or any carryover to future
years, or any "Investment expense" deductions in the miscellaneous section of
Schedule "A", you have to include form 4952, "Investment Interest Expense
Deduction" with your 1040.  If you have more "income" than "interest", and no
itemized expenses...you just write the correct number in on the schedule A, line
11, just below the Home Mortgage Interest.

Using this deduction *might* affect your 6251 (AMT)...maybe.

SteveSov
660.90SE tax == FICA for MA state ??LJSRV1::RICHhit me you can&#039;t hurt meWed May 11 1994 12:2011
    When calculating your Mass. state income tax, there is a box on Form 1
    where you fill in the amount you paid to Social Security (or FICA?), which
    will ultimately reduce your state tax liability.  Can the Self Employment
    tax that self employed people pay on their federal return be put in that
    box, too?  I think it should be, because the Self Employment tax is like
    the half of your FICA that your employer pays, if you have an employer.

    I couldn't find anything in the instructions that dealt with this.

    thanks for any help,
    -dave
660.91$2000 capKOALA::BOUCHARDThe enemy is wiseWed May 11 1994 12:275
    re: .90
    
    Not an answer to your question, but Mass limits the amount of Social
    Security you can deduct to $2000 or so; if you're over that limit then
    it doesn't matter to you if you can add the self-employment piece.
660.92RANGER::CLARKWed May 11 1994 15:262
My understanding is that the SE tax calculated for Form 1040 can be deducted on
the MA FICA line. 
660.93How much is the tax underpayment penalty?TLE::PERIQUETDennis PeriquetThu Jun 30 1994 11:2717
    
    I understand that if you don't pay enough taxes through the year and at
    the end of the year you owe more than some certain amount, etc. you have
    to pay a penalty.
    
    Every year I check how much I'm getting withheld from my paycheck and
    my financial position so that I get as little a refund (or owe as
    little) as possible at the end of the year.  If I am off by too much, I
    want to be prepared to pay the penalty or if the penalty is too big, I
    want to err more towards the conservative side.
    
    Does anyone know how much the penalty is?
    
    Thanks,
    
    Dennis
    
660.94NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Thu Jun 30 1994 12:0112
I don't know offhand what the penalty is, but I know how to avoid it.

Generally speaking, if your withholding is at least as much as last year's
tax liability, you don't have to pay a penalty.  Tax liability is the total
amount of tax you owed -- the amount you compare to your withholding to
determine who owes whom what.

Around October, I take a look at my last year's tax liability and my YTD
withholding.  If I'm not on course to have had withheld a few dollars more
than last year's tax liability, I submit a new W4.  I like to owe as much
as possible without paying a penalty.  If your goals are different, you
just have to adjust your withholding to meet those goals.
660.95ZENDIA::FERGUSONThe Janitor of CodingThu Jun 30 1994 14:1010
I think the metric is you must have had 90% of your obligated taxes
withdrawn and paid to Feds or face a penalty.

so, if your tax liability was $10,000, as long as you had $9k 
withdraw, you're in the clear.

my goal is 90%, and yes, i do get hit with a big expense april 15th,
but at least i had that $$ working for me vs. Uncle Sam.


660.96CADSYS::RITCHIEGotta love log homesThu Jun 30 1994 14:282
It is no longer 90%, it is now 100%.  I just researched this for some newlyweds
who are afraid of getting zapped with the marriage tax.
660.97LEEL::LINDQUISTThu Jun 30 1994 15:0310
    I owed about $2500 this past April, so I had significantly
    underwithheld.  The penalty was $28.  I laughed at the
    disincentive, and mailed it it.  Writing the 2500 part of
    the check was a lot harder than the 28.

    About two weeks ago, I got a refund for the $28; plus $0.21
    interest.

    In a year or two, I probably get a bill for the $28 plus
    interest...
660.98~1% fee won't hurt muchTLE::PERIQUETDennis PeriquetThu Jun 30 1994 15:4316
    
    re: last few
    
    Thanks for all of the replies.
    
    My tax situation has changed significantly in the past two months --
    just got married (marriage penalty) and job bought a home (interest,
    etc. deductions).  Like Gerald, my goal is to owe as much as possible
    and perhaps incur as small a penalty (none is best) as possible.
    
