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Title:Arcana Caelestia
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945.0. "Keith Laumer" by MOMCAT::TARBET (for yer ain sweet sake) Fri Jan 11 1991 06:25

    Keith Laumer has a couple of new books out.  Has anyone checked them
    out?  I was so completely turned off by his most recent Retief fraud
    that I vowed never to read anything by him again unless someone else
    had already vetted it.
    
    						=maggie
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945.1Judson's EdenSUBWAY::MAXSONRepeal GravityFri Jan 18 1991 01:576
    Just began to read "Judson's Eden" (C) 1991 by Keith Laumer,
    ISBN 0-671-72038-4 (Baen Books), and I'm only about thirty pages
    in. It has me hooked - I'll read it and review in a couple of days.
    
    							Max
    
945.2The latest from BaghdadSUBWAY::MAXSONRepeal GravityMon Jan 21 1991 02:236
    'Bout a hundred and fifty pages in so far and it's tripe.
    
    Sorry.  I may not review it, since I can't seem to finish it.
    
    Max
    
945.3MOMCAT::TARBETall on the river clearThu Jan 24 1991 20:412
    thanx, Max, that's what i suspected...the guy is evidently doing
    nothing more than trading on his rep these days.
945.4"How the mighty are fallen"CSC32::T_HUTCHINWed Feb 13 1991 14:5620
    
    	Hi Maggie,
    
    	I'm glad someone else confirms my opinion of Laumer's latest.  I
    	loved his books so much when I was young (and still re-read them)
    	that I figured I could support him in his old age.
    
    	But these new ones are so AWFUL.  The one I read last year was
    	just one of his short stories expanded to novel length.  The new
    	additions were so bad that even an idiot could have re-constructed
    	the original short store by extracting the good parts and leaving
    	the bad.
    
    	As much as much as I loved him in my youth I can't justify $3.95
    	anymore for these pathetic attemps at writing.  I do hope that he's
    	still getting royalties for his original works that are STILL (and
    	justifiably so) being published.
    
    	Terry (who probably had 40 Laumer books in his library)
    
945.5NOTIBM::MCGHIEThank Heaven for small Murphys !Fri Feb 15 1991 06:217
    $3.95, I just wish...
    
    Books down our end of the world typically start around $9.95 these
    days.
    
    Mike
    	(Australia)
945.6REGENT::POWERSFri Feb 15 1991 09:2811
>     <<< Note 945.5 by NOTIBM::MCGHIE "Thank Heaven for small Murphys !" >>>
>
>    $3.95, I just wish...
>    
>    Books down our end of the world typically start around $9.95 these
>    days.
>    
>    Mike
>    	(Australia)

...but how many yen does it take to buy an Aussie dollar lately?
945.7101.9 yen = $1NOTIBM::MCGHIEThank Heaven for small Murphys !Sat Feb 16 1991 05:397
    According to this mornings paper :-
    
    101.9 yen = $1 aus.
    
    Though, if you think that's bad the NZ dollar is even worse.
    
    Mike
945.8some perspectiveICS::SHERMANWed Sep 25 1991 14:3834
    
    I wouldn't be too hard on Laumer. Most SF books written recently are
    just crap. And NO, this is not one of those "good old days" whines. The
    books that seemed great in the 50s and 60s are clearly STILL great when
    read today. Fair is fair. SF these days is an anemic, pathetic thing.
    Each month I hope that Harlan Ellison will have come out of his
    terrible slump and written something great again. Or just written
    ANYTHING again. But each month the bookstores feature the same worn
    books plus several new sword-and-sorcery pieces of *hit that no one
    with an IQ over 70 could stand.
    
    Ah, well ...
    
    Yes, Laumer wrote a lot of fun stuff in the 60s. His "A Plague of
    Pythons" was one. I started reading it one Friday PM after I got back
    to my dorm room in college. At 3 the next morning I finished it, having
    skipped supper, the bathroom, even moving off the bed in the
    interim.
    
    And every month I get the flier from the Sci Fi Book Club, with its two
    new offerings that are, for the most part, eye-bulgingly badly written
    "The Journal of Umptisquzt Land": 380 pages of badly written tripe
    about some kid in an alternate universe of (yes) dragons and sorcerers,
    who must single-handedly save not only his incompetent parents and
    bimbo girlfriend, not to mention his planet, but
    several other universes, using only his magic sword, the advise of an
    enchanted talking dumpster, his pet talking, flying artichoke, and his 
    17-year-old courage, etc. etc. ...
    
