Conference noted::bicycle

    Do we have a count so far? I asked Bonnie when I put my name in, but
    haven't heard from her about that. If we're low, I'll try to drum up
    sales locally.
    
    John

      So now that we have the Jerseys we can have a race team - right?
    If Dec is going to allow the Jerseys to be made do you think they would
    allow us to race with the Dec Jersey on? I mean if they are going to
    allow the Jersey to be made and seen by all why not race with it? For-
    get about the sponsorship money, it usually works for us mortals
    that we have to pay to race anyway, there is no free ticket in this
    sport unless you are gifted.
    I would be proud to race for Dec. Maybe we could have a special Dec
    team. I could do some races with our special Dec team when I am on training
    in Mass. Maybe we could meet at special events like Superweek, Tour of
    the Adirondacks, etc.
    
                                                        Go nuts
                                                   :-) Wayne V :-)
    

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    >  So now that we have the Jerseys we can have a race team - right?
    > If Dec is going to allow the Jerseys to be made do you think they would
    > allow us to race with the Dec Jersey on? I mean if they are going to
    > allow the Jersey to be made and seen by all why not race with it? For-
    
    	I'm not quite sure, but I don't recall that Tom D. had to get
    permission to create the jersey. He merely copied the company logo
    as closely as possible. Of course, they are being seen in public, so
    they are under "scrutiny", as it were.
    
    	 I would venture to say that anyone who feels like wearing a
    Digital jersey in a race, should do so. The only problem would be
    public relations. As in, no genital scratching while in front of the
    camera, etc.
    
    (I know, I'm crude)

     I believe Tom did check with Corp. Legal (Tom, you out there). You
    simply cannot replicate a tm'd logo for use without permission of the
    holder.
    
     They are still in the works... My previous empty NOTE was due to my
    being kicked out yesterday. Anyway, I have worn mine for the past two
    years at the Mount Washington Race and training. I haven't been sued 
    yet... Actually, there are no rules/laws governing the wearing - being
    DEC employees (and pre-permission having been given) don't sweat it.
    
     I seriously doubt if your non-DEC spouse or SO was "caught" wearing
    one that you'd be take any incoming.
    
     The DEC Racing thing is a great idea. However, even at the most casual
    level, it's a lot of work. I'll vote in any volunteer and participate!
                                  :-)
    
        Chip
    

    
    	FWIW, 2 years ago I showed up to the distrct time trial wearing a
    Reebok T shirt, and the official told me that if I was not sponsered
    by them I'd have to turn the shirt inside out (or change it).  I think
    this only applies to licensed riders, and not CIT class.
    
    God knows why...
    
    Stew

    Well I suppose I'm wholly sponsored by DEC - they pay for my
    bicaholism....

    
    Chip,
    
    How do I order one of these jerseys?  Can you tell me anything about
    the design, material, price, etc.?
    
    
    
    Thanks,
    Steve

    The USCF gets a percentage of all sponsorship monies.  Thus, if you're
    not officially "sponsored" you can't wear the logos.
    
    ed

re -1

The new USCF rules for this year have two club types; sponsored and unsponsered.
Riders attached to unsponsored clubs may not have any names on their jerseys.
Riders attached to sponsored clubs can have anything they want on their jersey.
It used to be that the USCF took a 65$65 fee plus 10% for each sponsor on the
jersey. Now they chare $65 for unsponsored clubs and $130 for sponsored clubs.

Steve

     Re; .8 You can place your "promise to order" by sending A1 MAIL to
    Steadman.Bonnie@WMO.
    
     The jerseys are made by Schnaubelt (decent company). It will be blue
    and white with the DEC logo on the front and sleeves. It is short
    sleeve and zippered 1/3 (I don't personnally like this). I have one
    from the first effort and you won't be disappointed. They will run
    around the $45.00 range and can be ordered using VISA. However, she's
    just looking for a "headcount" at the moment...
    
     There is another NOTE in here somewhere that goes into much more
    detail.
    
      Hope this helps.... Chip

Personally, I dislike full length zips on jersies - they may be good for
skinsuits however.........

I have one from the original order and one from last year's, they are fine -
again I personally don't like them too tight so I would take XL for 100-104 cm.
My colleagues down here will probably tell you I'm the only person to wear a
wool vest under a jersey in the South of France!!

I wonder about the material, it's great for washing and it seems to 'wick out'
the sweat, but was I imagining that I got sunburnt through it???  Anyone else
had that experience or am I just halucinating?

(Rotten rain and cold again today, I'll be sewing my coms back on if this
continues....)

     Actually, I like the 3/4 length zippers for a jersey and full's for
    skinsuits...
    