    Given the information from the last few replies, although I think that
    my calculations on withholding are correct, paying a small fee of ~1%
    will not hurt that much if I am slightly incorrect.
    
    Dennis
    
660.99When did it change?NOTAPC::LEVYFri Jul 01 1994 13:003
    re: .96
    
    Can you please cite your reference for this?
660.100CADSYS::RITCHIEGotta love log homesFri Jul 01 1994 13:226
I'm not exactly sure when it changed from 90% to 100%, it may have been the
latest tax reform.  I'll see if I can find the exact reference.  You can also
peruse the topics in this conference with the title TAX.  It has been discussed
at length, even in this note (660)

Elaine
660.101CADSYS::RITCHIEGotta love log homesFri Jul 01 1994 13:311
See 65.23
660.102I think Estim. Tax due = 90%HELIX::SPIELMANjerry dtn 297-4879Fri Jul 01 1994 14:4043
    
    
    re: about 90 vs 100% need for Estimated tax paid in
    
    If the required percent tax paid in went from 90% to 100%, as per the last 
    few notes, then it happened since the 1993 tax returns were due. 
    
    The Macintax package, offered you a form which allowed you to perform
    the computation with either 90% to be paid up, or 100%. Presumably
    then, 90% was all you needed, but some folks just don't like to owe
    money come April 15 so they offer to do it for you at 100%. I believe
    there wasn't anything else to that. I think its still 90%.
    
    As per another reply, the penalty is very minimal if you underpay.
    
    I stopped making quarterly payments of $100 after the first one (Apr
    15) and the forms I used showed I owed $5.00  (presumably due to
    missing 3 $100 payments). Thats not worth worrying about. You can send
    estimated payments in anytime.  The forms in Macintax allow you to
    indicate the date the payment "hits". So its calculation comes out
    "accurate". (I guess the reason the "Penalty" isn't much, is because you
    only owe the money at quarterly intervals. However, even taking this
    into consideration I was still surprised how little the penalty is. )
    
    BTW: If the person complaining about HR BLOCK:
    
    might have had the option to use MACINTAX (and I imagine the PC version
    must be equivalent).  You get access to tons of forms and free
    calculations for a very small fee. I obtained both the Fed and Mass
    State (FINAL) versions around February on sale for only $56 (plus tax).
    
    You can spend a lot of time with it, but you also learn a lot, and they
    include on-line Tax rules from IRS. The Foreign tax paid form is there,
    and was no problem to use. I'm not sure how complex the hidden
    calculation is. I can tell you that I had a mere $11 withheld and for
    whatever reason the calculation claimed that I should get $9 as a
    credit. I had thought that you get it all back.
    
    Does anyone know the gist of the calculation ?
     
    
    
         
660.10390% still the basic requirementNOTAPC::LEVYFri Jul 01 1994 16:1517
    Re: .101
    
    The extract in 65.23 is misleading, because it's not complete.
    
    The basic requirement is to have paid 90% of your tax liability by
    12/31, by quarters. (Was true for 1993; am 99% sure it's still true for
    1994.)
    
    If you've paid less than 90%, you _may_ owe the penalty, but there are
    a number of exceptions that allow you to avoid the penalty, some of
    which were outlined in 65.23. Another exception is if the amount owed
    is less than $500.
    
    From a practical sense, requiring 100% payment by 12/31 would force
    everyone to overpay, since exact tax liability is often unknowable
    on 12/31, due to mutual fund distributions and the like, sometimes made
    in January but taxed as if they were made in December. 
660.104CADSYS::RITCHIEGotta love log homesFri Jul 01 1994 16:287
Thanks to your detailed explanation, I now am clear that I misunderstood what
was being discussed.  I believe you can avoid the penalty by paying 100% of the
previous year's liability by 12/31.  This is for people who don't have to delve
into quarterly payments, but simply have an increased liability due to getting
married.

Elaine
660.105NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Thu Jul 07 1994 12:1614
According to the 1993 Publication 17:

In general, you may owe a penalty for 1993 if the total of your withholding
and extimated tax payments did no equal at least the _smaller_ of:
 1) 90% of your 1993 tax, or
 2) 100% of your 1992 tax.

