Conference noted::sf

    All I've seen is the poster of coming attractions. Below a dim shot of
    The Alien, it says something like: "This time it's hiding in the last
    place you'd expect."
    
    Makes you wonder ... perhaps it's inside George McGovern.
    
    kbs
    

re: .1

>    All I've seen is the poster of coming attractions. Below a dim shot of
>    The Alien, it says something like: "This time it's hiding in the last
>    place you'd expect."
>    
>    Makes you wonder ... perhaps it's inside George McGovern.
    
interesting theory
...since if it was hiding in the FIRST place you'd expect, it would be

                                       inside Richard Nixon!

								- paul

re: .1

>    All I've seen is the poster of coming attractions. Below a dim shot of
>    The Alien, it says something like: "This time it's hiding in the last
>    place you'd expect."
>    
>    Makes you wonder ... perhaps it's inside George McGovern.
    
I'd watch out for the cat!

PR

    When I saw Star Trek VI:  The Undiscovered Country, they showed a
    preview of Aliens 3.  It looked pretty interesting, with one shot of
    the alien opening its mouth very, very close to Ripley, and the voice 
    saying:  "THE BITCH IS BACK."  It looked pretty intense.  
    
    However, I had a couple questions, and maybe someone out there can answer 
    them.  First, why was Ripley's head shaved?  And the place she was at had 
    no weapons at all.  Putting 2 and 2 together, is this place a penal 
    colony?  And if it is, how did Ripley end up there?  I couldn't tell 
    whether the movie takes place on earth or not.  
    
    Someone out there must have their hands on the one of many versions of
    the script for this thing!
    
    

    re: .3
    
    The cat did not accompany Ripley and the marines in the second movie. 
    
    Who could have been "infected" at the end of the second movie?  
    
    Newt was rescued by Ripley, but could have been infected before the
    rescue, and the scene where the egg was beginning to hatch in front of
    her was just there to throw us off), but this is not likely.  
    
    Bishop could have infected the injured marine, but the two live alien 
    critters in the bio lab were killed by the marines when Burke tried to 
    have Ripley and Newt infected.  
    
    That leaves the injured marine.  Where exactly was Bishop while Ripley 
    went to rescue Newt?  Did he do anything to the injured marine?  He
    could have been following company instructions, being the good
    artificial person he is, and brought back an alien, hosted by the
    injured marine.  Since the marine was already knocked out, being
    cocooned and unconscious would have been unnoticeable.  And since
    everyone would have reported that all aliens were destroyed, no one
    would have thought of quarrantining them when they returned.    
    
    Of course, there is the other possibility that an alternate source of
    the aliens exists, and no one from the second movie was infected.
    
    Just speculating ...
      

    re:.4
    
    Yes, as I understand it, the place where Ripley is at is an
    abandoned penal colony. Her head is shaved because of a lice problem.
    
    How did Ripley get there?  Something happens to the Sulaco on the
    way back from LV-426 and the passengers are ejected in lifepods,
    which land on the planet.
    
    re:.5
    
    The problem with claims that so-and-so is infected is that they never
    take into account the time. Keep in mind how long Kane stayed in a
    coma, both with the face-hugger and without. And how quickly after
    regaining consciousness the chest-burster appeared. If Jones had
    been infected, he showed no signs of having been unconscious (Ripley
    wasn't away from him for more than 15 or so minutes), and seemed
    hale and healthy for quite a while after Ripley reached Gateway.
    I think it's safe to say it's not in the cat.
    
    Newt. Again, there wasn't enough time for her to be face-hugged,
    unconscious, revived. And plenty of time for the thing to burst
    out of her chest if she *had* been impregnated.
    
    Hicks. Sure, Bishop could've gone to the derelict and gotten another
    egg to infect Hicks with. The available time was there, and Hicks
    *was* unconscious by the time Bishop picked up Ripley and Newt. But
    there's still the logical problem of why he'd go back to *get* them.
    If his mission *was* to secure an Alien embryo, that could be
    endangered by going back to get Ripley because (a) he's taking a
    chance that he could get away from the explosion in time, and (b)
    Ripley could discover what he's up to. The only possible reason that
    he could have for rescuing them is because of his stated programming,
    i.e. that he "cannot harm, or through inaction allow to be harmed, a
    human being". But if that's the case, he would've violated that
    programming by infecting Hicks with an Alien embryo.
    
    I also feel that Bishop ending up a "bad guy" is completely wrong
    from a dramatic viewpoint as well, but that's another argument
    altogether.
    
    --- jerry

    re: .6
    
    Very good points, and pretty much along the lines of what I said.
    
    And, as I stated, there could be an alternate way that the aliens got
    to the penal colony which we don't know about.  
    
    Interesting, though that Sulaco had problems and the passengers were
    ejected in lifepods to the penal colony.  I did not see Newt, Hicks
    or Bishop in the preview.  Anyway, this seems to indicate that the
    alien  somehow got to the penal colony via Sulaco.  Or maybe when the
    queen alien was ejected from Sulaco by Ripley, she somehow hung around?
    

One un-remembered question -

Was Bishop a Company Android?

Or a Marine Android?

I was under the impression that Bishop was a Marine, not a company goon.

grins,

clark

    re:.7
    
    There is a good reason why you didn't see Newt or Hicks in the
    preview. Why you didn't see Bishop, I don't know.
    
    No, I'm not going to tell...
    
    --- jerry

    When is Aliens 3 scheduled to open?
    
    					andrew

    re:  .8
    
    It's never clear whether Bishop is a marine or a company employee.  He
    took orders from both the marines and Burke, and was pretty adamant
    about saving the face huggers as per Burke's orders.
    
    

    re:  .10
    
    Memorial Day weekend, 1992.

    re:.12 re:.10
    
    Specifically, 22 May 1992.
    
    --- jerry

    I've modified the title of the base note to reflect the proper title
    of the film (orthography notwithstanding).
    
    --- jerry

    I think this note can be deleted now.  There seems to be a lively
    discussion of this movie in the EOT::MOVIES notes conference, #3994,
    and it has been rather quiet in this notes conference.
    
    JKP

    I agree...the reviews say, to sum them up, that this movie stinks.
    
    K.C. (who hasn't seen it, and doesn't WANT to see it)

re .15

There's no reason to delete this note.  ALIEN 3 is an SF movie, and its
discussion is appropriate here.  Contrary to the prior notice (which has
been removed), this note is writeable, and will remain open.

You may add the MOVIES conference to your notebook by going to reply
.15 in this topic and hitting KP7 or the SELECT key.

Dave C.
moderator

This is a dark grim movie. It kind of puts a damper on the evening if you're on
a date. Brings the mood down. I certainly jumped a few times and the special 
effects involving Bishop were astounding, if a bit sickening. liesl