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Title: Bicycling
Notice:Bicycling for Fun
Moderator:JAMIN::WASSER
Created:Mon Apr 14 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:3214
Total number of notes:31946

2241.0. "Check Those Tubes" by COMET::VOITL () Mon Apr 13 1992 18:38

    Hey Everybody,
    Boy did I have a LOUSY weekend.  On saturday morning I was supposed to
    race in a crit.  While I was warming up (on my Trek 2100) the front
    derailluer began acting funny, chain was rubbing it and it wouldn't
    shift properly.  Well with the bike shop just around the corner, I
    decided to stop by and have the mekanic check it out.  He put the bike
    in the stand a commenced to adjusting the derailluer.  Well everytime
    after he turned screws then turned the crank the derailluer would ^&&^*
    up again.  After several moments of deep thought, he grabbed the seat
    tube and OHOH the *&^%^&* glue or wahtever the stuff is that they use
    to bond these frames had become unstuck, from the bottom bracket lug
    AND the seat lug.  Yes, one can take the chain off the bike and turn
    the seat tube 360 degrees.  After a few, very loud expletive comments
    Trek was called in Waterloo Wi. and a new frame is on the way.
    
    Moral of the story: Everyone with a Trek 2100 or 2300 check those
    tubes occansionally.      
                          Keep Pedallin'
                               Bob
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2241.1That right Norm?NOVA::FISHERRdb/VMS DinosaurTue Apr 14 1992 06:536
    You're not the first digit to have such a problem.  I think Norm's
    was the chainstays not staying put.
    
    WOuld never happen to my Treks though... :-)
    
    ed
2241.2TO GLUE OR WELD, THAT IS THE QUESTION?WMOIS::GIROUARD_CTue Apr 14 1992 07:034
     Yup, but it was Norm's Specialized Allez... He still has it, but
    Specialized did replace it with the current year's frame.
    
     Chip
2241.3Make that three of us...ODIXIE::RRODRIGUEZI think I know a short-cutTue Apr 14 1992 10:0112
    
    
    	It was probably a 1990 model or before, wasn't it?  I had a 2300
    frame (Black & blue tubes, polished aluminum stays & fork).  The
    bottom bracket became unbonded at the seat tube and would make a
    "popping" sound when I jumped out of the saddle.  Trek told me it
    was a batch of bad glue that some frames got.  They replaced it with 
    the 1991 (Black and Green/Day-Glow) frame.  I have not had trouble 
    with it since.  I do, however, check it periodically.
    
     2
    r
2241.4ReplacedCOMET::VOITLTue Apr 14 1992 17:267
    RE:-1 Nope it was a 1991 2100
    Re:-2 Hey, I am getting a new 92 BRIGHT red frame w/ the carbon.
          
    The real drag is that I have already missed 2 crits and I am going to
    miss a TTT.  Boy are the guys I TT with pissed.  NO alternate!
                                               Keep Pedallin'
                                                    Bob
2241.5Yep!WMOIS::FLYE_NTue Apr 14 1992 20:4015
    
    Correct Ed.  The rear stay simply slid off the bottom bracket lug.
    I still have the old frame as well as the new frame Specialized sent
    me.
      I am starting to have a problem with the new frame now though.  Where
    the top tube enters the top head lug a white color is starting to
    appear.  The coating over the carbon fiber is becoming rough and white.
    I suspect water has somehow seeped under the coating.  The damage 
    occupies a square inch area on the left side of the tube.  Since a 
    Specialized rep. is supposed to contact me about setting me up as a
    dealer I will talk to him about the frame.  
    
    							Norm
    
      
2241.6What letter?COMET::VOITLWed Apr 15 1992 00:497
    Hey Everbody,
    I just finished typing Trek a nasty letter about my problem.  I do not
    know if it will do any good, but it sure felt good to let off steam.
    Afterall, I did miss out on 2 crits last weekend and I am going to miss
    out on a TTT (so will the rest of the team) on Easter Sunday.  Oh well.
                                              Keep Pedallin'
                                                   Bob
2241.7If that's the solution, why do I have a stable?NOVA::FISHERRdb/VMS DinosaurWed Apr 15 1992 07:423
    There is a solution: 2 bikes, yes t-w-o TWO.
    
    ed
2241.8a second for having twoSHALOT::ELLISJohn Lee Ellis - assembly requiredWed Apr 15 1992 08:3510
    
    I hate to seem harsh, but Ed's got a point.  You missed 2 crits?
    Well, then they must be important to you.  Suppose something *else*
    had happened to your bike ... an accident, in the shop for a week
    waiting for parts or repair, etc.  Then you couldn't blame the mfr.
    or anyone else.  If the event's important, get a second bike.
    
    I did.
    
    -john
2241.9What next? Carbon fiber causes cancer in laboratory rats???MSDSWS::HAYWOODWed Apr 15 1992 13:2125
    
    What a bad week in notes...
    
    First, the DAY I got my arc cleats this conference suddenly shifted
    toward ARC-bashing, with many riders going back to the black cleats.
    