There are some exceptions (partial year, farmers, etc.).

While the IRS requires estimated taxes to be paid as your taxable income
accrues, it doesn't have any such rule regarding withholding.  This means
that if you are underwithheld for most of the year and you increase your
withholding towards the end of the year to cover 90% of your last year's
income, you won't have to pay a penalty.
660.106home-loss offset mf-gain?MIMS::HOOD_RTue Jul 26 1994 12:5414
    
    
    I really did not know where to put this note, so I decided to stick 
    it here. We recently sold a condo at a small loss. While I realize
    that I cannot deduct the loss on the condo, can I use the loss to 
    offset mutual fund gains? I have several funds that are doing fairly
    well, and I would sell them and buy back in a month if I could balance
    the gain against the loss in the condo. Can I do this?
    
    
    Thanks,
    
    Doug
    
660.107NOTIME::SACKSGerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085Tue Jul 26 1994 13:281
No.  There's no way you can take advantage of a loss on the sale of a residence.
660.108Keep the records, in any case!SISDA::SISDB::TREMELLINGMaking tomorrow yesterday, today!Fri Jul 29 1994 13:128
>  <<< Note 660.107 by NOTIME::SACKS "Gerald Sacks ZKO2-3/N30 DTN:381-2085" >>>

>No.  There's no way you can take advantage of a loss on the sale of a
residence. 

Generally true, but I wonder if the current loss could be used to reduce
the cumulative basis toward the one-time exclusion after age 55?

660.109State form: can I file "married filing separately"?TLE::PERIQUETDennis PeriquetMon Sep 12 1994 17:4623
    
    I will be leaving Digital and taking a job elsewhere (in
    Massachusetts); wife will continue to work in NH.
    
    If we file jointly on Federal, do we have to file jointly on the state
    form?  I ask because I'm confused since if we file jointly on the state
    form, I'd have to declare her income too and therefore get her income
    taxed as well as mine even though she still works in NH -- where there
    is no state tax.
    
    Do we have the choice of filing jointly or married/separate on Federal
    and then married/separate (i.e., no choice) for the state form -- so
    that only my income is taxed at the state level?  This makes sense to
    me.
    
    I know, I should know this, but although I have filed a state form
    before (when I lived in Colorado), I have never filed a state form while
    married.
    
    Thanks in advance,
    
    Dennis
    
660.110NETRIX::michaudJeff Michaud, PATHWORKS for Win. NTMon Sep 12 1994 17:562
	If of course makes a big different which State you are a
	resident of ...........
660.111Sorry for the oversight in needed informationTLE::PERIQUETDennis PeriquetTue Sep 13 1994 11:094
    
    I am a resident of NH and will be working in MA.
    My wife is a resident of NH and works in NH.
    
660.112NETRIX::michaudJeff Michaud, PATHWORKS for Win. NTTue Sep 13 1994 12:368
> I am a resident of NH and will be working in MA.
> My wife is a resident of NH and works in NH.

	In this case MA can *not* tax your wife's earnings.  If you
	file jointly on your federal return however MA may require
	you to prorate their standard deduction & exemption (at least
	they do this if you are single and have non-MA sources of
	income).
660.113REDZIN::COXTue Sep 13 1994 16:028
Or you can file joint for FED and seperate for Mass.  You have to do some 
caculations to arrive at the right figure for the right line, but  if I can 
figure it out, ANYONE can.  Only time I have EVER had errors with tax forms is 
in processing the Mass non-resident form. 

Luck

Dave
660.114TLE::PERIQUETDennis PeriquetTue Sep 13 1994 17:097
    
    re: .-2
    
    ok.  Thanks for the info.
    
    Dennis
    
660.115Teenage Part Time Worker.SWAM2::WANTJE_RATue Nov 01 1994 15:1220
    If this is the wrong place, please give me a sign.
    
    I have a 16 (soon to be 17) year old daughter.  She just got a part
    time job in a fast food place and is attending college.  I plan to
    claim her as a dependent on my 1040.  She did not make any money or
    file taxes for last year.
    