     Chip

    Now I know - I looked back at some old mags and found a picture of G___
    L____d going up hill.  He was unzipped to the navel while Bugno,
    Indurain and Co looked their normal immaculate selves....  I may be old
    fashioned but I can't see that makes a lot of difference except for
    getting in and out of them - if the jersey needs unzipping to be able
    to breathe, it means one of two things: you are either too fat or the
    jersey is too small...    ;>)

I'm here. 

The digital jersey "Classic" was made with a round 
about "OK" from corporate. Make sure it was done 
according to policy was the answer.

One of the policy rules to the logo, you can not 
separate, devide, break apart, fold, bend or mutilate
it in any way. That is no seam or separation through 
it. That is the reason for no zipper extending into 
the logo area.



I'm glad someone else is doing this now. 

"House poor Tom"

    You mean that I was committing a crime when I jumped up and down on it
    after L'Epervier.... A bit like setting fire to Old Glory I suppose...
    
    In future I shall just jump up and down on my wheels....

    Does anyone know if I can still order a DEC jersey and, if so, how?
    
    
    elliott

     The  answer is in the note(s)

I received my "Digital" jersey today. It's really nicely made, very good
quality, and I look forward to wearing it when the weather's warm enough.
Thanks to Bonnie and Chip for doing the admin, and if there's a shorts
offer, include me in.


Rod

     Funny you mention shorts... Bonnie and I were talking about it 
    last week!
    
     I really like the color better than my first one...
    
         Chip

    I hope the jersey's long enough to cover things till you find some
    shorts...
    
    ed

     I find that riding sans shorts removes the need for expensive wicking
    material and greatly reduces saddle sores...
    
       Chip

    	Chip,
    
    	This is kinda funny and timely, since the latest VeloNews has
    	an ad showing a nekkid cyclist riding down the road. Something
    	to do with bike clothing.
    
    	Oh, yeah, he did have his helmet and shoes on.
    
    	Scott

     All seriousness aside... If the noter gang wants me to start working
    on Bonnie for some "short action" please vote hear. I'd be more than
    happy to initiate a conversation with her.
    
       Chip

    Ok, I'll stop being serious and say, Yes, I'd buy a pair of DEC shorts.
    
    ed

    
    I'd like a pair.
    
    doug
    

    How about kicking around some design ideas? I'd like your basic black
    lycra, with the DEC blue logo (DIGITAL in white letters) going up
    and down along the thigh. A decent chamois (sp) padding would be
    nice.
    
    John

 G'day "Chip", & others,

                        I'm Craig, and work for NaC (Networks & Communications)
 in North-Eastern Australia. (Mail Stop OZY).

       I am interested in a jersy & cycling shorts too, and would like to know 
 if , and how I can order them !

       (I realise that this note is 3 months old already)

        Are international money orders accepted ??

 Thanks 


 If you have access to email, please try me at 


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   the "oils" machine is name after the Australian band "Midnight Oil".. I 
assume you've heard of them ??

    Looks like there's a healthy interest brewing for the shorts. I'm
    pretty sure we'll have to stick with the same "styling", colors and
    format that the jerseys are in (Co. trademark/identity and all that).
    I'd rather have a matching set anyway. I'm afraid to even put a request
    out for suggestions because if 50 people submit, I'll probably end up
    with 50 different "opinions". So please, forgive me.
    
    Re; .28 The shorts are a only "dream" right now. There are a few
        jerseys left (I don't know how many or what sizes - Bonnie ordered
        extra). International orders were taken/filled and will continue to
        be accepted.
    
     Bonnie Steadman can be reached at Westminster, Ma (U.S.A.) DTN:
    241-3385 or VAXMail node WMOIS::STEADMAN
    
       REMEMBER - ONLY JERSEYS ARE AVAILABLE!
    
     If anyone has a problem contacting her please let me know. I'm in this
     NOTE daily (I know, that's a news flash)
    
       Chip 

I like the shorts idea, in particular the style suggested by .27, but I suppose
that they don't have to be your basic black base, with printed side pannels.

re .23
I didn't see the ad, but I would guess it was Assos.  They ran an ad in Bicycling
a couple of years ago that on one page showed the back of an attractive woman
looking over her shoulder saying "If I can't where my Assos..."  When you turned
the page you saw the same woman wearing nothing but a helmet and shoes saying
"I'll where nothing at all."  Bicycling got quiet a bit of response in the
letters section from that ad.

Rich

First thoughts were that I'd like matching colours, then I looked at the 3
jersies I have and realised they all have various degrees of fade (Blue is the
worst for this anyway).  Maybe the bext is Henry Ford with a broad blue vertical
band and Digital logo.

I prefer not to have elastic on the legs, I find it constricting (no jokes about
short, fat, hairy legs , please) - it doesn't keep them up, more the opposite,
and if that's the problem I am old-fashioned enough to use braces.  The only
other essential is a high back to them.