    Now I am depressed ...
    
    
    ken
                                                                 
945.9Sturgeon's Law: 90% of *everything* is crapVMSMKT::KENAHThe man with a child in his eyes...Wed Sep 25 1991 17:0723
    >I wouldn't be too hard on Laumer. Most SF books written recently are
    >just crap. And NO, this is not one of those "good old days" whines. The
    >books that seemed great in the 50s and 60s are clearly STILL great when
    >read today. Fair is fair. SF these days is an anemic, pathetic thing.
    
    The ones that are still around are still considered good.  So, when you
    compare the cream of the 50s and 60s to the whole spectrum of current
    books, naturally the cream will look superior.
    
    If, however, you compare the top 10% from the 50s and 60s to the top
    10% of today's work, you'll most likely find similar numbers of good
    books.   Conversely, if you could go back to the 50s and 60s and look
    at everything that was written then, you'd notice that then, as now,
    there was an awful lot of dreck being sold.
    
    It's like the lament you hear about antiques: "Boy, they sure don't
    build 'em like this any more."  Yes they do, they're just expensive.
    All the crappy stuff that was built in the "good old days" is long
    gone, so that only the very best remains to become an antique.
    
    Sturgeon's Law applies today, and it applied in the 50s and 60s, too.
    
    					andrew
945.10more whiningTECRUS::REDFORDEntropy isn&#039;t what it used to beThu Sep 26 1991 09:0322
    I wouldn't go back as far as the 50s.  I think there's been a
    decline even in the last ten years.  I blame conglomerate buyouts of
    publishing houses.  Far more books these days seem to be parts of
    series or share-cropping.   Far more seem to fall into simple categories:
    space war, medieval fantasy, mercenaries.  Horror, a one-emotion
    genre, has become a significant category.   Movie tie-ins flood
    the racks every summer.  
    
    I also blame the readers.  Hey, I was tired of that stuff when I
    was 16.  Why are sixteen-year-olds gobbling it up now?  Because
    their taste has been corrupted by Star Trek and Star Wars? Because 
    they never got to read the masters of the field in their prime? 
    If the only Clarke books I'd ever seen were the Venus Prime series, 
    I would never have read anything else by him.  
    
    I also blame SF's success.  It now accounts for 20-25% of
    paperback titles.  I think there are the same number of good
    authors around these days, it's just that they're overwhelmed by
    shlock.    The signal-to-noise ratio is dropping.  When the noise
    gets too loud, the music is lost.
    
    /jlr
945.11ReviewsVERGA::KLAESQuo vadimus?Mon Sep 27 1993 11:32139
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From: [email protected] (Dani Zweig)
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Subject: REPOST: Belated Reviews #30: Keith Laumer
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Date: 23 Sep 93 01:58:59 GMT
 
		Belated Reviews #30:  Keith Laumer
 
Keith Laumer's writing career spanned three decades, but almost all his
better work appeared in the sixties, the first of those decades.  He's
a second-tier writer:  None of his works are outstanding, but some of it
comes close, and a good deal of it is solid, enjoyable story-telling.
 
"Dinosaur Beach" (****-) is his best book, IMO, a short but elegant time
travel novel.  The 'back-history' of the novel is a history of successive
eras of time travel.  The first era took no precautions and made a mess of
history.  The second era took extensive precautions, and made a worse
mess.  The third era attempted to undo the damage, and just made it worse
yet.  I think you see the pattern.  The hero of this story is Ravel, who
is a *fourth* era agent, which means that he and his are working to repair
the damage done by all the earlier eras -- as well as fighting agents of
all the earlier eras, who think they know better.  It's a nicely crafted and 
entertaining yarn of time loops within time loops and secrets within secrets. 
 
There are about a dozen 'Retief' books, most of them collections of
humorous short stories about Jame Retief (not his full name), of the CDT
(Corps Diplomatique Terrestrienne).  It's really a one-joke series, but
it's a joke that Laumer tells well, and that stands retelling:  The CDT is
a *very* broad satire on the American State Department at its worst,
always seeking to give aid and comfort to its enemies, always ignorant of
local realities, always exacerbating problems through appeasement just
when a show of firmness would make them go away.  And Retief is forever
saving the day by ignoring policy and doing the sensible, or even heroic,
thing.  (This does not make him popular within the Corps.)  Stated this
baldly it doesn't sound like a basis for that many stories, but the
storytelling is deft, the situations and the aliens are amusing, the
sledgehammer satire can be ignored. 
 