    Two questions:
    
    What does she declare on her W-4?  My first guess is exempt.
    
    Do I have to declare her wages on my taxes?  I believe there is either
    an age or amount limit which, if not exceeded, does not have to be
    reported.
    
    Any help appreicated.  My first time dealing with teenage part time
    worker who has NO idea about taxes and thinks they should get *all* the
    money they make.  (I tend to agree, but...)
    
    rww
660.116Take her deduction38024::VERMAVirendra, HLO2-1/A7, DTN 225-6518Tue Nov 01 1994 15:565
My advice is that you show her as dependent on you. Don't claim her
wages as your income because it is not your income. She should file a 
separate income tax form 1040A. Her number of dependents will be zero, but 
she gets a standard $500 deduction. Even if she earns more than $500, she is 
taxed at 15% rather than a rate of your tax bracket.
660.117LEAPS and reportingFX28PM::FX26PM::SMITHPPhil Smith 343-5014Wed Jan 04 1995 11:1215
It appears I am the first to ask a 1994 tax question in 1995!

I purchased a couple of LEAPS (long term options) in 9/93 that had an 
expiration of 1/95. I sold them at the market during 12/94.  However in 
the summer of 94 the LEAP symbol was converted to an OPTION symbol when it 
got to within six months of expiration (which is normal). 

Q: So what do I have here two short term gains/losses or one
   long term gain/loss?

After RTFMing last years IRS pub 17 the answer did not jump right out and
hit me.

	Thanks
	Phil 
660.118long-termPSDVAX::HABERJeff Haber..SHG IM&amp;T Consultant..223-5535Wed Jan 04 1995 12:368
    I'm certainly no expert, but I have played with LEAPS a bit...  As far
    as I know the determination of short-term vs. long-term is how long you
    hold the asset, not the nature of the asset.  Therefore, your
    transaction should be long-term.
    
    Hope you made a profit...
    
    	/jeff
660.119Deduct 1/2 Med. Insr.Payments ?HELIX::SPIELMANjerry dtn 297-4879Fri Apr 14 1995 13:0321
    Can someone please clarify this as a legal deduction for us:
    
    Today's globe had its TAX TIP column say something like:
    
       Clinton just signed into law a deduction which allows *YOU*
       to take 1/2 of your medical insurance payments (in 1994) as a line
       item.   (I'm not sure if *YOU* applies to everyone)
    
       It doesn't go under the usual medical bills which must exceed some
       percent of your income. Rather, you just get to take it, as you used
       to about 10 years ago.
    
       What wasn't clear to me was the phrasing used to say which class of
       taxpayer can do this. I'm not sure it applied to everyone - perhaps
       only the self-employed. I don't have access to the wording used.
    
       SO can someone please report on this as it could be a big deduction
       that was previously not possible.
    
    Thanks,
    Jerry
660.120RANGER::JUMPY::CLARKFri Apr 14 1995 13:278
This is only for the self-employed (who aren't covered by spouse's plan, etc.); 
it's a reinstatement of a deduction previously available to the self-employed, but 
which had lapsed at the end of 1993. If you absolutely want the deduction, you'll 
have to resign from Digital and go into business for yourself :^)

Of course, then you'd give up the benefit of the 100% (rather than 25%) 
deductibility of the DEC health and dental insurance payments made with pre-tax 
dollars.
660.121how to report short saleBOBSBX::QUINLANMark Quinlan, Alpha Personal SystemsMon Apr 17 1995 11:006
	Would someone please post an example of how to report a short sale
        of a stock on schedule D.

        Thanks,

        Mark
660.122This is what I doEVMS::HALLYBFish have no concept of fireMon Apr 17 1995 12:2412
    No guarantees if they bang down your door some night.
    
    	Stock		Bought			Sold
    
    1	100 IBM		12/06/94  $  7875	02/02/94  $  8250
    2	400 MSFT	open short		03/15/94  $ 32768
    
    Case 1 the short is closed out the same year. Looks just like a long.
    Case 2 the trade is still open. Just make sure the total of the "Sold" 
    column matches the form from your broker.
    
      John