    Then the note about drivetrain drag on 105 equipment turns into a
    Specialized-Allez bashing note, now I hear my bike is about to
    self-distruct!!!
    
    re:
    I am starting to have a problem with the new frame now though. 
    Where the top tube enters the top head lug a white color is starting to
    appear.  The coating over the carbon fiber is becoming rough and white.
    I suspect water has somehow seeped under the coating.  The damage
    occupies a square inch area on the left side of the tube. 
    
    I have noticed the same thing happening to my '91 epic where the top
    tube joins the "lug-under-the-saddle".  Please let us know what
    Specialized says, I will check with my shop also...
    
    Anybody else seen this problem?
    
    Terry
    
2241.10OK, I checked - I'll check again someday :-)SUSHI::KMACDONALDhaba�eros 'R' usWed Apr 15 1992 18:0613
Check them tubes:

OK, I did.

My Nishiki (DB steel frame, '72) : OK
My Wes Mason (DB steel frame, '73) : OK
My Albert Eisentraut (DB steel frame, '76?) : OK
My (pre)Alpine (DB steel frame, '78?) : OK

Sorry, didn't have none o' them fancy glued-together bikes to check if they'd 
fell apart, but mebbe I'll check all my DB steel frames again in another
15 or 20 years and letcha know how they's holdin' up :-)
                                                          ken
2241.11Yeah I KnoooooowCOMET::VOITLWed Apr 15 1992 18:4413
    Hey Everbody,
    Re 7 and 8:  Yeah, I know I NEED a second set of pedals.  Last year I
    spent $1000 to buy the road bike, a $1000 on a MTB, plus an additional
    $800 on the MTB.  All in a matter of 6 months.  So as one can see I am
    financially STRAPPED at this time for bikes/toys.  I have been looking
    though, yes I am a gluten(sp) for punishment, another carbon or
    graphite frame Trek(WHAT), Basso, or even the Look frame that I dream
    about so often.  I also want to add a few more dollars to the Trek that
    I have or will have, rims and pedals and tires and on and on.  I dont
    know a Serotta(sp) Colorado has even caught mine eyes and thoughts.  Oh
    well, one of these days.   
                            Keep Pedallin'
                                 Bob_who_LOVES_technology.
2241.12VOGON::REEVEYour walrus hurt the one you love.Thu Apr 16 1992 06:4510
>    financially STRAPPED at this time for bikes/toys.  I have been looking
>    though, yes I am a gluten(sp) for punishment, another carbon or
>                            Keep Pedallin'
>                                 Bob_who_LOVES_technology.
>

Well Bob, if you're a gluten for punishment, I just hope you have enough
dough.

Tim
2241.13call me old-fashioned...WILBRY::HORNSteve Horn, Database SystemsThu Apr 16 1992 11:387
    
    
    
    Gee, I'll stick with my old fashioned frames...a decade old R.E.W. Reynolds
    (531) and my New-Old-Stock Bianchi (Columbus SL)....
    
    8^)
2241.14:-)SSDEVO::EDMONDSDianeThu Apr 16 1992 12:317
>Well Bob, if you're a gluten for punishment, I just hope you have enough
>dough.

>Tim

   Ha ha!  I got it!

2241.15Got any friends?39675::MJOHNSONMatt JohnsonFri Apr 17 1992 10:321
    Bob, can't you BORROW somebody's bike?
2241.16Gnaw!COMET::VOITLFri Apr 17 1992 17:327
    Hey Everbody,
    Re-1: I have thought about that, but I dont want to chance crashing and
    tearing up somebody else's bike.  Most of the people I know are bigger
    than me so the frame would be to big anyway.  Thanks for the
    suggestion.
               Keep Pedallin'
                    Bob
2241.17I got a new oneCOMET::VOITLThu Apr 23 1992 17:4914
    Hey Everybody,
    Well did I sure get a surprize today.  While sitting at home, eating
    lunch, and working on my homework the phone rang.  I answered it and to
    my surprize the VP of Trek Bicycle Corp. was on the other end.  He
    apologized for the problem and asked me if a Trek 2300 (complete) would
    be an acceptable solution for the inconvience (I had a 2100).  Well I
    accepted the apology and ACCEPTED the bike.   The letter I sent was
    just a piece of my mind, I didn't ask for any compensation, but "one can
    not look a gift horse in the mouth".  I guess Trek is still #1.  I sure
    hope that I do not have any more problems.  I am thinking about taking
    out the Discover card and getting another Trek (5200).  Trek did take
    the 105 groupo back though, DARN.
                                    Keep Pedallin'
                                         Bob   
2241.18Changes/upgrades to TREK2100?DEDMAN::EDWARDSWed Apr 29 1992 14:0315
Hi,

As an TREK supporter, I was glad to see that they responded to your letter with
an acceptable solution.

Rather than start a new note I thought I ask the following in here:

What component changes/upgrades have different people made to their TREK 2100s?
What was the rationale for doing so (ie. weight, durability, performance, etc.) 
The only changes I have made so far are that I switched to Conti Super Sport
tires after about 3000 miles, and went with a Turbo saddle.

Thanks!
Ray