"Retief's War" (***+), a complete Retief novel, is my personal favorite
(largely because I prefer novels), though other readers may reasonably have
individual stories as their favorites.  "Retief's War" takes place on the
planet Quopp, which is so rich in metals that the life forms which have
evolved -- hundreds of different intelligent species -- are more machine
than animal.  (The nearest thing they have to a hospital closely resembles
an auto repair shop, complete with a range of spare parts.)  Unfortunately, 
the latest Terran brainstorm involves putting a single species -- a
particularly unpopular one -- in power, and that species is already in
cahoots with the Terrans' arch enemies, the Groaci.  It is up to Retief to
don the exoskeleton of leadership, and organize a rebellion before it's
too late.  Amusing, entertaining, light-weight reading. 
 
"Bolo" (***+) collects stories from another series of stories.  The Bolos
are super-tanks, intelligent and self-motivated.  In some of the stories
("The Night of the Trolls", "Courier") the Bolos are just big tanks for
the protagonists to overcome, but many of the best stories take their 
power from the contradiction between Bolos as intelligent entities and
Bolos as supremely dangerous weapons of war.  This is *not* military sf,
as the subgenre has come to evolve.  (I won't swear that's true of the new
sharecropped Bolo stories, but they're not Laumer's.)
 
"Worlds of the Imperium" (***) is the first novel in yet a third series,
this a series of crosstime adventures.  The Imperium is an Earth on which
crosstime travel was safely perfected.  That world is also referred to as
BI-1 -- Blight Insular 1 -- the Blight being all that's left of the numerous
alternates that *didn't* perfect the invention safely enough.  When the
Imperium finds itself under attack from BI-2 (a world almost destroyed by
a prolonged WWII), it conceives of a plan to replace the dictator of BI-2,
one Brion Bayard, with a duplicate.  They find such a duplicate on our
world, BI-3.  From there it's entertaining but unexceptional adventure
fiction, with Bayard fighting foes and fighting spies and ultimately
Getting The Girl.  
 
There are a number of sequels which make better use of the possibilities
of the crosstime premise, but do a poorer job of story-telling.  "The
Other Side of Time" (**+) pits the Imperium against a distant crosstime-
capable civilization that diverged *way* back, and which considers Homo
Sapiens an embarrassment to the genus.  "Assignment in Nowhere" (**+) is
another decent yarn, about a conflict between a descendent of the
Plantagenets and a descendent of an enemy of that house, which threatens
to destroy the lines that survived the Blight.  (And "Zone Yellow" () is
Laumer's worst book.)
 
There are a good number of Laumer novels which are just good, readable
adventure fiction.  "Planet Run" (***), coauthored with Gordon R. Dickson,
is actually a Western in disguise.  Captain Henry is the old hand,
blackmailed out of retirement for one more run.  Larry Bartholomew, the
son of the blackmailer, is the wet-behind-the-ears sidekick.  It works:
Laumer's stories and Dickson's have a lot in common.  "Earthblood" (***),
coauthored with Rosel George Brown, follows the adventures of a young
Terran in a future galaxy in which Terrans are few, and not very popular.
The youngster eventually rises to command a pirate ship (Terrans are very
plucky and always triumph through talent or determination, it seems) and
uses it to seek out Terra itself.
 
There are other Laumer books I've found enjoyable, but most of them are
merely adequate -- and there are adequate books being written all the time.
My advice, if you haven't read Laumer's books and are curious, is to try
some of his better ones, and then decide whether you wish to read on.
 
%A  Laumer, Keith
%T  Dinosaur Beach
%T  Retief's War
%T  Bolo
%T  Worlds of the Imperium
 
Standard introduction and disclaimer for Belated Reviews follows.

Belated Reviews cover science fiction and fantasy of earlier decades.
They're for newer readers who have wondered about the older titles on the
shelves, or who are interested in what sf/f was like in its younger days.
The emphasis is on helping interested readers identify books to try first, 
not on discussing the books in depth.
 
A general caveat is in order:  Most of the classics of yesteryear have not
aged well.  If you didn't encounter them back when, or in your early teens,
they will probably not give you the unforced pleasure they gave their
original audiences.  You may find yourself having to make allowances for
writing you consider shallow or politics you consider regressive.  When I
name specific titles, I'll often rate them using the following scale:
 
**** Recommended.
***  An old favorite that hasn't aged well, and wouldn't get a good
	reception if it were written today.  Enjoyable on its own terms.
**   A solid book, worth reading if you like the author's works.
*    Nothing special.
 
Additional disclaimers:  Authors are not chosen for review in any particular
order.  The reviews don't attempt to be comprehensive.  No distinction is 
made between books which are still in print and books which are not.
 
-----
Dani Zweig
[email protected]
 
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