I must add that the finishing quality of the jersies is very high, most of the
European manufacturers are pretty poor at finishing seams etc.  Well done,
Bonnie........

    It's not really important I know.  But in France at least one is not
    allowed to comete in anything other than black shorts, the only
    allowance being for club name or sponsor (at which point there's a kick
    back for federation).  
    
    Of course if one is competeing one should only be wearing club
    jersey's and shorts, or if clubless (like myself right now), in plain
    jersey and shorts.
    
    Having said all that if a lot of shorts were made I'd buy one.  Don't
    really care about the type (based on Chip's comment about not wanting
    n-million types). I'll trust the esteemed bodies who might organise
    this to make sensible decisions.  If they are useless on the bike
    they'd still be OK for posing down the gym :-)

    Whilst picking up jerseys from Bonnie I mentioned the vertical Digital
    logo on a side panel, but Bonnie informed me that corporate say-so's
    declare that the Digital Logo has to be h-o-r-i-z-o-n-t-a-l!

     It would be horizontal half the time  -  on shorts...
    
    
         Chip

    
    Hmmm... if the logo runs "down" the pant-leg, won't it in fact
    be semi-horizontal in riding position?  And in fact almost exactly
    horizontal on the upstroke?
    
    -john

    It's a violation of federal trademark laws to display a trademark
    (logo) in any form other than how it was designed.  This includes
    making it vertical.  Obviously the trademark lawyers weren't cyclists,
    since they're only thinking of how the DIGITAL logo looks when you're
    off the bike!
    
    Of course this means that you're breaking the law everytime you get on
    your bike in the Digital shorts, except at the bottom of the stroke!
    
    Jan
    

So we are lead to believe that ALL the existing trade-marks which run down the
leg were designed to be used in that position.  I find that hard to believe -
I think this is yet another example of "jobsworthiness".  I suggest we just send
some pictures of well-known trade names in action - IMHO, Digital is getting
really stuffy nowadays, it'll want to change its name to IBM next......

     Whoooaaaaa big fella(s). The shorts will be absolutely no problem.
    This all started in jest.
    
     Just thought I'd step in before any bloodshed was spent. Hope everyone
    feels better and has a wonderful day...
    
       Chip (okay, I was only kidding about the wonderful day thing...)

Just write the "DIGITAL" horizontal across the back.  :>

I guess the letters might wear off a little faster than if you wrote them down
the leg. ;-)

And to combine two notes - to increase the wear the letters should be pure Ti!!
That would make them the "best" metal shorts! :}

Now back to your normal programming.

Peter

    Apropos nothing...
    
    Seeing it's "THE JEUX OLYMPIQUE D'ALBERTVILLE" (the French Press' caps
    - not mine) at the moment, everywhere is full of it.  Last week's
    Equipe Magazine had an item on Golden-boy Eric Heiden, giving some
    details of his 5 skating titles and his performances in bike-racing. 
    There was a line where he was said to be 1,88 tall, weighing 85 kg and
    with thighs of 68 cm!!.....
    
    I wonder if the DEC shorts need to come in several sizes - L, XL, XXL
    and "Eric Heiden"....
    
    PS I measured my own fat legs which look like bursting my shorts - I
    need Continental 5 - and came out at 54 cm.  A sobering discovery...

Yes, I saw a picture of him on skates.  I know women with waists 5 inches 
smaller than his thighs...

Eric_who_wished_he_had_more_than_Heiden's_given_name

    I have a pair of sweat pants with the Digital Blue letters vertical.
    
    Chip count me in on the shorts.
    
    Thanks,
    
    Linda
    

    For those interested you can make your own custom jerseys
    using transfer toner from Blacklighting Inc.  Their phone
    is 1-800-252-2599 or 1-802-436-3257.
    
    I have used it to make club jerseys using an LP-S cartridge
    for our LN05 printer.
    
    It should be easy to generate a digital logo and press it 
    on a white jersey.
    
    If you would like more information my MAIL is JULIET::BARNES_DA
    
    Dave

    I strongly recommend that people NOT make their own jerseys with the
    Digital logo on them.  

    
    	FYI, I saw a flyer on the board in MLO5-4, between the cafe
    	and TME.  It was advertising bike jerseys and other DEC logo 
    	stuff.  The bike shirts were $45.

    Could you please put the details on the file?  I rarely get to the
    Mill.

    	I get to the mill a couple times a week.  I'll post all the 
    	details next time I go unless someone in the mill beats me to
    	it.
    
    	/mjf
    

    
    	Well it's Bonnie's name that appears on the board in MLO.
    
    	It says to contact: 
    	Bonnie Steadman
    	241-3385
    	
    	Order number is 11.01 the cost is $45.